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Right to Die debate: Belgian murderer granted euthanasia in prison

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  • #52
    bb1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    pickarooney wrote: »
    What difference does it make to anyone how much he suffers? How does it affect your life or the lives of his victims' families?

    do you have family members who were raped and murdered? Im sure the criminals treatment would make a big difference to a lot of people actually. If it were my daughter/mother/sister who had suffered at his hands I would want him to rot in jail for the rest of his days, death is much too easy for him.


  • #53
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    Jesus, yet another edge case involving profound moral choices to be discussed. This one is a tough one to call. Far-right reactionary, or limp-wristed meh masquerading as liberalism?


  • #54
    catallus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    There's an awful lot of high-falutin talk going on here about this bag of scum.

    The only reason he's in the news is because he has nothing better to do all day than pull the belly off himself (probably whilst fantasizing about his victims) and the perverse lunatics running the penitentiaries there have nothing better to do than to cement their liberalistic wankeries in their own navel-gazing eyes by bending over backwards to facilitate his whims.

    If this guy were put to hard-labour 20 hours a day, breaking rocks or digging holes or whatever, I'm sure he'd have a lot less time to think about his "psychological pain"


  • #55
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    I'm OK with it as long as he's raped to death.


  • #56
    SligoQueries
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41 ✭SligoQueries


    moc moc a moc wrote: »
    I'm OK with it as long as he's raped to death.
    Congratulations! You won the random draw, and get to, "Bang a Belgian to DEATH"!


  • #57
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    It seems to me that some people may be combining two separate issues:

    First, that this man is a prisoner, serving a sentence for particularly serious crimes.

    Secondly, that this man has been found to have a right to die, in a country which permits euthanasia.

    Van den Bleeken's punishment is imprisonment. Loss of liberty is the extent of it, really. The punishment isn't working the salt mines, and it isn't a diet of stale bread and water, and it isn't denial of euthanasia.

    As the man is imprisoned in a country which already permits euthanasia, I don't see why he should be denied euthanasia simply because he is a prisoner. Would people say the same thing if he was in a Belgian prison for not paying a parking fine?

    From his perspective, he would end his own suffering.

    From society's perspective, he'd never leave prison alive, and the taxpayers would be saved the cost of his care and upkeep.

    Might be a bit macabre to say it, but it seems like it would be a win-win situation.


  • #58
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    what a cowardice thing to do,


  • #59
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    OscarXC7 wrote: »
    He is a murderer. He should be made serve the full sentence for the crimes he committed. He does not deserve to be allowed to die just because he is suffering. He clearly did not care about the suffering of his victim(s) while he raped and murdered them.

    Totally agree the more psychological anguish that murderer has the better . He should be left to rot in his sell for eternity


  • #60
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    krudler wrote: »
    I'm going to play a drinking game today, a shot for every time "liberal" "bleeding heart" or the double points accumulator "pc brigade" are used on this thread, I expect to be dead by page 5, send my widow a ham.
    catallus wrote: »
    The only reason he's in the news is because he has nothing better to do all day than pull the belly off himself (probably whilst fantasizing about his victims) and the perverse lunatics running the penitentiaries there have nothing better to do than to cement their liberalistic wankeries in their own navel-gazing eyes by bending over backwards to facilitate his whims.

    Drink.


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  • #61
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    The man is clearly mentally unstable, he himself declares he has uncontrollable urges to cause harm which gives him great mental anguish. Doctors agree. It actually strengthens his case when it should probably weaken it.Sound in mind and all that.

    Is it a condition that can be controlled long term? I don't know, but it is probably worth a shot.

    It would be interesting to know if he is an organ donor, maybe his death will save others. Redemption may be forth coming after all.


  • #62
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    He should be allowed to die after he has served his sentence.


  • #63
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    con___manx1 wrote: »
    Totally agree the more psychological anguish that murderer has the better . He should be left to rot in his sell for eternity
    How does this benefit society?


  • #64
    Drakares
    Registered Users Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Drakares


    RobertKK wrote: »
    He did the crimes and now wants to end the punishment?

    He should be given mental healthcare treatment, not an early release from his sentence for murder and rape.

    Great idea. Cost the taxpayer another fortune instead of spending the money on someone who actually needs it.


  • #65
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    Billy86 wrote: »
    How does this benefit society?

    I never mentioned anything about it benefiting society. if I was one of his murder victims relatives I would be very annoyed they are even considering this. he didnt care about the people he killed so why should anyone care about him or give him a mercy killing. did he give his victims mercy? i doubt it.


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