15-year-old dead and four others injured in Dublin crash

MarkR · 21-12-2014 12:09pm #1

A 15-year-old has died and four other teenagers are in hospital following a crash in Dublin last night.
It happened at around 10pm at Station Road in Clondalkin when the car they were travelling in collided with a tree.
The four other occupants of the car, all male and aged between 14 and16 years, have been taken to hospital.

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I feel sorry for the families, but find it hard to feel the same for those in the car. None of them over 16, so either stolen, or "just" driving around with no insurance. Seems to be no real repercussions for youth crime like this. No point in locking them up either, that will just institutionalize them.

I'm thinking chain gang cleaning roads or something else visible, and worthwhile to the community.

What would you do (seriously) to the remaining kids?

whupdedo · 21-12-2014 12:10pm

Tough **** imo

bladespin · 21-12-2014 12:15pm

TBH as a parent (of much younger kids) I really believe the parents should be responsible, or at least to some reasonable extent, when underage kids break the law (not inferring that is the case here).

Still a child dead on the run to Christmas, harsh lesson there alone.

tayto lover · 21-12-2014 12:19pm

Very sad incident but responsible parents should know where their 15 year old children are at 10 p.m.at night.

Comhrá · 21-12-2014 12:21pm

sugarman wrote: »

Boo hoo

What if that tree they collided with was a family car coming home from doing their Christmas shopping?

I don't have the answers either but 'Boo hoo' isn't very sensitive or helpful.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 21-12-2014 12:22pm

Is the tree ok?

greasepalm · 21-12-2014 12:22pm

aye no respect for rules or life ,hope the tree recovers as it did not do anything wrong,if parents cant control them,swift justice was served.

Owryan · 21-12-2014 12:25pm

Natures way of protecting the gene pool. My sympathies to their families but hope the tree makes a full recovery

Gosub · 21-12-2014 12:27pm

My heartfelt sorrow and deep condolences go out to the owner of the car. It must be tough losing your transport at this time of the year.

EazyD · 21-12-2014 12:27pm

Meh, no licence, no insurance and clearly no regard for anyone else but themselves. Hard to muster any sympathy tbh, easily could have been a family they took out.

Breffnigolfer · 21-12-2014 12:39pm

sugarman wrote: »

Boo hoo

What if that tree they collided with was a family car coming home from doing their Christmas shopping?

How about you deal with what happened and not some hypothetical scenario which did not?

(If the family was coming home without having been Christmas shopping would it be better or worse?)

Spook_ie · 21-12-2014 12:40pm

Well considering rapists, murderers etc don't have capital punishment imposed on them, I must say some of the posts are the usual knee jerk KB warrior comments.

visual · 21-12-2014 12:51pm

Owryan wrote: »

Natures way of protecting the gene pool. My sympathies to their families but hope the tree makes a full recovery

Gene pool ? money and who you know doesn't make the elite or "want to be's" superior in anyway.just more fortunate as they take advantage of what's on offer while excluding those less fortunate.

Ask yourself why so many young lads where in that stolen car.

I don't condone their actions but there is a deeper problem than just a stolen car with kids driving around in it.

tayto lover · 21-12-2014 12:53pm

visual wrote: »

Gene pool ? money and who you know doesn't make the elite or "want to be's" superior in anyway.just more fortunate as they take advantage of what's on offer while excluding those less fortunate.

Ask yourself why so many young lads where in that stolen car.

I don't condone their actions but there is a deeper problem than just a stolen car with kids driving around in it.

Apparently the car was not stolen ??

Kenny Logins · 21-12-2014 12:55pm

Considering this is a motoring forum (before it gets moved to AH), I wonder how many posters in here took a sneaky spin in their parents' car at that age...

greasepalm · 21-12-2014 12:59pm

nope i had a respect for parents car and did not drive until 16 or 17

smokie72 · 21-12-2014 1:00pm

I know that spot fairly well. They would have gone over the railway bridge and that spot is at the bottom of the railway bridge so they would have been picking up speed before they hit the tree. Probably not wearing any seatbelts either. If they didn't hit the tree they probably would have ploughed into the side of a house which is in james connelly estate or killed anybody who was driving or walking towards the bridge. Either way not the news any family wants to hear at any time of the year. Rip

Kenny Logins · 21-12-2014 1:05pm

greasepalm wrote: »

nope i had a respect for parents car and did not drive until 16 or 17

That was a rhetorical question, about how many DID, so not sure what your point is...

efb · 21-12-2014 1:35pm

Can't believe some of the posts here, the death penalty is a tough sentence for joy riding. My sympathies to the lads familes. It's tough losing someone, especially at Christmas

yosser hughes · 21-12-2014 1:38pm

visual wrote: »

Gene pool ? money and who you know doesn't make the elite or "want to be's" superior in anyway.just more fortunate as they take advantage of what's on offer while excluding those less fortunate.

Ask yourself why so many young lads where in that stolen car.

I don't condone their actions but there is a deeper problem than just a stolen car with kids driving around in it.

What was not on offer to these kids?

masti123 · 21-12-2014 1:39pm

I know the lads who were in the car last night. Maybe the car was robbed, it doesn't mean a 15 year old kid deserved to die a few days before Christmas just because he got into a car.

Alias G · 21-12-2014 1:43pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Considering this is a motoring forum (before it gets moved to AH), I wonder how many posters in here took a sneaky spin in their parents' car at that age...

I'd say very few to be fair. Hardly that common to be stealing your parents car unless you were a right upstart of a kid

degrassinoel · 21-12-2014 1:46pm

masti123 wrote: »

I know the lads who were in the car last night. Maybe the car was robbed, it doesn't mean a 15 year old kid deserved to die a few days before Christmas just because he got into a car.

Totally agree.

Everyone was young once and made some stupid mistakes, we all did. There is a grieving family out there today who's child wont be around for Christmas. It's just a shame that this resulted in a death, and lucky it didn't result in even more carnage.

anewme · 21-12-2014 1:49pm

I also know the area very well and having seen the point of impact, they must have been doing some speed and ploughed into a residential area.

It is really by grace of God that no innocent person either pedestrian or motorist was killed.

Kenny Logins · 21-12-2014 1:50pm

anewme wrote: »

I also know the area very well and having seen the point of impact, they must have been doing some speed and ploughed into a residential area.

It is really by grace of God that no innocent person either pedestrian or motorist was killed.

God should really have had a word before they took the car.

degrassinoel · 21-12-2014 1:52pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

God should really have had a word before they took the car.

If you say so

Greenmachine · 21-12-2014 1:52pm

Live by the sword die by it.

Gits_bone · 21-12-2014 1:52pm

The first few comments in this are sickening.

Just because they may have stolen the car and it happening in Clondalkin there's no sympathy. No one deserves to be taken off the earth.

LawlessBoy · 21-12-2014 1:56pm

Gits_bone wrote: »

The first few comments in this are sickening.

Just because they may have stolen the car and it happening in Clondalkin there's no sympathy. No one deserves to be taken off the earth.

Have to agree at the end of the say there's a 15 year old boy dead who won't be around this Christmas with a grieving family.

Kenny Logins · 21-12-2014 1:57pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

If you say so

Sorry, quoted the wrong post.

Music Box · 21-12-2014 2:01pm

Car wasn't stolen, ie reported stolen. If taken without parents consent then equivalent to stealing. Who was the owner of the car? Had they knowledge that 5 yahoos had taken it and were out of control in a public area. I suppose someone to blame will now be looked for. Thankfully nobody outside the car was hurt.

alias no.9 · 21-12-2014 2:08pm

There are loads of instances where lamp posts, traffic lights and roadsigns are taken out by joyriders for a laugh.

The size of the tree makes me suspect that this may be a deliberate crash, pushing the boundaries a little further but they've discovered that even the smallest of trees is anchored much much better than a lamp post.
Every driver on the road would do well to reflect on how little damage was done to the tree.

anewme · 21-12-2014 2:08pm

Music Box wrote: »

Thankfully nobody outside the car was hurt.

This is the real point.

21-12-2014 2:31pm

alias no.9 wrote: »

The size of the tree makes me suspect that this may be a deliberate crash

I'd be doubtful of that... but that's just me.

Either way, I'd be in the 'no sympathy' boat. (well, no sympathy for anyone in the car, deceased included. I do feel a bit sad for the family though, as they're the ones who'll have this hanging over their head every christmas for the rest of the lives).

A little cop on goes a long way.

TheQuietFella · 21-12-2014 2:37pm

tippman1 wrote: »

I don't have the answers either but 'Boo hoo' isn't very sensitive or helpful.

Yes he is!

http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-gsoc-crash-1743203-Oct2014/

jimmynokia · 21-12-2014 2:39pm

Apparently these guys mowed a dog down too, and they bought the car,the original owner of the car would be now in trouble?
I hope this sends out a message for others looking to have some fun in car,no way to go at such a young age,but they had enough knowledge to know it was wrong in the first place..

alias no.9 · 21-12-2014 2:44pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd be doubtful of that... but that's just me.

Either way, I'd be in the 'no sympathy' boat. (well, no sympathy for anyone in the car, deceased included. I do feel a bit sad for the family though, as they're the ones who'll have this hanging over their head every christmas for the rest of the lives).

A little cop on goes a long way.

If you saw how often lamp posts are taken out for fun it's not a big jump to see this as raising the stakes.

Jawgap · 21-12-2014 2:54pm

efb wrote: »

Can't believe some of the posts here, the death penalty is a tough sentence for joy riding. My sympathies to the lads familes. It's tough losing someone, especially at Christmas

masti123 wrote: »

I know the lads who were in the car last night. Maybe the car was robbed, it doesn't mean a 15 year old kid deserved to die a few days before Christmas just because he got into a car.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Well considering rapists, murderers etc don't have capital punishment imposed on them, I must say some of the posts are the usual knee jerk KB warrior comments.

Nobody, as far as I can see, is mandating capital punishment for 'joy riding' - only that it's difficult to muster up any sympathy for the young fellah concerned.

I certainly don't feel sorry for him - I do feel very sorry for their families and friends who will no doubt grieve for them. And I feel very sorry for the emergency services who had to extricate them from the wreckage and for the hospital staff who had to treat them.

It seems to me that if they hadn't been as stupid and reckless as they were they wouldn't be in the position they are now and this thread wouldn't exist.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-12-2014 2:59pm

No real loss to society and I've no sympathy for the families either as they're as much responsible as their scumbag off spring. Parent of kids under 16 years old should know where they are at all times and make sure that at that time of night they're st he and not out causing trouble. It's just fortunate no innocent people were hurt or killed.

Gits_bone · 21-12-2014 3:02pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No real loss to society and I've no sympathy for the families either as they're as much responsible as their scumbag off spring. Parent of kids under 16 years old should know where they are at all times and make sure that at thstvtone of night they're st he and not out causing trouble. It's just fortunate no innocent people were hurt or killed.

I suppose you have no sympathy for parents who accidentally drive over their own child reversing out of a driveway or you have no sympathy for the parents of the children who got raped in Athlone last year? Answer that.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 21-12-2014 3:09pm

Gits_bone wrote: »

I suppose you have no sympathy for parents who accidentally drive over their own child reversing out of a driveway or you have no sympathy for the parents of the children who got raped in Athlone last year? Answer that.

Absolutely no comparison between those incidents and this.

shruikan2553 · 21-12-2014 3:11pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

Totally agree.

Everyone was young once and made some stupid mistakes, we all did. There is a grieving family out there today who's child wont be around for Christmas. It's just a shame that this resulted in a death, and lucky it didn't result in even more carnage.

Theres mistakes and theres illegal life threatening mistakes. We all made mistakes but rarely does someone do something as dangerous to others.

AboutaWeekAgo · 21-12-2014 3:12pm

Jesus. This thread is a bit much for a Sunday..

End of the day there's a 15 year old dead, horrible thing to happen any time of the year but even worse so close to Christmas.

DeanAustin · 21-12-2014 3:18pm

Some proper c**ts in this thread.

Very sad incident. There are no winners and comments like "hope the tree is ok" are just disgusting.

Sometimes it's best to say nothing.

Strong Life in Dublin · 21-12-2014 3:24pm

sugarman wrote: »

Boo hoo

What if that tree they collided with was a family car coming home from doing their Christmas shopping?

ffs get a life, they were aged between 14 - 16

tom_tarbucket · 21-12-2014 3:24pm

Tiana Inexpensive Streptomycin wrote: »

Absolutely no comparison between those incidents and this.

well said.

I have no remorse whatsoever for the lad that died. another scumbag gone off this earth. good riddance.

I'm sure if he survived, he would have been an upstanding member of society and contributed a lot to life...........NOT.

roll on the do gooders now........

Little CuChulainn · 21-12-2014 3:25pm

masti123 wrote: »

I know the lads who were in the car last night. Maybe the car was robbed, it doesn't mean a 15 year old kid deserved to die a few days before Christmas just because he got into a car.

I bet they're the same fellas that were cheering when a Garda car got rammed head on a few weeks ago not far from where this crash was. The crash last night nearly took out a pedestrian on the other side of the tree afaik. Their kind have no regard for other lives so why should people have any regard for theirs?

Charlie19 · 21-12-2014 3:27pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No real loss to society and I've no sympathy for the families either as they're as much responsible as their scumbag off spring. Parent of kids under 16 years old should know where they are at all times and make sure that at that time of night they're st he and not out causing trouble. It's just fortunate no innocent people were hurt or killed.

Posts like this is why I generally stay clear of after hours. The sad thing is that you're probably not even trying to troll.

21-12-2014 3:27pm

Gits_bone wrote:

I suppose you have no sympathy for parents who accidentally drive over their own child reversing out of a driveway or you have no sympathy for the parents of the children who got raped in Athlone last year? Answer that.

not comparing like for like really

Jawgap · 21-12-2014 3:28pm

Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »

ffs get a life, they were aged between 14 - 16

Out of interest, what has that got to do with anything?

nc19 · 21-12-2014 3:28pm

efb wrote: »

Can't believe some of the posts here, the death penalty is a tough sentence for joy riding. My sympathies to the lads familes. It's tough losing someone, especially at Christmas

Do you know the best way to avoid dieing in a car on a joyride????

Dont joyride.........

15-year-old dead and four others injured in Dublin crash

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