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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,509 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg's approach (ban) to large sized sodas always struck me as fairly moronic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg's approach (ban) to large sized sodas always struck me as fairly moronic.

    Bloomberg is a Roosvelt Republican, therefore not even remotely left wing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    jank wrote: »
    One one hand she says that women and men are equal in all matters especially when raising a child (the sex of parents do not matter) given the debate on gay marriage on the other hand she will argue vehemently for women quotas in boardrooms and politics (I thought sex did not matter? :confused:).

    I agree with a lot of what you have to say about the creep of a repressive anti-offence culture, and I strongly oppose it too, but you lose a lot of credibility when you say something like the above. You can't honestly think the above paragraph is the result of rational thinking?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Zillah wrote: »
    I agree with a lot of what you have to say about the creep of a repressive anti-offence culture, and I strongly oppose it too, but you lose a lot of credibility when you say something like the above. You can't honestly think the above paragraph is the result of rational thinking?

    I am not sure I follow. The sex of a person matters in some instances yet in other instances it does matter. I am sure people can try to make a rational argument regarding that but its just blatant hypocrisy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    jank wrote: »
    I am not sure I follow. The sex of a person matters in some instances yet in other instances it does matter. I am sure people can try to make a rational argument regarding that but its just blatant hypocrisy.

    I don't think the dichotomy you are suggesting exists in the two instances you used to illustrate it tbh.

    Saying that men are equally capable of parenting has no conflict with saying we need more women in boardrooms, or if it does you haven't shown it very well imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    jank wrote: »
    I am not sure I follow. The sex of a person matters in some instances yet in other instances it does matter. I am sure people can try to make a rational argument regarding that but its just blatant hypocrisy.

    Her position is that gender doesn't matter and people should stop acting as if it does. So when there is a glass ceiling on women getting into board rooms she objects because someone is acting as if gender was a limit on capability. If someone condemns same-sex parenting she objects for the same reason.

    There is no appearance of hypocrisy if you understand the underlying principle.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,181 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    jank wrote: »
    The journalists who work there would think the same. "We are the best of the best!" Yet, when you read that tripe that Anthea McTiernam wrote one has to wonder if the emperor has no clothes. She is not the only one. Fintan O'Toole, Una Mullaly and of course how can we leave out John Waters yet he comes from the other side of the same coin.
    from what i've heard (especially in relation to john waters) a lot of the columnists in the times would not regard themselves as a 'we'. i don't know if you can impute any collectivist thinking on their merits.

    anyway, back to the topic at hand. many years ago, when i was in UCD, there was a move to ban nestle products from the SU shops on campus, in protest at their marketing of replacement breast milk products in third world countries. i voted against it; i reckon a boycott by those interested would have been more representative and justifiable than an outright ban.
    a lot of the above issues are driven by student politics rather than by student opinion per se, and student politics is a funny game at the best of times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    In a segment to make the FFRF guy look like a tool, the succeed completely. :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Greenpeace activists did some bad damage to a Peruvian historical site. All in the name of the Earth and environment, oh the ironings.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102266065

    To be fair, Greenpeace said it was shamed and sorry by the stunt.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Greenpeace activists did some bad damage to a Peruvian historical site. All in the name of the Earth and environment, oh the ironings.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102266065

    To be fair, Greenpeace said it was shamed and sorry by the stunt.

    I was going to post about this. Seriously how stupid do you have to be.
    "Lets unfurl a large sign over a historical site and tremble all over the place while we are at it, all in the name of environmentalism."

    Greenpeace have been known for this type of behaviour and its well known that they have been highjacked by extreme leftish elements.

    The Co-founder wrote an open letter to the Wall Street journal titled 'Why I left Greenpeace' which exposed a large anti-science element in many environmental organisations today.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120882720657033391


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    In a segment to make the FFRF guy look like a tool, the succeed completely. :D


    Shouldn't the FFRF be busy this time of year, fighting against Christmas Trees and the like. Bringing up Genocide at the end, good move bro!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Cultural Marxism alive and well in the world of the comic book.

    http://takimag.com/article/thor_losers_jim_goad/print#axzz3Mbfi90zE
    Last week was a trifecta for Cultural Marxism in the comic-book world. Archie Andrews was shot to death trying to protect a gay senator, Captain America became black, and the Mighty Thor had a sex change.
    What they’re doing goes far beyond mere “cultural appropriation.” This is cultural pillaging.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I struggle to get worked up about "cultural pillaging" when the culture concerned is Captain America and the Mighty Thor. Pillage away, comrades!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Essentially when people use the term 'Cultural Marxism' they are conjuring the image of a shadowy bunch of lefties who are hell bent on the destruction of western civilisation as it currently is. It's a continuation on the reds-under-the-bed paranoia of the Cold War era. Mass-murdering degenerate Anders Breivik spoke at considerable length about this Marxist conspiracy theory.

    Conspiracy theories forum thataway >>>>>>>>


  • Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    jank wrote: »
    Cultural Marxism alive and well in the world of the comic book.

    http://takimag.com/article/thor_losers_jim_goad/print#axzz3Mbfi90zE

    Thor in female form, bad.

    Thor in frog form, okay.

    1172218-pet_avengers__thor_frog_by_skottieyoung.jpg

    :rolleyes:

    And as for Captain America now being black, it's the fecking Falcon. One of Captain Americas oldest friends. It was hardly unexpected.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    The woman isnt really Thor, it is someone deemed worthy by mjommjmjmj (the hammer), batman was replaced by robin too but that was ok.

    The green lantern changed race ages ago, or are replacements for superheroes only allowed to be the same gender and race of the first?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Is this trying to become the caricature of GamerGate for comics? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ....a man took a bullet for a gay? O The Horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....a man took a bullet for a gay? O The Horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Batman took a bullet for superman, the liberal agenda is strong. Americans being sacrificed for gays and immigrants!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    Undoubtedly illegal immigrants at that......


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    And clearly this Superman person, a liberal do-gooder, has other agendas. if he's such a "good guy" why does he hide behind an alias, a secret identity, if you will? People don't do that unless they've got something to hide.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Links234 wrote: »
    And clearly this Superman person, a liberal do-gooder, has other agendas. if he's such a "good guy" why does he hide behind an alias, a secret identity, if you will? People don't do that unless they've got something to hide.

    He also wears glasses, no true self respecting, self made, right wing American would do that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Links234 wrote: »
    And clearly this Superman person....

    In the about takimag.com page it says:
    Ideology is a false god, a secular religion that seeks vainly to create a paradise on Earth. Our only ideology is to be against the junk culture foisted upon us and mirages of a new world order.

    This dude was complaining about what's happening to comic book characters and probably puts it down to 'ideology'. It's as if he believes that comic book characters themselves are natural, value free, constructs.

    Which would be bullshit.

    superman-vs-hitler.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Links234 wrote: »
    And clearly this Superman person, a liberal do-gooder, has other agendas. if he's such a "good guy" why does he hide behind an alias, a secret identity, if you will? People don't do that unless they've got something to hide.

    It seems to me that this Just-Us League is all about exclusion! What don't they want us to know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,690 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    In the about takimag.com page it says:



    This dude was complaining about what's happening to comic book characters and probably puts it down to 'ideology'. It's as if he believes that comic book characters themselves are natural, value free, constructs.

    Which would be bullshit . . .
    Hold on. Shouldn't this be in the "Half-baked Fruitcakes and Conserves" thread? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    It seems to me that this Just-Us League is all about exclusion! What don't they want us to know?

    That, my friend is:

    Question.png

    (I swear, if someone gets this, I will be overjoyed.)


  • Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Quatermain wrote: »
    That, my friend is:

    Question.png

    (I swear, if someone gets this, I will be overjoyed.)
    prepare to be overjoyed, I got it :P

    That, my friend is: the question
    ;)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    I understood that reference!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Hold on. Shouldn't this be in the "Half-baked Fruitcakes and Conserves" thread? ;)

    Because something something liberal agenda when artists use their creative freedom for something I don't approve of, rabble grr


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Links234 wrote: »
    Because something something liberal agenda when artists use their creative freedom for something I don't approve of, rabble grr

    I think the whole point is that artists don't have creative freedom and have to toe the line with publishers in this new world of equality and progressiveness.


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  • Moderators Posts: 51,859 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    jank wrote: »
    I think the whole point is that artists don't have creative freedom and have to toe the line with publishers in this new world of equality and progressiveness.
    The creative teams on Thor and Captain America proposed the plotlines.

    While they don't have complete freedom due to the characters being licensed properties, in this instance they had the freedom to go ahead with the story.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    You're reminding me of those gamergate numpties right now Jank ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Quatermain


    If you'd ever picked up a comic book, or looked at their history, you'd know that comic books have pretty much never, ever been an accurate social barometer. I mean, when you have covers like this:

    216_4_014.jpg

    This:

    97_4_0000058.jpg

    Or, indeed, this:

    863_4_08.jpg

    The whole notion of taking them in any way seriously starts to fade. They really, truly are pretty silly when you get down to it. Whatever about social mores and progressiveness, you're still considering the adventures of a huge man in little red pants who shoots lasers out of his face. Bonus points for Rex being equipped with an SMG for whatever reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    I think the whole point is that artists don't have creative freedom and have to toe the line with publishers in this new world of equality and progressiveness.


    Wheres the evidence of artists (and presumably writers) having to "toe the line" here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No barrier to entry in the internet age.

    I await the 'LIBERTARIANMAN' web comic :pac:

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,964 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Shock horror, comics are reacting to a demand for diversification.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    I await the 'LIBERTARIANMAN' web comic :pac:

    Travelling the Earth telling victims they should have taken out 'private' insurance against bad people, not rescuing people from drowning at the beach because they didn't pay to use it etc. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Well, Rex the Wonder Dog looks awesome anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Quatermain wrote: »
    That, my friend is:

    Question.png

    (I swear, if someone gets this, I will be overjoyed.)

    Yes, yes everybody knows that Ditko has a stupid and irrstional hard-on for Ayn Rand. Said obsession has ruined many an otherwise good and solid character.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    I think this deserves to be here.

    Socialist Workers Party take the recent Terrorist Attack in France.

    http://www.swp.ie/content/statement-terror-attack-france

    Spends more time giving out about NATO, the right, and Western imperialism than the nut jobs and their ideology that killed 17 innocent people.

    Then on Charlie Hedbo, well they published hateful racist material (was it hateful and racsit only when they mocked Islam, or was mocking Catholics and Jews was OK?).
    In this context, cartoons such as those published by Charlie Hedbo do nothing to advance the cause of freedom of speech. Rather, they amount to hate speech. Muslims are an oppressed and ostracized community in the Western world. They are an easy target for Western media. While we condemn these attacks they do not validate the racism of Charlie Hedbo’s Islamophobic cartoons. - See more at: http://www.swp.ie/content/statement-terror-attack-france#sthash.YU2njx4g.dpuf

    Guess they deserved it.

    Then of course of we have this gem from Facebook.(Stolen from the politics forum)

    https://www.facebook.com/SWPIreland
    The French killings are a tragedy. No journalist should be murdered. The Western ruling class bear some responsibility for this - as long as they are bombing thousands to death, maiming children and murdering civilians in the Middle East, as long as they continue to support the rotten Apartheid state of Israel, as long as they continue to scapegoat minorities to distract people from their greed - as long as all these outrages continue desperate people will commit acts of stupid cruelty in return. No victimisation of Muslims in response.

    Islamic nut jobs kill innocent people, blame the West, Capitalism and Israel...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Glenn Greenwald seems a little obsessed. As the saying goes never let an opportunity go to waste, especially if you can shoe horn your own pet issue in there as well for maximum publicity.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/09/glenn-greenwald-pro-israel-sentiment-in-the-u-s-is-at-least-as-bad-for-freedom-of-speech-as-islamist-terrorists-murdering-cartoonists/
    That [criticizing Israel] is a real taboo – a repressed idea – as powerful and absolute as any in the United States, so much so that Brooks won’t even acknowledge its existence. It’s certainly more of a taboo in the U.S. than criticizing Muslims and Islams, which is in mainstream circlesincluding the U.S. Congress – that one barely notices it any more. This underscores the key point: there are all sorts of ways ideas and viewpoints are suppressed in the west. When those demanding publication of these anti-Islam cartoons start demanding the affirmative publication ofthose ideas as well, I’ll believe the sincerity of their very selective application of free speech principles. One can defend free speech without having to publish, let alone embrace, the offensive ideas being targeted. But if that’s not the case, let’s have equal application of this new principle.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    jank wrote: »
    As the saying goes never let an opportunity go to waste, especially if you can shoe horn your own pet issue in there as well for maximum publicity.
    :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    robindch wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Great contribution.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    jank wrote: »
    Great contribution.
    Just trying to keep the thread standard where it is :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    robindch wrote: »
    Just trying to keep the thread forum standard where it is :)

    FYP ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    jank wrote: »
    Then on Charlie Hedbo, well they published hateful racist material (was it hateful and racsit only when they mocked Islam, or was mocking Catholics and Jews was OK?).

    Actually that's something that I've wondered about for a while. What is it with the lefts obsession about Islam? Especially when some of the primary tenets of Islam and how it is practiced in large parts of the world directly contradicts other core things that the left says it stands for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Actually that's something that I've wondered about for a while. What is it with the lefts obsession about Islam? Especially when some of the primary tenets of Islam and how it is practiced in large parts of the world directly contradicts other core things that the left says it stands for.

    First of all it is not an obsession of the left, it is an obsession of some people on the left, just like the obsession with funding Al-Qaeda and other such groups which ended on Sept. 11 2001 was not an obsession with the right as a whole but with those on the right who thought that giving money and guns to mad mullahs to defeat the USSR was a good idea (you can see how not an obsession of the right that was in Syria when politicians on all sides decided it was a good idea to flood the country with weapons after the Arab Spring, not caring who got them).

    Secondly, the left as a movement is very much anti inequality and the subjugation of women in the islamic world. Just because the left as a movement is in favour of allowing islam to do its on thing, provided that its own thing isn't harmful to others, doesn't mean it is for the evils of islam. Most of the "left being soft on the eevul muslims" is generated by the likes of Fox News and Der Sturmer's intellectual heir the Daily Mail (still hasn't repudiated its support for Nazism) whose only relation to news is that they blacken the meaning of that word by trying to associate their vile lying propoganda with it.

    And, finally, not too long ago (and even now, it is right-wing regimes in the west who prop up the likes of Saudi-Arabia or the UAE which are the worst anti-human rights regimes in the muslim world) the same accusation could have been thrown at the right, and probably with more justification, because the values of islam are the same as those within many branches of the right.

    But, in general, I have to ask what is the point of this thread? At least with the right-winger bashing thread there are substantial and scary issues being brought up. This thread seems to have been created simply because jank was pussing over the exposure his beloved beliefs were getting in that one. It would be nice to discuss the real and substantive issues the modern left has (for example how it is slavishly following the right into neo-fasicsm) but this thread is too infantile for serious debate.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    But, in general, I have to ask what is the point of this thread?
    The thread was opened by jank to balance what he/she perceives as a left-wing bias here in A+A by posting news about self-described left-wingers behaving as incoherently as the clowns in the fools' parade that is the right wing fruitcake thread. The dearth of any substantial developments in this area in the last six weeks, even from jank himself/herself beyond ranty opinion pieces in right-wing publications, does suggest, in the most public possible fashion, that this alleged "bias" is basically an illusion.

    Which is not to suggest that people who self-describe as "left-wing" or "liberal" can't be guilty of hypocrisy, as they most certainly can - to take one controversial example, consider the (small number of) self-described liberals or left-wingers who campaign for, or support, abortion but against prostitution, somewhat at variance with the general "liberal" belief that people should "control their own bodies". Same with the (again, small number of) left-wingers who support Putin and detest the USA, despite the reality of both countries. I think there's an interesting discussion right there on those two topics and this thread would be the place to have it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    ...
    It would be nice to discuss the real and substantive issues the modern left has (for example how it is slavishly following the right into neo-fasicsm)...
    Ya that's actually a good example of where 'the left' have fallen - by and large, the dominant portion of the left in most countries, has adapted the neoclassical synthesis view of economics shared by 'the right', which is mainly just a bastardization of Keyne's views, mixed with obsolete classical microeconomics.

    The classical-economics-leftovers in this synthesis, create a lot of flaws in this economic framework (which most modern dominant economic schools branch out of), which shift all of economic thinking based upon it, to the right.


    'The left' has largely been co-opted by these economic views, and these views seem to have become a central prerequisite for gaining any kind of serious political power - such that if you don't follow these views, if you deviate from them, you are 'unserious' and are unlikely to gain much political power.

    So, that also leads to the impression that 'the left' have become corrupted by power over the years, and are actively a part in trying to bolster these economic views, no matter how damaging they turn out to be - it's simply a requirement for having any kind of political power, and it's extremely effective at bolstering against any challenge to that set of political/economic views.

    This is partly why all political parties, everywhere, seem pretty much the same: They almost all base their economic views upon the same framework.
    This is also why 'There Is No Alternative' is a popular economic view in response to the crisis (despite ample alternatives being available), and why 'the left' appear to have failed to come up with any alternative: They haven't lost any power - much of the left, everywhere, are still in power - and they don't care, now it's a bi-partisan (left and right) effort towards protecting power and gaining more power, using economic policy as a weapon (otherwise, you'd see 'the left' taking a serious look at the available alternatives - this does not happen).


    There's a big difference between the principles people consider as 'left wing', and the actions of the parties that people consider left-wing; the parties in general, when it comes to economics, aren't really left-wing at all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Actually that's something that I've wondered about for a while. What is it with the lefts obsession about Islam? Especially when some of the primary tenets of Islam and how it is practiced in large parts of the world directly contradicts other core things that the left says it stands for.

    Muslims are seen in the West as a minority so the left deem that they should be protected at all costs, even when a minority of Muslims seek to harm western liberal principles that were hard won. Muslims are generally non-white and most of them stem from countries that are seen as traditional enemies of Israel and the United States, therefore we get the knee Jerk reaction like the SWP above and other leftist groups. Muslims are always seen as victims while the west are bullies. There is huge retrospective analysis and commentraty on how the west treats Muslims and so on, yet very little analsyis on what life is like in places like Iran where over 3,000 have been put to death for the crime of being gay. Didn't the president of Iran say that there are no gay people in Iran?

    The NYT and the Guardian are classic proponents of this hypocracsy. Case in point...

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/01/dean-baquet-addresses-nyts-republication-of-antisemitic-200788.html
    http://www.tpnn.com/2015/01/15/new-york-times-editor-depicting-muhammad-is-more-offensive-than-anti-semitic-or-anti-christian-cartoons/

    A clear double standard. Can't offend Muslims with a cartoon, but anti-Semitic images by a Holocaust denier is 'art'...
    Once the door is opened with images that offended the religious, you cannot then chose which groups you can and cannot offend.
    In the wake of the Paris terrorist attacks, both America’s paper of record (The New York Times) and its network of record (CNN) have declined to show Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad on the grounds that they might offend Muslims. The decision to forgo publication of these highly relevant news images has sparked a robust debate about free speech, religion and media ethics. One question that seems to have been glossed over is whether or not the media have any obligations to the preferences of a religious group, or any group of people, in the first place.

    As previously noted, the Times has a history of publishing artwork and cartoons that have offended both Jews and Christians. See its coverage of Chris Ofili’s “The Holy Virgin Mary” in 1999, which very much offended the Catholic League; an Iranian exhibition of “anti-Jewish art” in 2006; and an Iranian cartoonist’s “anti-Jewish caricatures” in 2010. So, at least up until Dean Baquet’s tenure as executive editor, which began last year, the Times’ policy against “gratuitous insult” did not preclude offensive religious images.

    Then of course we have had cases of crazy political correctness which has basically shut down almost all critical analysis of Muslim integration in the west, especially in Europe and the UK. It seemed that the fear of offending or being outed as a racist is punishment enough for most people to shut up and let wrong doings go unpunished, e.g. Rotherham


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