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IndyCar 2015

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    7 deaths in 20 years in IndyCar. That's not a particularly great statistic in all fairness. A death in the sport every three years is more like what it was in F1 during the deadly 70's. Really awful to hear news of drivers passing away like this :(

    Justin Wilsons death is a tragedy and the accident could have happened in any category of motorsport.

    Motorsport is inherently dangerous, re Indycar : there have been 4 deaths since '00s in Indycar and of those 2 where during races - Justin & Dan Wheldon. The nature of Indycar racing was a factor in the Dan Wheldon tragedy but the Justin Wilson accident could have as easily as happened in Formula 1 - indeed there have been a few near misses in recent times.

    Indycar have improved safety over the years - the Hans device and Safer Barrier are 2 examples of where Indycar has been to the forefront of safety advances.

    As an aside Formula E held a minutes silence at the start of testing this morning at Donnington to remember Justin.

    Justin Wilson RIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭acquiescefc


    Such a sad day yesterday. Watching the stream I could see after the initial accident Justin wasn't moving and couldn't understand why, didn't think he was involved until they showed the replay.

    Coming from the same city as Justin I've been wanting him to make the headlines again but not at all in this way.

    Was lucky enough to meet him in Fontana two years ago, he was just stood there talking to people whereas some drivers headed straight back to their RVs.

    Am out here in CA at the moment, have tickets for Sonoma this weekend, really sad it's going to be a sombre affair instead of the big showdown of previous years. Much like Rockingham after Zanardis accident (and 9/11)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,888 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Turns out Justin was an organ donor, and has helped 6 people through his passing.

    It doesn't help the pain for his family, friends and colleagues, but shows the impact of a passing can have a silver lining.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What time is the race at?


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Turns out Justin was an organ donor, and has helped 6 people through his passing.

    It doesn't help the pain for his family, friends and colleagues, but shows the impact of a passing can have a silver lining.
    I hope we've all made it clear to our families that we want the same should the worst happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭acquiescefc


    What time is the race at?


    Says 2pm on my ticket. That would be plus 8 for my DVR.

    Strange weekend so far, blistering heat on Friday. Bearable today.

    Nice to see the Union Jack at half mast across from the grandstand.
    Stunning views from above Turn 2, can see for miles.

    Good support races, the sound from the Bentleys and SLS's is incredible. They mentioned you could watch online somewhere.

    Interesting race ahead. The wind can change here which is a game changer. Most people here want Rahal to win. My money's on JPM, think he deserves it, although an outside bet on Dixon if he gets lucky with strategy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Lovely tribute to Justin Wilson before the final race. And it was heartwarming to hear them play God Save the Queen while showing his flag of the UK flying at half mast.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,384 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Didn't see the race in listings earlier so missed that, see it on now so wlil catch the start:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Montoya likes this track, or at least I remember him doing very well on it in NASCAR.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,384 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    astrofluff wrote: »
    Montoya likes this track, or at least I remember him doing very well on it in NASCAR.

    One of the few highlights of his years in Nascar, him winning winning his first Nascar race back in '07

    Some messy pitstops there, lucky the air hose wasn't ripped up


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    It doesn't seem that long ago so I had to check Wiki and you're right! That's madness, and the succeeding years just went downhill from there unfortunately. It seems if he changes race series, he drives really well.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,384 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    might be busy pit lane

    And long time since Montoya won a championshp, he would have been about 23 when he won CART championship


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,384 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Exciting race, especially passes in turn 2, Montoya on the back foot now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    This could go anyway...14 to go.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    JPM needs to make up 3 places from 8th to make a difference and win.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    ok in 6th with 1 place to go with 5 laps left, 3 secs behind!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,384 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Slightly disappointed with that result :( Can I blame double points
    Oh well, at least the racing was good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Double points sucks, just like getting a point for leading a lap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭acquiescefc


    God what an amazing weekend.
    Sad its over. Fantastic track, views are stunning.

    The race itself, very strange. It seemed to fall into Dixon's lap and he was running away with it. Jpm and Will couldn't seem to pass many and it stayed that way.
    Got some awesome photos, ended up right behind the drivers line up at the start next to the trophy.

    Disappointing season really. The best race was hated by the drivers and we lost a great great guy. Was a bit choked when they played our anthem today and the 25 in the sky..wow.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 905 ✭✭✭Uno my Uno.


    Its been a challenging couple of weeks for Indycar, the tragedy of Pocono and then a great race from Sonoma.

    The Pocono race was riveting but for all the wrong reasons, there was someone in the wall at high speed every 20 laps, when you see drivers going eight wide into turn one on the restart you have to ask if everything is right. The Commentators were very excited through out by all the action but it was clear straight away that something was badly wrong when Wilson didn't get out of his car and that only got worse when we saw the footage of the accident.

    It is awful to lose someone like Wilson, universally loved in the paddock and a high achiever in the sport. Of course the true tragedy is for his family, the entire thing has left me deeply saddened. I hope it never happens again.

    To me its clear that Indycar need to ask difficult questions about racing on ovals, speeds at Pocono were in excess of 230 mph, it can't be seriously said that a race that sees as many serious incidents as Pocono did is safe enough. Looking back over the course of the season, Ryan Briscoe is lucky to be alive as is James Hinchcliffe and amazingly Helio walked away form one of the most frightening crashes of recent years. I think the issue needs to be addressed immediately, I don't want to see them leave the ovals but its clear to me that the speed of the cars currently exceeds the capacity of either the cars or the the drivers, it might be time for Indy to introduce restrictor plates or something similar.

    Thankfully the race from Sonoma was a fitting end to the season, dramatic for all the right reasons with a dark horse championship winner. Even my wife was on the edge of her seat for the last 10 laps.

    I don't know what Indycar need to do next season, I'm glad to see that they are going back to Road America and I hope this is the start of them getting back to the classic courses but there can be now doubt that the series is in trouble, the 2015 season was just five months long and attendances were dismal. Indycar needs to get back to a position of relevance in the US, most people here are barely even aware of its existence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    The off season is far too long but is supposed to be addressed for 2016.

    The last 20 laps at Indianapolis was also a classic with incredible racing between Power and Montoya.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭acquiescefc


    I agree with the above.

    Indycar had one problem, pack racing, now it has a second with Justin's tragedy. Which way to go. With the exclusion of super speedways you 'probably' eradicate both but without this 'speed' will it appeal to the audience, which is 99% American. Then you have to get rid of the 500, which will never happen especially with the milestone in 2016.

    As a cab driver I spoke to said, there's no Americans in it so why I don't really care for it. I think this is the big difference between it and N*sc*r. The buzz around Rahal this year has given it some local flavour but the series winner is always from overseas.

    I think the old courses are great, but the improvements and costs needed to make them safe I think don't make them viable options.

    It's been a good year, but in small doses. Not sure how it can be fixed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    Slightly disappointed with that result :( Can I blame double points

    If you want, you can. The maths have been done by others: without double for Sonoma, Monty wins by 22; without double for both Indy and Sonoma, Monty wins by 4.

    However, you could also consider that Scott should have had at least an extra 33 points (plus up to an extra 9) for scoring the pole at Indy, compared to Monty's 19 points; if it wasn't for man's first attempt at hovercars forcing the series to contain qualifying and cancel the bonus points.


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