Chartered Engineer Salary

mikeltuam2010 · 29-11-2013 5:36pm #1

Ok,

I have very recently been chartered and have heard through the grapevine that the powers that be are intending to give a pay rise to those that have become chartered. Been advised to check out what other engineers with similar experience are earning.

Started in 2007 on 30k
Reduced to 27k in 2008/2009
Working now almost 7 years and have just become chartered (Consultancy - Roads Department).

Any advise on current salaries?

godtabh · 29-11-2013 10:37pm

I would think any bump in salary would be small. Maybe back up to €30k

mikeltuam2010 · 30-11-2013 1:01pm

I would totally agree, I was just asked to look into it by my manager as we are unsure what the current industry standard is. Thanks Godtabh

30-11-2013 1:27pm

Check out the salary survey Engineers Ireland did last year (released the start of this year). Should give you some benchmarks.

godtabh · 30-11-2013 9:06pm

Dónal wrote: »

Check out the salary survey Engineers Ireland did last year (released the start of this year). Should give you some benchmarks.

DId they do another survey? Must check it out

VonLuck · 03-12-2013 12:27am

godtabh wrote: »

I would think any bump in salary would be small. Maybe back up to €30k

Is it that bad out there? I may be on the job hunt in the new year but seeing that a chartered engineer with 6 years experience should only expect €30k is very disheartening.

godtabh · 03-12-2013 10:55am

Depends. If you are staying with your current employer any increase will be minimum.

If you are changing jobs and there is demand it could be a lot higher

mikeltuam2010 · 03-12-2013 2:18pm

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

godtabh · 03-12-2013 5:30pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

Do you have a link to the survey?

mikeltuam2010 · 03-12-2013 6:27pm

Only available to download from IEI if you are a member, you need to sign in with username and password then it shows up under your profile as a link to salary survey 2012. If not a member PM me your email and I will email you a copy

godtabh · 03-12-2013 6:52pm

I am a member but havent a clue where my card is!

smcgiff · 03-12-2013 6:55pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

Is this years post becoming chartered or just 7 years and chartered?

mikeltuam2010 · 03-12-2013 7:19pm

junior engineer with 7 years experience and chartered

VonLuck · 03-12-2013 7:45pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that salary based on all engineering sectors? It would be hard to use that as a guideline for a civil engineer's salary if it is also encompassing, for instance, a chemical engineers average salary as well.

mikeltuam2010 · 03-12-2013 8:08pm

Good point, but the report does state, section 3.3 "So far as it was possible to ascertain, there did not appear to be any major differences in membership status between engineering disciplines" and "Regardless of sector, in almost every case the median salaries of Chartered Engineers compare favourably to members with the same amount of experience.".

The median for private sector is €38,000 which corresponds to other tables.

godtabh · 04-12-2013 10:29am

VonLuck wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that salary based on all engineering sectors? It would be hard to use that as a guideline for a civil engineer's salary if it is also encompassing, for instance, a chemical engineers average salary as well.

After reading it it is generalised. I would be hard to infer a salary based on the survey. You would need an industry specific survey

godtabh · 04-12-2013 10:29am

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Only available to download from IEI if you are a member, you need to sign in with username and password then it shows up under your profile as a link to salary survey 2012. If not a member PM me your email and I will email you a copy

Thanks for the email

Worriedmind · 04-12-2013 9:47pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Good point, but the report does state, section 3.3 "So far as it was possible to ascertain, there did not appear to be any major differences in membership status between engineering disciplines" and "Regardless of sector, in almost every case the median salaries of Chartered Engineers compare favourably to members with the same amount of experience.".

The median for private sector is €38,000 which corresponds to other tables.

Do people feel that €38K is a fair salary for Chartered Engineers? Personally I think the job is too stressful and we take on too much responsibility for €38K! Chartered Structural Engineer here

tommyboru · 18-12-2013 8:55pm

I am Chartered and have been working for 15 years although I have exited technical work since the recession began.

I currently earn about 40,000 euro a year from a couple of different sources.

I could probably earn another 20% on top of that if I resumed technical work but, as suggested, the stress, time commitment and family sacrifice are too high.

The 'Chinese effect' and mass migration is devastating the career prospects of engineers in Ireland. We just cannot compete with the Eastern work ethic and the continental European reputation for quality. You are better off pursuing business as a career. The Irish have a natural talent for people skills.

That said, a good engineering degree is a great asset in any business career. Top that up with a business or accounting qualification and you should get your career remuneration to that level which chartered engineers once earned in the past...

impr0v · 18-12-2013 10:14pm

Worriedmind wrote: »

Do people feel that €38K is a fair salary for Chartered Engineers?

No - it seriously undervalues the qualification and the profession.

Michael D Not Higgins · 19-12-2013 10:55am

The other thing the report states is that a chartered engineer with 6-10 years experience can earn up to €5k more than a non-chartered engineer with similar experience. I'd ask for the full €5k considering your salary is well below the norm for someone of your experience.

con1982 · 21-12-2013 11:02am

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

Low to mid 30's seems to be common for chartered civil&structural engineers with 7-12yrs experience working in the private sector. It does undervalue the profession, but we have just come through what was possibly the most difficult period for construction in Ireland. Things are improving salary wise . . . .

breadmonkey · 07-01-2014 9:48am

con1982 wrote: »

Low to mid 30's seems to be common for chartered civil&structural engineers with 7-12yrs experience working in the private sector. It does undervalue the profession, but we have just come through what was possibly the most difficult period for construction in Ireland. Things are improving salary wise . . . .

That is an absolute joke. I'm working in the UK and on €37.5k with two years experience. Looks like I'll never be able to come home!

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-01-2014 10:02am

con1982 wrote: »

Low to mid 30's seems to be common for chartered civil&structural engineers with 7-12yrs experience working in the private sector. It does undervalue the profession, but we have just come through what was possibly the most difficult period for construction in Ireland. Things are improving salary wise . . . .

According to whom? Certainly not Engineers Ireland, if their survey is anything to go by.

BlackEdelweiss · 07-01-2014 10:45am

I got a job in New Zealand straight out of college, no experience. 36.5K, got a raise 6 months later to 39.5K Euros. If rent wasent so expensive here I would be laughing.

breadmonkey · 07-01-2014 2:26pm

BlackEdelweiss wrote: »

I got a job in New Zealand straight out of college, no experience. 36.5K, got a raise 6 months later to 39.5K Euros. If rent wasent so expensive here I would be laughing.

How much is your rent? I would not have expected anywhere in NZ to be more expensive than Dublin!

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-01-2014 2:36pm

breadmonkey wrote: »

How much is your rent? I would not have expected anywhere in NZ to be more expensive than Dublin!

Just checking there, a two bed starts at around €950/month in the centre of Auckland. I'd say it's around the same as Dublin. Don't know how the bills stack up though.

pipster · 07-01-2014 2:40pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Thanks all, checked out the IEI Salary Survey and apparently with 7 years experience and Chartered, the minimum on the survey is......€38,000.... €9,000 more than I am currently on.

It does depend on your sector and the salary survey can only be used as a guide. I am a chartered chemical engineer with 7 years experience. I didn't get a raise when I became chartered as my company don't do that but I have steadily increased through the years. I work for a consultants which is different private sector but in my opinion 7 years on 30K is way to low. You should have gotten increases for inflation alone.

godtabh · 07-01-2014 2:53pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

According to whom? Certainly not Engineers Ireland, if their survey is anything to go by.

It seems very low.

Darren1o1 · 07-01-2014 4:00pm

I am in the US in the mechanical field, with similar (7 years) experience and even with the current horrible conversion rates would be looking at double the salary expected back in Ireland, with a much lower cost of living.

breadmonkey · 07-01-2014 4:52pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Just checking there, a two bed starts at around €950/month in the centre of Auckland. I'd say it's around the same as Dublin. Don't know how the bills stack up though.

Surely that's lower than Dublin? Anybody?

melekalikimaka · 07-01-2014 4:55pm

breadmonkey wrote: »

Surely that's lower than Dublin? Anybody?

its lower, by a good bit for the city center. lucky to get a two bed under 1400 in city center thats not a squat

godtabh · 07-01-2014 5:02pm

Darren1o1 wrote: »

I am in the US in the mechanical field, with similar (7 years) experience and even with the current horrible conversion rates would be looking at double the salary expected back in Ireland, with a much lower cost of living.

When I left college I waw offered a job starting at $46k. Couldnt get a visa in the end so had to turn it down for a job for €26k

Michael D Not Higgins · 07-01-2014 5:09pm

breadmonkey wrote: »

Surely that's lower than Dublin? Anybody?

That's what they start at. The average I saw was a few hundred more so I said it looked similar to Dublin.

Darren1o1 · 07-01-2014 7:16pm

godtabh wrote: »

When I left college I waw offered a job starting at $46k. Couldnt get a visa in the end so had to turn it down for a job for €26k

And its likely $46K was at the low end. I was offer $50K+ coming out of school with a bachelors and little experience and this was rural. I am just surprised at the large difference. Now with a Masters I get calls/emails from recruiters 2-3 times a week. I suppose it is all market driven.

BlackEdelweiss · 07-01-2014 8:31pm

My rent is almost $1600 a month. My mortgage back home was E800 a month but that was in Donegal. Lots of work for fire engineers down here, experienced engineers would probably start on $90, 000 to $100, 000. Pm me if anybody is interested.

VonLuck · 08-01-2014 9:41pm

breadmonkey wrote: »

That is an absolute joke. I'm working in the UK and on €37.5k with two years experience. Looks like I'll never be able to come home!

Where abouts in the UK are you based? I know a few people on similar salaries in London, but the cost of living is quite high so it tends to be on par with what is being offered in Ireland.

breadmonkey · 09-01-2014 10:11am

VonLuck wrote: »

Where abouts in the UK are you based? I know a few people on similar salaries in London, but the cost of living is quite high so it tends to be on par with what is being offered in Ireland.

Yes I'm based in London as well. I would agree cost of living is higher than Dublin but not massively. Still, I was comparing my salary (2 years experience) with that quoted for a chartered engineer with 10 years!.

Michael D Not Higgins · 09-01-2014 10:34am

The other thing to take into account is take home pay. I'm in the UK on 2k less than I was on in Ireland but I get roughly the same take home pay.

Edit: and that's after I pay into the pension.

grateface · 13-01-2014 11:34pm

mikeltuam2010 wrote: »

Ok,

I have very recently been chartered and have heard through the grapevine that the powers that be are intending to give a pay rise to those that have become chartered. Been advised to check out what other engineers with similar experience are earning.

Started in 2007 on 30k
Reduced to 27k in 2008/2009
Working now almost 7 years and have just become chartered (Consultancy - Roads Department).

Any advise on current salaries?

That is actually disgraceful. I didn't realise there was such a gap between different engineering disciplines.

I'm a process engineer in Leixlip with a masters and just hitting two years in the job.
Started 2012 at 33K
and at the end of 2013 gross pay was 37.9K including bonuses.
Will rise again this year by another bit.

Hopefully your managment start treating their staff better imho.

godtabh · 14-01-2014 3:52pm

grateface wrote: »

That is actually disgraceful. I didn't realise there was such a gap between different engineering disciplines.

I'm a process engineer in Leixlip with a masters and just hitting two years in the job.
Started 2012 at 33K
and at the end of 2013 gross pay was 37.9K including bonuses.
Will rise again this year by another bit.

Hopefully your managment start treating their staff better imho.

I wonder who you work for?

Any ways civil traditional engineering companies are struggling. This is reflected in take home pay, regardless of grade

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