The Haka: What would AH suggest as the best response?

lbj666 · 07-10-2015 2:21pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I'm all for respecting it. What I don't like is that we aren't allowed two anthems when playing away but they can do the Haka home or away...

The actual anthems that we use are another discussion entirely.

Ya its a total different discussion , but its more a mutual lets not go there thing between the irfu and world rugby, irfu don't push it so as not to upset some of the nordies.

The play it in dublin , limerick or wherever in the 26 counties for obvious reasons

Day Lewin · 07-10-2015 2:39pm

This is my favourite version...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsLCxtV29BI

knocking the gilt off the gingerbread, eh?

TomBtheGoat · 07-10-2015 2:48pm

A power nap.

philstar · 07-10-2015 6:37pm

moon them.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRKhTvUUYMI

lawlolawl · 07-10-2015 7:13pm

I'd find it hard to not laugh in their faces.

"So, you are grown men performing a dance for me and my buddies before we play a game with each other like children?"

trashcan · 07-10-2015 8:20pm

Pink Lemons wrote: »

Edit: Just seen the video doesn't show the NZ part, here it is

Munster look like they're lining up to do the can-can in response there

Kiwi in IE · 07-10-2015 8:52pm

Fleawuss wrote: »

The Haka is the pre match ritual of the All Blacks, New Zealand's rugby union team. Essentially it's a Maori war dance to intimidate opponents. Teams tend to line up to face it and try to face it down. We have never beaten the All Blacks in an international. What's the best response to it apart from winning the match? Turn your back to show contempt for primitive rituals? For the hypocrisy of white New Zealanders adopting a cultural relic from the people they dispossessed? Not taking it seriously and giving them the finger? Bombard it with garryowens? Riverdance? What says AH?

Just use the time to mentally prepare for impending annihilation?

Kiwi in IE · 07-10-2015 9:19pm

If they find themselves facing the Haka, they may worry about responding to their exit from the world cup. Never mind the Haka!

kfallon · 07-10-2015 9:37pm

Just a poor man's Macarena tbh

Duckworth_Luas · 07-10-2015 9:51pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

If they find themselves facing the Haka, they may worry about responding to their exit from the world cup. Never mind the Haka!

Third place playoff?

daithi1970 · 07-10-2015 10:22pm

Richie Kavanagh.. that should sort the Kiwis out..

Paramite Pie · 07-10-2015 10:36pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

That's probably the best response, just laugh at the white guys of European extraction thinking they're Maori. It would be like a US national team coming onto the field and doing a native American Indian dance. Completely stupid and laughable.

Not if people of Maori descent support the tradition being continued by these white men. Which is worse, white men eroding or scoffing at the native customs or respectfully taking them on?

Cultures are meant to be shared.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 07-10-2015 10:41pm

I think Riverdance needs to be mentioned again.

Duckjob · 08-10-2015 7:13am

Do this dance back at them. Much scarier than the Haka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRAFKxbK9HA

Not that one · 08-10-2015 9:05am

I cant post video clips, but this needs Daniel O'Donnell singing "I want to dance with you" as a response.
That'll soften their cough for them.

DeadHand · 08-10-2015 10:16am

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

That's probably the best response, just laugh at the white guys of European extraction thinking they're Maori. It would be like a US national team coming onto the field and doing a native American Indian dance. Completely stupid and laughable.

Maybe half of the team are of Maori extraction. The Maori community in New Zealand are by and large proud of the All Backs, the large Maori representation among them and their honouring of Maori ritual. Like sport itself, the Haka is a unifying, inclusive thing. If you are a kiwi you get to perform no matter what shade you happen to be.

If the Maori are not offended, why should anyone else be? If they are proud and happy to see their culture honoured by their national team who are you to sneer?

osarusan · 08-10-2015 11:10am

DeadHand wrote: »

If they are proud and happy to see their culture honoured by their national team who are you to sneer?

He is Corvus Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius.

whiskeyman · 08-10-2015 11:13am

Shake And Vac ftw!

Jayop · 08-10-2015 3:28pm

I don't get why so many here are butthurt about the Haka. I think it's class and one of the things i look forward to seeing every time I watch NZ or any of the Islands play. The whole thing about the response too makes it even more interesting. Crying about "grown men dancing" or comparing it to WWF is stupid.

bucketybuck · 08-10-2015 3:41pm

Jayop wrote: »

I don't get why so many here are butthurt about the Haka.

IMO, the AB's are welcome to do the haka, though as a side issue I do think it has lost meaning by being overused, but thats a different matter.

What I completely disagree with is the fact that the other team are forced to stand and watch it. They should absolutely be allowed to go off and do a drill or a huddle or whatever they want while they are waiting, instead of having to act out a hard man glare because thats all they are allowed to do.

When the opposition get targeted because of "disrespecting" the haka it just shows how much bull**** it all is. Do your dance if you want, but it loses all meaning if you can t do it without making the other side stand and watch when they don't want to.

Sheeps · 08-10-2015 3:43pm

This is the appropriate response
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXZlr1wlaaQ#t=50

valoren · 08-10-2015 3:43pm

Evey team should stand in line facing them.
Heads, bowed and eyes closed.
In remembrance of a former capped player as chosen by the Captain.

They'll feel bad for interrupting another team's 'ritual' while they shout and jump around.

Jayop · 08-10-2015 3:45pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

IMO, the AB's are welcome to do the haka, though as a side issue I do think it has lost meaning by being overused, but thats a different matter.

What I completely disagree with is the fact that the other team are forced to stand and watch it. They should absolutely be allowed to go off and do a drill or a huddle or whatever they want while they are waiting, instead of having to act out a hard man glare because thats all they are allowed to do.

When the opposition get targeted because of "disrespecting" the haka it just shows how much bull**** it all is. Do your dance if you want, but it loses all meaning if you can t do it without making the other side stand and watch when they don't want to.

How forced are the teams into standing and watching it? Is it some rugby rule or are they just afraid the AB's will open a can of whoop ass on them if they were to go ahead and warm up?

IMO most teams that play against them enjoy the challenge of facing it down. I'm sure that it psyches up the opposition as much if not more than it does the AB's themselves.

If teams didn't want to face it then I'm sure by now a few teams that are playing against them would have just ignored it and carried on with their business. Australia and SA would have no fear of them so I don't really buy the "fear of targeting" or "allowed to" unless there is actually a rule.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-10-2015 3:46pm

valoren wrote: »

Evey team should stand in line facing them.
Heads, bowed and eyes closed.
In remembrance of a former capped player as chosen by the Captain.

They'll feel bad for interrupting another team's 'ritual' while they shout and jump around.

They wouldn't give a hoot.

KERSPLAT! · 08-10-2015 3:46pm

Jayop wrote: »

How forced are the teams into standing and watching it? Is it some rugby rule or are they just afraid the AB's will open a can of whoop ass on them if they were to go ahead and warm up?

IMO most teams that play against them enjoy the challenge of facing it down. I'm sure that it psyches up the opposition as much if not more than it does the AB's themselves.

If teams didn't want to face it then I'm sure by now a few teams that are playing against them would have just ignored it and carried on with their business. Australia and SA would have no fear of them so I don't really buy the "fear of targeting" or "allowed to" unless there is actually a rule.

Pretty sure the opposing team has to stand and face on the 10m line

ElChe32 · 08-10-2015 3:47pm

Anyone suggested this already?

Jayop · 08-10-2015 3:48pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Pretty sure the opposing team has to stand and face on the 10m line

By convention or by ruling?

KERSPLAT! · 08-10-2015 3:52pm

Jayop wrote: »

By convention or by ruling?

I'm not entirely sure tbh. Take what you want from this quote, admittedly from a wiki page

Following the final of the 2011 World Cup, the French national team was fined by the IRB for marching to within 10 meters of their All Black opponents during the performance of the haka. To many, this has been viewed as an insult from the IRB. Campbell Live host John Campbell voluntarily offered to pay off the fine by going around the public and asking them to donate.

jmayo · 08-10-2015 3:54pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Do what David Campese did at the 1991 World Cup. Ignored it and did his own warmup. NZ are like a bunch of children if anyone "disrespects" them.

I think on that occasion the whole team did it.
AFAIK they did that in New Zealand as well.

I know at one stage in New Zealand Campese warmed up down at the posts and the crowd went ballistic because he couldn't be bothered watching them dace about.

They spent most of the match trying to kill him ala Brian O'Driscoll.
Of course Campo had the last laugh when he helped beat them.

There was also rumour he sang ba ba black sheep back during one haka.

The Aussies really know how to wind up the kiwis.

I have to say they are poor winners as well.
Mccaws speech after the 2011 final was so disrespectful of the French team.

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Just laugh at them. A bunch of middle class, middle aged, white men doing a Maori War Dance. It is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.

Actually a fair chunk of them are Maori or Samoan actually.
If they were taken out of the team you would left with shag all.

Jayop · 08-10-2015 4:01pm

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure tbh. Take what you want from this quote, admittedly from a wiki page

This is from a few years ago, but it looks to me like the only actual rule is that they can't encroach a 10 meter zone from their own half way line while it's going on. That's to stop players coming up nose to nose with them and possibly starting a row, or another stand off like the Wales game when both teams refused to turn around.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/4120053/IRB-gets-tough-over-haka-confrontations

It looks like there's no rule, only a recommendation that teams should face the Haka and if a team wants to carry out their warm up during this period they can do so as long they stay well in their own half.

Yeah_Right · 08-10-2015 6:57pm

Jayop wrote: »

This is from a few years ago, but it looks to me like the only actual rule is that they can't encroach a 10 meter zone from their own half way line while it's going on. That's to stop players coming up nose to nose with them and possibly starting a row, or another stand off like the Wales game when both teams refused to turn around.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/4120053/IRB-gets-tough-over-haka-confrontations

It looks like there's no rule, only a recommendation that teams should face the Haka and if a team wants to carry out their warm up during this period they can do so as long they stay well in their own half.

This is true. The only rule is the opposing team can't advance past the 10m line. This is stop any potential fights like what nearly happened between Cockerill and Hewitt in 1998. Fights have happened in the past following the Haka in rugby league matches.

TBH the All Blacks couldn't give a sh1t what the opposition does. They do the Haka and then look to kick the crap out of the other team. If you are intimidated by it or need to come up with a response then you probably shouldn't be playing pro-rugby.

Hitchens · 08-10-2015 7:01pm

let this lad loose during the Haka, that'd learn 'em

bucketybuck · 08-10-2015 7:16pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

TBH the All Blacks couldn't give a sh1t what the opposition does.

Except that they will get very butthurt and try to injure you if they think you disrespected their dance.

Yeah_Right · 08-10-2015 7:54pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

Except that they will get very butthurt and try to injure you if they think you disrespected their dance.

What are you on about? Like when? They seriously don't care what the opposition does.

Why is it only British and Irish teams that go on about the Haka? Is it really that scary? Doesn't bother any other country.

martingriff · 08-10-2015 7:59pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Do one back like Munster did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVufrShzUBw

Except that was done from players from New Zealand and another team that do the Haka so thats why they did it. There was 4 I think. (should have watched video)

martingriff · 08-10-2015 8:08pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What are you on about? Like when? They seriously don't care what the opposition does.

Why is it only British and Irish teams that go on about the Haka? Is it really that scary? Doesn't bother any other country.

There are a some people here who draw a comparison to when the Lions played the AB O'Driscoll went up near the and plucked a piece of grass and threw let it fall down. A few minuted later we had the spear tackle on O'Driscoll that had him out injured. So it MUST had been because he disrespected the Haka they tried to injure him where he could not play anymore

Edit: There is no rule to standing up to the Haka just not get too close to them. Standing up and facing it is seen as you accept there challenge.

Kiwi in IE · 08-10-2015 9:12pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What are you on about? Like when? They seriously don't care what the opposition does.

Why is it only British and Irish teams that go on about the Haka? Is it really that scary? Doesn't bother any other country.

Moaning about the Haka appears to be directly related to the likelihood of embarrassing defeat. That's why the general public in AUS and RSA don't generally give a ****e about the Haka. Their teams are more equal opponents for AB's.

jojofizzio · 08-10-2015 9:20pm

Anyone know do their other international teams e.g soccer,cricket and netball do a Haka before their games?

imme · 08-10-2015 9:24pm

the Devils in Skirts from the Carry On Up The Khyber film where they flash the 'enemy' Indian natives which frightens the stuffing out of them and makes them stand down.
priceless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-3dqb1izAo

Duckworth_Luas · 08-10-2015 9:29pm

jojofizzio wrote: »

Anyone know do their other international teams e.g soccer,cricket and netball do a Haka before their games?

Be warned, these will make you cringe!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skv9UKOfSBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM5IG4G46Sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH7luVlezGs

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0xn7RWcwVw

Cienciano · 08-10-2015 10:55pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

What are you on about? Like when? They seriously don't care what the opposition does.

Why is it only British and Irish teams that go on about the Haka? Is it really that scary? Doesn't bother any other country.

Well, they had a strop when Wales wanted to sing a song afterwards. And now it's an offence to do anything cos they go crying to the IRB when anyone dares challenge it.

Yeah_Right · 08-10-2015 11:05pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Well, they had a strop when Wales wanted to sing a song afterwards. And now it's an offence to do anything cos they go crying to the IRB when anyone dares challenge it.

Such an ignorant statement. Do some research instead of reading sensationalist articles from tabloid journalists and you might learn something.

Duckworth_Luas · 08-10-2015 11:20pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Such an ignorant statement. Do some research instead of reading sensationalist articles from tabloid journalists and you might learn something.

Are you doing a haka right now? Slapping your thighs in anger across the internet?

Cienciano · 08-10-2015 11:22pm

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Such an ignorant statement. Do some research instead of reading sensationalist articles from tabloid journalists and you might learn something.

I don't need to read any tabloid journalists version of events, I remember it clearly. I also remember that New Zealand allowed journalists into the dressing room to see it.
Great team, but like kids when they don't get their own way. New Zealand fans are similar, worst losers in world sport.

fergiesfolly · 08-10-2015 11:34pm

I'd have Darren Randolph punt it high up the pitch for Shane Long to belt past their keeper.

Keep yer feckin rugby!!!!

kidneyfan · 09-10-2015 12:00am

Blast them with piss

gormdubhgorm · 09-10-2015 12:37am

Riverdance

c_man · 09-10-2015 12:55am

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Be warned, these will make you cringe!

Ahahaha! Jesus Christ, you'd nearly hide behind the couch for those.

To the OP's question, the appropriate response is to ignore them doing their little song and dance and continue practicing/warm-up. Try and keep the giggles in and focus on the game at hand.

c_man · 09-10-2015 1:00am

I'd love to see their football team try it, can't find any footage of it though. Search says that Fifa banned their women's football team from performing it last year so that's that probably - http://fusion.net/story/148410/2015-womens-world-cup-haka-new-zealand/

Yeah_Right · 09-10-2015 1:27am

Cienciano wrote: »

I don't need to read any tabloid journalists version of events, I remember it clearly. I also remember that New Zealand allowed journalists into the dressing room to see it.
Great team, but like kids when they don't get their own way. New Zealand fans are similar, worst losers in world sport.

Do some research. Look up the history. You might learn something. Could be interesting.

Yes Ireland are much better losers than NZ. I guess practice makes perfect

The Haka: What would AH suggest as the best response?

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