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loosing interest in photography forum

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  • #52
    CabanSail
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 9,047 CMod ✭✭✭✭CabanSail


    pete4130 wrote: »
    Having a vision, skill and talent helps.

    Where can I buy or download these? :D

    Thanks in advance.


  • #53
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    CabanSail wrote: »
    Where can I buy or download these? :D

    Thanks in advance.

    I'm selling a vision, used once or twice (too busy), versatile, easy to store, folds away to nothing.
    Also looking to swap self standing sturdy BBQ for talent.
    Thanks !


  • #54
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Mountainsandh wrote: »
    I'm selling a vision, used once or twice (too busy), versatile, easy to store, folds away to nothing.
    Also looking to swap self standing sturdy BBQ for talent.
    Thanks !

    Any scratches or dust on that*???









    (*=the BBQ)


  • #55
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Cheezypuf wrote: »
    It's that kind of eletism that puts newbies off contributing to the forum.

    I've lurked for some time, and although the majority of posts I've seen are very constructive I've been horrified to see some astonishing rudeness and aggression on occasion (I'm not referring to Pete). We all learn from diverse opinions, but it harms nobody to express these using basic manners and courtesy.

    having a camera that can take photos, and taking images that have substance are two different things.

    Alot think, once they have a camera, they are automatically a photographer, sadly this is not true, there is alot more to it than that, sadly it seems alot feel offended by this notion and dismiss it, which understandably gets under the skin of people who have worked hard to develop themselves into a photographer, maybe the issue is those people are begining to outweigh the old breed. Maybe the meaning has changed in recent times, who know...


  • #56
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    I always thought a photographer was someone who takes photographs :confused:


  • #57
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    I always thought a photographer was someone who takes photographs :confused:

    Would you consider someone who uploads photos of their dog daily on instagram a photographer?


  • #58
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Would you consider someone who uploads photos of their dog daily on instagram a photographer?

    Well, why wouldn't I... it's captured light, what other qualifiers must be met?

    I am curious now - how does one find out if they qualify as a photographer?

    Are you a photographer?

    Am I?


  • #59
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    Would you consider someone who uploads photos of their dog daily on instagram a photographer?

    Do you propose a qualification criteria for people that upload photos- please digress this:


  • #60
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Well, why wouldn't I... it's captured light, what other qualifiers must be met?

    I am curious now - how does one find out if they qualify as a photographer?

    well i wouldnt.

    I believe in my opinion, a degree of substance or technical skill is required to justify the title of a photographer, to what degree, is varying on the viewer, but required.


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  • #61
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    to what degree, is varying on the viewer

    So... one person might tell me I'm a photographer and another might tell me I am not :confused:


  • #62
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


    This post has been deleted.


  • #63
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    So... one person might tell me I'm a photographer and another might tell me I am not :confused:

    correct, its not defined imo. so (not questioning your ability whatsoever, not directed at you), your grandmother or your mate from the pub could look at your work and say 'wow your a great photographer, those effects from your phone make the dog look cool'. go to a photography club, and you may get a different response.


  • #64
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Well TBH this conversation will go in circles forever, its merely my opinion, not fact


  • #65
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    And in the context of this thread or this forum in general... what is the context or relevance that you are getting at?

    That people we perceive to be lesser photographers, or not at all, can get under real photographers skin?

    But real photographers aren't real photographers at all, depending on who you ask... and they get under the real, real photographers skin.

    But real, real photographers aren't real, real photographers at all, depending on who you ask... and they get under the real, real, real photographers skin.

    And so on, to infinity...


  • #66
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    A blogger but not a writer?

    I run for the bus, I'm late. I'm not a runner.

    I make my living from taking photos but I'm not a photographer.


    I don't think people are too precious about the the word Photographer. It's just that it is as broad as it is vague in meaning.


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  • #67
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    And in the context of this thread or this forum in general... what is the context or relevance that you are getting at?

    That people we perceive to be lesser photographers, or not at all, can get under real photographers skin?

    But real photographers aren't real photographers at all, depending on who you ask... and they get under the real, real photographers skin.

    But real, real photographers aren't real, real photographers at all, depending on who you ask... and they get under the real, real, real photographers skin.

    And so on, to infinity...

    I guess my point is, that having a camera, and the action of taking a photo does not make you a photographer(again IMO). Theres alot more to it.


  • #68
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    humberklog wrote: »


    I don't think people are too precious about the the word Photographer. It's just that it is as broad as it is vague in meaning.

    thats the issue, i guess in depends on your level, how you value the meaning.


  • #69
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I really fail to see how a discussion about who is and who isn't a photographer is of any value to the forum. In fact it probably makes amateurs not want to post over fear of being ridiculed.


  • #70
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    I guess my point is, that having a camera, and the action of taking a photo does not make you a photographer(again IMO). Theres alot more to it.

    Just so I understand -

    In the context of this forum, these people can irritate the real/proper/legit* photographers who hang out here?

    * who may not be real/proper/legit photographers depending on who you ask - based on your definition.


  • #71
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Just so I understand -

    In the context of this forum, these people can irritate the real/proper/legit* photographers who hang out here?

    * who may not be real/proper/legit photographers depending on who you ask - based on your definition.

    not at all, I started posting here in 2005 and didnt know my arse from my elbow photographically, and the forum helped me so much I couldn't even begin to explain, the people who posted here were all extremely helpful, shared gear, took me on trips, went through my work with a fine tooth comb and argued with me til the cows came home over the smallest details, and i thank every one of them for it.

    Just because you're learning would never be a reason to ridicule, quite the opposite, its great to have new people here looking for advice and sharing work for tips.

    But I have found these days, people rarely accept any critisim, I would be told ' yeah mele, they are useless (lists off in bullet form the reasons), I would sometimes ask for clarification on why, take on board and come back til it was to the standard of my peers, and thats how it would be. now its a huge arguement of 'elitism' and 'your stuck in film age' rubbish.


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  • #72
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    smash wrote: »
    I really fail to see how a discussion about who is and who isn't a photographer is of any value to the forum. In fact it probably makes amateurs not want to post over fear of being ridiculed.

    i dont think anyone here would ridicule a amateur, everyone was an amateur, and the forum is extremely helpful.


  • #73
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    I read something on the cycling forum a few weeks ago, people were talking about how others shouldn't wear the spotted jerseys that you earn from winning a stage in a competition, how you haven't yet deserved it. I suppose this is the same thing, people who have already either earned this title of photographer, are a little bit upset that someone can just swan in, hand over some cash and get the same exact title as them.

    I have a camera, I take photographs, but I'm not a photographer, I'm just someone who enjoys taking photographs, if anything because of all the post production I do I'm more of a graphic artist who captures all of their own imagery(I hope any graphic artists don't get offended!), and if I'm honest, I would much rather stay being just someone who enjoys taking photographs because then everybody stays happy

    I don't think anyone saying that not everyone is a photographer is attacking someone on this forum, I think it's more for the people who upload an album on facebook called "Photography" and there's a picture of a tree... and a dog... and the ground.. all in black and white or maybe some sepia. Those people annoy me, not because they're claiming to be photographers, but because they're idiots.


  • #74
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Man... I ain't try to be rude and I ain't trying to have an arguement with you... but I'm not even sure I know what you're trying to say.

    I just don't get where you're going with the "you're not a photographer thing" and your last post has sorta just taken a turn in a different direction.

    Sorry :o


  • #75
    Promac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭Promac


    Grand exit - seeya next month.


  • #76
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Man... I ain't try to be rude and I ain't trying to have an arguement with you... but I'm not even sure I know what you're trying to say.

    I just don't get where you're going with the "you're not a photographer thing" and your last post has sorta just taken a turn in a different direction.

    Sorry :o

    the discussion was about your view that a photographer is anyone with a camera, I disagreed, and explained my point, there is also the wider debate of the decline( or change) the forum has taken.


  • #77
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    The discussion was actually about your view -
    Alot think, once they have a camera, they are automatically a photographer, sadly this is not true

    And I didn't disagree... I asked you to explain.

    I then asked why did it matter, in the context of this forum, and you started to talk about people taking C+C the wrong way and the like.

    So... in a nutshell... I don't get what you're trying to say :o


  • #78
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    The discussion was actually about your view -



    And I didn't disagree... I asked you to explain.

    I then asked why did it matter, in the context of this forum, and you started to talk about people taking C+C the wrong way and the like.

    So... in a nutshell... I don't get what you're trying to say :o

    Very well. Perphaps I'm not being clear as I would like. I guess I'm talking about two things at once and I'm not making sense and this is really going anywhere. I am also sounding like a bit of a prick reading back through them, stuck in my old ways and that, I perhaps should stay out of this discussion for now


  • #79
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    I perhaps should stay out of this discussion for now

    Chill man... we don't want you heading into the cave with PCPhoto as well ;)

    My honest opinion, without writing an essay on it, is that people are probably entitled to call themselves whatever they want. Whether we agree with them or not, for the most part, is probably irrelevant.

    Forums are all about individuals and to be successful I think you need to get people posting. In terms of the social aspect I'd put more value on great personalities (where great doesn't necessarily equate to a nice person) rather than photographers of the good/great/cool/knowledgeable (whatever it might be) variety.


  • #80
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


    This post has been deleted.


  • #81
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,714 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Photography is an open democratic medium , so yes everybody with a camera who takes photographs is a photographer - the catch is , for me any way, is to be creative - You have to be more than good, whatever good photography is


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  • #82
    Tallon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    I miss this forum a lot... I used to post in it all the time, chat, have a laugh, meet new people etc

    It's changed so much, and every time I start a thread it's moved to a sub forum, or the off topic thread :(

    I cannot tell you how excited I am to go back to Charlville next week :)

    I'm gonna give this one more try and try introduce my 'fun photography' I used to post here back in the day...

    Watch this space :)


  • #83
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    thebaz wrote: »
    Photography is an open democratic medium , so yes everybody with a camera who takes photographs is a photographer - the catch is , for me any way, is to be creative - You have to be more than good, whatever good photography is

    But a photo is still a photo, someone took it so therefore they are the photographer. I wouldn't mix up the word 'photographer' with 'photography as an art form'. And even at that, art is subjective.

    Anyone can be a photographer, few can be artists.


  • #84
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Tallon wrote: »
    I'm gonna give this one more try and try introduce my 'fun photography' I used to post here back in the day...

    Watch this space :)

    VIVA LA DANBO


  • #85
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    So... one person might tell me I'm a photographer and another might tell me I am not :confused:

    One person might say you're ugly, another might say you're not.

    I can play 40 musical instruments. 38 of them I can only get a noise out of them but it's still playing.....

    I'm an amateur photographer, you're a professional or amateur photographer.

    Perception is reality so be whatever you want to be. Be all you can be. Just be.


  • #86
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    Tallon wrote: »

    I'm gonna give this one more try and try introduce my 'fun photography' I used to post here back in the day...

    Watch this space :)

    shoule always have some fun and mess about

    [IMG][/img]7182992547_5da8366a65.jpg

    7198219476_a7e22e1fc9.jpg
    photo.JPG by Photoblog.ie (Patrick Dinneen), on Flickr


  • #87
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Perception is reality

    So I am a proper bolox after all :(


  • #88
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    Any advice?
    Piss off and create another thread :pac:

    =-=

    PCPhoto; just lurk. It's more fun than actively participating. Also branch out and lurk in other related forums. I find your posts on legal aspects of photography interesting. 99% of the time you don't just say X is the fact, but say X is the fact, and here's the backstory, making it a lot easier to understand.
    CabanSail wrote: »
    Where can I buy or download these? :D
    There's a link that shows how I'll never let you down, but I'm not allowed to post it on any forum. PM me for the link.
    jpb1974 wrote: »
    That people we perceive to be lesser photographers, or not at all, can get under real photographers skin?
    You're a photographer when you only shoot one or two areas, and you enter competitions and/or get certified in your chosen field :pac:

    Personally, I take photos. I call it a hobby. I have again started to feck around when taking photos. Sure why not.

    =-=

    So, who started the derailment of this thread?


  • #89
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    just lurk. It's more fun than actively participating

    When you consider that the original post talked of the decline of the forum this is a real gem.


  • #90
    Tallon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    the_syco wrote: »

    PCPhoto; just lurk. It's more fun than actively participating.
    I want to disagree with you so much, but sadly, at the moment, this is the case :(

    An it shouldn't be!


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  • #91
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    jpb1974 wrote: »
    When you consider that the original post talked of the decline of the forum this is a real gem.
    Start a thread. Get thread derailed. Get great informative advice. Abuse the person who gave you the advice. Months later, take advice, find it's useful, come back to the forum, and wonder why the person who gave you the great advice no longer posts.

    A lurker will most often post again, in time. Someone who closes their account usually doesn't ever come back, thus why I advise people to lurk; many great posters have gone already.


  • #92
    jpb1974
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭jpb1974


    Ah.. got you now -

    If you've been emotionally scarred don't leave, lurk. Time heals all things.


  • #93
    Splinters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Splinters


    This argument is beyond childish. The term photgrapher has a meaning and isnt open for interpretation. There really isnt any room for debate here, if you take photos you are, by definition, a photographer.

    Collins English dictionary defines it as....

    a person who takes photographs, either as a hobby or a profession

    You might be an amateur photographer, a hobbyist photographer, a camera phone photographer, even a bad photographer. It really doesnt matter....the point is, you are a photographer.


  • #94
    Borderfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Enough already about the word. Back ot please


  • #95
    dakar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭dakar


    I think the nature of things is that forums tend to attract people in the first flush of enthusiasm with a new hobby. It's certainly what drew me here back in the day. It's what drew me to the coffee forum over the last year or so. It follows that you get waves of people at the same sort of point in their journey.

    When I landed, I kind of tagged onto the coat tails of a bunch who had seen it all and some of them were moving on (to twitter mostly). I'm lucky in that I can now call some of those people my friends. I would never have met them without boards, yet most of them never post here anymore. I understand why. Topics get recycled (there is a fairly predictable arc at this stage). The same arguments get tedious. When you disagree with someone you know, you're less likely to get pissed off and bite back than someone you've never met who comes across as a keyboard warrior.

    So yeah, change things round, then in 18 months when everyone's bored again, change them back. I'll keep lurking anyway (but I won't be reading any copyright threads).


  • #96
    colblimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭colblimp


    dakar wrote: »
    It's what drew me to the coffee forum

    There's a coffee forum?!! :eek: :D

    Where...?


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  • #97
    zero19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭zero19


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=929


  • #98
    Reoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Reoil


    This forum has definitely gone to the dogs. As a visitor for many a year (not under this profile mind you) I've gradually watched it going tits-up.
    Intrusive mods and the making of unnecessary sub-forums being the main culprits.

    Bring back fajitas! :p


  • #99
    MudSkipper
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭MudSkipper


    Reoil wrote: »
    Bring back fajitas! Oriel :p

    fyp :pac:

    I too posted with an old account, but not so much anymore... not due to loss of interest, I still lurk a bit.. but simply not enough time for photography....... doing an MSc while working full time is killer, end is in sight tho :-)


  • #100
    superflyninja
    Registered Users Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭superflyninja


    ive found myself with less time to take photos much less process them and so my quality of shot has declined. but in the meantime the standard of photos being posted has shot so far up i feel there is no point in me posting any shots. Also since the general standard is so high i wouldnt feel right attempting to give feedback to others. i do feel that there isnt much actual in depth feedback given in cc threads either. i do follow a good few of togs from boards on twitter but its not very useful, there is no C&C on twitter....what would get me coming back is more of a spread of talents and loads more camera and PP techniques...


  • #101
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    superflyninja wrote: »
    i feel there is no point in me posting any shots.
    Me hoop.

    Take photos and put them up here for C&C. You imply that your photos are becoming worse? Bah! Post them up, and you may find that improving them may just need a small tweak.


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