Iona vs Panti

Bannasidhe · 24-02-2014 7:04pm

lazygal wrote: »

If only you'd tried being pure in heart.

Does trying to get my cholesterol levels down count?

aloyisious · 03-03-2014 1:47am

Ta Iona for helping make Panti's day..

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/panti-bliss-poses-with-nyc-mayor-bill-de-blasio-in-citys-st-pats-for-all-parade-30055411.html

recedite · 06-03-2014 9:02pm

Stephen Donnelly TD has introduced an "anti-pantigate legislation" proposal (a bill) to the Dail.
Being an independent he cannot push it through, but just at the end of the video clip, Enda Kenny says he won't oppose it. I'm not sure whether that means FG will actually vote for it though, maybe it will be a "free vote" with the individual FG TD's allowed to make their own choice.

Hotblack Desiato · 06-03-2014 9:33pm

If that's the one about taking the word 'offence' out of the Broadcasting Act, Pat Rabbite has already stated his intention to do this, so it would be a bit arsey to shoot down a private member's motion to do exactly the same thing.

recedite · 06-03-2014 9:56pm

Yes, taking out that one word is all he is proposing.
Politicians are always full of good "intentions". Which proposals they actually vote for (or against) is what counts.

marienbad · 21-03-2014 2:42am

What's the story these days with Breda O'Brien John Waters et al None of them seems to had their regulars columns in the IT for the past few weeks , Have they all gone to ground or where are they writing ( and feeling sorry for themselves) these days ?

I miss my weekly throw my book at the computer moment

And so far in the US we have the death of one ****er , then other ****er lost his court case and now these ****ers over here aren't even writing any more ! I know we are going to win but does it really have to be this easy ?

Zubeneschamali · 21-03-2014 2:48am

marienbad wrote: »

does it really have to be this easy ?

Ah, the old false sense of security..

That's when he strikes!

It's..

The BISHOP

Hotblack Desiato · 21-03-2014 8:47am

BOB is writing her usual weekly drivel

Waters apparently threatened to sue the IT over an Una Mullaly article about homophobes, which for some strange reason he felt might have been aimed at him

if you're a freelance journalist 'commentator' then threatening your commissioning editor with a trip to the Four Courts isn't a great move really.

lazygal · 21-03-2014 8:59am

Breda was on Prime Time pretending to care about children born through commercial surrogacy this week. Her breathless concern is pathetic given that she believes in forced pregnancy and adoption as a solution for women and children with unwanted pregnancies. Stay classy Breda.

Corkfeen · 21-03-2014 9:59am

Waters was on the late debate on RTE radio a few nights back I believe.

Penn · 21-03-2014 10:01am

lazygal wrote: »

Breda was on Prime Time pretending to care about children born through commercial surrogacy this week. Her breathless concern is pathetic given that she believes in forced pregnancy and adoption as a solution for women and children with unwanted pregnancies. Stay classy Breda.

The same old "Children have a right to be raised by their biological parents --- Women shouldn't have abortions, they should give the child up for adoption --- Same-sex couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt --- Children have a right to be raised by their biological parents... etc" circular self-defeating logic she deals in.

PopePalpatine · 21-03-2014 3:11pm

The David Quinn Bile Factory is also still in operation.

Galvasean · 22-03-2014 12:03pm

Maybe if we ignore them they'll fade away - like a twisted version of Yoda.

marienbad · 22-03-2014 2:18pm

ninja900 wrote: »

BOB is writing her usual weekly drivel

Waters apparently threatened to sue the IT over an Una Mullaly article about homophobes, which for some strange reason he felt might have been aimed at him if you're a freelance journalist 'commentator' then threatening your commissioning editor with a trip to the Four Courts isn't a great move really.

She seems to be lying low with the IT, I haven't seen her column since her whinging justification one right after the story broke ,Nothing there since.

lazygal · 22-03-2014 3:49pm

She's pretending to care about children born via surrogacy in the IT today. It's the usual mix of selective quotes from studies she hasn't actually read and failure to show any compassion for those who aren't Just Like Her.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-03-2014 6:20pm

marienbad wrote: »

She seems to be lying low with the IT, I haven't seen her column since her whinging justification one right after the story broke ,Nothing there since.

Fill yer boots: http://www.irishtimes.com/search/breda-o-brien-7.2276464 I don't think she's missed a single week since all this started.

She's in the dead tree paper today too but there's often a delay in putting some articles online.

aloyisious · 29-03-2014 3:44pm

Just copped this on a friend's facebook page:

http://www.thejournal.ie/john-waters-irish-times-1385751-Mar2014/?utm_source=facebook_short

lazygal · 31-03-2014 7:15am

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/surrogacy-and-gestational-carriers-1.1743464

Breda gets called out again.

iwantmydinner · 31-03-2014 11:35am

Silly factses getting in the way of a good rant.

It's a very well-written letter. I know he has a vested commercial interest in defending surrogacy arrangements, but he presented the case well.

lazygal · 31-03-2014 11:39am

I especially liked the exploitation points. I'm not comfortable with surrogacy but I also need to learn a bit more about it.

iwantmydinner · 31-03-2014 11:45am

lazygal wrote: »

I especially liked the exploitation points. I'm not comfortable with surrogacy but I also need to learn a bit more about it.

The ethics involved formed part of one of my college modules. I'm fairly neutral on it; it is an excellent option for some families/situations whereas I'd be against it as an option in other scenarios.

lazygal · 31-03-2014 12:13pm

I'm a lot more uncomfortable with some evangelical Christian adoption agencies and how they operate as a solution for unwanted pregnancies, which I'm sure Breda would favour over abortion. I should learn more about surrogacy.

Cabaal · 16-04-2014 11:48am

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/04/16/eat-the-speech/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-y9ZqiY90

A video compiled by Newswhip the people-powered news people on how Pantigate – a story intiailly ignored by mainstream media – evolved with YOUR help.

Paul from Newswhip sez:

“We wanted to show how social media and more unofficial online news outlets can drive news agendas…”

Meanwhile…

…holding a minority view does not automatically confer martyr status on an individual. It just means their opinions are unpopular.This phenomenon was evident during the Pantigate controversy when some commentators, railing against the online backlash, seemed to suggest that central to the concept of free speech was the right to express an opinion without that opinion being challenged or derided.No such right exists.
…If there is a threat to freedom of speech in this country, it is not coming from social media, but from people who prefer to make accusations of bullying instead of defending their opinions from legitimate criticism.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make it bullying – it’s free speech (Colette Browne, Irish Independent)

unfortunately · 19-04-2014 3:25am

Just say this today:

http://xkcd.com/1357/

Refutes Iona's argument nicely. Someone calling you homophobic for saying something homophobic isn't reducing your free speech. Nobody is calling for Iona to be arrested for what they said. In stark contrast to this, it is Iona and Waters that are trying to use legal force to reduce free speech.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-04-2014 9:25am

As usual with XKCD there's an interesting mouse-over comment as well.

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.

aloyisious · 20-04-2014 12:32pm

John Water's think's the Irish Times treat's him like Osama Bin Laden and it's Religious Affairs correspondent has it in for him. Now I've heard it all, Osama Bin Laden??? http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-not-osama-bin-laden-waters-30201367.html

MrPudding · 20-04-2014 12:36pm

aloyisious wrote: »

John Water's think's the Irish Times think's he's Osama Bin Laden and it's Religious Affairs correspondent has it in for him. Now I've heard of resurrection efforts, but.... Osama Bin Laden??? http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/im-not-osama-bin-laden-waters-30201367.html

Is he actually a bit mental, do you think?

MrP

FouxDaFaFa · 20-04-2014 12:47pm

He pisses me off so much, casually dismissing claims that being gay (in a society that doesn't fully accept you) makes people more prone to suicide, as if he's an authority.

Also his claims that he has no platform to air his views and that he's being silenced, from an interview in a national paper for the second week in a row.

"Let me describe to you the process when I go in. I can go in to any street in Ireland and people will say, 'that's John Waters from The Irish Times'. When I go into The Irish Times, people don't even recognise me. They start issuing me with a badge and I have to fill out a form and then they have to ring somebody from upstairs to come down and claim me. And escort me into the building.
"I am there 24 years and you would think that that would be kind of . . . you know, I am not Osama bin Laden," he said.
"It's bull****, that's what it is. Obama's gym doesn't have as much security as The Irish Times. It's bull****," he said.

This is bizarre.

When asked if this meant a financial gesture, he replied: "I haven't asked anyone for financial gestures in my life. I don't even know what a financial gesture is. Raising a fiver in the air. Is that a financial gesture? If The Irish Times want to give me money, I won't refuse any money they will give me. But it's been pretty miserly with its money in the past so I don't think it's going to change this in the future. I would like some decency."

I mean, come on.

aloyisious · 20-04-2014 10:53pm

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

He pisses me off so much, casually dismissing claims that being gay (in a society that doesn't fully accept you) makes people more prone to suicide, as if he's an authority.

Also his claims that he has no platform to air his views and that he's being silenced, from an interview in a national paper for the second week in a row.

This is bizarre.

I mean, come on.

The quote "I don't even know what a financial gesture is" is laughable coming from him given that he stated in part one of the interview (last weekend) that if he'd taken RTE to court over the "homophobia" allegation he could have got over €1,000,000 in damages. One might conclude that, given that statement, he does not think much of the money he got from RTE.

aloyisious · 21-04-2014 12:17pm

PantiBliss nominated for Pride of Ireland awards. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/04/20/drag-queen-panti-bliss-nominated-for-pride-of-ireland-awards/

More important relative to JW's opinions on depression, a response from another journalist..... http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/my-rage-at-john-waters-dated-rhetoric-and-old-school-ignorance-265944.html

aloyisious · 24-04-2014 10:33am

John Waters and current affairs on RTE One radio (todayn with Sean O'Rourke) now giving his side of the Irish Times, RTE -Pantigate and his part in discussion of topical matters. Re the Irish Times, he left it after he was not given fair treatment about what other IT journalists were putting out in the media about him, that he believes there is a sinister side to what's going on - to drown out other points of view. I presume he mean's the Pro SSM group are those drowning out others points of view, that the IT is no longer a place where other points of view are permitted. Patsy McGarry was mentioned re a twitter account statement, and how he complained to the IT editorial-side about another IT journalist sniping at him anonymously, was told it would be seen to, then PMcG put it out about being rumbled by H2O. JW seem's to think that was the IT straw that broke his back. He referred on the radio show to an invertebrate, when the twitter-account piece discussion was ending.

Re the depression quote in the (london) Times, he say's that he was being pressed by the Times journalist on whether he was depressed himself and he made the remarks about Cop-out etc in a response to the questions (plural). He didn't say nor was he asked if his response was in reference to how he felt about his personal situation, and he wasn't asked if he would want to let the public know that was what he really meant, that he would fight his personal situation out and come out smiling.

robindch · 24-04-2014 12:56pm

aloyisious wrote: »

[...] he would fight his personal situation [...]

He really doth protest too much.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-05-2014 9:00pm

This is a cool story, two highly respected musicians.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-c1-gay-heavy-metal-20140508-story.html#page=1

Hotblack Desiato · 16-05-2014 12:30am

Perhaps naively I thought the metal scene had 'got over it' since Rob Halford came out.

Ash.J.Williams · 16-05-2014 7:46am

ninja900 wrote: »

Perhaps naively I thought the metal scene had 'got over it' since Rob Halford came out.

It appears it has... I found that story through another story in which a luthier (viks guitars) made homophobic comments on Facebook "now I know why I've always hated headless guitars" (Paul's trademark) ..and there was a large backlash.... Canceled endorsements etc

http://loudwire.com/periphery-cut-ties-vik-guitars-homophobic-remarks-against-cynic/

aloyisious · 20-05-2014 4:33pm

I would assume that it's correct to think the opposition are re-grouping for another anti-campaign. They haven't gone away. you know, though I'd like to know if the Life group located on Capel St are moving or dissolving, as their offices-building is for sale. The group loaded a lot of paperwork etc into removal vans two weeks ago, saw this while leaving The OutHouse.

Penn · 20-05-2014 7:25pm

aloyisious wrote: »

I would assume that it's correct to think the opposition are re-grouping for another anti-campaign. They haven't gone away. you know, though I'd like to know if the Life group located on Capel St are moving or dissolving, as their offices-building is for sale. The group loaded a lot of paperwork etc into removal vans two weeks ago, saw this while leaving The OutHouse.

I think they were moving to a new premises. In fairness, I'd say it was fairly cramped in that building having so many completely separate groups who all coincidentally had the exact same goals and purposes (and likely same sources of funding).

They kinda reminded me of how the people in the Westboro Baptist Church don't just hold one sign, they hold about 4 at a time. It's about making yourself seem bigger than you are. Same with all the different groups who were at that address. There were so few individuals that they formed more groups to make themselves seem bigger than they were.

PopePalpatine · 20-05-2014 8:08pm

aloyisious wrote: »

I would assume that it's correct to think the opposition are re-grouping for another anti-campaign. They haven't gone away. you know, though I'd like to know if the Life group located on Capel St are moving or dissolving, as their offices-building is for sale. The group loaded a lot of paperwork etc into removal vans two weeks ago, saw this while leaving The OutHouse.

I'd love to see the IFPA buy that place. :pac:

Iona vs Panti

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