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New to cats, angry and unsure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Thanks to everyone. TBH I was worried I'd be savaged as the next Hitler, I know how people are with animals. But everyone has helped me calm down a lot, and I know it's not the cat here to blame, it's me being a lazy so and so!

    Gonna invest in a few things for her to see if they help, but mostly just give her all the attention I can, and if that means more xbox then it's a price I'll just have to pay! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,658 ✭✭✭✭The Sweeper


    Hi Ross

    Some things to make your life easier.

    Get your doctor to prescribe an antihistamine, or get advice on an over the counter antihistamine you can take to countermand your cat allergies. Ask about a cortisone cream to soothe irritation. Thoroughly clean the house, removing cat dander and hair, so you can start over. Your cat allergies WILL WEAR OFF after a time.

    Trust me. I have asthma and hayfever, and I am allergic to cats. I own four inside-only cats and I foster cats in a specific foster room in my house for my local no-kill shelter, so I often have around nine cats and kittens in my house. I'm not dying.

    Clean all fabric areas where the cat sits/sleeps with a damp cloth - it takes up cat hair nicely and cleans off the dander. Then put a cat-specific blanket on, for instance, the end of the couch she sleeps on. Buy two, so while one is in the wash the other is protecting the furniture.

    Clean kitty with a wet facecloth at least once a week. She'll hate it, but hell. Get a clean facecloth and soak it in luke warm water. Wring it a bit, but keep it quite wet. Thoroughly rub kitty with it - with and against the grain of her fur - once a week. You'll remove a lot of cat dander and allergens with this process.

    Litter trays - buy a deep sided covered tray with no door but with a charcoal filter to fight smells. Clean crap out of it whenever crap gets into it. Use a low-odour clumping litter and clean the whole litter out, assuming you're poo picking daily, at LEAST once a week. You need to lay the litter at least 5cms deep to ensure that any urine is absorbed and clumped before puddling on the bottom of the tray - but 5cms is glorious digging-to-China fun for kitty, so a covered tray prevents litter going everywhere when she digs.

    Buy a piece of lino or a food mat and place it under the food trays. Also, look into buying a large, shallow, cheap ceramic bowl at the supermarket and use that as your catfood dish. If the food is shallower she may not toss it around as much. Feed smaller amounts more often if she's leaving a lot of catfood uneaten to smell the place out. That and yes, you DO need to throw the tins out as soon as you open them.

    Also look at changing to a more expensive brand of catfood. Wet whiskas loaf is cheap but in my opinion it makes your cat smell. You want a wet brand with 10-12% protein, at least, not 7-8%. Occasionally try her with a little raw meat. (If you want to feed your cat a raw diet, you need extensive supplements to ensure they get a balanced meal). A raw chicken neck is good to clean kitty's teeth while she noshes on it. However cats need to have the taste for raw meat. Don't overfeed her either - try her with a tablespoon of raw chicken mince, for instance.



    Above all, if you need to give the cat back, give her back. Make a donation to the DSPCA while you're doing it, and chalk this down to experience, but misery isn't supposed to be the outcome of pet ownership.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Ross - all good advice here.

    You're absolutely right to keep your cat out of your room if you're allergic. That should help a lot.

    (But your skin problem may also be stress-related, and not *purely* a cat allergy.)

    For skin problems, have you tried using Acqueous cream sometimes? It's cheap and mild; every eczema sufferer I know uses it, and I've started to use it myself on the rough skin of my shins and feet. Get a tub in the chemist if you want to try it.

    The *main* thing when you're rehoming a cat is to give the cat absolute peace, and let it make the running.

    The more attention you pay to her, the longer she'll take to settle.

    Her tummy problems may also be stress-related. I homed an ancient cat with severe bowel problems; after a few months in my house he was happily living on dry food, and lived to the age of 22, eventually dying when he ate a poisoned mouse, poor fellow.

    Yes, you can leave her alone all day. What she needs now is peace and rest. As she gets used to your place you may be gradually able to give her access to the outdoors by a cat door, but introduce this very gradually and carefully - and if you're near main roads, think twice about it.

    Where are you? If you're in Dublin I can give you my spare covered cat litter tray.

    You might offer a saucer of Lidl's luxury dry cat food. Just serve it dry, and change it every day. If she likes it better than the wet food, the advantage for you is that her poo won't smell so strong.

    I bet if you give her a bit of time you will have the pop-in-and-say-hi cat you desired at first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    The food is Go Cat, yeah it's chapo but the DSPCA apparently said several times to ONLY use it... I may get her on to something better though. I want to keep her with what she's used to for now tbh.

    I'm going to pop into pet shop soon and get better lit trays etc. I live in dublin, and there's a HUGE amount of green space out the back of the house and the estate is gated off at the front so I'd be happy to let her out. I've done it a few times and she tends to potter about meeowing at all the plants and having a poke about. It's nice to see. The neighbour has a bully of a cat though and I think that's set her back a lot as they have had a couple run ins. But I guess they have to sort out their differences... Tempted as I am to intervene.

    Noticed yesterday she seems to have widdled in her own bed too :( so i've cleaned it out and put a big soft blankie in there for her. I'm going to buy a new one soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 kipperkiernan


    The cat shouldn't pee in her own bed. They are very clean animals are rarely litter their terrority. I have 3 cats that live outside most of the day/night and are allowed in for a few hrs when I get home from work. Cats, despite what some people think, are quite happy to live outside, as long as they have a kennel that is warm and protects them from the cold and wet weather. Cats are predators by nature and should be outdoors hunting for birds and mice. I regularly had dead birds and mice left at my back door, its a sign of affection. Your cat will always fight with other cats, thats their manner, they may be friendly one day and then spitting at each other the next. Think you really should consider leaving the cat outdoors whilst you are at work. She'll be fine as long as she has food/water and shelter. She won't be bored and will be chasing birds and sniffing around all day! You can then let her in when you get home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    Hi OP,

    This is going to be a long post, but hopefully some of my experiences may be able to help you!

    1) Keeping you up at night

    We had the same problem with our male cat. We tried to tire him out with tonnes of play right before bed, ignoring him, waking up and putting him back downstairs when he was bold, letting him sleep with us, turning on a vaccum everytime he started up... nothing worked. Oh, and it wasn't just scratches and screams, he would jump on the door handle all night. What I have done is crate trained my cats at bedtime. See http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/dog_cages_carriers/carriers (it's cheaper than zooplus.ie, and btw, I'll be refering you to them in a lot of my notes!). If you get the large size, it will be perfect. You can buy a large tupperware dish to use as a litterbox inside, and just put a small bowl of water down for her for the night.
    Also, I recommend using vet bedding to line the crate, as any water / urine spilt will pass thru to the bottom leaving the top dry. Also, you can machine wash on high. If you use vinegar in the fabric conditioner part it will take away any smells. You can order vet bedding or even a crate from http://www.ccpdogs.ie/index.php?cPath=39_82&osCsid=09864c19c09cf9d5468d5bace4c1e24a . To associate the crate as a positive thing, give her a treat when you put her to bed. Mine actually will tell me when they want to be put in now!

    2 - Smells / possibly peeing outside the box

    The quality of your cat food really does make a huge impact on the smell of your cat's feces, and even your cat itself. I have one cat that has reoccuring urinary tract infections, and another that seem to be sensitive to gluten. My mate runs a dog grooming business, and she's finding an increasing number of customers who have pets with allergies. The most common are wheat, soy, and sometimes even rice or corn or certain meats. It could be that your cat has a problem such as this and the SPCA weren't able to fully identify it. The best food I have every tried and has sorted all my cats problems is Orijen http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/dry_cat_food/orijen/45156. This food contains no grains (no wheat or rice), and it 75% meat (all human grade), 25% veg / fruit. I would say that your smell problems would be sorted with this, and it shouldn't adversely affect her tummy (but, remember - anytime you switch food it can take 2 weeks before your cat's stomach adjusts. She can suffer diahorrea in this transition. Mine didn't, but every cat is different). If you're worried though, you can start by adding a bit of boiling water to make it mushy, and let it cool before giving it to her. Then try to get it less and less mushy until solid if possible, as the hard food helps clean their teeth.
    If you want to treat her with wet food, I would also recommend applaws or Almo nature (also available from zooplus.co.uk) as these are gluten free, or the husse Tuna/ Sardines/ Seafood Platter (it's just whole seafood pieces in jelly, but none of the others as they contain wheat) http://www.husse.ie/view-product-type.php?type=Tins%20for%20Cats&Sect=Products . It is expensive, but it's worth it in the end. Also, as the Orijen isn't bulked out with indigestible fibers, you don't need to feed as much. For a 4kg cat, at 8 months you feed 95g, at 10 months you feed 80g, and from a year you feed 55g. And it's less if you also feed a wet food. I also found that this food helped with my cat's UTI's - he hasn't had one since I switched. Perhaps it could help yours with it's peeing issue?

    3-Smells again

    Get a covered litter box with a filter. I personally would take the swinging door off if it has one, as she may not realise how to use it, but it's your call. There's a good one here http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/cat_litter_litter_boxes/hooded_litter_box/13624 , but your local pet shop should have one too.
    Also, the quality of the litter you use is important. The cheap supermarket stuff I found I had to totally disinfect every 3-4 days. Try to buy a clumping litter. My favorite is Cat's Best Oko Plus http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/cat_litter/ecological_litter/14001 . I find with 3 cats, I go thru about 3 10 litre bags in 3 / 4 weeks. It does track a lot though, so you will need to vaccum. However, mine like to wash their paws in the water bowl, and it find that the clay ones would get stuck into the wooden flooring and take ages to get out. The plant ones are much easier to mop and clean. However, if you do want to go for clay, the best ones I've tried are Golden Grey Master http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/cat_litter/silicate_litter/29960 , which is brilliant at aborsbing smells, or Husse's http://www.husse.ie/view-product-type.php?type=Cat%20Litter&Sect=Products .

    4 - Smells yet again / allergies

    I wash my cats. They don't like it, but they know I'm boss. I don't have the problem of mine clawing at me though. If you do, you can get a cat wash bag http://www.ccpdogs.ie/index.php?cPath=34&osCsid=f07bad784bdde02ee461795983265c8a . This is also helpful for trimming the claws of an anxious cat. Just make sure that you use a shampoo that is safe for cats. Your pet shop should have one. Towel dry after washing. You can start off at once a week, and then slowly decrease it to every other week, and maybe every third week, depending on how your allergies get on. Also, you can buy colognes to improve their smells if it boths you. I like products personally http://www.tropiclean.co.uk/

    I hope that you may find some of this information useful. In fairness I think some of the poster's have been a little harsh on you, I can understand how an ever worsening skin problem can make you feel, and you didn't know it would be an issue before you got the cat. Also, I wouldn't use febrezze as I found that it would make me break out quite badly. I use M&S natural Lavender Carpet and Fabric Refreshner spray. Explain all of these points to your other half. She should be proactive in doing the washes and helping vaccum, as after all, she is the one who wanted it. My OH loves our babies, but at the same time they are my cats so I have all the grooming and most other responsibilites. Seriously though, they are worth all the hassle, as they are so rewarding to have as part of the family :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Hi guys,

    Sorry to drag this up. I've given it a few months to gather my thoughts.

    I have to say I'd never, ever, ever get a cat again. I do love the thing, but the allergies are getting worse and worse. My breathing is affected, my stuff is coated in hair all the time. The cat smell makes me nauseous.

    I don't like living in the same house as the cat. I just wish I never got her.

    It's just not fair on my health. I thought the ****ing things went out and played and came in the odd time. Not vomited, shat, and shed on everything int he house 23 hours a day. It's just not on.

    So i have to suffer feeling stuffed up and my skin problems flaring up all the time until she dies. There's gotta BE SOME KIND OF SOLUTION TO THIS.

    I've lost a lot of pride and happiness in my house with this, and it's not helping.

    I've a lot of personal issues, and health concerns so this is just piling on top of it. I dunno, guess I still need to vent.


    As I've said; BE SURE BEFORE YOU GET A PET.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,658 ✭✭✭✭The Sweeper


    There is a solution.

    Rehome the cat.

    Honestly. Since you posted, my full-time inside-only house cat quotient has gone up to five cats. I don't have half the problems you have, and I have five times the cats. I did my six weeks of acupuncture, finishing up about three weeks ago, and it helps my allergies, as does a nasal spray and an inhaler if and when required (and that's not daily).

    My cats don't shit everywhere. There is minimal hair in the house, because I have wooden floors and I sweep every day, vaccuum twice a week and wash the floors once a week. I also have a microfibre couch, which repels the cat hair. I feed my cats a mainly raw diet, so they don't smell. I have five covered, charcoal filter litter trays (one per cat), that I keep in one spare bedroom that is the 'cat room' - their litter, their food, their water and their beds are all in that room, and they're closed into it with a feed last thing at night, and allowed out first thing in the morning, so they don't bother me at night. The other bonus of a mostly raw diet is less cat shit.

    It sounds to me like you funnell a lot of resentment into the cat, and it's become a focus for the rest of your personal issues. You wind yourself up about it, and it's a self-perpetuating problem, because the animal will pick up on your dislike and your stress and its behaviour will be worse and worse.

    Rehome it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    MAJD: Thanks for the post. However, I don't think I can. The cat is very important to my gf, and I don't know if I would have to heart to move her out, she's a lovely little thing to be fair.

    Ah I don't know. It's a totally self perpetuating situation. I know I'll lie down on it and be fine for a while again, and around in circles.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭ValerieR


    Simple questions : have you actually spoken to your g/f about all this ? Is she concerned about your cat related health issues ? Are antihistamines really unefficient to your allergy ?
    The issue might not be so much about the cat ...
    Sorry for being so blunt - I don't want to hurt anyone but you are obviously not happy and you need to grab the "bull by the horn" and do something about this situation.
    ValerieR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭PinkTulips


    ISDW wrote: »
    I found this hard to believe, so checked out the DSPCA website and I'm absolutely stunned. For anybody wanting to adopt a dog, they have to have a homecheck. However, if they want a cat, just fill in a form, have a chat and away you go. I knew that cats were treated worse than dogs in this country, but I didn't realise it extended to rescue organisations as well.

    i once walked into the DSPCA, picked a kitten, signed a piece of paper, handed over 50euros and walked out with the kitten.... i was 19 and didn't even have a carrier, they gave me a temporary one to get home with!

    now, we loved that cat and he was the most pampered, spoiled, well loved cat you ever came across (i'm not exageratting, i took him traveling on trains with me, he slept in our bed, was cuddled 24/7) but there is no way in hell they should have let me walk out the door with him based on the information they had :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,658 ✭✭✭✭The Sweeper


    MAJD: Thanks for the post. However, I don't think I can. The cat is very important to my gf, and I don't know if I would have to heart to move her out, she's a lovely little thing to be fair.

    Ah I don't know. It's a totally self perpetuating situation. I know I'll lie down on it and be fine for a while again, and around in circles.

    Ross, when you post about that cat, I get waves of dislike, irritation, resentment and unhappiness from your posts. That isn't what pet ownership is about.

    I'm cat-crazy, and all you'll ever hear is positive babble about my cats. I'm boring about them to the point of dullness. And my god, if they do something new... People with children patronise me because of how I talk about my cats. They make me laugh, usually quite heartily, every day. The closest I get to irritation is when they have a clingy day and want to sit on me - because if you don't feel like being sat on, five is a lot of cats to try dodging.

    The best thing I've found for my allergies (because oral antihistamines do precisely: absolutely sod all) is a nasal spray - it's available over the counter, and the active ingredient is Azelastine Hydrochloride. Dries my tap-like nose inside 15 minutes - and that means I don't get the knock-on effects of incessant sneezing, itching eyes that are streaming, and secondary asthma. We're a very happy cat household, but if I wasn't cat-mad, I might find myself very unhappy and resentful about HAVING to use that nasal spray.

    I'm struck by the things you complain about - if the cat is shitting all over the house, then there's a serious problem with its litter training, but also with its behaviour. I know two different cats that indulge in inappropriate elimination and I'm convinced in one case it's as an expression of dominance and in the other an expression of unhappiness. Sort of like two fingers to their owner - and as an observer I think it gets worse if there is stress in the household.

    If the cat is vomiting a lot, then there is a problem. She needs to be wormed, to ensure it's not worms, then possibly checked over by a vet to ensure there is no underlying cause. Then she needs a change in diet. If you say she sheds hair everywhere, she could be a medium-haired cat, and that means she needs brushing - and self grooming could be contributing to her vomiting.

    There are a lot of things you need to do to improve your life with the cat - but given the way you're posting, honestly, there's no point. You will not embrace the work involved in retraining, nurturing, caring for and feeding the cat if you're this upset with it. And if you do a half-assed job, you might as well do no job at all.

    Let's put it this way - litter tray cleaning is nobody's favourite job, but there are two types of cat owners. The type that go "Oh no, I better clean that litter, my poor cat using such a dirty litter tray, I'll fix that right now" and the type that go "I can't believe I have to clean this shit up yet again."

    You need to talk to your girlfriend. Unless she's blind as a bat, she has to see the difficulty that owning this cat is putting you through. And rehoming doesn't necessarily mean something bad. Do either of you have parents, siblings, aunts or uncles who would take the cat? Do you have friends who might take it? Could you work out something with someone that means your girlfriend can still see it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭MsFifers


    I don't want this to sound mean, but I feel sorry for your cat Ross. The poor thing doesn't sound at all happy in your house.

    It sounds to me like you are brooding over what should be a minor issue. Your house shouldn't be covered in cat hair, vomit and whatever else you were complaining about. If it is, then it sounds like you guys aren't stepping up to your responsibilities in pet ownership. I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but you got tons of advice and sympathy here previously, and if you have been doing everything that was recommended and still have a problem, then you aren't being fair to the cat to keep it in such an unhappy circumstance.

    Sorry if I sound a bit critical - I'm in a bit of a cranky mood today :D but I don't know what you expect from anyone here?

    Have you been doing what was suggested? Or are you the kind of person who, when faced with a problem, lets themselves get depressed and cranky about it, instead of doing something to solve it?

    Ha ha! See? Told you I was cranky!


  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Adventure Pout


    I agree with lots of people here.. It's been going on for long time now, and the best thing for you is to Rehome that poor cat.
    She is unhappy and you are unhappy. She can feel that and act accordingly.
    Just talk to your gf again and please find another home for the poor kitty.
    There were lots of advices given to you, and if you had followed them, your situation would have improved significantly.
    There are lots of things you guys must do it very wrong because once you change a few things, the situation can improve very quickly.
    There is no point to be miserable and make the poor cat miserable.
    Maybe somebody in here would be willing to take your cat...
    I would have loved too, but my kitty prefer to be an only cat, and I live only in a small apartment..
    Talk to your girlfriend again, and please find a home to that poor cat...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Sigma Force


    Why can't you just talk to your gf about it, nobody can help you with this situation because you don't want the cat rehomed so you really need to talk to her and come to a descion. Nothing wrong with rehoming the cat just make sure the cat goes to a good genuine home, and home check the home as well. Or perhaps she has a relative that might take the cat on.

    You need to talk to her.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 44 Chitterchatter


    Clearly you didn't research what adopting a cat would involve. May that be a lesson to others considering adopting an animal!

    I can skimmed through the thread and it seems to be giving conflicting messages.... where do you stand now with the cat - do you want to keep it or not?

    If not, then rehome her and let her have a chance of happiness. It's probably advisable to bring her back to DSPCA if that is where you got her from originally.

    If you want her then you need to be committed to her longterm care.... she may live for another 15 years. If you cannot commit to having her forever then she is best rehomed now as when she is even older it will harder to find her a home and very unfair on her.

    As for your relationship with your gf.... if you can't discuss these issues then maybe you need to review the relationship. However you need to talk to her about this. It won't just go away. Speak with her, and between ye, make a decision about the cat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Sigma Force


    Members from the DSPCA could be reading this also or people involved usually the rule with adopting an animal from rescue is to return it to the same one. I would be pretty angry if a critter I adopted out was shipped off somewhere else without me being informed first and been kept posted.

    You can never 100% gurantee a home no matter how well checked though.
    No one gets it right 100% of the time.

    You wouldn't be the first person to return an animal to a rescue and most rescues much prefer if you do, sometimes homes don't work out or there's a change in circumstances, it's just part of rescue so there shouldn't be a problem returning the cat. You might have to wait a while until they have a space and not speaking for the DSPCA just saying that in general that's the way it works in rescue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    OP, I agree with others in regards to rehoming the cat. It doesn't sound like anyone is happy in the household for the moment. Have you or your girlfriend followed the advice given by the posters here? If you have and you've not had any joy, then you've tried your best, and you can't beat yourselves up over it. However, if you and your OH haven't made the effort, then you should give it back as there's no point in keeping it if you're not going to put in 100% to make it workable.

    As MADJ said, cat's should be a joy - I have 3 of my own, and while they can do things to annoy you, you can still laugh at it at the same time. They should be a joy, not a source of constant frustration. Also, the throwing up is not normal. It could be an illness / allergy / or hairball. To cut down on hair on the cat and in the home, try a furminator or furminator type product (there's a cheap one here http://www.christiesdirect.com/product.php?sp_p=853518 - I have it and it works brilliantly). If it's not hairballs, then a trip to the vet is in order.

    Also, your cat should still not be sh*ting all over. There seems to be a problem there, weather it is behavioural or with the litter it's hard to say.

    Your message seems to be conflicting - do you want to keep her or not? If not, then talk to your gf and work on rehoming. If you do want to keep her, post up here the changes you have made and maybe posters here can try to help further.


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