MotoGP 2015 News & Chat

h3000 · 27-10-2015 1:55pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

Yamaha's appeal to Race Direction was rejected, but they can still appeal directly to the FIM.

Any news on this?

As far as I know the appeal on Sunday was to the FIM. I think it has go as far as it can. I stand to be corrected on that though.

on a side note this article is worth a read.
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

Pugzilla · 27-10-2015 1:59pm

h3000 wrote: »

As far as I know the appeal on Sunday was to the FIM. I think it has go as far as it can. I stand to be corrected on that though.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/moto-gp/motogp-over-275000-fans-sign-petition-to-get-valentino-rossis-malaysian-gp-penalty-dropped/story-fn2ms4i4-1227583747208

It's Fox News so I'm not sure how reliable the article is.

h3000 · 27-10-2015 2:03pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/moto-gp/motogp-over-275000-fans-sign-petition-to-get-valentino-rossis-malaysian-gp-penalty-dropped/story-fn2ms4i4-1227583747208

It's Fox News so I'm not sure how reliable the article is.

This is what Lin Jarvis had to say. There is lots of different information out there right now and it's all getting a little confusing.

Lin Jarvis - Crash.net wrote:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224651/1/yamaha-rossi-incorrect-but-penalty-harsh.html
“As a team, we appealed to the FIM and the first decision of the race control. They heard him, also consulted race direction, consulted Marc Marquez and Honda, and finally after a period of 45 minutes we have the results of the appeal, which was rejected.

“The original penalty of three points against Valentino stands, and in the process of appealing, if the FIM steward rejects your appeal and agrees with the original decision, it is no longer appealable – it becomes final. It's case closed. That means now that Valentino Rossi will go to Valencia with this penalty.”

h3000 · 27-10-2015 4:09pm

I did not think a video like this would be released...
https://twitter.com/btsportmotogp/status/659022824749686785

Gatling · 27-10-2015 4:18pm

The grin on marques face when rossi walks in says it all

Frank Bullitt · 27-10-2015 4:53pm

Max Headroom wrote: »

Its easy for us sitting on our cosy sofas saying what if.....i'm sure the Gimp's blood was boiling and whether he meant to hit the brake lever with his knee we might never know...tbh it looked to me like Gimpy was trying to stop Marquez to have a chat...also dont they have lever guards to stop this from happening, or are they only for the posers up in Laragh...:P

Really great post...

Frank Bullitt · 27-10-2015 5:27pm

I read over on autosport that Repsol are now threatening to quit the sport over what happened.

This is brilliant stuff.

pablo128 · 27-10-2015 5:31pm

Gintonious wrote: »

I read over on autosport that Repsol are now threatening to quit the sport over what happened.

This is brilliant stuff.

Yeah they were slating Rossi, but who would it affect? Marquez. So I'd say it's a lash out at both of them.

Scotty # · 27-10-2015 5:48pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

Yamaha's appeal to Race Direction was rejected, but they can still appeal directly to the FIM.

Any news on this?

h3000 wrote: »

As far as I know the appeal on Sunday was to the FIM. I think it has go as far as it can. I stand to be corrected on that though.

I've read several reports that once the FIM Steward rejected the appeal that that was the end of the matter including an interview with Lin Jarvis BUT... at the end of Mike Webb's(Race Director) interview on MotoGP.com he says "if Yamaha are not happy with the FIM Stewards decision they have 5 days to take their case to the FIM International Disciplinary Court". This would involve lawyers etc and is very serious, they could even further increase the penalty if they saw fit.

h3000 wrote:

As much as I hate it Vale really ****ed up and probably does deserve some sort of penalty. Is the back of the grid too severe?

Technically his penalty was 3 points on his license only. As he already has 1 point, accumulating 4 points means he starts his next race from the back.

I suspect, as a Yamaha rider will still take the title, they won't take the matter further.

I'd still like to see Lorenzo penalised for the yellow flag though!!

h3000 · 27-10-2015 6:04pm

Gintonious wrote: »

I read over on autosport that Repsol are now threatening to quit the sport over what happened.
.

A load of hot air.

Frank Bullitt · 27-10-2015 6:19pm

From the autosport forum.

This is war

Italian media, La Repubblica, Gazzetta, Giornale.it are going literally ballistic with the "Andorra Pact", an agreement between Lorenzo & Marquez made after Aragon GP with the presence of Marquez's manager Alberto Valera, a plan to destroy Valentino Rossi's title run.

Lorenzo was worried about the Asiatic triple-header in Motegi-Philip Island-Sepang, favourite circuits by Rossi in the calendar & wanted to do something more than just riding fast.

Rossi told this just before Sepang: "After Motegi i've heard something. But i didn't want to believe. Now i know it was all real".

And a "group of riders" smelled the Spanish alliance & contacted Rossi after Sepang. They convinced him to race, as they will let him through in the race to go try challenge Lorenzo in the final battle.

Andrea Iannone changed his Facebook profile pic after months, with an image of him with Rossi hugging in the Mugello podium.

This all reads very italian, but they do like a good fiasco now and then.

h3000 · 27-10-2015 6:23pm

Scotty # wrote: »

I've read several reports that once the FIM Steward rejected the appeal that that was the end of the matter including an interview with Lin Jarvis BUT... at the end of Mike Webb's(Race Director) interview on MotoGP.com he says "if Yamaha are not happy with the FIM Stewards decision they have 5 days to take their case to the FIM International Disciplinary Court". This would involve lawyers etc and is very serious, they could even further increase the penalty if they saw fit.

Thanks, I missed this bit.

Scotty # wrote: »

Technically his penalty was 3 points on his license only. As he already has 1 point, accumulating 4 points means he starts his next race from the back.

I suspect, as a Yamaha rider will still take the title, they won't take the matter further.

I'd still like to see Lorenzo penalised for the yellow flag though!!

I wonder did they appeal the penalty point he got for impeding Lorenzo in qualifying. Is it even worth appealing, the appeal time could even be expired at this stage too.

pablo128 · 27-10-2015 7:18pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Marquez was carrying on like this with Lorenzos blessing. Why else would Horgay be so vocal against Rossi? The world can see what Marquez is at, except Lorenzo and Marquez it seems.

pablo128 wrote: »

I've signed it, but I can't see it making any difference.

I really believe most of the other riders will let Rossi through on the first lap. The only thing is will Lorenzo be gone by then, or maybe he might get held up a bit. If the Dukes get in front of him, he's fcuked!:pac:

Gintonious wrote: »

From the autosport forum.

This all reads very italian, but they do like a good fiasco now and then.

Well my 'conspiracy theory' has legs!

All we need now is for Emilio Alzamora to confirm this and it blows the whole thing wide open.

h3000 · 27-10-2015 7:22pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Well my 'conspiracy theory' has legs!

All we need now is for Emilio Alzamora to confirm this and it blows the whole thing wide open.

Even if it is true Alzamora would never admit to it.

Frank Bullitt · 27-10-2015 7:29pm

You would think, if there was an agreement, that they would do their best to try and keep it secret.

With the way they are going on, its more or less confirming it!

Gatling · 27-10-2015 7:32pm

Gintonious wrote: »

You would think, if there was an agreement, that they would do their best to try and keep it secret.

With the way they are going on, its more or less confirming it!

Probably because they know they won't be touched or face any sanctions

Pugzilla · 27-10-2015 8:32pm

Would be great if Repsol left. Anything that weakens Spanish influence on Moto GP is a good thing. Having 4 venues in Spain is ridiculous for a world championship.

Pugzilla · 28-10-2015 1:25am

Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo Because of His Attitude in the Rossi Case

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html#

h3000 · 28-10-2015 10:21am

Pugzilla wrote: »

Would be great if Repsol left. Anything that weakens Spanish influence on Moto GP is a good thing. Having 4 venues in Spain is ridiculous for a world championship.

In fairness without the Spanish CEV there would be a lot less talent coming in to MotoGP. The FIM CEV is very important to MotoGP.

Repsol are just trying to throw their weight around. They are going nowhere.

h3000 · 28-10-2015 10:23am

Pugzilla wrote: »

Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo Because of His Attitude in the Rossi Case

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html#

Hmm I wonder is there any truth to this. I have to say the thumbs down on the podium was really bad form.

Pugzilla · 28-10-2015 11:07am

h3000 wrote: »

In fairness without the Spanish CEV there would be a lot less talent coming in to MotoGP. The FIM CEV is very important to MotoGP.

Repsol are just trying to throw their weight around. They are going nowhere.

Many of the spanish riders are boring, devoid of personality. I watch MotoGP to be entertained.

Frank Bullitt · 28-10-2015 11:40pm

Marquez just posted a video on his FB page - https://www.facebook.com/marcmarquez1993/videos/1074502499226866/

Just read the comments underneath. Hilarious.

Scotty # · 29-10-2015 12:16am

That's incredible. There must be 100 negative posts for every 1 positive one.

Frank Bullitt · 29-10-2015 12:20am

He must be trolling.

pablo128 · 29-10-2015 12:54am

It was inevitable one of these would make an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7BfQlBkk8

CJhaughey · 29-10-2015 1:02am

h3000 wrote: »

Repsol are just trying to throw their weight around. They are going nowhere.

Hmm not so sure, I don't think they are in the greatest shape financially as a company.
Usually the first stuff off a sinking ship is the deckchairs and other non-essentials.

Pugzilla · 29-10-2015 1:14am

Spain’s Repsol said Thursday it will sell about $7.1 billion in non-strategic assets as part of its newly released four year strategic plan.

The company said it will undertake the divestments and also cut spending by 38 percent “without altering its company profile” as part of its 2016 to 2020 plan.

The assets slated for sale have not been disclosed yet.
http://petroglobalnews.com/2015/10/repsol-plans-7-billion-asset-sale/

h3000 · 29-10-2015 7:49am

CJhaughey wrote: »

Hmm not so sure, I don't think they are in the greatest shape financially as a company.
Usually the first stuff off a sinking ship is the deckchairs and other non-essentials.

Maybe so, I really can't see it happening though.

Their statement about dangerous riding from Rossi was a bit hypocritical though. They have been sponsoring Marquez throughout his career after all. He has had lot of criticism for dangerous riding throughout his career so far.

Pugzilla · 29-10-2015 8:52am

h3000 wrote: »

Maybe so, I really can't see it happening though.

Their statement about dangerous riding from Rossi was a bit hypocritical though. They have been sponsoring Marquez throughout his career after all. He has had lot of criticism for dangerous riding throughout his career so far.

Sponsorship rights fall under non-strategic assets. This incident would give Repsol a good excuse to offload it.

Scotty # · 29-10-2015 11:48am

pablo128 wrote: »

It was inevitable one of these would make an appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7BfQlBkk8

LMAO... "Lorenzo should start from the back of the grid and facing the wrong way!"

I wonder what kind of reception Marquez and Lorenzo will get at Valencia?

h3000 · 29-10-2015 12:21pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

Sponsorship rights fall under non-strategic assets. This incident would give Repsol a good excuse to offload it.

I'm really not trying to argue with you and we are going a little off topic here but.... How can sponsorship be classed as an asset?

Pugzilla · 29-10-2015 6:42pm

pablo128 · 29-10-2015 7:09pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

Ha ha! Priceless!:D

Harika · 30-10-2015 9:13am

The new MotoGP KTM engine, due for 2017 I think, was the first time test driven at the RedBull Ring, video from facebook video is here on facebook. wow what a sound

h3000 · 30-10-2015 2:13pm

Well this is getting more interesting each day. Rossi is appealing the decision.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/10/30/valentino-rossi-appeals-fim-stewards-decision/188688

h3000 · 30-10-2015 2:33pm

https://twitter.com/motomatters/status/660084168693428224

https://twitter.com/motomatters/status/660086694218227712

https://twitter.com/motomatters/status/660087144111845376

Pugzilla · 30-10-2015 3:31pm

Hopefully the penalty is overturned and Lorenzo sh*ts himself.

h3000 · 30-10-2015 3:48pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

Hopefully the penalty is overturned and Lorenzo sh*ts himself.

It's going to be a strange one. As far as I can make out at best a decision to suspend the penalty will be made on November 6th. The case itself could take months to be resolved. If the penalty is suspended and it is later reinstated I wonder will that mean the penalty will be applied to Qatar 2016 or will his results for Valencia will be altered.

h3000 · 30-10-2015 3:57pm

h3000 wrote: »

It's going to be a strange one. As far as I can make out at best a decision to suspend the penalty will be made on November 6th. The case itself could take months to be resolved. If the penalty is suspended and it is later reinstated I wonder will that mean the penalty will be applied to Qatar 2016 or will his results for Valencia will be altered.

Just read a bit more and it looks like if the penalty is suspended and is then reinstated it will not affect the 2015 championship.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224734/1/valentino-rossi-appeals-sepang-penalty.html

Crash.net and CAS wrote:

Rossi's target appears to be to convince the CAS for a "stay of execution of the decision", which would allow him to start from his normal qualifying position at Valencia.

CAS expects to make a decision on that request by November 6, which is two days before the Valencia race.

Since Rossi's punishment involves penalty points rather than championship points, any decisions made by the CAS after the Valencia race would have no impact on the 2015 title outcome.

So if, after the season finale, the CAS upholds the Sepang penalty during its full judgement, Rossi would presumably serve his last place start at the 2016 Qatar season opener.

“On the basis of Article 3.4.2, para 3 of the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations, Mr Valentino Rossi has filed an Appeal against the decision taken by the Race Direction of the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix in Sepang, penultimate round of the FIM MotoGP Grand Prix World Championship, and confirmed by the FIM Stewards, to award 3 penalty points to Mr Rossi following an incident on Turn 14," read an FIM statement.

“In appealing to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), Mr Rossi seeks annulment or reduction of the penalty. He further requests stay of execution of the decision in accordance with Article R37 of the Code of Sports-Related Arbitration.

“The FIM will not comment any further at this time.”

ref: http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224734/1/valentino-rossi-appeals-sepang-penalty.html

Scotty # · 30-10-2015 4:32pm

I expected that to happen today, it was the last day to appeal.

I think the fairest outcome here would be to leave Rossi's penalty stand but also give Marquez 3 points on his license. I don't know if this process has that power though.

This whole saga has damaged Marquez and Lorenzo a lot.

h3000 · 30-10-2015 5:12pm

Scotty # wrote: »

This whole saga has damaged Marquez and Lorenzo a lot.

and Rossi/Yamaha and Honda. It's been a PR disaster for MotoGP in general.

David Emmett has a fairly good outline of whats happening here
https://motomatters.com/news/2015/10/30/valentino_rossi_appeals_sepang_penalty_t.html

Pugzilla · 30-10-2015 9:05pm

I'll never own another Honda after this fiasco.

h3000 · 30-10-2015 9:07pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

I'll never own another Honda after this fiasco.

h3000 · 31-10-2015 10:02am

If Valentino gets his points suspended and goes on to win the championship I could see him retiring more or less there and then. I hope not but I just have a suspicion.

Pugzilla · 31-10-2015 10:54am

Pugzilla wrote: »

Moto GP racer Marc Márquez was reportedly assaulted by Italian reporters in his garage, who were allegedly mocking him for a controversial crash during the Moto GP race earlier this week.

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/moto-gp-racer-involved-in-controversial-crash-assaulted-1739759100

h3000 · 31-10-2015 11:39am

Pugzilla wrote: »

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/moto-gp-racer-involved-in-controversial-crash-assaulted-1739759100

That's really bad form. Apparently the are really controversial "journalists". Hopefully the will be punished accordingly, there is no need for that carry on.

Pugzilla · 31-10-2015 4:30pm

It's no harm if it puts some manners on him.

funkey_monkey · 31-10-2015 6:01pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

It's no harm if it puts some manners on him.

?

It's more than likely to piss him off even more and I can't say I blame him - Twat or not.

Pugzilla · 31-10-2015 6:04pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

?

It's more than likely to piss him off even more and I can't say I blame him - Twat or not.

If he gets more pissed off, then it will be more evident to the world what a c€nt he is. I genuinely wish he has a career ending crash at Valencia.

Arne_Saknussem · 31-10-2015 6:07pm

Pugzilla wrote: »

If he gets more pissed off, then it will be more evident to the world what a c€nt he is. I genuinely wish he has a career ending crash at Valencia.

That's a little uncalled for! Stop short at wishing death on him yeah?

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