More bad than good handling in shootouts
Starting with the idiocyin Westerns of hiding behind a saloon bar card table,that in a few scenes previously had been reduced to kindling in the fist fights by lads flying onto them.Either the things were made of 6inch thick oak which "might" stop a old BP round and would have broken peoples backs had they landed on them or they were plywood which wouldnt stop a .22.Not to mind the farsce of the high noon quick draw finale at about 50 meters in the main street.Anyone who ever botherd reading a bit about the really not so Wild West would find these shootouts happened in around 15 meters or were sorted out with sawn off shotguns,if they happened at all.

Idiotic positioning of people behind cars in shootouts.Leaning over the roof for support and leaving your entire torso exposed protected by only two car windows:eek:,hiding behind car doors or leaning over the bonnet is another favourite.Tip lads,the only bullet proof bit of a car is up front behind the engine block with your back up against the wheel and the noggin well below the bonnet.

People being shot and dramatically being pulled 12 foot backwards from the impact.While whoever fired this pocket howitzer is still standing there unaffected by the recoil.

Dumb poses while holding a firearm in a shooting situation,usually with the female intrest.Two handed , muzzle up slightly off 90 degrees.Called the boob pose..It is only done to give everyone a better view of the ladies ample ..ahem ..caliber.:o.Otherwise absolutely useless in a tactical shooting,and would have you flung off a range for unsafe gun handling.While we are about it."Gangsta"pointing of and holding the gun sideways with a curved arm in a sort of up and over position and thus negating using any sights whatsoever.

Getting shot,usually the hero gets a neat little hole drilled in the fleshy bit of the arm or muscle and continues manfuly on thru the rest of the film..Not writhing on the floor in agony after getting a mass energy dump that has proably riped thru god alone knows what ligaments cartlidge and bone.

Silencers 4ins in length on revolvers or 50 cal rifles that make a discreet "Phutt" sound.Ridicilous and amusing rifle scope reticles with numbers,and God alone knows what else on the glass and needing a doctorate to figure out WTF its supposed to do:P
People shooting pistol gripped only pump action shotguns with amazing accruacy and wholly and wrongly from the hip.
Folks coming out of jail or from wherever who haven held a handgun in ages being total crack shots in an instant.Or being to handle the latest bit of hardware without fumbling for saftey catches,mag releases etc,within seconds of picking it up.

Assh*e actors like Liam Neeson or Micheal Douglas who have no problem starring in carnage fests and making millions from waving guns around and shooting heaps of bad guys on screen and then trurning round and saying its the guns fault and no one should have guns for protection or shooting,and that people know the difference between films and reality.....While they have armed security on their person or million dollar Hollywood properties.

In fairness there are some actors too who are very pro gun too and catch flack for it.Charlton Heston,Tom Selleck,Sly Stallone,Samuel L Jackson,Robert De Niro[NYC carry permit]Whoopi Goldberg,Brad Pitt Angelia Jolie,Christian Slater.Last seven being ALL card carying Democrats and liberals.

Indeed the fiction factory that is Hollywood does have alot to answer for our woes as gun owners globally.:mad::mad:

Selleck most deffo,as he owned and took down Rosie O Donnell[Fat ,ugly loudmouth total anti gun, no talent actress,talkshow host... If Family Guy and the Simpsons take the mick out of you ,you know you suck] and was virtually ostracised from Hollywwod for a few years because of it.
Samuel L ,because he grew up around them in the southern states and not in South LA and considerd them things for putting grub on the table.Not for shooting at people[Klu Klux Klan being the proable exception:P]

There aren't many good examples.
Anyone remember Gregory 'Atticus' Peck dropping the rabid dog on the middle of a residential street in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'?

About the only film I can think of that has hunting in a relatively positive light is "The ghost and the darkness."
Pity no one ever in Hollywood read Wilbur Smith,there are some exellent hunting stories there set in Africa that have hunting in a positive light and would make great films.

I always liked the *actual* hunting scene from the deerhunter, but the problem is, well, all of the rest of the movie.


Also: Dude, if the prop guns used in Predator were the thing that gave you the most pause, I think you must have been watching the film with your eyes shut

sfakiaman wrote: »

You mean you don't believe in aliens, I'm so disappointed in you!

Aliens shmaliens, I don't believe in Arnold Schwarzenegger. I mean, some things are just too outlandish to believe in without proof.

Although the M16/Remington 870 O/U shotgun combo carried by the American Indian scout Billy[Sonny Landham] is doable and would be a serious "Get off my lawn" gun:)

sfakiaman wrote: »

What always gets me is seeing people shooting the Vulcan minigun from the hip as in Predator V some other yoke.

In the year 1987 the movie "Predator" (starring A. Schwarznegger) hit the screens. One of the most impressive scenes was the one where the US Commandos, led by "Dutch" (Schwarznegger), attempted to fight back the alien Predator. One of Commandos was armed with the distinctive weapon, a 6-barreled rotary Minigun, fed from backpack ammo box. This gave the impression that the Miniguns can be used for infantry support. It must be noted, that in this movie a special, blank firing version of the Minigun was sued. The electric motor was powered via cable, hidden in the actor's pants, and the actor had to carry bulletproof vest and protective mask to avoid injuries from the fast and violently ejecting empty cases. Had this gun being fired using real ammunition, the actor would ended lying on his back, being forced off the legs by the violent recoil. The "backpack" ammo capacity, also, could be worth only several seconds of fire. lets calculate: 2 000 rounds of 5.56mm ammo will weight about 25 kg (55 lbs); 2 000 rounds of 7.62mm will weight about 2 times more, making such load almost impossible to carry on foots. yet this load of ammo will worth only 20 or so seconds of fire. Add some powerful batteries to power electrical drive of about 4KWt (4+ horse-power), and the bulk of the gun itself, and you'll see that even the strongest man won't be able to carry this load, less to fire it with any chance to hit, due to extremely powerful recoil.

Boom. There goes my amazement at someone walking around with a minigun.
But surely Arnie could've pulled it off, sure it'd only be light training for him

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The Remington under the M16 would leave the entire outfit seriously front heavy, though? Ypu would need all them muscles to cary it one handed. Imagine 8 or 10 three inch cartridges of 46g 0 buckshot, all hanging out in front. Also, due to the Magazine of the M16 getting in the way, you would be liable to have your trigger finger broken while cycling and firing........ looks purposeful though!

The more I look at that pic ,the shotgun looks very much like a mossberg 500!
In which case it would be useless or very fiddley as the mossberg has a tang safety not a side button Standard tube of 5 rounds. So its not overly heavy,but if you want heavy, some lad has built a AR 15 with a saiga 12 10 shot box loaded shotgun. I gather you are supposed to shoot this like the M16/M203 grenade launcher.In that you use the mag well and mag as the pistol grip and the 16's but stock serves as normal. Be more handy for urban door breaching than jungle warfare tho.But hey I guess it looked cool to some director someplace and that's all that matters.

tomtucker81 wrote: »

Boom. There goes my amazement at someone walking around with a minigun.
But surely Arnie could've pulled it off, sure it'd only be light training for him

Hey anyone who can weild a SPAS12 and AR 18 by the pistol grips as nonchalantly as he did in Terminator in the police station shoot out is someone who has got some serious arm strength. ..Wonder how he reloaded both guns tho in that firefight?must have been tricky even for a robot from er... right about now?? Wasn't it 2014 or 15 when SKYNET supposedly sent the terminator back to 1984?

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Hey anyone who can weild a SPAS12 and AR 18 by the pistol grips as nonchalantly as he did in Terminator in the police station shoot out is someone who has got some serious arm strength. ..Wonder how he reloaded both guns tho in that firefight?must have been tricky even for a robot from er... right about now?? Wasn't it 2014 or 15 when SKYNET supposedly sent the terminator back to 1984?

I don't think the terminator was too worried about momentarily stopping to reload against humans!

And i just checked the dates of the terminator being sent back.....there is much debate online!!
But it does seem to centre around 2029 so we're ok for now.

tomtucker81 wrote: »

I don't think the terminator was too worried about momentarily stopping to reload against humans!

And i just checked the dates of the terminator being sent back.....there is much debate online!!
But it does seem to centre around 2029 so we're ok for now.

You would wonder....Considering that some jokers have already mounted a 12 gauge FA shotgun to civilian drones and sold it to US law enforcement . For riot control .The FAA is changing the laws on aviation to include drones but intrestingly enough giving the dept of homeland security and law enforcement carte blanche to fly these wherever they want in US airspace.The more advanced of these hobby drones can now fly halfway across the US and are getting a decent payload capability.
Add artifical intelligence to that package which is getting closer year by year ,some estimate 2020 ,and you have your first autonomus hunter killer drone.
Hopefully someone is meantime developing a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range in either restricted or unrestricted versions.

But are they self cognisant Sparks?;)And if so are they progerammed with Asimovs laws on robots?

And speaking of Terminator ... 3 freakin 1 years later since I saw the first one.[OMG I'm getting old!:eek:]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62E4FJTwSuc&feature=youtu.be

He always said he would be back.:pac: