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Would Katie Taylor beat an average man in a fight?

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  • #102
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    strobe wrote: »
    In the ring? She'd absolutely annihilate them. Out of the ring, the size, strength and weight difference would mean all the man would have to do is shoulder charge her to the ground,
    That's complete nonsense, a shoulder charge? He might as well send her a letter stating what he's going to do.
    Seaneh wrote: »
    You are insane.

    Boxers take punches harder than and kicker boxer can throw their foot and don't budge. the ONLY hope an MMA fighter would have against a world class boxer would be in the managed to take them down, and that would be insanely hard.

    a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

    Put Jose Aldo in a street fight with Mayweather Jr (both 65kg) and Aldo is going nowhere after it besides a fecking emergency room!
    Boxers don't stand a chance against a well rounded MMA fighter. Boxing is a discipline within MMA, they do a lot of boxing training it's a fundamental part of the sport. They have to adapt that boxing to take in the possibility of kicks and take downs. In Katies gold medal fight look how many times she and her opponent held onto each other. As soon as she did that in an MMA fight she'd be on the ground and beat.


  • #103
    jill_valentine
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    I do think people are talking as if Taylor's only skill is in the actual punching. Aside from any argument about just how technical boxing can be, don't forget, the woman is an exceptional athlete even beyond that discipline. She's reknowned for her speed and reflexes, it's not just a matter of whether she can absorb or dispense more punches. If you've seen any of the many, many stirringly soundtrack slo mo montages we've seen over the last week, you know she's got some mad Matrix bullet time shizz going for her, so landing a box in the first place isn't even guaranteed. She wouldn't just wreck Joe Soap, she'd make him look silly in the process.

    tl;dr - I wouldn't spill her non-alcoholic beverage of choice.


  • #104
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Speed kills. Got to be able to touch them to hurt them. The thought of some fat geebag trying to shoulder-charge someone as fast as Taylor in some stupid imaginary brawl has me grinning. That hypothetical moron would be going home wearing his own arse for a hat.


  • #105
    Pottler
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    Ah jasus, knock off the fighting talk crap. Is she hot or not? Stick to the important stuff, will ye?


  • #106
    ScumLord
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    jill_valentine wrote: »
    She's reknowned for her speed and reflexes,
    Boxing is mostly speed and reflexes, especially amateur. Even pro boxing fights tend to go the distance and the winner is decided on points. It's all about who can land accurate punches where the front of the glove hits the opponent (if you hit the opponent with anything other than the front of the glove you don't score points), so being able to avoid the opponents punch and hit them makes you a winner it doesn't really matter how hard you hit them.


  • #107
    Richard Hillman
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    later12 wrote: »
    I despair when people talk about what boxers they could 'take' on the internet.

    Try it and report back. Post the video up. Then we'll talk.

    I fully agree with you but if a prized boxer were to enter a fight with me, there is no way i would stand up against them. I would go straight to the knees for a take down and they would want to stand up. I know full well if a proper boxer punched me it would be lights out but would not let it get that way.

    the average boxer would batter a novice like me. But an experience MMA fighter would destroy any boxer


  • #108
    hollster2
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    yea shes an animal


  • #109
    kowloon
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    As a professionally trained ninja I've discovered many techniques on the internet that would guarantee victory over those trained in 'unskilled' combat arts such as boxing...


  • #110
    Richard Hillman
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    The MMA Fighter V The Boxer. Its simply an embarrassment. The boxer is on his arse after 15 seconds
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8thufC6oo


  • #111
    later12
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    But an experience MMA fighter would destroy any boxer
    Ok; I don't know if that's true, but what does it even mean?

    I mean they are totally different sports.

    It's like saying "Ryan Lochte would totally kick Alan Campbell's arse in swimming".

    "Katie Taylor could totally take Sonia O'Sullivan".

    True, but totally irrelevant. Amateur boxing is very different to mixed martial arts... and thank goodness for that.


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  • #112
    Richard Hillman
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    later12 wrote: »
    Ok; I don't know if that's true, but what does it even mean?

    I mean they are totally different sports.

    It's like saying "Ryan Lochte would totally kick Alan Campbell's arse in swimming".

    "Katie Taylor could totally take Sonia O'Sullivan".

    True, but totally irrelevant. Amateur boxing is very different to mixed martial arts... and thank goodness for that.

    A poster said that Mayweather would beat a similar sized rival in MMA. I vehemently disagree with his point so used the MMA Fighter V Boxer example.

    Even The Great Floyd Mayweather would agree that his MMA sized compatriots would beat him in a full fight. My point in general is that boxers can only do one thing, and that is stand up and punch. When its taken to the ground, its a different sport to them.


  • #113
    Pottler
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    kowloon wrote: »
    As a professionally trained ninja I've discovered many techniques on the internet that would guarantee victory over those trained in 'unskilled' combat arts such as boxing...
    :D Larf, thy name is Kowloon.:D Funny fecker.


  • #114
    Wacker The Attacker
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    I'd be worried if she couldnt


  • #115
    Peetrik
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    Thread is way off track. Long story short...

    Average Joe vs Athlete in peak physical condition = Athlete wins

    Average Joe vs Athlete in peak physical condition who trains martial arts = Athlete absolutely wipes the floor with them.


  • #116
    Wacker The Attacker
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Boxing is mostly speed and reflexes, especially amateur. Even pro boxing fights tend to go the distance and the winner is decided on points. It's all about who can land accurate punches where the front of the glove hits the opponent (if you hit the opponent with anything other than the front of the glove you don't score points), so being able to avoid the opponents punch and hit them makes you a winner it doesn't really matter how hard you hit them.

    And punching people


  • #117
    later12
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A poster said that Mayweather would beat a similar sized rival in MMA.
    Ok fair enough.

    In MMA.. ok.
    In boxing, I'm sure it would be different.

    I am sure there are lots of sports in which Katie Taylor could be beaten, from synchronised swimming to netball to BMX; I'm not sure why people need to compare her to MMA fighters just because they're vaguely similar sports, albeit with vastly different rules & mental & physical requirements.

    Anyway my apologies, I didn't know you were responding to that specific scenario, which seems a reasonable point to make.


  • #118
    RDM_83 again
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    Maybe but could she beat a Duck sized Horse or ten Duck sized Horses?

    In seriousness though would the fact that she's an amateur boxer not mean she wouldn't be as conditioned to take and inflict 'damage' as a Pro Boxer would be.


  • #119
    Peetrik
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    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    In seriousness though would the fact that she's an amateur boxer not mean she wouldn't be as conditioned to take and inflict 'damage' as a Pro Boxer would be.

    Not in the slightest, it just means she has stayed amateur so that she can compete in the olypmics.
    She would train just as hard as any professional


  • #120
    IrishAm
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    LOL at some of the flutes on this thread. Lads, if you fancy your chances in the ring against her, why not head down to her gym in Bray and spar with her?

    Make sure you have health insurance.

    Seaneh wrote: »

    a 75kg boxer would be so much faster than a 75kg mma fighter that any time the mma guy came near the boxer, he'd be pummelled with punches before he could grab him.

    You are wrong. An MMA fighter would put a boxer asleep within 20-30 seconds. No question.


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  • #121
    efb
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    LOL at some of the flutes on this thread. Lads, if you fancy your chances in the ring against her, why not head down to her gym in Bray and spar with her?

    Make sure you have health insurance.




    You are wrong. An MMA fighter would put a boxer asleep within 20-30 seconds. No question.

    MMA is fairly boring alright...


  • #122
    GerM
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    Anyone who follows disciplines such as MMA knows that a well trained MMA fighter would destroy a boxer in a brawl. However, ignorance exists on both sides of the divide. Boxing is an extremely specialised and technical area. It is in no way an unskilled area and I would highly doubt it to be the least skilled combat sport. There's a massive amount of precision and discipline within the sport. Not that there isn't in other areas but given the narrow take up in other areas, the level of performance in boxing is very, very high.

    No average bloke could take KT. You'd be near unconscious in 30 seconds. Most people with boxing training would be swaying on their feet within one round. No boxer would ever take on such a fight either.


  • #123
    Pottler
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    efb wrote: »
    MMA is fairly boring alright...
    What sort of sick fecker fights with a baby food? Scum.


  • #124
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Peetrik wrote: »
    Not in the slightest, it just means she has stayed amateur so that she can compete in the olypmics.
    She would train just as hard as any professional

    TBH I didn;t really mean it in a training harder way or athletic fitness level because obviously anyone with a gold from the Olympics is at the top of their game, was more talking about the fact that Pro boxers would trade a lot more 'damage' with each other i.e different scoring, longer rounds, head gear (I'm not a boxing fan anyway just curious about this point)


  • #125
    IrishAm
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    efb wrote: »
    MMA is fairly boring alright...

    I walked into that one!


  • #126
    strobe
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    That's complete nonsense, a shoulder charge? He might as well send her a letter stating what he's going to do.

    Unless she knocks him out coming in Scum, she is going down to the ground, and ending up with him on top of her, and from there the story is told.

    Maybe I'm running further with the 'experience in fights' thing than you are but with that size and strength difference anyone getting in close enough for the weaker smaller person to land a shot is going to be able to wrestle, or just through the momentum behind their weight crashing forward, take them to the ground, and end up on top of them, then it's game over, it just is. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

    Katie would mangle anyone the same size and weight and strength and fighting ability of an average man in a stand up trade of punches, she'd destroy them. But anyone with that strength and weight advantage, which is large, and a little bit of guile, would be able to take her off her feet and end up on top of her, and from there all her advantages (less fitness) are mute, it becomes almost entirely about who is the strongest.

    Were Katie trained to deal with being dragged off her feet and fighting on her back, then maybe we could come to a different conclusion, but she's not.


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  • #127
    efb
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    I walked into that one!

    RSC (KO) :D


  • #128
    Pottler
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    strobe wrote: »
    Unless she knocks him out coming in Scum, she is going down to the ground, and ending up with him on top of her, and from there the story is told.

    Maybe I'm running further with the 'experience in fights' thing than you are but with that size and strength difference anyone getting in close enough for the weaker smaller person to land a shot is going to be able to wrestle, or just through the momentum behind their weight crashing forward, take them to the ground, and end up on top of them, then it's game over, it just is. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.
    Not if I grab you by the nads and twist it's not.


  • #129
    IrishAm
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    strobe wrote: »
    Maybe I'm running further with the 'experience in fights' thing than you are but with that size and strength difference anyone getting in close enough for the weaker smaller person to land a shot is going to be able to wrestle, or just through the momentum behind their weight crashing forward, take them to the ground, and end up on top of them, then it's game over, it just is. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

    She could sidestep him and land a couple dozen shots herself. An MMA fighter would grab 'em and lock them in a submission hold.

    Bread and butter to trained fighters.


  • #130
    washman3
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Boxing is probably the lowest skilled of mainstream combat arts. Im confident that i would have a credible chance if a boxer came towards me throwing punches, that i could dip and take them down by their knees.

    You would then fall out of bed and wake up to realise what a great dream you just had...;)
    P.S. while just thinking about taking the boxer down you would be knocked out, cold...;)


  • #131
    Duggys Housemate
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    The mma stuff is bollocks. Of course if she is restricted to Queensbury rules and the MMA guy can grab hold and bring her to the floor he will win. However if she trained in that sport she would probably win.

    In other news I can beat Katie T if I fence and she boxes. Or I got a gun. And she boxes.

    (well maybe)


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  • #132
    strobe
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    Pottler wrote: »
    Not if ...I... grab you by the nads and twist it's not.

    Katie? I didn't mean it babe... go easy.


  • #133
    Gongoozler
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    strobe wrote: »
    Katie? I didn't mean it babe... go easy.

    That's the sound of your nads glooping their way back up into your body.


  • #134
    Eoin
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    I don't have too much knowledge about the whole street fighter vs boxer thing, but she looks incredibly quick - not just how she punches, but how she can move out of trouble. Even if the plan was to try and get her on the deck instead of box, I'd say most people would still struggle.

    Like I said, I wouldn't have a clue about a trained MMA or whatever fighter against a boxer, but I think some people are still deluded into thinking that the fact she's female would give them more of a chance, despite what we've all seen over the last week.

    Incidentally, Brian O'Driscoll is about 5'10 and I'd say he's over 14 stone, even after he seems to have gotten a lot leaner than he used to be. He might be an exception, but by going by height/weight alone seems a bit silly.


  • #135
    IrishAm
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    washman3 wrote: »
    You would then fall out of bed and wake up to realise what a great dream you just had...;)
    P.S. while just thinking about taking the boxer down you would be knocked out, cold...;)

    Gotta laugh at chaps on the internet reckoning that they can take on trained boxers and MMA fighters. Its Friday night, so I hope it is just dutch courage.

    I worked in a bar with a lad who was a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and who trained in MMA too. The amount of drunken fools who used to challenge him to a fight for money, was ridiculous.

    I done a bit of boxing as a kid and we used to always work the Sunday, Monday and Wednesday evening shifts together. During cash up one night we had a few vodkas and started mess fighting. He goes to me, "I betcha fifty dollars I could put you asleep in under two minutes." "Fine", says I.

    I lasted twenty something seconds. And he went easy on me. And I had probably 10-15 kgs on him.


  • #136
    aidan24326
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    Not sure if it's been said but Lennox Lewis is on record as saying that katie would beat a lot of the guys in or around her own weight. That's coming from someone who knows what he's talking about*

    *former world professional heavyweight champion, for those who aren't familiar


  • #137
    IrishAm
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    efb wrote: »
    RSC (KO) :D

    I tripped over his boot, ref. It wasn't a punch, it was a push!


  • #138
    darced
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  • #139
    GerM
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    strobe wrote: »
    But anyone with that strength and weight advantage, which is large, and a little bit of guile, would be able to take her off her feet and end up on top of her, and from there all her advantages (less fitness) are mute, it becomes almost entirely about who is the strongest.

    No they wouldn't. People are forgetting she is a world champion. A little bit of guile does not compensate for world champion level footwork. She would step that person and smash them without batting an eyelid. If they were a dedicated, talented trainer in combat sports, they could take her down. Otherwise, they'd be at the first encounter.


  • #140
    ScumLord
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    strobe wrote: »
    Unless she knocks him out coming in Scum, she is going down to the ground, and ending up with him on top of her, and from there the story is told.
    Her footwork is far to good for any untrained person to grab onto her. She'll simply side step him.


  • #141
    Duggys Housemate
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    darced wrote: »
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    She barely beat the girls in her own division,thats a load of crap.[/Quote]

    She seems to have beaten the best in her division. Or do you think the silver medal winner was an average boxer.


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  • #142
    IrishAm
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    darced wrote: »
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    How to respond to this crap, I don't even know. Katie Taylor barely beating the girls in her own division. Lads fancying their chances against trained boxers. MMA being a load of crap.

    Fucking nonsense of the highest degree from lads who have never set foot in a boxing or any sort of gym.

    :pac:


  • #143
    darced
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  • #144
    dfx-
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    In a boxing match, she's hammer him.

    In a brawl, he's just throw her around.

    This I'd agree with.

    Youtube kindly showed that a man took a full force whack of a hurley to the face and still stood. Who knows.

    In a sparring situation, it's grossly in her favour..you'd have to be an idiot..


  • #145
    IrishAm
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    darced wrote: »
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    No, no I don't. But she is the best woman fighter in her division. And the only close fight she really fought during the Olympics was in the final. Against quality opposition whose game plan was flawless. She didn't panic, when most would have. Stuck at it and saw it through. Sign of a great fighter.

    Which Katie Taylor is. She's probably Ireland's best ever sportsperson.
    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Good for you. When you too, scoop up Olympic gold, then you can slate Katie's performances in the ring.


  • #146
    IrishAm
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    Where do you train btw?


  • #147
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    darced wrote: »
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    How many Olympic medals?


  • #148
    J Mysterio
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    phasers wrote: »
    Could Superman outrun The Flash?

    ****en yes. Obviously.


  • #149
    strobe
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    This is all a little silly and possibly a little distasteful, so I'm done, but I think some people who probably haven't seen all too many fights in real life, are being a little unrealistic and star struck and letting their hearts rule their head.

    Congrats to Katie on the gold, she's a legend.


  • #150
    darced
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  • #151
    False Prophet
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    As Katie is turning pro, lets sort this argument once and for all.

    Lets get her to fight an "average joe":D
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