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God Save the Queen & Croke Park

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  • #102
    DublinWriter
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    ArthurF wrote:
    Frightening! when even a reputable News Station like Newstalk cant see the significance or reason between the Union Jack & the St George Cross!
    Newstalk went down the toilet since they went culchie, sorry, nationwide.

    Someone should have told them the old addage about not being able to please all of the people all of the time.


  • #103
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    ArthurF wrote:
    Was driven mad every 30 mins yesterday by Newstalk whittering-on about the Union Jack that would be flown over Croke Park at 5:30, so I rang them to explain that the 'St George Cross' would be flown and not not the Union Jack ............

    Well I might as well have spoken to the wall, as they insisted that the Union Jack would fly, hence the reason for RSF demonstrating! I even rang them again later in the day to confirm that the 'Union Flag' would not be flown over Croke Park, but all I got from their News Room was the "Fact that it would be flown" ...............

    Frightening! when even a reputable News Station like Newstalk cant see the significance or reason between the Union Jack & the St George Cross!

    Looks like they were wrong anyway:D


    I thought GSTQ was the National Anthem of the UK, not England anyway. Why was it sung? Do England not have an anthem?


  • #104
    is_that_so
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote:
    I thought GSTQ was the National Anthem of the UK, not England anyway. Why was it sung? Do England not have an anthem?

    She is Queen of England first and then UK, Commonwealth etc. .


  • #105
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Not true - she is Queen of the UK then other Commonnwealth countries


  • #106
    is_that_so
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote:
    Not true - she is Queen of the UK then other Commonwealth countries

    Yes that includes her title as Queen of England. Anyway it's just a tradition.


  • #107
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    She is not Queen of England. The Act of Union in 1707 abolished the monarch of England (&Wales) and Scotland to be replaced by the Queen/King of the UK.

    England use the UK anthem and ArthurF wonders why people don't see a distinction between the Union Flag and St. Georges Cross!


  • #108
    is_that_so
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    A Dub in Glasgo wrote:
    She is not Queen of England. The Act of Union in 1707 abolished the monarch of England (&Wales) and Scotland to be replaced by the Queen/King of the UK.

    England use the UK anthem and ArthurF wonders why people don't see a distinction between the Union Flag and St. Georges Cross!
    Point taken.

    The anthem is sung out of tradition by English/GB/UK teams. Based on an earlier hymn I believe.

    I agree with ArthurF. Extreme laziness and sloppiness on the part of Newstalk.


  • #109
    LordSutch
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    Currently there is a huge debate going on in English Rugby circles regarding the illicit use of 'God Save the Queen' as the 'English' National Anthem by the RFU, because in reality GSTQ is not the 'English' Anthem!

    'God Save the Queen' is the National Anthem of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, (UK) for short, and as such, many English supporters think that it should be replace by something more 'English' as opposed to British, Ironically it for this reason that many English people objected to GSTQ being played at 'Croke Park' last Saturday & (not because of any 1920 connotation).

    'God Save the Queen' is not just specific to 'England' or the 'English'.

    No:1 in the English Anthem replacement Chart is 'Jerusalem' closely followed by 'Land of Hope & Glory' .....................

    The sooner they sort out this Anthem mess the better for all.


  • #110
    Fratton Fred
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    ArthurF wrote:
    Currently there is a huge debate going on in English Rugby circles regarding the illicit use of 'God Save the Queen' as the 'English' National Anthem by the RFU, because in reality GSTQ is not the 'English' Anthem!

    'God Save the Queen' is the National Anthem of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, (UK) for short, and as such, many English supporters think that it should be replace by something more 'English' as opposed to British, Ironically it for this reason that many English people objected to GSTQ being played at 'Croke Park' last Saturday & (not because of any 1920 connotation).

    'God Save the Queen' is not just specific to 'England' or the 'English'.

    No:1 in the English Anthem replacement Chart is 'Jerusalem' closely followed by 'Land of Hope & Glory' .....................

    The sooner they sort out this Anthem mess the better for all.

    THis is all part of a bigger push by many English people for a better "English" identity.

    For example, there is no English parliament. Scotland has their parliament, the Welsh have the Welsh assemble and, if they stop fannying around, Northern Ireland will have Stormont, but England have only has Westminster.

    A recent survey showed that 51% of Scottish people want an independant Scotland, 52% of English people want an independant Scotland as well!!


  • #111
    Jackie laughlin
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    The only thing worse than the faded imperialism of God Save the Queen at Croker was our own hymn to militarism, originally written in English but now handily translated into Irish so that the pseudo nationalists too lazy even to learn the language don't know what they're singing. Let's change to "Ireland's Call". It's not much but it's the best option around. It lends itself to bawling off the terraces, it's mushy and sentimental, the fans and players love it and - most importantly - it doesn't mention guns. OK, Cool Philter wrote it but we can't have everything!


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  • #112
    slackerdude
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    An auxiliary named Bernard Gould writing in the Sunday Independent in 1929 remembered the events of that afternoon in Croke Park. He wrote that all the trouble could be traced back to one auxiliary with a reputation for mischief and that it was he who fired the first shot in the field killing one of the spectators after which, of course, all hell broke loose.


  • #113
    Jesus.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    While we're on the subject, does anyone know what prompted the British Lions rugby team to be renamed the British and Irish Lions? Was there pressure exerted from within Irish rugby circles?


  • #114
    smashey
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    The rugby forum is here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=388


  • #115
    Jesus.
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    Ain't you got anything better to do?


  • #116
    smashey
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    I do, have you?


  • #117
    Snickers Man
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    While we're on the subject, does anyone know what prompted the British Lions rugby team to be renamed the British and Irish Lions? Was there pressure exerted from within Irish rugby circles?

    They were always known officially as the "British Isles Rugby Union Team". They were not known as the Lions until 1924. As far back as the 1970s, even that most obnoxious of British Empire loyalists and Apartheid apologist the late John Reason of the Daily Telegraph would describe the test side in his books, which he habitually brought out at the end of each tour as "The British Isles and Ireland". I haven't found any earlier works from the same author.

    British Lions was an abbreviation that many were comfortable with. No big deal. The current usage, among the official press corps anyway, for "British and Irlsh Lions" is just a sop to modern standards of anodyne language which is determined not to be offensive to anyone at all, even at the expense of being cumbersome and unnecessarily verbose.

    How many people from Derry to you know who refer to their city as Derry/Londonderry?

    That's the way the newsreaders, in Britain anyway, now refer to it.

    Bleughh!

    First world problem.


  • #118
    Jesus.
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    Quality explanation there Snickers. Much appreciated.

    Can't believe that guy used the term "British Isles and Ireland". What exactly was he trying to communicate? Or was he just exceptionally dumb?


  • #119
    Jesus.
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    smashey wrote: »
    I do, have you?

    No disrespect Sir but maybe you should go and do it. No need to wade in with overzealous pernickety Modding. I just asked a simple question and its been answered very well by a well informed poster.

    Its not as if this thread/history section is teeming with activity anyway. Jeez :rolleyes:


  • #120
    Reoil
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    That's it, drag up a 7 year old thread... :rolleyes:


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  • #121
    Jesus.
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    I didn't drag anything up. The thread was on the front page and that's how I noticed it :)


  • #122
    riffmongous
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    Quality explanation there Snickers. Much appreciated.

    Can't believe that guy used the term "British Isles and Ireland". What exactly was he trying to communicate? Or was he just exceptionally dumb?
    What do you mean? Not everyone acknowledges the 'British Isles'


  • #123
    Jesus.
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    Read it again.

    What does the "British Isles and Ireland" mean?


  • #124
    Judgement Day
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    What do you mean? Not everyone acknowledges the 'British Isles'

    or the 'Irish Sea'....:rolleyes:


  • #125
    riffmongous
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    or the 'Irish Sea'....:rolleyes:
    Not the same at all, I've never seen it suggested by anyone that there is a political motivation behind the Irish Sea, except for a bit of whatabouttery on British Isles discussions


  • #126
    Judgement Day
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Not the same at all, I've never seen it suggested by anyone that there is a political motivation behind the Irish Sea, except for a bit of whatabouttery on British Isles discussions

    That's probably because most British people don't obsess about Ireland the way a lot of Irish people do about things British and Britain.


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  • #127
    riffmongous
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    That's probably because most British people don't obsess about Ireland the way a lot of Irish people do about things British and Britain.
    No I'd say it's because it wouldn't make any sense. Even ignoring the historical argument of where the phrase 'British Isles' comes from and how it was revived and used, since that's a bit ambiguous, most definitions of the British Isles make a political distinction at the Channel Isles which robs it of any geographical legitimacy for me.


  • #128
    Jesus.
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    What do you mean? Not everyone acknowledges the 'British Isles'

    Riff, could you please explain why you asked me that question?


  • #129
    riffmongous
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    Riff, could you please explain why you asked me that question?

    Because I didn't get what you meant by your post.


  • #130
    Peregrinus
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    Jesus. wrote: »
    Read it again.

    What does the "British Isles and Ireland" mean?
    Be honest. Is it not obvious what it means?

    "British isles" is a controversial and, in some contexts, ambiguous term. In English law - and this is possibly what motivated Reason's choice of words - the term "British islands" refers to the UK, Guernsey, Jersey and Man - in short, the territories in this corner of the globe which are dependent on the British crown. "British army", "British government", "British ambassador", "British citizen" and similar terms mean that there is an established usage of the term "British" to mean "pertaining to or connected with the UK". There is, in fact, no other adjective with this meaning. Given this, a term like "British isles" is certainly capable of being either ambiguous or offensive, and Reason wished to avoid ambiguity or offence, which seems commendable in a journalist. It's hardly "exceptionally dumb".


  • #131
    pedroeibar1
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    Most 'Style' book have it as the following.

    British Isles
    A geographical term taken to mean Great Britain, Ireland and some or all of the adjacent islands such as Orkney, Shetland and the Isle of Man. The phrase is best avoided, given its (understandable) unpopularity in the Irish Republic. Alternatives adopted by some publications are British and Irish Isles or simply Britain and Ireland

    British and Irish Lions
    (rugby union); not "British Lions"

    Personally I view people who get their knickers in a twist over this issue as (a) having far too much time or (b) having a petty political agenda. They would be better served going for a walk along the Irish Sea.


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  • #132
    Jesus.
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Be honest. Is it not obvious what it means?

    Honestly no. I've never heard anyone use that term before. To me it makes no sense (unless in the way you've described regarding the little islands around Britain) and he should either have used British Isles or Britain and Ireland. The British Isles and Ireland is akin to saying Britain and Ireland.....and Ireland!


  • #133
    Judgement Day
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Most 'Style' book have it as the following.

    British Isles
    A geographical term taken to mean Great Britain, Ireland and some or all of the adjacent islands such as Orkney, Shetland and the Isle of Man. The phrase is best avoided, given its (understandable) unpopularity in the Irish Republic. Alternatives adopted by some publications are British and Irish Isles or simply Britain and Ireland

    British and Irish Lions
    (rugby union); not "British Lions"

    Personally I view people who get their knickers in a twist over this issue as (a) having far too much time or (b) having a petty political agenda. They would be better served going for a walk under the Irish Sea.

    FYP :D

    Better still they could post this type of thread in AH - it only brings out the worst in some of us.


  • #134
    jonniebgood1
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    From a moderation point of view >>>WOW


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