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Bus driver banned for going too slow?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Are you for real ? Why should i have to drive at your pace? If the other cars are breaking the speed limit, should i? Im talking about own pace which is within the speed limit. If im driving within the speed limit and you drive up to my bumper should i then speed up? NO, as thats just dangerous.


    What if i was driving a hearse?

    Has anyone got a link to the case in question?

    Yes - He is for real - if you are considerably slower than everyone else then you are a danger on that road. No one is asking you to break the speed limit just ensure your speed is appropriate. You are not there to ensure that others keep within the speed limit.
    Driving at 50 in an 80 zone is not helping anyone.
    If you are impeding the progress of others then pull over and let them by.


    Driving a hearse is a special circumstance - I'm sure even hearse drivers do not drive at a funeral pace all the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    If you are driving significantly lower than the legal limit you are putting others at risk. Its just that simple. You create more turbulence in the traffic flow. Its dangerous for everyone - including you.

    I detest turbulence in traffic.
    Such Nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    I detest turbulence in traffic.
    Such Nonsense.

    Whats nonsense ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,551 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Na, far from it . I'm guessing from your posts that you are one of those speed merchants that tailgate and break red light :).

    "speed merchants" - have you been eating copies of the Daily Mail?

    Wanting people to maintain proper progress does not equate to tailgating and breaking red lights.

    Refusing to drive at an appropriate speed for the conditions does equate to bad driving, however.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    afaik, the only clearly defined lower speed limit is 50kph on motorways.
    if he was doing under 50 on a motorway he deserves whatever punishment he got.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Whats nonsense ?

    Turbulence.

    I never heard em mentioning it on AA Roadwatch.

    But I totally agree that drivers must keep up with the flow of traffic, and that if possible slow moving vehicles should move aside if circumstances allow.

    Problem is, the 'correct' speed can be a subjective thing, a younger inexperienced driver may have a different opinion than an experienced driver.

    In the same way, unless a car driver has ever driven an artic or coach, they cant be expected to appreciate the characteristics of such a vehicle.

    I thought the original comments brodcast were quite suspect, thats why i posted querying them, not only because of their sloppiness but also in the same week of a bad bus crash on the continent it was even worse!

    The actual case, the farmer and his tractor and his attitude, was dealt with a little harshly even, no fine, no warning, just a ban.

    Then again if more "deliberate" road hogs" were treated consistently, the roads would probably be safer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Ah right its not nonsense. Apparently, you are just ignorant of flow dynamics, which are used to model traffic flow. Anything that breaks the flow of traffic is a perturbation which causes turbulence in the flow - in the jargon of flow dynamics.
    Google stuff before you declare it nonsense maybe ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Ah right its not nonsense. Apparently, you are just ignorant of flow dynamics, which are used to model traffic flow. Anything that breaks the flow of traffic is a perturbation which causes turbulence in the flow - in the jargon of flow dynamics.
    Google stuff before you declare it nonsense maybe ?

    I dont care much for fancy words; and dont need to "Google stuff" before I form an opinion.

    Fancy theories are just that, theories, and while they may have their place, they have little relevance except in textbook autobahn style scenarios.

    Factor in *real drivers* in actual scenarios coping with motorways with chaotic signage, national routes that are often cobbled together, and regional roads that originally derived from cattle paths, and any such theoretical traffic flow models become irrelevant.

    And thats before any measurement of drivers' abilities are taken into consideration.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    I dont care much for fancy words; and dont need to "Google stuff" before I form an opinion.

    Fancy theories are just that, theories, and while they may have their place, they have little relevance except in textbook autobahn style scenarios.

    Factor in *real drivers* in actual scenarios coping with motorways with chaotic signage, national routes that are often cobbled together, and regional roads that originally derived from cattle paths, and any such theoretical traffic flow models become irrelevant.

    And thats before any measurement of drivers' abilities are taken into consideration.

    Wow. I'm amazed at your ability to dismiss whole field of study whilst simultaneously proclaiming to know nothing about them. Also your choice to argue with the person who is actually saying the same thing as you is .....interesting.

    Tell me....have you thought about going into religion ? It seems you would have an aptitude for it......


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Wow. I'm amazed at your ability to dismiss whole field of study whilst simultaneously proclaiming to know nothing about them. Also your choice to argue with the person who is actually saying the same thing as you is .....interesting.

    Tell me....have you thought about going into religion ? It seems you would have an aptitude for it......

    May the law be with you.:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    stoneill wrote: »
    Yes - He is for real - if you are considerably slower than everyone else then you are a danger on that road. No one is asking you to break the speed limit just ensure your speed is appropriate. You are not there to ensure that others keep within the speed limit.
    Driving at 50 in an 80 zone is not helping anyone.
    If you are impeding the progress of others then pull over and let them by.


    Driving a hearse is a special circumstance - I'm sure even hearse drivers do not drive at a funeral pace all the time.

    How is doing 50 in an 80 zone not helping anyone? It helps that person doing 50 get to their destination safely. There are to may speed merchants on the roads these days .

    On an open road when a car coming up from the rear is going faster i would tend to let them pass when possible regardless of what speed i was doing be it 50 or 120. Its not always possible to move over and let others pass .
    Ensure the speed is appropriate to who? All im concerned about when im driving is to get to my destination in my own time and not the time of someone that wants to drive at the limit or over it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Common sense SHOULD prevail but I have seen drivers on the motorway slowing right down to 20-30kph when they see the advance signs for their exit which are about a kilometre from the exit. It was always my understanding that you only slowed down when you move onto the off-ramp/slip road.

    Some people don't have enough common sense or are too unwell to allow them drive safely so they should let someone else drive them around!

    You can slow down anytime you want Foggy . Where you driving behind them at the time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    MYOB wrote: »
    "speed merchants" - have you been eating copies of the Daily Mail?

    Wanting people to maintain proper progress does not equate to tailgating and breaking red lights.

    Refusing to drive at an appropriate speed for the conditions does equate to bad driving, however.

    No, i munch on the herald from time to time as a treat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Ah right its not nonsense. Apparently, you are just ignorant of flow dynamics, which are used to model traffic flow. Anything that breaks the flow of traffic is a perturbation which causes turbulence in the flow - in the jargon of flow dynamics.
    Google stuff before you declare it nonsense maybe ?

    What flow dynamics? its either moving or stopped .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    How is doing 50 in an 80 zone not helping anyone? It helps that person doing 50 get to their destination safely. There are to may speed merchants on the roads these days .

    Assuming the speed limit is appropriate, if you can't comfortably and you can't safely do 80 in an 80 zone and only feel comfortable and safe doing 50, you should not be passing a driving test. Simple as.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    All im concerned about when im driving is to get to my destination in my own time and not the time of someone that wants to drive at the limit or over it .
    If people are uncomfortable driving at the legal limit in reasonable conditions they should consider giving up driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    The legal limit is the max not the required speed that you should drive at unless you are in Dublin city centre and the m50 ramps at Blanchardstown where the limits are 30kmph and very difficult to go much slower than it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    The legal limit is the max not the required speed that you should drive at unless you are in Dublin city centre and the m50 ramps at Blanchardstown where the limits are 30kmph and very difficult to go much slower than it.
    But if you try to drive into the normal 120kph flow of traffic on any motorway driving at 25kph you are not olny being inconsiderate to other road users but also a serious danger to them and yourself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    The legal limit is the max not the required speed

    That isn't the point and you know it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    afaik, the only clearly defined lower speed limit is 50kph on motorways.
    if he was doing under 50 on a motorway he deserves whatever punishment he got.

    There is no lower limit on our roads, which is part of the problem. To drive on a motor way your vehicle has to be able to exceed 50km/h, there is no current law requiring you to do 50km/h though.

    I'd be perfectly legal to drive at 1km/h on a motorway if I was crazy enough and with the way our laws are enforced I'd properly get away with doing it in the fastlane and everyone in the slowlane would get done for undertaking


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    How is doing 50 in an 80 zone not helping anyone? It helps that person doing 50 get to their destination safely. There are to may speed merchants on the roads these days .

    There's a difference between doing well below the speed limit while being aware of your surroundings, like most truckers do and pull over to allow faster moving traffic by, and sitting in the middle of the road causing mayhem behind you.
    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Ensure the speed is appropriate to who?

    If you've a problem with the speed limit on a road report it to the appropriate CC or the NRA to get the limit reduced. If you don't fell safe driving at 80km/h then don't use 80km/h+ roads.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    But if you try to drive into the normal 120kph flow of traffic on any motorway driving at 25kph you are not olny being inconsiderate to other road users but also a serious danger to them and yourself!

    Ye, but that is just taking the mick if there isnt a good reason to go that slow but at least with a motorway you can overtake . The flow of traffic wouldnt be going at 120 on a motorway Foggy, cars go at all speeds up to and past the limit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    That isn't the point and you know it.

    Yes it is, just because you see 80 on a sign doesnt mean you have to go at that speed you can drive at what ever speed you want up to that limit. Just because the car behind wants to do 80 and you are doing 50 it doesnt mean that you should speed up to match his speed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Del2005 wrote: »
    There is no lower limit on our roads, which is part of the problem. To drive on a motor way your vehicle has to be able to exceed 50km/h, there is no current law requiring you to do 50km/h though.

    I'd be perfectly legal to drive at 1km/h on a motorway if I was crazy enough and with the way our laws are enforced I'd properly get away with doing it in the fastlane and everyone in the slowlane would get done for undertaking





    There's a difference between doing well below the speed limit while being aware of your surroundings, like most truckers do and pull over to allow faster moving traffic by, and sitting in the middle of the road causing mayhem behind you.



    If you've a problem with the speed limit on a road report it to the appropriate CC or the NRA to get the limit reduced. If you don't fell safe driving at 80km/h then don't use 80km/h+ roads.

    Its not always possible to pull over and the car behind shouldnt be bullying the car in front to pull over or speed up either which happens a lot.
    Where are you going with if i have a problem with the speed limit and to get them reduced? Its too slow in parts as it is .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Yes it is, just because you see 80 on a sign doesnt mean you have to go at that speed you can drive at what ever speed you want up to that limit. Just because the car behind wants to do 80 and you are doing 50 it doesnt mean that you should speed up to match his speed.

    If you can't feel comfortable driving 80 in an 80 zone and insist on doing 50 becuase you are entitled to you have NO business driving a car. You would fail a test for failure to progress and if you were being particularly stupid a garda could find a reason to prosecute.

    Your teenage mentality of right and entitlement does my head in. The roads are there for everyone to travel, not just for you to indulge yourself. Learn to drive safely or get off the road. I'm fully sure you have convinced yourself otherwise, but you are just as dangerous for yourself and others as those who speed. If not, more so.

    But I expect this to fall on deaf ears. You can't teach an old dog new tricks etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    If you can't feel comfortable driving 80 in an 80 zone and insist on doing 50 becuase you are entitled to you have NO business driving a car. You would fail a test for failure to progress and if you were being particularly stupid a garda could find a reason to prosecute.

    Your teenage mentality of right and entitlement does my head in. The roads are there for everyone to travel, not just for you to indulge yourself. Learn to drive safely or get off the road. I'm fully sure you have convinced yourself otherwise, but you are just as dangerous for yourself and others as those who speed. If not, more so.

    But I expect this to fall on deaf ears. You can't teach an old dog new tricks etc

    Who said anything about it being about comfort at that speed instead of driving at the max around the place? why should you have to drive at the max when you dont have to? how is doing 50 in an 80 failure to progress ? you are moving at a reasonable speed which you wont fail on your test unless your instructor is being unfair.
    From reading your posts their are only 2 driving options for you, either at the max or slow. You fail to realise their is also a safe driving speed which would help you stop safely in an emergency or to take action if needed to avoid a collision both you wont be able to do if you are driving at the max speed limit all the time. Driving within the speed limit is not failing to progress and nobody has suggested to drive at walking pace .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    If you're driving along the likes of the R639 (old N8) at 50km/hr, then yes, you are driving too slowly regardless of whether or not it feels comfortable to you personally. Sorry to break it to you, but anyone driving at that speed in such a situation would fail a test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Stark wrote: »
    If you're driving along the likes of the R639 (old N8) at 50km/hr, then yes, you are driving too slowly regardless of whether or not it feels comfortable to you personally. Sorry to break it to you, but anyone driving at that speed in such a situation would fail a test.

    No your not and you wouldnt. How would you fail a test for doing 30mph in a 50mph zone? do 50 and you would fail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Who said anything about it being about comfort at that speed instead of driving at the max around the place? why should you have to drive at the max when you dont have to? how is doing 50 in an 80 failure to progress ? you are moving at a reasonable speed which you wont fail on your test unless your instructor is being unfair.
    From reading your posts their are only 2 driving options for you, either at the max or slow. You fail to realise their is also a safe driving speed which would help you stop safely in an emergency or to take action if needed to avoid a collision both you wont be able to do if you are driving at the max speed limit all the time. Driving within the speed limit is not failing to progress and nobody has suggested to drive at walking pace .

    Your talking about driving to the conditions. Which the majority of drivers manage to do and still drive at close to the limit.

    If you only feel safe driving at 50km/h on an 80km/h road then TBH you aren't a safe driver as you are creating an unnecessary hazard on the roads.

    Don't forget that to be a safe driver you also have to have consideration for others and driving slower than the majority of traffic isn't being considerate.

    As I said earlier, my Father drives slowly. He's oblivious to other traffic, doesn't have notion how to do a roundabout or what lane to drive in. Yet according to your logic because he drives slowly he's safe!!

    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    No your not and you wouldnt. How would you fail a test for doing 30mph in a 50mph zone? do 50 and you would fail.

    I got marked down in the Artic test for doing 75km/h in an 80km/h zone. I was leaving a big distance to the truck ahead of me to be safe, if I'd driven up behind and slowed down I would have been OK but by maintaining 75km/h for the whole road I got marked down.

    Since you aren't bothering to listen to us about failing a test for progress, will you believe the RSA?

    Why candidates fail

    The following are the most common reasons why people fail driving tests:

    Inadequate observation moving off, at junctions, at roundabouts and when changing lanes
    Failure to anticipate the actions of other drivers
    Incorrect road position on the straight, on bends, turning left, turning right, at roundabouts, and when overtaking
    Inadequate progress at junctions, roundabouts, on the straight, and when overtaking
    Incorrect or inadequate use of mirrors and signals
    Non-compliance with traffic controls, eg road signs and markings and traffic lights
    Incorrect, inadequate or inappropriate use of vehicle controls, including gears, clutch, accelerator, steering, handbrake, footbrake, and secondary controls
    Excessive speed for the road or traffic conditions
    Failure to yield the right of way to others
    Lack of competence in the reverse and U-turn manoeuvres


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Should get a few cyclists to troddle along in front of Mr. Billy and see how he feels about the "it's a limit not a target" mantra then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Your talking about driving to the conditions. Which the majority of drivers manage to do and still drive at close to the limit.

    If you only feel safe driving at 50km/h on an 80km/h road then TBH you aren't a safe driver as you are creating an unnecessary hazard on the roads.

    Don't forget that to be a safe driver you also have to have consideration for others and driving slower than the majority of traffic isn't being considerate.

    As I said earlier, my Father drives slowly. He's oblivious to other traffic, doesn't have notion how to do a roundabout or what lane to drive in. Yet according to your logic because he drives slowly he's safe!!




    I got marked down in the Artic test for doing 75km/h in an 80km/h zone. I was leaving a big distance to the truck ahead of me to be safe, if I'd driven up behind and slowed down I would have been OK but by maintaining 75km/h for the whole road I got marked down.

    Since you aren't bothering to listen to us about failing a test for progress, will you believe the RSA?

    Then whoever tested you hasnt a clue. Is that why so many trucks are tailgating each other on the motorways?
    Failing to progress doesnt mean keeping within the speed limit it means if you are crawling along not doing 50kph.
    Again i havent said anything about only feeling safe at 50kph. No, going by what you say about your father then he shouldnt be on the road.
    What is the hazard at driving at 50kph in an 80kph zone which is 30mph in a 50 mph zone?
    Whats not considerate is drivers expecting others to go at their pace just because they are in a hurry. This what happens when inexperienced drivers were allowed to stick L plates on and away they go without a co-driver to assist them. Have you seen the signs that say "Arrive Alive" ? they are there for a reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Stark wrote: »
    Should get a few cyclists to troddle along in front of Mr. Billy and see how he feels about the "it's a limit not a target" mantra then.

    Cyclists are hardly going to be doing the speed limit now are they unless they are in a race. Its still the limit no matter how you see it or who is in front of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,551 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    What is the hazard at driving at 50kph in an 80kph zone which is 30mph in a 50 mph zone?
    Whats not considerate is drivers expecting others to go at their pace just because they are in a hurry.

    No, what is not considerate is pootling along at 60% of the speed limit for no justifiable reason.

    And its something you can get fined and given points for, and it does happen.

    If you are not confident to drive to the conditions, you are not a good driver and should not be on the road.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    MYOB wrote: »
    No, what is not considerate is pootling along at 60% of the speed limit for no justifiable reason.

    And its something you can get fined and given points for, and it does happen.

    If you are not confident to drive to the conditions, you are not a good driver and should not be on the road.

    Time to pause maybe, and realise that much of whats being discussed here is of a subjective nature.

    What I have seen lately is that the majority of drivers have actually slowed down a little if anything.
    Limits are not tagets, many are illogical.

    There is no harm done if a slower driver keeps well to the left.
    The problem arises if an overtaking manouevre cannot be executed safely, but if it cant be done safely one could argue that the slower driver is driving to that road's design or limit, which is most likely not going to be a 100kph road anyway and slower driving may be indeed suited to that road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    MYOB wrote: »
    No, what is not considerate is pootling along at 60% of the speed limit for no justifiable reason.

    And its something you can get fined and given points for, and it does happen.

    If you are not confident to drive to the conditions, you are not a good driver and should not be on the road.

    I agree if you are not confident enough to drive then you shouldnt be on the road but thats what we had with people without any experience just lashing the L plates on the car and away they went. Driving to the conditions doesnt mean that you have to hit the limit or break it or be intimidated by a car driving right up to the back of you flashing its lights trying to force you to move over just because they are speed merchants. That is more dangerous than anyone driving slow.
    You wont get fined for going 60% of any limit unless the limit was 30kmph and 60% of that would be parked.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    if you were being particularly stupid a garda could find a reason to prosecute.

    Your teenage mentality of right and entitlement does my head in. The roads are there for everyone to travel, not just for you to indulge yourself.
    Do we have a penalty for obstruction ?
    In the UK people travelling above the speed limit have been done for this because they didn't get out of the overtaking lane when someone travelling even faster caught up with them


    http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/14687
    “I have to disqualify him because of his attitude to Sgt Moore and his general arrogance on that day,” said Judge Mary Fahy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,551 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    I agree if you are not confident enough to drive then you shouldnt be on the road but thats what we had with people without any experience just lashing the L plates on the car and away they went. Driving to the conditions doesnt mean that you have to hit the limit or break it or be intimidated by a car driving right up to the back of you flashing its lights trying to force you to move over just because they are speed merchants. That is more dangerous than anyone driving slow.
    You wont get fined for going 60% of any limit unless the limit was 30kmph and 60% of that would be parked.

    Any reply that falls back on "speed merchants" just shows that you're never, ever going to be moved from thinking that pootling is OK; until you're fined for it I suspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill you don't drive a mini by any chance do you ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    MYOB wrote: »
    Any reply that falls back on "speed merchants" just shows that you're never, ever going to be moved from thinking that pootling is OK; until you're fined for it I suspect.

    WTF is Pootling? Didnt notice that in the rule book ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Lads, he's a troll, pure and simple


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    You can slow down anytime you want Foggy . Where you driving behind them at the time?

    So in your world of motoring it is perfectly ok for a car driver to plod along at a very slow 25-30mph pace and join the traffic on the Naas road pulling directly into the path of coaches doing up to 60mph forcing all other users to take immediate avoiding action?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    So in your world of motoring it is perfectly ok for a car driver to plod along at a very slow 25-30mph pace and join the traffic on the Naas road pulling directly into the path of coaches doing up to 60mph forcing all other users to take immediate avoiding action?

    Be a good lad and point out where i suggest that will you please Foggy or are you just being yourself again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Stark wrote: »
    Lads, he's a troll, pure and simple

    Based on what exactly?

    Its the same old " When all else fails , call them a troll " :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Based on what exactly?

    Its the same old " When all else fails , call them a troll " :)


    You're a real world traffic troll:)

    What you do on the road is similar really to trolling a web discussion. Continually disrupting things for everyone else due to your own self-indulgence and sense of entitlement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    You're a real world traffic troll:)

    What you do on the road is similar really to trolling a web discussion. Continually disrupting things for everyone else due to your own self-indulgence and sense of entitlement.

    You dont know what i do on the road so you cant comment on it .

    Its not a thread called " Lets all agree " its a discussion board and you are having a pop just because i dont agree with you. Why? am i not entitled to an opinion ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    You dont know what i do on the road so you cant comment on it .

    If you don't drive 50kph in an 80kph zone, a point you are arguing fervently for, then why are you here ? You are either a traffic troll in real life, or you are a internet troll on here. One or the other.
    Its not a thread called " Lets all agree " its a discussion board and you are having a pop just because i dont agree with you. Why? am i not entitled to an opinion ?

    You are perfectly entitled to beleive te world is flat also if you like. Still doesn't make you right.

    Nobody here has tried to stop you voicing your opinion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    If you don't drive 50kph in an 80kph zone, a point you are arguing fervently for, then why are you here ? You are either a traffic troll in real life, or you are a internet troll on here. One or the other.



    You are perfectly entitled to beleive te world is flat also if you like. Still doesn't make you right.

    Nobody here has tried to stop you voicing your opinion.

    It doesnt matter at what speed i drive at and in what limits , im only commenting that there is nothing wrong in doing 50kph in an 80kph zone if you want to do so. Its a difference of opinion thats all.
    You have no argument so you scrape the bottom and use the troll card.
    You might like to drive on the limit all the time but the more responsible drivers out there like to take it easy from time to time . Are you sure that you havent mixed up your 30kph with your 50kph.?
    Nobody here has tried to stop you voicing your opinion.
    You have, for calling me a troll for not agreeing with you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    It doesnt matter at what speed i drive at and in what limits ,
    Yes it does. it matters to those around you
    im only commenting that there is nothing wrong in doing 50kph in an 80kph zone if you want to do so. Its a difference of opinion thats all.
    You have no argument so you scrape the bottom and use the troll card.
    No no I have an argument. You've just dismissed it as you don't understand it. you apparently don't like the idea of flow dynamics being used to describe traffic flow. Thats your issue, not mine.
    You might like to drive on the limit all the time but the more responsible drivers out there like to take it easy from time to time .
    Nobody has said you have to do exactly the limit all the time. Thats a straw man you've made up. I don't drive on the limit all the time. Sometimes I do 5 or 10kph less, very occassionally I'll do 100kph in a 120kph zone.
    But thats different to what you are aruging - you are saying its ok for people to do almost half the legal speed limit regardless of the traffic flow. It isn't. Its dangerous. For everyone. Thats isn't up for discussion and your opinion is irrelevant. Its just fact. Thats why you FAIL your test for not pregressing. Thats why the guards can do you for the same. SIMPLE AS
    Are you sure that you havent mixed up your 30kph with your 50kph.?
    No idea what this is supposed to mean

    You have, for calling me a troll for not agreeing with you
    a) I was not the one who originally called you a troll
    b) the word troll does not somehow prevent you from expressing your opinion. Wow imagine the internet if it did. Another strawman. You're not very good with logic I'm started to grasp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Yes it does. it matters to those around you

    No no I have an argument. You've just dismissed it as you don't understand it. you apparently don't like the idea of flow dynamics being used to describe traffic flow. Thats your issue, not mine.


    Nobody has said you have to do exactly the limit all the time. Thats a straw man you've made up. I don't drive on the limit all the time. Sometimes I do 5 or 10kph less, very occassionally I'll do 100kph in a 120kph zone.
    But thats different to what you are aruging - you are saying its ok for people to do almost half the legal speed limit regardless of the traffic flow. It isn't. Its dangerous. For everyone. Thats isn't up for discussion and your opinion is irrelevant. Its just fact. Thats why you FAIL your test for not pregressing. Thats why the guards can do you for the same. SIMPLE AS


    No idea what this is supposed to mean


    a) I was not the one who originally called you a troll
    b) the word troll does not somehow prevent you from expressing your opinion. Wow imagine the internet if it did. Another strawman. You're not very good with logic I'm started to grasp.

    You fail to realise how fast 50kph is . How does it matter to anyone else to what speed i drive at? Do you drive at 120 just because everyone else is?
    Would you drive at 80 in an 80 zone just because everyone else is?
    Thats dangerous driving in the fact that you drive to the wishes of others and not yourself.
    Please explain how doing 50kph in an 80 kph zone is dangerous to others? Have all these other cars not got breaks or is the accelerator pedal stuck at 80? Is doing 30mph in a 50mph zone dangerous?
    I think you may need to slow down a bit before you get an accident. Speed kills and all that.

    you are saying its ok for people to do almost half the legal speed limit regardless of the traffic flow.
    It all depends on the limit, if the limit is 30kph then you will struggle to go much slower unless you intend to stop. The flow of traffic only comes into it when you are joining a faster moving road like a motorway .
    Again just incase you still havent got it, its about what you can do if you want to and not about personal preference.
    Troll, strawman? what next ?:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Speed kills and all that.

    Gay (Byrne) ? Is that you ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    How does it matter to anyone else to what speed i drive at?
    If that is honestly your attitude and you are not trolling, then you should not be on the road.


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