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RTE Announce FTA Saorsat service

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  • #1902
    satwyn
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭satwyn


    how much do you reckon the signal has dropped by my lnb has been taken off the dish and can't test at the moment anyone else noticed a signal drop i needed a 1.2m dish for a lock here i also tried a 1m without success but it was only a quick test


  • #1903
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    They will use the minimum signal power for rain margin on the dish size recommend they pick as less power is cheaper and less overspill.

    Ice or moisture high up you can't see will change the signal a lot though too.


  • #1904
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    About ~20% signal drop I reckon. I could previously get a signal lock on an 80cm Lidl dish, including in rain. No signal lock at all at weekend, even when dry (although very overcast) - I'm not aware of the signal being blocked by trees etc.

    Obviously, a proper LNBF such as the Inverto with depolariser would perform significantly better than the Hughes LNB I'm using.

    The Saorsat signal peak has certainly been reduced relative to the two data transponder peaks on a spectrum analyzer - I'll see if I can post current and previous spectra for comparison in a few days.


  • #1905
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Noob question.

    Will there be a box released that will unite UK Freesat with a decent EPG and Soarsat with it's EPG?


  • #1906
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Noob question.

    Will there be a box released that will unite UK Freesat with a decent EPG and Soarsat with it's EPG?





    Any takers?


  • #1907
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Will there be a box released that will unite UK Freesat with a decent EPG and Soarsat with it's EPG?
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Any takers?

    Simple answer - no one knows for sure.


  • #1908
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Probably not. AFAIK current FreeSat boxes need to be switched into non-FreeSat mode to view other channels and there are differences in recording and EPG facilities. There is 3rd party software available for some boxes that merges FreeSat and non-FreeSat but that is always a gamble. FreeSat is intended purely for the UK market so would not and should not support SaorSat, which is intended purely for the Irish market. It would be a legal minefield. SaorSat wont be available in most of UK so the only market for such a box would be very limited.


  • #1909
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I agree it's unlikely, but not impossible.

    In any rate you need Freesat for ITV as TV3 are broke so unlikely to pay the small extra charge to carry TV3 & 3E on Saorsat. It's likely TV3 pays nothing to have TV3 and 3E carried on Sky, as Sky benefits. A Company (TV3) prepared to be in breach of Licence to save money and only be on 80% for Analogue is not going to pay for DTT backup or for coverage via Satellite for 5% more people. So when a DTT site's terrestrial feed fails the DTT will still have all the DTT channels via aerial except TV3 and 3E.

    RTE are likely to confirm details of Saorsat in next few weeks.

    The Irish & UK Governments claim they are going to co-ordinate on Digital Compatibility, so politically for N.I. market there may be DTT and Sat boxes that do both EPGs at same time.


  • #1910
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    watty wrote: »
    The Irish & UK Governments claim they are going to co-ordinate on Digital Compatibility, so politically for N.I. market there may be DTT and Sat boxes that do both EPGs at same time.

    Ah I can see it now...

    The McGiuness Robinson Combo box. :)

    That would be sweet.



    Thanks for the replies.


  • #1911
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    This from the latest RTÉNL-Saorview FAQ rev.6 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76732189#post76732189
    RTÉNL has been transmitting test signals on this new satellite service since December 2011. RTÉNL expects the channel line up to be confirmed, and the SAORSAT service to be formally live, in February or March of 2012. Suitable consumer equipment (Set-Top-Boxes and dishes) will be available in retailers by this time.

    Short piece on this in Broadband TV News today
    Saorsat to launch in February

    10.00 Europe/London, January 26, 2012 By Julian Clover

    Saorsat, the free-to-air satellite companion to Ireland’s DTT service Saorview, is slated to launch this February or March.

    Documents released by RTÉNL, the network’s division of the public broadcaster, said tests have been underway since December 2011. Saorsat will be carried on Eutelsat’s Ka-Sat at 9 degrees East.

    It is anticipated that suitable receivers will be available within the next few weeks.

    Around 1% and 2% of the Irish population will be unable to receive the terrestrial transmissions from Saorview. It also seems likely the transmissions will also be made available in Northern Ireland, while a joint UK and Irish Government project is currently examining the possibility of allowing the existing RTÉ and TG4 television services to be carried on part of the UK’s Freeview platform.

    http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/01/26/saorsat-to-launch-in-february/


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  • #1912
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Ah I can see it now...

    The McGiuness Robinson Combo box. :)

    That would be sweet.



    Thanks for the replies.

    I didn't mean a Combo. I meant
    1) Saorview + Freeview HD, including dual tuner internal HDD PVR

    OR a box
    2) Saorsat + Freesat HD, including dual tuner internal HDD PVR

    3) A combo with both approvals of "Freesat HD" and "Saorview" is very much more unlikely.

    1 &2 are much simpler and applicable to many more products. For a start a Combo is more expensive hardware, especially a True PVR.

    A quad tuner DTT + Sat approved PVR is very very unlikely.


  • #1913
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I rang Onwave today to try and source myself a KA-Band LNB and I was told they have them in stock and that they will be selling them online by the end of next week for €25 + VAT so presuming with postage costs they will cost somewhere in the region of €35 - €40 a go, I can't wait to get one and experiment with it. There will be Youtube vids guys!

    I am well aware that there is nothing official yet as Watty said but am willing to risk it for +/- €40. I bought a TV back in 2009 specc'd with Mpeg4 for Saorview and my gamble back then paid off even though I have no proper Saorview today! I have a 1 Metre motorised dish which has been sitting idle with the last 12months since a storm threw it off alignment. I plan to remove the motor and align it permanently to 9.0E on Ka-Sat.

    I also have a Sky dish with four feeds into the house and the plan is to get a Diseqc switch and combine the SaorSat and Freesat signals into my Technomate 6900HD receiver. After analog switch-off I will get two more sat boxes for the kitchen and living room where I already have cabling ran.

    I have a Satlook Micro satellite meter and can align to standard KU-Band satellites no probs so I wonder how difficult will aligning to KA-Sat be? With a 1 metre dish would it be easier or harder? Could I align to 9E on KU and then swapout the KU for the new KA LNB? I am a hobbyist here and


  • #1914
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,878 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Could I align to 9E on KU and then swapout the KU for the new KA LNB?

    Yes that works and would probably be best for you. If your receiver is pre-programmed (after you set up the first one) I found there is so little on Ka it's really easy to align by hand. An ordinary meter will work with the KA LNB and only pick up a few sats.


  • #1915
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    A bigger dish is always harder to align than a smaller one, but it would also be easier to align the dish on Ku and switch to the Ka LNB.


  • #1916
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Stinicker wrote: »
    I rang Onwave today to try and source myself a KA-Band LNB and I was told they have them in stock and that they will be selling them online by the end of next week for €25 + VAT so presuming with postage costs they will cost somewhere in the region of €35 - €40 a go, I can't wait to get one and experiment with it. There will be Youtube vids guys!

    Thanks for the info Stinicker, Ciaran999 got two of them from Onwave earlier this month (must've know someone on the inside).
    Stinicker wrote: »
    I am well aware that there is nothing official yet as Watty said but am willing to risk it for +/- €40. I bought a TV back in 2009 specc'd with Mpeg4 for Saorview and my gamble back then paid off even though I have no proper Saorview today!

    Same here, got an MPEG-4 TV back in early 2008 (in anticipation that the standard was going to be MPEG-4) - working fine for Saorview almost 4 years later (except for MHEG-5 in the Ireland setting).


  • #1917
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Old spectrum grab with single data TP at 1374 MHz and the Saorsat TP beneath.
    9escan.jpg

    Current photo of same reference data TP at 1374 MHz, new data TP above. And a considerably reduced Saorsat TP beneath.

    new_spec.jpg


  • #1918
    dowtchaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭dowtchaboy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Ah I can see it now...

    The McGiuness Robinson Combo box. :)

    That would be sweet.



    Thanks for the replies.
    Maybe the Wee Free's Box might be a better name?:D


  • #1919
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Aligning a 1m on Ka is like 1.5m on Ku. It will need to be very stable and may be too much signal unless you offset the LNB.


  • #1920
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    watty wrote: »
    Aligning a 1m on Ka is like 1.5m on Ku. It will need to be very stable and may be too much signal unless you offset the LNB.

    Thanks for the info, I have never worked with anything bigger than 1m as I am only a hobbyist, but I have another 80cms dish I can use if I fail with the 1metre.

    I wonder would it be possible to use a zone 2 60cms Sky mini-dish with a KA LNB for Saorsat @ 9E or would the mesh in the Sky dish lead to signal degradation?


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  • #1921
    Charlie-Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    In theory, is it possible to align a 60cm triax dish, hooked up with two LNBs to get both Saorsat and Freesat?

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • #1922
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No, too small. Your separation is about 20 degrees (less really), so if you had same signal for both that would be 10 degrees off axis. Since BOTH services need on Axis LNBF and 65cm dish and signal level drops as you re-align off axis, you will have no rain margin if it works.

    Likely an 80cm dish is needed and in some places a 90cm or more for Eurobird channels.

    Even for Astra1 & Freesat (about 9 degrees, half as bad) dual feed a 65cm is too small for reliable operation on all transponders.


  • #1923
    satwyn
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭satwyn


    well looks like a bigger dish will be needed i will roll out my 1.8 prime focus precision dish to see if i get a signal lock the hughes lnb will be a bit fiddly to mount but things will improve when i get a proper lnbf i have been putting a polar mount together for the 1.8m dish so when the weather is ok i will bolt it on and see how i get on


  • #1924
    Charlie-Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Cheers Watty, at present are you aware of any standard bracket for Triax dish to holding two LNBs that will alow aligning of 9 degrees and 28.2 for the LNBs required? Or maybe that's a question for Tony!?

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • #1925
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Yes. There is a standard Triax part for Triax dishes (not the small dishes) that has four holders. The assembly drawing is for France/Germany. Here you mount it upside down to get more slope. the curve (-| dish is still the same. This is wrong curve )-| dish
    where ( is the bracket and | the dish and - the arm all viewed from top.

    The holders fit either way round and offset so that one LNB (say 19E) can be almost in line with arm.

    The maximum Arc I could get using the two end holders opposite way round was about 23 degrees. The required arc is a little less than 19.
    multifeed-ms.png
    see http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/

    I drilled a new hole so that the centre point is 16E rather than 19E to boost the 13E and 9E (they are closer to centre) which reduces the Sky/Freesat signal. But its a 90cm wide by 95cm tall Triax dish (not sure of model as it was a present from SES-Astra!). I may have bought the triax boom /adapter from satellite.ie (Tony) or someplace else. I was a few years ago.


  • #1926
    John896
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭John896


    That`s not good news for us here in Wales,i would put my 2.4m dish back on 9 East however.It`s on 26 East for the footy.
    satwyn wrote: »
    well looks like a bigger dish will be needed i will roll out my 1.8 prime focus precision dish to see if i get a signal lock the hughes lnb will be a bit fiddly to mount but things will improve when i get a proper lnbf i have been putting a polar mount together for the 1.8m dish so when the weather is ok i will bolt it on and see how i get on


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  • #1927
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,878 ✭✭✭zg3409


    A little birdie near Donnybrook said March 17th will be official launch.

    Probably rubbish, 2nd hand info, believe it at your peril. I wonder will Tommy and PJ get a green waistcoat for paddy's day big launch?


  • #1928
    satwyn
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭satwyn


    John896 wrote: »
    That`s not good news for us here in Wales,i would put my 2.4m dish back on 9 East however.It`s on 26 East for the footy.
    i have a floor mounted motorised 1.2m prodelin dish i'll give it a go on 9e rte over the next few days


  • #1929
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,878 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Another birdie from a different source (non RTENL) said it won't be called Saorsat...

    WON'T BE CALLED SAORSAT??


    ....


    wait for it


    ....


    ....


    new name

    ....

    don't you love marketing departments.....

    "Saorview via Sat"

    Yes apparantly someone somewhere reckons this is what it will be called. Someone needs to do a find "Saorsat" and replace all with "Saorview via Sat" for the entire thread :(

    I guess saorsat.ie will go unused, waste of taxpayers money. Only time will tell.

    I hope it won't end up being called "Saorview via Sat except for TV3 & 3E"!?


  • #1930
    ISAA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭ISAA


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Another birdie from a different source (non RTENL) said it won't be called Saorsat...

    WON'T BE CALLED SAORSAT??


    ....


    wait for it


    ....


    ....


    new name

    ....

    don't you love marketing departments.....

    "Saorview via Sat"

    Yes apparantly someone somewhere reckons this is what it will be called. Someone needs to do a find "Saorsat" and replace all with "Saorview via Sat" for the entire thread :(

    I guess saorsat.ie will go unused, waste of taxpayers money. Only time will tell.

    I hope it won't end up being called "Saorview via Sat except for TV3 & 3E"!?

    Saorview via sat domain name is gone already ?


  • #1931
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    ISAA wrote: »
    Saorview via sat domain name is gone already ?

    No, still available across all domains.


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  • #1932
    ISAA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭ISAA


    just checked with digiweb and the .ie domain is taken or so it says ?


  • #1933
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    ISAA wrote: »
    just checked with digiweb and the .ie domain is taken or so it says ?

    This from iedr
    % Not Registered - The domain you have requested (saorviewviasat.ie) is not a registered .ie domain name.


  • #1934
    ISAA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭ISAA


    justs check also and agree, so why is digiweb saying taken, does it take a few days to be registered ?


  • #1935
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,668 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    ISAA wrote: »
    does it take a few days to be registered ?

    This from the iedr FAQ
    19. How long does it take to register a .ie domain name?

    When the IEDR receive an application for a .ie domain name it is usually processed within 3 hours. If the registration requirements are meet immediately, the application will be accepted and the domain will go live in the following IE Zone Reload which occurs four times daily (10am/12pm/5pm/10pm). Should the registration requirements not have been meet in the initial application then an email notification will be sent to advise the applicant what is required to complete the application.

    http://www.domainregistry.ie/index.php/mnudomregs/mnuhowtoreg/51-regfaq


  • #1936
    ISAA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭ISAA


    Thanks, time will tell, or a digi mistake


  • #1937
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I guess RTENL chose Saorsat and the marketing people in RTE want Saorview via Sat, which while a mouthful...

    Freesat is NOT a copy at all of Freeview.


  • #1938
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    watty wrote: »
    I guess RTENL chose Saorsat and the marketing people in RTE want Saorview via Sat, which while a mouthful...

    Freesat is NOT a copy at all of Freeview.

    If they go with "Saorview via Sat" wouldn't they look pretty stupid if TV3 and 3e were not then included on Saorsat as some people have speculated might be the case due to TV3 and 3e's rights issues in Northern Ireland which will most likely fall under the Saorsat footprint of reception.


  • #1939
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Saorsat is for 2% to 5% of people that can't get Saorview and DTT site backup.

    TV3 never paid to go on all the Terrestrial Analogue sites and thus was unavailable to more than 15% of population, except by Sky!

    It's NOTHING to do with "rights"! It's penny pinching because they are broke from the Leveraged buyout. They just closed Galway studio to save money.

    When a DTT site feed fails, the viewers of that DTT site will lose TV3 & 3E.

    About 95%+ of people want UK TV. 82% have Pay TV to get that even though it's free. I think dual feed for satellite will be popular. People will have all the ITV channels and all the other UK Free channels from 28E.

    It's only TV3 that will look stupid.


  • #1940
    channnels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭channnels


    So is Saorsat a fill in service or a "game changer"? The only game I think will change is that I think TV3 will just sit and wait until RTE NL finally carry at least TV3 for free.


  • #1941
    channnels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭channnels


    watty wrote: »
    Saorsat is for 2% to 5% of people that can't get Saorview and DTT site backup.

    When a DTT site feed fails, the viewers of that DTT site will lose TV3 & 3E.

    About 95%+ of people want UK TV. 82% have Pay TV to get that even though it's free. I think dual feed for satellite will be popular. People will have all the ITV channels and all the other UK Free channels from 28E.

    It's only TV3 that will look stupid.

    I fully get the need for backup of DTT sites but disagree with your statement that Dual Feed will be popular - the vast majority of Irish viewers now have access to a high quality DTT signal so the obvious solution would have been for a dual Saorview Freesat box rather than some kind of Heath Robinsonian bodge with two dishes and slightly cooked Freesat firmware to allow integration of the two.

    RTE NL could have approved combos but so far haven't. From reading Watty's postings it would seem to me at least that RTE NL have decided to wait for Saorview Via Ka Sat at 9e before they "allow" the Irish public to have a choice of a reliable UK-IRL FTA solution. My opinion of course.

    And I also think TV3 will sit Saorsat out. Already they have far more coverage than ever and since the One vision debacle TV3 won't be in the mood to give RTE NL a digout. I think that they will just wait until RTE NL give them a free ride on Saorsat. And even if they don't go onto it they won't lose any sleep over it.


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  • #1942
    MarkK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭MarkK


    channnels wrote: »
    RTE NL could have approved combos but so far haven't.

    Which boxes are fully compatible combos but have not been approved?


  • #1943
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    So far no compliant Combo has been submitted and passed. RTENL don't develop or approve boxes. It's up to a manufacturer and Teracom Independent tests.

    A Saorview certified Combo that's not a true "Freesat HD" box IMO isn't a proper solution. There are ZERO "Freesat HD" combos, i.e. True "Freesat HD" box with ANY DTT tuner of any sort.


  • #1944
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    channnels wrote: »
    I fully get the need for backup of DTT sites but disagree with your statement that Dual Feed will be popular - the vast majority of Irish viewers now have access to a high quality DTT signal so the obvious solution would have been for a dual Saorview Freesat box rather than some kind of Heath Robinsonian bodge with two dishes and slightly cooked Freesat firmware to allow integration of the two.

    A quad tuner PVR box is greatly more expensive than dual tuner. Or DTT + Sat simple combo.

    A single dish works. We are talking about 5% of the Population. A combo DTT / Sat box does NOTHING for them. They need the Sat only dual feed anyway.

    There will be a certified combo that has partial Freesat HD ability. But there will not be a true Freesat HD/Saorview certified PVR (two + two tuners).


  • #1945
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    channnels wrote: »
    So is Saorsat a fill in service or a "game changer"?
    It's only meant to be a fill in service.

    After that, it all depends on how Saorsat+ and/or Freesat+ receivers function when combining the two. If you had one channel list, and full pvr (albeit without full epg on one of the services) then it may become a genuine option imo. I still think a saorview certfied combo is going to be the biggest game changer.


  • #1946
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Yes, Saorsat or "Saorview via sat" is just a fill in for 2% to 5% and a Backup feed.

    It does have advantage for those wishing to have a real PVR the ability to add the three Irish Channels that more than 80% of Analogue viewers have.

    It's of little advantage on a PC media Centre if you are the 98% that can get an aerial signal as you can easily add USB DTT tuners to a box with PCI or PCIe DVB-S2 satellite cards.


    You'll not get a Saorview certified true PVR combo.
    The best will be a Saorview certified (for DTT, not PVR) Combo with ability to read Freesat EPG and Receive FTA HD Satellite (A real "Freesat HD" approved box does a lot more) with possibly some BBC Red Button compatibility, that has external recording option. Useful, but not a "Game changer" as it doesn't replace Sky or UPC PVR (82% have Pay TV).

    Nothing is a "real game changer" as any solution that's an alternative to Sky or UPC PVRs needs two satellite feeds, or is an expensive top end Linux Sat box with two DTT tuners or a PC based Media Centre.
    Even if there was ever a real PVR (dual tuners DTT, Dual tuners Sat, internal HDD) that is Saorview Certified and could at least do Freesat Series link and 7 day guide, it would be nearly twice the price of a Humax "Freesat+ HD" PVR, which can have a SW plugin to at least add the Irish Channels.

    A combo needs a TV aerial and Sat dish.

    We might see a small drop in pay TV eventually, but misinformation and worry about ASO and the ill conceived publicity so far will boost UPC and Sky subs a little.

    At the end of the day it's about ditching Analogue so the Government can sell off spectrum, nothing more.

    The viewer benefits are easier PVR than analogue (but a lot more expensive than a DVD or VHS recorder), widescreen and some HD. Also finally Irish TV on a Media Centre PC without poor quality Analogue Tuner card. Nothing more.


  • #1947
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    watty wrote: »
    You'll not get a Saorview certified true PVR combo.
    Just to clarify, it was the possibility of a satellite solution for PVR that may make it an option.

    I do think you might underestimate the gains a certified combo could make though, regardless of true PVR or not. Especially for those that haven't already gone to Sky+, and those paying for multi room.


  • #1948
    channnels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭channnels


    I'm with Macy on this one. A giant 80cm dish or two smaller dishes for Freesat and Saorsat won't be more acceptable to Joe or Jane public than a small UHF aerial and a small dish. The combo option should not be discounted and if a "decent spec" PVR were made available with the Freesat EPG, MHEG and Saorview EPG then that would be a winner.


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    Sam Russell
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    All it require is for Humax to add a USB tuner to the Foxsat HDR, and integrate the EPG.

    They wont, but they could.

    Maybe a hacker might.


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    channnels
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    All it require is for Humax to add a USB tuner to the Foxsat HDR, and integrate the EPG.

    They wont, but they could.

    Maybe a hacker might.

    The Foxsat HDR has a Linux operating system so it should be technically possible. Big advantage of Saorview is that it's DVB-T so USB tuners are cheap and plentiful.

    Now that WOULD be a game changer!


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  • #1951
    watty
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    1.1m to 1.4m is big
    80cm isn't big

    1.8m is "large"
    3.6m is "giant" (A friend has one!)

    My "multifeed" is 90 x 95 dish, but that's what I had for free.

    Of course it's technically possible to make a Quad Tuner PVR. But the market isn't big enough for the cost.

    You will get your simple Saorview combo soon though with at least Freesat EPG. But that's irrelevant to Saorsat thread.


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