BMW 4 Series

Shane732 wrote: »

Am I missing something? Why on earth is a 4 Series 320 M Sport €60K?

There's a 3 Series 328i that's €49k and a 5 series 535 that's €68k.

I'm lost.

They are trying to differentiate it I suppose. I was playing around on the configurator recently and specced up a 330d M Sport saloon with an awful lot of extras and it wasnt more than that 320 price. Seems way too expensive for what it is.

Is it me or diesels got higher emisions then Petrols? And the emisionsare insanely low?

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

True dat SH! According to that chart, the 420d emissions is 60.1 g/km and the 435i is 35.8 g/km.

Has the time come where petrols will be the ones bought instead of diesels and we will finally be able to look forward to enjoying nice cars in a few years time again????

No because everyone will be on electricity

robbie99 wrote: »

Model description|Manual RRP|Manual OTR|Manual VRT Band|Auto RRP|Auto OTR|Auto VRT Band|Power (hp)|0-100kmh (secs)|Combined (mpg)|CO2 emissions (g/km)
428i SE|€50,250|€51,100|C|€52,607|€53,457|C|245|5.9|(5.8)|42.8|(44.8)|154|(147)
428i Sport|€52,630|€53,480|C|€54,987|€55,837|C|245|5.9|(5.8)|42.8|(44.8)|154|(147)
428i Modern|€52,630|€53,480|C|€54,987|€55,837|C|245|5.9|(5.8)|42.8|(44.8)|154|(147)
428i Luxury|€54,210|€55,060|C|€56,567|€57,417|C|245|5.9|(5.8)|42.8|(44.8)|154|(147)
428i M Sport|€57,620|€58,470|D|€57,361|€58,211|C|245|5.9|(5.8)|42.2|(44.1)|156|(149)
435i Luxury|€68,430|€69,280|E|€68,458|€69,308|D|306|5.4|(5.1)|35.8|(39.2)|185|(169)
435i M Sport|€69,290|€70,140|E|€71,850|€72,700|E|306|5.4|(5.1)|34.9|(38.2)|189|(172)
420d SE|€46,280|€47,130|B1|€48,510|€49,360|B1|184|7.5|(7.3)|60.1|(61.4)|124|(121)
420d Sport|€48,530|€49,380|B1|€50,760|€51,610|B1|184|7.5|(7.3)|60.1|(61.4)|124|(121)
420d Modern|€48,530|€49,380|B1|€50,760|€51,610|B1|184|7.5|(7.3)|60.1|(61.4)|124|(121)
420d Luxury|€50,030|€50,880|B1|€52,260|€53,110|B1|184|7.5|(7.3)|60.1|(61.4)|124|(121)
420d M Sport|€50,780|€51,630|B1|€53,010|€53,860|B1|184|7.5|(7.3)|58.9|(60.1)|127|(124)

Table is messed up (at least for me) as CO2 is missing and 0-100kph (whatever the brackets signify, auto or manual?) are showing under combined MPG and CO2 column is showing MPG.

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

True dat SH! According to that chart, the 420d emissions is 60.1 g/km and the 435i is 34.9 g/km.

Has the time come where petrols will be the ones bought instead of diesels and we will finally be able to look forward to enjoying nice cars in a few years time again????

See above, the table is missing a column... there isnt a hope either the 420d or the 435i hits either emission quoted or that the petrol is lower per g/KM (its lower per litre, which isnt counted by Irish taxation).

420d figures from BMW.com:

Urban in l/100 km 6.0 - 5.8 [5.6 - 5.4]
Extra-urban in l/100 km 4.1 [4.2 - 4.1]
Combined in l/100 km 4.8 - 4.7 [4.7 - 4.6]
CO2 emissions in g/km 127 - 124 [124 - 121]

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/4series/coupe/2013/showroom/technical_data/index.html

This one for €60k, http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/4-Series/420d-M-S/37113818270395090/advert?channel=CARS

if you wanted to buy it new for January...

420d M Sport OTR Auto|€53,860
Estoril Blue|€967
19" Wheels|€1,005
Professional Media Package|€1,500
Sports Auto|€201
Reversing camera|€495
Walnut trim| ??
Electric Front Sports Seats + Driver Memory|€1,417
Extended Storage|€232
Split Folding Rear Seats|€255

€58,591

These cars are only in a few weeks and AFAIK, dealer's aren't allowed to sell on any demo models within 3 months. Besides, if anyone's desperate enough to want one right now why let them go for anything less than a premium?

Still not bad, still only €750 a year to tax a fooken 435i :mad:

Still not bad, still only €750 a year to tax a fooken 435i

Im not sure about the 335 or 535 in 2008, what tax they are on, but the 330 and 530 are at E750... Yeah you can get "cheap tax" on a new 435, sure the depreciation will only be god knows what a year, what a steal :rolleyes:

yea columns are a bit off methinks -

'Combined mpg' is prob '0-100kmph secs (auto)'
'C02 emissions..' should be 'Combined mpg'
and then just missing the actual CO2 emissions column, and figures

Idbatterim wrote: »

the below puts things into perspective, you can buy a **** new 428 SE for 52,000 and look at the below, and the 428 is **** in comparison to the below, I dont care about the age, we are merely comparing cars...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-645-ci-2004/5874238

so your saving what E1500 a year on tax. How much is the depreciation and loan interest (if applicable costing) and if you actually have 52k or more in cash to purchase these cars outright, why the hell would you be looking at a 428 etc...

But you're not comparing the car. You're comparing the engine. Would you say a 435i is **** in comparison?

But there are a lot of people who want a new car, have the money and have no interest in the power or running costs of a bigger engine. They want to drive a very nice, comfortable, well equipped and prestigious car but have no need for anything other than the 420d for instance.

Yeah I appreciate this, but when I hear about these cars and their "cheap running costs" its like a red flag to a bull at this stage, the running costs if you are talking tax and fuel are cheap yes, the serious costs like depreciation and interest (if applicable) are not. They are vastly more expensive to own for the first few years than say a 2005, 645 or 745... Yet the ones driving these actual flagship cruisers, with their outrageous motor tax :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:: are the lunatics...

Likewise the poster complaining about the emissions based 335 motor tax rate, comparing the CC to emissions based. I drive a 325ci, believe me I can sure as hell afford a "cheap tax" car, even a bmw if I want one, here comes to problem though, it wont be the one I want, i.e a decent 6 pot, m sport, good spec etc, I think people want to have their cake and eat it...

prestigious car

In relation to this, the 645 is a far more prestigious car in my opinion, I would look at them and go WOW, that is some machine and know the driver is obviously into the car etc... I would look at the 428 for example and appreciate it as in its design and more toys gadget than possibly a 645 etc, but in terms of prestige there is no comparison in my opinion... And I dont have some vendetta against the new 4 series, to back this up, here is what I posted a few weeks ago on bmwdrivernet...

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10727&page=1238 (my username on it is beaumont by the way)

You are happy with an older car and bigger engine. Some people will pay top dollar for a brand new coupé with a 4-pot 2.0 diesel. Some will want a new 650.

They just want a different kind of cake from you.

What I am saying is, people on the old CC rates paying E1809 in motor tax, can definitely afford an emissions based car, we here all the bitching about motor tax, but they obviously put the car / drive before this, which is fine, just dont bitch about it. We all knew / know the bloody ridiculous rates here based on CC on larger engined cars, they werent just foisted on us overnight, yes they have risen in recent years, but the rates were ridiculous then and they ridiculous now (just even more so)...

Also motor tax is the reason these 7,8,9 year old beauties have to get virtually given away, so it is a two way street...

They just want a different kind of cake from you.

No, I have my nice car, but have high motor tax. I'm not having my cake and eating it. If you want the nice car & lower tax, go out buy it and pay it in way higher purchase price, and lose out that way, there is no win / win...

Actually there is a win / win, have enough money that it doesnt make a difference to you...