The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2015

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 03-11-2015 12:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Liam Kearns set to be ratified with Cracker and Brian Lacey as selectors. Personally i think thats a sound appointment. I think he can promote us and at the very least maintain us in Division 2. Great to see a loyal Tipp man like Cracker get involved. A true Tipperary football man. Lacey is a very knowledgeable man too.

Best of luck lads, Tipperary abú!

Wish him and the team well, but he cannot be the big name the CB promised would show Tipp were serious about being a dual county.
Maybe thats a good thing.
Getting us into Div. 2 has to be his main and only goal, nothing else matters.

Paddico · 03-11-2015 3:37pm

Very decent appointment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_Kearns

shmeee · 03-11-2015 6:01pm

shmeee wrote: »

It may not go ahead, more won't be known for a few days I hear.

Match is off till Sunday week, sensible decision given the circumstances.

Spirit of 67 · 04-11-2015 6:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Liam Kearns set to be ratified with Cracker and Brian Lacey as selectors. Personally i think thats a sound appointment. I think he can promote us and at the very least maintain us in Division 2. Great to see a loyal Tipp man like Cracker get involved. A true Tipperary football man. Lacey is a very knowledgeable man too.

Best of luck lads, Tipperary abú!

Hope this goes ahead , meant to be ratified last night but didn`t happen . Think Kearns is the right man to drive us on . When he took over with Limerick he started with the Under 21`s and built the Senior side from there . He`s coming here with the ground work already done , exciting times ahead

!

04-11-2015 8:31pm

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

Hope this goes ahead , meant to be ratified last night but didn`t happen . Think Kearns is the right man to drive us on . When he took over with Limerick he started with the Under 21`s and built the Senior side from there . He`s coming here with the ground work already done , exciting times ahead !

I remember being very impressed with him on Celebrity Bainisteoir a few years back. He strikes me as a no bull****, all duck or no dinner type. Seems like a lad who would have great pull with players too.

He done quite a good job with Aherlow too when they pushed Dr Crokes all the way back in 2010. Very unlucky

04-11-2015 8:40pm

What a great young fella

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENfbmVogRZc

04-11-2015 8:50pm

John Madden added to the backroom and Declan Fanning remains as part of the setup.
Willie Maher, Eamon O'Shea's brother Billy, and John Devane are the u21 management.
Minor management remain in place

http://www.the42.ie/william-maher-tipperary-u21-2425109-Nov2015/

Spirit of 67 · 04-11-2015 11:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I remember being very impressed with him on Celebrity Bainisteoir a few years back. He strikes me as a no bull****, all duck or no dinner type. Seems like a lad who would have great pull with players too.

He done quite a good job with Aherlow too when they pushed Dr Crokes all the way back in 2010. Very unlucky

Cracker , Lacey , Browne and Roz , serious backroom Team

. . .

https://youtu.be/QMfDU7RagVE

buggy beag · 05-11-2015 2:09pm

Deleted User wrote:

John Madden added to the backroom and Declan Fanning remains as part of the setup. Willie Maher, Eamon O'Shea's brother Billy, and John Devane are the u21 management. Minor management remain in place

Is willie the manager do you know or is it an actual.management team?

buggy beag · 05-11-2015 2:12pm

Sorry only spotted the link there.ya id be happy enough now with willie.done good with the minors couple of years ago and liam cahill seems to be doing a good job with the minors now.

evolving tipperary · 05-11-2015 5:05pm

Interesting role for Billy...badly wanted too.

Glad to see Maher brought back into the fold. He'll be a future senior manager.

John Madden, Fanning, and Declan Fanning - three defenders - that will be a big change in mindset from the previous regime. I hope its a tempered approach rather than a reactionary one. It'll be interesting to see if Padraic Maher will be played 6 and will an alternative be tried and if so, who. Midfield has to be reinvented and again, who. I'd like to see Bergin and Breen there but we might see Breen in the center or full. Maybe, we might see the Bonner at midfield...certainly, has the engine and disruptive elements to make an impact. I'd like to see Barry and Breen hold the back spine. or given an opportunity to do so.

Be interesting to see the panel that develops over the winter...

buggy beag · 05-11-2015 6:22pm

Dont think id like to see paudie at 6.would love to find a centre back and have paudie and brendan either side of him.does breen play centre for his club?wouldnt mind leaving barry at number 3 and we have good options for corner back ala cahill,barrett,saint,foxy and ronan maher although he done very well in the half back line last year.2 or 3 ball winning forwards and some options at midfield is what we really need to be uncovering.anyone following the club championship this year that has seen anyone worth being looked at?any of the nenagh lads?

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 05-11-2015 6:29pm

buggy beag wrote: »

Dont think id like to see paudie at 6.would love to find a centre back and have paudie and brendan either side of him.does breen play centre for his club?wouldnt mind leaving barry at number 3 and we have good options for corner back ala cahill,barrett,saint,foxy and ronan maher although he done very well in the half back line last year.2 or 3 ball winning forwards and some options at midfield is what we really need to be uncovering.anyone following the club championship this year that has seen anyone worth being looked at?any of the nenagh lads?

to win an all ireland would be great but in reality we need to find a centre back, 2 midfielders and at least 2 big tall forwards.
Big ask for Michael Ryan, but hopefully he has been working on a plan for the last year.

05-11-2015 8:15pm

buggy beag wrote: »

Is willie the manager do you know or is it an actual.management team?

Willie is manager with BOS and JD as trainer and selectors

PlayByTheRules · 06-11-2015 1:27pm

Marlee Shrilling Vegetable wrote: »

to win an all ireland would be great but in reality we need to find a centre back, 2 midfielders and at least 2 big tall forwards.
Big ask for Michael Ryan, but hopefully he has been working on a plan for the last year.

Could Buggie be brought back into the Tipp squad, was a ball winner. He could do a Walter Walshe type role. Breen up front could be an option too.

evolving tipperary · 06-11-2015 2:12pm

A committed Buggie in terms of his lifestyle, yes. He's a machine when fully fit and dedicated. But, he's not - so, no point.

buggy beag · 06-11-2015 3:07pm

evolving tipperary wrote:

A committed Buggie in terms of his lifestyle, yes. He's a machine when fully fit and dedicated. But, he's not - so, no point.

Ya its a pity though isnt it.i always liked buggy(hence my username)really thought he would push on.always had a good eye for a point or two as well and always gave his all.

evolving tipperary · 06-11-2015 5:41pm

It's frustrating because he has all the natural attributes and talent. It's up to him - he obviously doesn't feel the commitment is worth it. He's an amateur, and can live his life whatever way he wants. No room for any kind of half measures - dual roles, over commitment included.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 06-11-2015 9:22pm

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Could Buggie be brought back into the Tipp squad, was a ball winner. He could do a Walter Walshe type role. Breen up front could be an option too.

I dont see why not.
micheal ryan needs to build a centre forward line that are big men, ball winners, but also good defenders.

He will have his work cut out for him.

primary 2 · 06-11-2015 10:28pm

i know he is gone a while,but at just 26 would seamus hennessy be able to give intercounty hurling another shot,i see he was back playing midfield for his club this year and the match reports always mentioned him as standing out,i know he came back in 2013 and broke down so would it be pointless trying again,because if he didnt pick up these injuries i think he was going to become an awsome player,he had it all,strenght work rate and an eye for a score and a good dead ball specialist and he is the type of player we are crying out for in midfield

evolving tipperary · 07-11-2015 1:23am

His knee is not able for intercounty training...

evolving tipperary · 07-11-2015 1:36am

Well, if O'Shea tried his younger brother and wouldn't try his older brother - because he knows them both and all the craic. They're all clubmen - which means O'Shea knew how uncommitted Buggy is...

Buggy will not play intercounty for Tipp again - unless, he has a serious rethink of his commitment.

07-11-2015 2:16am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

His knee is not able for intercounty training...

Sadly it isn't mores the pity.

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Well, if O'Shea tried his younger brother and wouldn't try his older brother - because he knows them both and all the craic. They're all clubmen - which means O'Shea knew how uncommitted Buggy is...

Buggy will not play intercounty for Tipp again - unless, he has a serious rethink of his commitment.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. We've taken half measures all of these years. No more. It has to be all duck or no dinner if we are to beat the Cats.

OAOB · 07-11-2015 8:29am

evolving tipperary wrote: »

His knee is not able for intercounty training...

If his knee could hold up to playing midfield at club level you'd have to imagine a training routine could be designed specifically for him to give him a shot.
It's probably too risky a strategy for any management team to invest in considering his injury history but i'd love to see him get back as a reward for all the **** he's gone through. Pretty inspirational young man and someone you'd always be rooting for

primary 2 · 07-11-2015 10:02am

OAOB wrote: »

If his knee could hold up to playing midfield at club level you'd have to imagine a training routine could be designed specifically for him to give him a shot.
It's probably too risky a strategy for any management team to invest in considering his injury history but i'd love to see him get back as a reward for all the **** he's gone through. Pretty inspirational young man and someone you'd always be rooting for

i know a guy that his brother is on the kilkenny panel and he told me that micheal fennelly training routine is different to the others due to his back problems and sometimes his ankles even between matches he does very little training,it doesent seem to effect his performances on the pitch as we can see he is one of the best midfielders in the country

evolving tipperary · 07-11-2015 12:45pm

That's true - but that depends on the extent of the injury. Back is different to knee, and in fairness the extent of Fennelly's while niggy and consistent have never seen him forced out of the game for the long periods that Seamus was. He's had at least two major knees injuries. Do you think as committed and serious a player as Seamus Hennessey would quit if there was any possibility?

Now, maybe, he could be managed to play a stand up forward role for Tipp - but, that just does not fit around inter-county game plans at the moment. Where forwards are back helping backs and constantly moving...

Playing at club level is MILES away from what Tipp are doing.

Also, Fennelly had years and years of preseasons and full season campaigns built up - had a natural fitness built up. Seamus got his injuries very young. Fennelly's injuries are wear and tear over the years, like Eoin Kelly. It's not the same type of injuries - different case.

evolving tipperary · 07-11-2015 12:54pm

As Seamus puts it himself:

'For the past 2 years, I have had a knee injury that has left me missing pretty much all of the 2011, 2012 and most of the 2013 GAA seasons and feeling a lot of discomfort in day to day living. I have undergone surgery twice previously (and am having some more minor surgery again this week) to try and cure the problem. I have had times where I’d experience pain when simply walking around at home and the injury has become a constant in my life for the last 27 months. As a result I have had to work on overcoming this obstacle, both in the physical sense through rehabilitation exercises, and mentally by employing coping mechanisms to ensure I continue to get better.'

You're talking about a former all-ireland senior and under 21 winning player and under 21 hurler of the year. Who just always found a way to win no matter what team he was on - a leader and intelligent hurler. Colossal loss to Tipp hurling - but it would be Rocky film stuff for him to come back and play with Tipp...

OAOB · 07-11-2015 1:16pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

As Seamus puts it himself:

'For the past 2 years, I have had a knee injury that has left me missing pretty much all of the 2011, 2012 and most of the 2013 GAA seasons and feeling a lot of discomfort in day to day living. I have undergone surgery twice previously (and am having some more minor surgery again this week) to try and cure the problem. I have had times where I’d experience pain when simply walking around at home and the injury has become a constant in my life for the last 27 months. As a result I have had to work on overcoming this obstacle, both in the physical sense through rehabilitation exercises, and mentally by employing coping mechanisms to ensure I continue to get better.'

When was that quote, it sounds similar to one I read from him in 2014 when he talked very openly about his injuries and how he was playing full back for the club because he hadn't mobility for any other position. From that interview I took it to be that his knee would never improve significantly but if he has progressed to midfield then it shows improvement.

Completely agree that it would be a comeback of rockyesque proportions but if he could stay healthy I do believe he could be managed in a manner that would give him a shot at intercounty. Improbable but not impossible

evolving tipperary · 07-11-2015 1:33pm

It's from his blog - maybe, 2013?

I think Tipp would be better off giving experience to and developing talent that is injury free and fresh in body for the long term - If Seamus got back to where he was he'd have to kick on again to make the team because he was never starting for Tipp as a regular in the championship.

evolving tipperary · 09-11-2015 4:01pm

Conor Ryan from Clonakenny....you poor man...that's a rough and unorthodox injury....

http://www.joe.ie/sport/pic-club-hurlers-hand-gets-impaled-by-a-helmet-graphic-content/518698?utm_content=buffere3092&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

09-11-2015 9:11pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Conor Ryan from Clonakenny....you poor man...that's a rough and unorthodox injury....

http://www.joe.ie/sport/pic-club-hurlers-hand-gets-impaled-by-a-helmet-graphic-content/518698?utm_content=buffere3092&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

Jeez howd he manage it? :eek:

Hard luck to Clonakenny who lost by a point. Golden lost their JFC game also.

09-11-2015 9:46pm

Best of luck Sars and Commercials on Sunday

buggy beag · 10-11-2015 12:13pm

Ya seen the pic.mad injury to get and i think he had to sleep with it on his arm until the next morning before they could operate.

shmeee · 10-11-2015 6:38pm

Gonna be an emotional day on and off the field for Thurles Sarsfielfs on Sunday, hopefully they can pull throw and do it. The loss of Jackie will be the driving force, they won't let him down I feel.

evolving tipperary · 11-11-2015 2:20am

I don't know how he managed it - but, I hope it never happens to anyone again. Horrible!

evolving tipperary · 11-11-2015 1:44pm

Ciaran McDonald named on the Compromise rules International squad =

[font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1111/741108-international-rules/[/font]

Paddico · 12-11-2015 3:21pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Ciaran McDonald named on the Compromise rules International squad =

[font=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1111/741108-international-rules/[/font]

Congrats to Ciaran

Paddico · 12-11-2015 3:23pm

County Board need to get these things right.

From the Irish Indo
"Clonmel fury over Tipp call to fix minor final"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/clonmel-fury-over-tipp-call-to-fix-minor-final-34189047.html

danganabu · 12-11-2015 7:02pm

Paddico wrote: »

County Board need to get these things right.

From the Irish Indo
"Clonmel fury over Tipp call to fix minor final"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/clonmel-fury-over-tipp-call-to-fix-minor-final-34189047.html

Nothing to do with the county board at all and Commercials should have done their homework before running to the national press!!

St. Mary's requested the match be played this Saturday as did Kildangan, county board merely facilitated the two participating clubs.

12-11-2015 9:00pm

danganabu wrote: »

Nothing to do with the county board at all and Commercials should have done their homework before running to the national press!!

St. Mary's requested the match be played this Saturday as did Kildangan, county board merely facilitated the two participating clubs.

Each club is as selfish as the other. If things were opposite way round and St Marys were playing on the Sunday id guarantee Commercials wouldnt give a fúck about the young lads either.

The county board needs to be bigger and intervene here though. We're talking about player welfare and burnout. 2 massive games for each respective club. They deserve the bit of extra time and preparation but of course the players get lost in the madness that is the delegates of a board room and are mere missiles in a war of attrition.

We've had ridiculous situations all over Ireland recently where clubs are playing on a Saturday and Sunday. Take Stradbally of Waterford last week who won the county final on Friday night and 'only' had to play none other than Nemo Rangers the following night.

danganabu · 12-11-2015 9:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The county board needs to be bigger and intervene here though. We're talking about player welfare and burnout. 2 massive games for each respective club. They deserve the bit of extra time and preparation but of course the players get lost in the madness that is the delegates of a board room and are mere missiles in a war of attrition

Not as simple as that gunner, the reason Mary's want to play it this weekend is that they are still in the South U21 Hurling so they are going to have to have a double weekend either this weekend or next.

Have it this weekend and two players are affected, two players that didn't start the last Commercials game I might add, and only one made a substitute appearance. However if they have a double hurling weekend there are 8 players affected.

evolving tipperary · 12-11-2015 11:07pm

Some interesting comments from Declan Fanning here:

http://www.the42.ie/declan-fanning-eamon-oshea-tipperary-2437965-Nov2015/

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 13-11-2015 9:34am

no all irelands in the next ten years for tipp so.

I was never a big fan of oshea, 2014 is down to him 100% and thats not a compliment.
I have heard the players and ex players say stuff like Fanning is saying in that link, you would swear OShea was the second coming of Babs and he was leaving after winning 2 all irelands.
Tipp under Declan Ryan and EOS are identical, just not good enough to beat kilkenny.

Declan ryan gets no thanks from the players, EOS gets great credit, Why?

My main issue with EOS is that he was big into giving the players 'ownership', basically meaning certain players pick the team and tactics.

For tipp to win an All Ireland in 2016, M Ryan needs to improve the midfield and the centre forward line.
To do so he will have to take back 'ownership' of the team from certain players, considering the players had a say in him getting the job, I think we can look forward to another year of failure.

The Lost Sheep · 13-11-2015 11:49am

Marlee Shrilling Vegetable wrote: »

no all irelands in the next ten years for tipp so.

I was never a big fan of oshea, 2014 is down to him 100% and thats not a compliment.
I have heard the players and ex players say stuff like Fanning is saying in that link, you would swear OShea was the second coming of Babs and he was leaving after winning 2 all irelands.
Tipp under Declan Ryan and EOS are identical, just not good enough to beat kilkenny.

Declan ryan gets no thanks from the players, EOS gets great credit, Why?

My main issue with EOS is that he was big into giving the players 'ownership', basically meaning certain players pick the team and tactics.

For tipp to win an All Ireland in 2016, M Ryan needs to improve the midfield and the centre forward line.
To do so he will have to take back 'ownership' of the team from certain players, considering the players had a say in him getting the job, I think we can look forward to another year of failure.

Is not being good enough to beat Kilkenny such a bad thing that we have to go OTT on the coach?
I don't think you understand what giving players ownership means if you think it means some players picking the team/tactics. Yes it means giving players more responsibility but not what you are trying to say it does at all....

Mantis Toboggan · 13-11-2015 12:12pm

Conor o mahony has announced his retirement!

13-11-2015 12:50pm

O'Mahony retires. Best of luck Conor and thanks for your dedication
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1113/741641-conor-omahony/

buggy beag · 13-11-2015 3:03pm

We are not entering the waterford cyrstal cup this year.probably better off id say.

The Lost Sheep · 13-11-2015 3:30pm

buggy beag wrote: »

We are not entering the waterford cyrstal cup this year.probably better off id say.

Why are we not entering and how are we better off not playing in it?

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 13-11-2015 3:35pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Is not being good enough to beat Kilkenny such a bad thing that we have to go OTT on the coach?
I don't think you understand what giving players ownership means if you think it means some players picking the team/tactics. Yes it means giving players more responsibility but not what you are trying to say it does at all....

How is going it OTT on the coach by stating the facts.
What is going OTT is declan fanning et al giving interviews where they build up EOS legacy to tipp hurling. What legacy?

buggy beag · 13-11-2015 3:51pm

The Lost Sheep wrote:

Why are we not entering and how are we better off not playing in it?

Dunno michael ryan said that were not entering this year.that we are going to be organising friendlies instead.i think thats the better option because i go to all the waterford cyrstal cup games and most are a waste of time.playing some college teams you learn absolutely nothing.most are dead rubber games and no preparation for the league.better off playing friendlies v the likes of wexford or offaly or whoever us availble.just my humble opinion.

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