Father says his raped "sex mad" 11 year old was "fully up for the experience"

play4fun1 wrote: »

Adult woman has sex with 11 year old boy and get away with it .

According to the same article, Hatt didn't get away with anything -

Hatt was given a six-month suspended prison sentence, ordered to register as a sex offender for seven years, and banned from having unsupervised contact with young boys.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

^ Compared with what the sentence would have been were the genders flipped (and don't kid yourselves if you honestly believe there wouldn't be a difference), it is indeed "getting away with it". A guy would have done time.

If you can find me a case with similar circumstances (I'm even being generous in asking for similar and not the exact same circumstances) with only the genders reversed as the intrinsic difference between the two, then I'll accept your point.

I can point to numerous cases where men have received suspended sentences for similar circumstances. I'm not arguing at all that there wouldn't be any difference, because the law isn't gender blind, nor has it ever claimed to be or aspired to be gender blind.

I don't have a problem with that. My issue is with the leniency of the sentencing in these cases. I don't particularly care for sentiments like anyone 'got away' with anything, when they clearly didn't. The issue is that the sentencing for these crimes against children is far too lenient, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator, or the victim.

DareGod wrote: »

If it was a male adult and a female child, it would have been a completely different outcome.

But feel free to pretend otherwise.

No one is claiming otherwise. The point is that "Equality" isn't the issue. If anything, the lack of equality is the issue.

eviltwin wrote: »

The dad's comment about his CHILD are what is really unbelievable about this and you have to wonder how much that affected the sentence. What kind of parent defends the paedophile who rapes their child??!!

The kind of parent who was had a relationship with the perpetrator themselves, the kind of parent who says their own child was fully up for it -

The boy's father, who is also Hatt's ex-lover, claimed his son was 'fully up for this experience' as he pleaded for the babysitter to be spared jail over the 45-second sexual encounter.

Unfortunately, being an utter scumbag isn't a criminal offence.

orubiru wrote: »

I hate to focus the "double standard" topic of this thread, given the appalling nature of the entire situation, but would anyone dare post a comment like this if this story was about a 21 year old man having sex with an 11 year old girl?

Would this post be held up as a concrete example of rape culture?

When a poster, with 2,431 posts, thinks that this is an appropriate response to the sexual abuse of an 11 year old, then I think we have a problem.

Even if the poster doesn't think of it as really being rape, or really being so bad or violent or whatever, you still have to wonder why they think that this is perfect response to a situation like this.

I can't understand the motivation for posting something like this at all?

Unfortunately there will be a lot of people who should know better whose first thought will be that this kid is a legend or something

Following on from what ****ebagotoole said... Niccccceeeee.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yes she did. She got a suspended sentence for raping an 11 year old boy.
That's getting away with it.

She got a suspended sentence and will be registered on the sex offenders list for the next 7 years. That's not getting away with it, that's an incredibly lenient sentence.

Here you go:

The circumstances of that case aren't at all similar to the case in the OP, there are some similarities between the two cases, but having read the whole article, the gender of the perpetrator wasn't the only difference at all.

Quite frankly, OEJ, you must have your head in the sand if you can't see that there is major gender discrepancy with regards to the sentences (or the lack of them) being handed down for the rape and sexual abuse of children in the UK, but sure carrying on pretending there isn't if you wish.

Of course there's a gender discrepancy between genders with regard to the sentencing handed down for rape and sexual abuse of children in the UK, but what's actually more important as far as I'm concerned, is not the gender of the perpetrator, or the victim, but the leniency of the sentencing handed down. That's actually what needs to be addressed more urgently IMO.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The father should be beaten with iron bars.

How could you look at your child and know you robbed him of his innocence.

Relax conor, doubt the guy loses sleep over anything moral. Save your outrage for someone who has a conscience

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yeah, we all know how suspended sentences work, the point is that when someone gets a non-custodial sentence for such a serious crime, a suspended sentence is in essence 'getting away with it'. Your just nit-picking for the sake of it as you know damn well the point that is being made when someone says that in this context. It's an idiom, not to be taken literally, but sure come back and tell us that she got a suspended sentence again if you want.

All I can do is assure you that I'm not just nit-picking for the sake of it. It drives me barmy when tabloid rags like the DM claim in their headlines that someone "walked free" or whatever, and buried in the small print in the article is the fact that they received a suspended sentence. It's even worse when a poster suggests in their opening post that the person commits a crime and gets away with it, because it's just not true, and I'd rather see the fact that they got a suspended sentence acknowledged, and criticised for the leniency of the actual sentence.


EDIT: The point I'm making is that I have no interest in the 'if the genders were reversed' bollocksology - a child was the victim of a rape or sexual assault, and the perpetrator only received a suspended sentence. That for me, is the most important thing that should be focused on, rather than 'ohh if the genders were reversed, this would happen', etc.

Do you ever admit when you're wrong? You said:


You're trying to tell me there is no contradiction in that statement? And you tell others not to play stupid!

I'm not sure what's causing you difficulty there, I asked for similar cases, not cases where only one or two similarities can be drawn but the overall circumstances are completely different.

As I said, I can pull up numerous cases where the perpetrator was an adult male who received a suspended sentence upon conviction, so this idea that it's as simple as if the genders were reversed, the certainty that an adult male would have done time for the same crime in the same circumstances, is nonsense.

I don't think you'll find too many cases either where a father claimed his 11 year old daughter was well up for being raped by a 20 year old male.

I guess there are a few different issues at play here, and sometimes its hard to disentangle how much focus should go on each.

Most obviously we have a judge who is frankly an embarrassment. Usually I try to avoid joining the pitchfork mob wrt sentencing on the basis that you may not know all the facts that weighed into that sentence. Fortunately the judge here provided a lot of this in his summation, and on the back of that should hand in his wig with his head hung in shame

There's of course the question of severity of sentencing for sex crimes generally. While averages would seem to indicate that light sentencing isn't the norm there are some pretty appealing outliers nonetheless, and a fair question would be if there should be minimum tariffs applied to such crimes

There's also a question of how society views female sex offenders. Outcomes like this serve to trivialise the issue, for example in any official sentencing statistics this will be aggregated into a category far less serious than what actually happened, and inevitably this will serve to downplay the severity associated. It would also seem to tally with a lot of research around severity of sentences by gender.

And finally there's also the father in this case, and a pretty significant question as to how fit for purpose a creature who downplays the abuse of his child in court actually is....

tritium wrote: »

I guess there are a few different issues at play here, and sometimes its hard to disentangle how much focus should go on each.

Most obviously we have a judge who is frankly an embarrassment. Usually I try to avoid joining the pitchfork mob wrt sentencing on the basis that you may not know all the facts that weighed into that sentence. Fortunately the judge here provided a lot of this in his summation, and on the back of that should hand in his wig with his head hung in shame

There's of course the question of severity of sentencing for sex crimes generally. While averages would seem to indicate that light sentencing isn't the norm there are some pretty appealing outliers nonetheless, and a fair question would be if there should be minimum tariffs applied to such crimes

There's also a question of how society views female sex offenders. Outcomes like this serve to trivialise the issue, for example in any official sentencing statistics this will be aggregated into a category far less serious than what actually happened, and inevitably this will serve to downplay the severity associated. It would also seem to tally with a lot of research around severity of sentences by gender.

And finally there's also the father in this case, and a pretty significant question as to how fit for purpose a creature who downplays the abuse of his child in court actually is....

Brilliantly worded tritium tbh, and just on that last bit regarding the father in this case - I'm reminded of the thread we had recently where the mother was charged with failing to protect her children from her abusive ex-boyfriend, and even frustrated the prosecution case to the point where they had to make a deal with her ex-boyfriend. She was sentenced to 30 years, and I think there's something to be said for a sentence like that, that could be applied here.

I'd have said the same regardless of the gender of the parent or guardian in any case where they failed or actually neglected to protect their children from abuse of any kind.