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Rats fleeing a sinking ship

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  • #102
    m@cc@
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

    Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?


    True enough. It'll be a shock to the Anglo countries to see a load of Irish turn up on their doorstep looking for work. Especially with the lack of precedent. :o


  • #103
    ricman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭ricman


    THIS country got screwed by corrupt ,greedy ,immoral bankers and cronyism ,and regulators who where not exactly watching the financial , lending structure and board members who where either blind, dumb not doing there job to a reasonable standard.
    SO now we are spending 20 billion minimum to rescue anglo ,and leave a debt for generations to come.SO a graduate who cant get a job is supposed to want to stay here and work in mc,donalds for minimum wage.
    And most of the people responsible for this mess are gonna retire on large pensions .
    THE property market could not have got out of control under a strict regulation regime.And all these people get to keep their bonus,s they got from creating a false market.
    And the higher paid civil servants are on fantastic wages and pensions.The best in europe.The governments plan is more cuts, more taxes, that s no way to get out of a recession.
    IN the usa its fraud to encourage your own employees to buy a large amount of shares in your own bank, and transfer money just before the accounts are due.
    And all these banks got audited every year .Were the audits carried out properly.
    SO an average person who has a mortgage for 200k, in negative eqiuty
    is paying twice 4 the banks, thru taxes etc and he still has to pay the full mortgage to the bank.
    The government should have let anglo go ,and just supported
    aib and boi.
    LEAVE it to the mercys of the market like any company thats
    badly run.


  • #104
    zootroid
    Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭zootroid


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

    Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

    Congratulations, you have written the most ridiculous, and not to mention offensive post that I have ever read on here.

    Comparing people to rats for wanting to make a better life for themselves is not on.

    Once I'm in a position to emigrate, I'm off. This country had a hard enough time providing services and investing in infrastructure that are paid for by taxes, before the banks needed to be bailed out. Why would I want to remain in a corrupt country where in the future a high proportion of my taxes are going to bail out the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the very small minority who have almost bankrupted the country?


  • #105
    Hells Belle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Hells Belle


    meh..call me a rat if you want, I'm sure I'll still be upset about that comment when I'm living in sunny Queensland :rolleyes:


  • #106
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Just remember folks, while it may work out for some, the land of milk and honey usually isn't, especially in a global recession, and those who painted the rosy picture are nowhere to be found. Emigration isn't touring Oz for your gap year.


  • #107
    Hells Belle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Hells Belle


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Just remember folks, while it may work out for some, the land of milk and honey usually isn't, especially in a global recession, and those who painted the rosy picture are nowhere to be found. Emigration isn't touring Oz for your gap year.

    I don't think for a second its going to be rosy, anyone who has tried to get PR to Australia or anywhere else will tell you that, the process in itself nearly gave me a nervous breakdown, cost a lot of our savings and cost me some family members.
    The life we have here is also far from rosy, we are just above the poverty line struggling to pay bills, a mortgage (which is quite small btw) and buy food and its getting tiresome tbh. I'm not having my children put up with it for a minute more than I have to, when we have a shot at actually living somewhere else. I don't hate Ireland at all, I just love my family more.


  • #108
    Irish Musician
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭Irish Musician


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Just remember folks, while it may work out for some, the land of milk and honey usually isn't, especially in a global recession, and those who painted the rosy picture are nowhere to be found. Emigration isn't touring Oz for your gap year.

    A lot of my mates can't get work as musicians back home in Ireland.I am doing ok,but it can be a bit of a graft looking for the work.I won't be heading back for a while.


  • #109
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,113 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    zootroid wrote: »
    Congratulations, you have written the most ridiculous, and not to mention offensive post that I have ever read on here.

    Comparing people to rats for wanting to make a better life for themselves is not on.

    Once I'm in a position to emigrate, I'm off. This country had a hard enough time providing services and investing in infrastructure that are paid for by taxes, before the banks needed to be bailed out. Why would I want to remain in a corrupt country where in the future a high proportion of my taxes are going to bail out the corruption, greed, and incompetence of the very small minority who have almost bankrupted the country?


    He's only describing what's been happening in Ireland for centuries, which is why there are 70 or 80 million people on the planet with Irish roots.

    Every Irish government since 1922 has prayed for as many people to emigrate as possible, because not one of the governments since then has given a sh1t about keeping the population in the country.

    The only time that any Irish government shows any interest in an Irish emigrant, is when the emigrant has gone to some far-flung country and built up a successful international business. Then the Irish politicians head off in droves to plant their heads down the guy's pants (usually on a St Paddy's Day annual expenses-fiddling wankfest).

    Thanks to the history of emigration, most people don't hesitate, they just take off. If you don't emigrate, and hang back waiting for a job to come up, you get accused of sponging off the state, so you have even more incentive to get out.

    So, when tens of thousands of people leave the country, because the politicians have failed them, those very same politicians will be left behind doing the same God-awful incompetent jobs they've always done. They're the ones who should feck off, because they're of no use to anyone.


  • #110
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Succinctly put, sir.


  • #111
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    A couple of posters are loving it in the US. If I was jumping ship, I would not go there.

    Their health system and the lack of social support when you lose your job scares the crap out of me nevermind the crime rate ;)


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  • #112
    landsleaving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭landsleaving


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Whatever happened to the fighting Irish,

    I'm too lazy to read the rest of this thread, but in answer to that, they moved to America to set up sports teams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football


  • #113
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    I left Ireland, not to abandon my community, family or friends, but because I couldn't get a job (and not just jobs I was qualified for, ANY job), and I was fed up signing on. So when I got a job over here, I jumped at the chance. Believe me, if I could have stayed in Ireland I would have.

    I don't see what's wrong with moving abroad for an opportunity if you don"t have a mortgage or something like that tying you to home.


  • #114
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    Just remember folks, while it may work out for some, the land of milk and honey usually isn't, especially in a global recession, and those who painted the rosy picture are nowhere to be found. Emigration isn't touring Oz for your gap year.

    So pessimistic. When you have emmigrated to find work, when you have been on social welfare for 18 months, when you have no other options, then your opinion counts. Until then, your posts will continue to come accross as being very selfish. You really are trying to stop people emigrating, why? How does that help this country in any way?

    It seems from the amount of posters in here that emigrating is a great thing. It just doesn't suit some peoples agenda here in Ireland... You say you don't begrudge people emigrating, then why are you trying to stop them? Why all this negative propaganda rubbish?
    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    I left Ireland, not to abandon my community, family or friends, but because I couldn't get a job (and not just jobs I was qualified for, ANY job), and I was fed up signing on. So when I got a job over here, I jumped at the chance. Believe me, if I could have stayed in Ireland I would have.

    I don't see what's wrong with moving abroad for an opportunity if you don"t have a mortgage or something like that tying you to home.

    I wouldn't listen to the crap people are trying to tell you. No emigrant has, as some posters put it, abandoned thier country. Remember that your country abandoned you, and that's why you are where you are. The more people emigrate the better it will be in the long run. The ministers fail to see our potential as graduates and are not given the chance when we come out of college/university. We are put to one side. They do not care for us.


  • #115
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Dr_Phil wrote: »
    Just as a matter of interest: how do you feel stealing american jobs?






    *I'm only messing with you, I robbed one of yours ;)

    Not too bad. I worked for an American company who supported another American company in Dublin. ;)


  • #116
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    landsleaving wrote: »
    I'm too lazy to read the rest of this thread, but in answer to that, they moved to America to set up sports teams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football

    A school founded by French Jesuits. lol


  • #117
    FruitLover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    Well OP and others arguing against emigration, you can make yourselves martyrs if you like, but I put up with that scanger-infested, begrudger-riddled, rain-drenched, church-whipped, badly-governed, overpriced little dump of an island for 20-odd years before I got my act together; as far as I'm concerned, I've earned the right to live somewhere nice instead without feeling guilty about all the poor suckers still stuck there.


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