New England Patriots thread (MOD WARNING - #4503)

JCTO · 30-06-2015 3:48am

This is getting stupid now. The whole Kraft not supporting Brady nonsense that is. Robert Kraft and the Patriots appealing has absolutely nothing to do with Tom Brady's case. We don't know if Kraft being in the US or sending support Tom would have done anything to help Tom out. That is nothing more than speculation. We also don't know how Tom feels about it all or if Tom and Bob actually discussed his case. All of this anger is nothing more than being angry at the unknown. We also don't know if Bob didn't already speak to his good friend Roger about Tom either which is possible.

As for Kraft not appealing. Yes it sucked but he had his reasons and whether we like it or not he really owes us nothing and he will do what he thinks is best for him and his asset which is the Patriots simple as.

Got to love those who are hell bent on calling out Kraft. No actual proof of how Brady and Bill feel about it but they are almost speaking on behalf of every fan and Tom and Bill.

To all those who want to boo Robert Kraft, Go for it I say but don't tell us the majority agree with you. Add to that I hope it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside knowing you wasted your breath. It is hilarious to think people feel booing him will make a difference. Kraft wont give two sh1ts if he gets booed as you know why? The stadium will be full and he will be making his money.

As for Tom Brady we would all love to see him on the field. We all feel he was punished harshly but don't connect dots where there isn't between his case and Kraft folding like a cheap suit. Tom Brady is a fighter and he and his team are smart and sure as hell know a lot more than we do when it comes to Bob and co. I would go out on a limb and say the whole Kraft folding doesn't bother him as much as it does the fans and if it did he most certainly understands why the owner did what he did.

JCTO · 30-06-2015 3:50am

eagle eye wrote: »

He came out shouting about how he would be looking for an apology, he came out only a week before accepting the penalty saying that he was fighting all the way. Then he backtracks and then makes a careful statement about opening night by not mentioning any names.

This is how the business world works. Someone gets all hell bent on fighting something until someone reminds them of the ramifications of doing so and they back down and look stupid. How you can't see it was all business when it came to his decision is beyond me. If you honestly feel Kraft did it as a cowardly act or not growing a pair you are sadly naive.

Hazys · 30-06-2015 4:15am

Hazys wrote: »

Bullet to brain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvDfkojKKSs

Try harder JJ Watt

https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/615550499018928128

Adamcp898 · 30-06-2015 9:49am

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

If this goes to court it's hard to know how it pans put. The CBA is an issue alright and Brady is obligated by it. However, I think every time a player Vs NFL has gone to court in recent years, the court has largely sided with the players.

Eagle also mentioned the money issue and I think Brady could make a case for an employer imposing a very excessive penalty. His legal team could also argue, that this has led to an employee suffering a loss of earnings & damage to his reputation beyond the penalty imposed.

We also have Brady's record. His disciplinary record has been impeccable throughout his career. Indeed, he's been an NFL poster boy for most of it. Then he gets raped by the league for something that nobody can prove. And nobody even knows what that something is.

We then have an issue of precedents in two respects. Firstly, the NFL rule book mentions a fine of $25,000 for tampering with a balls psi levels. So Brady's penalty was completely ridiculous in light of this.

The next precedent is the issue of handing over a phone. Brett Farve never handed over his phone to the NFL, as was his right. Yet he only received a fine of $50,000 dollars. Gostkowski also refused to hand his phone over and he received no sanction whatsoever. Brady has the resources to have the best fighting his case and it would be very intriguing to see how they attack the league in court.

One aspect from the clown Wells report, alone was the behaviour of the league. The blatant leaks and the misinformation they put out where not even addressed by Wells. Of course as someone who help reduced the leagues liability to head injuries, he was never an impartial investigator anyway. And I'm still stumped as to why Kraft even agreed to his involvement. In court, Brady's team could expose this lack of investigation of the leagues front office & their leaks. Leaks that could be viewed as deliberately damaging to Brady.

One thing that I think is pretty certain, the next CBA negotiations due in 2021 could be pretty nasty. The NFLPA will no doubt want the commissioner replaced and his disciplinary powers reduced by independent arbitration. Invariably, the owners and the league will not want this and I think we could be facing a lockout season in the 2021.

Well you've clearly given it more thought than me!

I wonder though if the outcome of this appeal was to remove any monetary punishment but still leave the game suspension, or at least some of it, in place would the courts be as interested?

I mean once the argument of someone being allowed to take an excessive amount of money from another didn't exist would the court be bothered with having to decide on how many matches a football player should miss? especially since it had already went through an appeals process.

Given how judges are appointed in the states and the advantage it is for them to keep their name in circulation, then I guess they won't have any bother finding one to hear such a high profile case but I think in Europe they wouldn't even consider bringing this to a court other than CAS and there'd even be a chance they wouldn't take it.

Adamcp898 · 30-06-2015 9:52am

Hazys wrote: »

Try harder JJ Watt

https://twitter.com/JJWatt/status/615550499018928128

That is so cringe worthy I can barely watch it.

The way he stands over him, puts on his sunglasses, then poses and stares out over the crowd.........

Dare I say set up?

eagle eye · 30-06-2015 10:08am

JCTO wrote: »

This is how the business world works. Someone gets all hell bent on fighting something until someone reminds them of the ramifications of doing so and they back down and look stupid. How you can't see it was all business when it came to his decision is beyond me. If you honestly feel Kraft did it as a cowardly act or not growing a pair you are sadly naive.

I said it was all about money, I never said he was a coward or anything close to it.

Also re your other post. I am not going to enjoy booing him, I just think it has to be done to show him that we are very disappointed.

And some people on here are saying how great Bob Kraft has been for the New England Patriots. I have always held the man in the same regard as Belichick and Brady. I've even said before that the owner is the most important man in a franchise.

I think he has undone a lot of great work by accepting a penalty for cheating.

Do you not understand that we are now officially cheaters in the season we won a Superbowl?

eagle eye · 30-06-2015 10:45am

Just a little side story. A new tv show started which I liked the pilot of apart from one little piece where the star of the show is doing a monologue about how the world works and part of it is how our heroes are often deceivers and they show pictures of Lance Armstrong, Bill Cosby and Tom Brady.

This is one of the reasons that I believe that Brady wants his name cleared. To be associated with Armstrong and Cosby in any way, shape or form is just ridiculous but it's already happened in a tv show.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 30-06-2015 11:15am

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you not understand that we are now officially cheaters in the season we won a Superbowl?

I don't know EE. I've seen a lot of non-NE fans claim Brady to be close to the GOAT after his MVP performance against a great D in the SB (and there's no issue about the balls in that game).

Son Of A Vidic · 30-06-2015 1:58pm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Well you've clearly given it more thought than me!

I wonder though if the outcome of this appeal was to remove any monetary punishment but still leave the game suspension, or at least some of it, in place would the courts be as interested?

I mean once the argument of someone being allowed to take an excessive amount of money from another didn't exist would the court be bothered with having to decide on how many matches a football player should miss? especially since it had already went through an appeals process.

Given how judges are appointed in the states and the advantage it is for them to keep their name in circulation, then I guess they won't have any bother finding one to hear such a high profile case but I think in Europe they wouldn't even consider bringing this to a court other than CAS and there'd even be a chance they wouldn't take it.

Even if there was no financial penalty imposed, I think Brady's team can still argue what has been the financial loss to Brady's brand and commercial interests by a league that has proven nothing? That's what makes Brady's case particular interesting, there isn't a shred of hard evidence against him.

Brady's team will also undo the myth that Goodell was somehow independent when hearing Brady's appeal. Of course judge mightn't want to involved himself in the internal wranglings of the NFL, no matter how unjust or unfair they have treated Brady.

But Brady's has some of the top legal brains on his side. I read somewhere that the US constitution could be invoked RE: a breach of Brady's constitutional rights. And if Brady's team have that as a line of attack involving the constitution. Then no Judge in the land can brush the case aside as an internal sporting body matter. Because in the US, the individuals constitutional rights are sacrosanct.

Interestingly, I came across this nugget earlier. Apparently the corrupt clowns who produced the science in the Wells report - Exponent. Were once again exposed for what they really are. A company that produces scientifically questionable made-to-order reports for their clients.

On May 11, this Court granted Plaintiffs’ Motion to Compel Production of Documents contained on Exponent, Inc.’s Privilege Log … within seven (7) days of the Court’s Order. Exponent has failed to comply with this Order and had indicated that it will continue to disregard this Court’s May 11 order.”
“[T]he Court cannot allow Exponent to stand in violation of a valid Court Order compelling the production of documents.”
“Methodologically sound science has nothing to fear from full and open disclosure.”
“[T]he Court finds that Exponent’s refusal to comply with its May 11, 2015 Order is unreasonable and evidence of deliberate disregard for the court’s authority.”

http://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/06/29/wells-report-science-firm-exponent-gets-whacked-by-court-order/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

So in many ways I'm hoping Goodell doesn't exonerate Brady. Because if it does go to trial and a Judge wants to get to the bottom of it all. Then I believe the NFL and Goodell are in for a serious legal beating. Of course a judge could rule it's an internal labour relations matter and let the NFL off the hook, that's always a risk. But I'm guessing Brady's legal eagles are smart enough to get Brady his day in court.

JaMarcusHustle · 30-06-2015 7:58pm

Added this one to the collection today, very hard to get. Decided to go for the older ones now while they're somewhat not impossible to get. I have 12 more various 2001-2004 bobbleheads in the post

JCTO · 30-06-2015 9:56pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I said it was all about money, I never said he was a coward or anything close to it.

I didn't say you personally

Also re your other post. I am not going to enjoy booing him, I just think it has to be done to show him that we are very disappointed.

As I said waste of breath and silly

And some people on here are saying how great Bob Kraft has been for the New England Patriots. I have always held the man in the same regard as Belichick and Brady. I've even said before that the owner is the most important man in a franchise.

I think he has undone a lot of great work by accepting a penalty for cheating.

So one incident has brought him from great to nothing? Even though the it was a business decision by him that he believes was in the best interest of the team whether we agree or not.

He has undone great work how? A lot of the haters keep saying this without backing it up. How has he undone the great work? He may have not helped the teams reputation with the haters but that is it.

Do you not understand that we are now officially cheaters in the season we won a Superbowl?

So what. We dealt with the spygate easily and anyone with a brain knows the deflategate was nothing but nonsense. I really don't care what anybody thinks of the Pats. Others will forever call us cheats no matter what.

eagle eye · 01-07-2015 2:27pm

JCTO wrote: »

Even though the it was a business decision by him that he believes was in the best interest of the team whether we agree or not.

It was a decision that is best for his pocket, not for the team. How can you think this is good for the team. How can taking a penalty for cheating when you vehemently deny there was any wrongdoing be good for the team?

JCTO · 01-07-2015 2:50pm

eagle eye wrote: »

How can you think this is good for the team.

Where in any my posts did I say that I think this is good for the team? Stop with the putting words in my mouth. Not the first time you have done this.

It was a decision that is best for his pocket, not for the team.

It is all business to him. The team has more than the one entity of football. He is a fooking businessman and it baffles me how you can't see that. Of course it benefits his pocket. He wants to stay as an owner he wants the money to keep rolling in as an owner. Of course he is going to protect himself and his assets.

How can taking a penalty for cheating when you vehemently deny there was any wrongdoing be good for the team?

Oh for fook sake this is going around in circles at this point. Look everybody including Kraft knows the Pats did nothing wrong. Well except the haters and the blind fools. But sometimes when your hands are tied and the odds are stacked against you when it comes to business you got to do what you got to do.

All suggestions pointed at Kraft losing all confidence and backing by the other owners. If he felt that he was going to roll with them and not against them for business reasons and to keep his team.

What I don't get here is that none of us truly know how he feels about having to make that decision. For all we know it was the hardest decision he ever made but one he had to make.

I am done on this. You continue to cling to whatever it is you believe about Kraft and then boo him on opening night. Out of curiosity will you be actually at the game to boo him? Or sitting on couch booing him?

eagle eye · 01-07-2015 4:04pm

JCTO wrote: »

Out of curiosity will you be actually at the game to boo him? Or sitting on couch booing him?

I'll be at the game.

Well as long as Brady's ban is gone. I won't go if Brady is suspended. As I've said already I am considering walking away from the game completely if Brady doesn't get his name cleared. It's just gone too far now for me. This thing has just ripped the heart out of me.

01-07-2015 4:13pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'll be at the game.

Well as long as Brady's ban is gone. I won't go if Brady is suspended. As I've said already I am considering walking away from the game completely if Brady doesn't get his name cleared. It's just gone too far now for me. This thing has just ripped the heart out of me.

jesus christ its 4 games if you will leave for that you may as well leave now

JCTO · 01-07-2015 7:24pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'll be at the game.

Well as long as Brady's ban is gone. I won't go if Brady is suspended. As I've said already I am considering walking away from the game completely if Brady doesn't get his name cleared. It's just gone too far now for me. This thing has just ripped the heart out of me.

So much for a die hard fan. Its funny to see guys react like this. Call themselves die hard criticise other fans for how die hard they are and then threaten to walk away from the game when something sh1t happens. As a die hard fan you should follow your team to the end of earth and then back and overcome any crap thrown our way.

Tom Brady if forced to do all 4 games will come back firing on all cylinders and I for one am excited to see how he responds to his ban on the field. You got to roll with the hand that life deals you and move on and Tom Brady will do exactly that as will the Pats with or without you.

On a side note I thought about doing it for a brief moment and felt the same way and then asked myself would I have the ability to stay away. Fook no I can't even walk away from this bloody forum nevermind the NFL and the Patriots. It is like Crack in my veins.

Vandango · 02-07-2015 2:50pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'll be at the game.

Well as long as Brady's ban is gone. I won't go if Brady is suspended. As I've said already I am considering walking away from the game completely if Brady doesn't get his name cleared. It's just gone too far now for me. This thing has just ripped the heart out of me.

Eagle, I'm sure you were a fan before ever Kraft took over. So don't walk away ffs.

eagle eye · 03-07-2015 1:56am

Vandango wrote: »

Eagle, I'm sure you were a fan before ever Kraft took over. So don't walk away ffs.

If I walk away it won't be over Kraft. It'll be goodell and the NFL hierarchy that will be responsible for that.

JaMarcusHustle · 07-07-2015 9:57pm

Beyond doubting that I have a problem now. New shipment today.

Son Of A Vidic · 10-07-2015 3:25pm

Jamie Collins just having some fun and not many guys of his size, or in the wider NFL could do this....

https://instagram.com/p/47MNSRgGFs/

Itssoeasy · 10-07-2015 9:49pm

I see Greg Hardys suspension has been reduced to 4 games from 10. If Brady doesn't get his reduced or scrapped then patriots fans will go mental.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 11-07-2015 12:04am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I see Greg Hardys suspension has been reduced to 4 games from 10. If Brady doesn't get his reduced or scrapped then patriots fans will go mental.

Not really. The whole thing has been handled horribly from the start. Even if the suspension is lifted entirely, this is close to the biggest waste of time/coverage/money that the NFL has been involved.
Would anyone be surprised if Rodger decided to increase the suspension to 6 games? I wouldn't given the way this farce has been overseen by the NFL.

6 months. That how long this has been going on, and it's still not finalised. And this was the off-season, with plenty of time to get it done and dusted. Crazy stuff. It's being dragged out at every opportunity and has become boring at this stage.

Vandango · 11-07-2015 3:06pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Jamie Collins just having some fun and not many guys of his size, or in the wider NFL could do this....

https://instagram.com/p/47MNSRgGFs/

That's crazy. Collins is just an athletic freak.

JCTO · 15-07-2015 6:27pm

Single game tickets available today on ticketmaster

Hazys · 15-07-2015 6:39pm

JCTO wrote: »

Single game tickets available today on ticketmaster

Got mine for the Jags and Bills games.

me89 · 15-07-2015 7:40pm

Gostkowski signs 4 year deal worth $17.2 million

Langdon Alger · 15-07-2015 9:39pm

An excerpt from Gronks book about his back injury that kept him out of his junior year in Arizona.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/07/15/rob-gronkowski-book-excerpt-arizona-injury/

Son Of A Vidic · 16-07-2015 12:00am

me89 wrote: »

Gostkowski signs 4 year deal worth $17.2 million

He's the best kicker in the league imo and I'm glad to see the new contract sorted out.

Son Of A Vidic · 16-07-2015 3:43pm

We kinda knew it was coming but now it's official, Dan Connolly has retired.

"It's important to me to leave the game healthy," Connolly said. "I'm able to be here for my kids and walk away on my own terms. I feel like I got everything I could out of football in playing 10 years, winning a Super Bowl, and playing alongside some truly great players."...

...."With my football career coming to a close I am grateful for the opportunity given to me by the Kraft family and Coach [Bill] Belichick. It is an honor to have been part of such a great organization for the past eight seasons."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13265711/veteran-ol-dan-connolly-new-england-patriots-retires

His career epitomised everything about the Patriots. A guy everybody overlooked, became an indispensable starter on the OL. Thanks for everything Dan and you've left us with something very, very special.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAOK43zgi7w

Best.Return.Ever.:D

AbusesToilets · 16-07-2015 5:40pm

Love that

Shedite27 · 16-07-2015 6:44pm

One of my favourite Pats - always wondered how far back you'd have to go to find his Irish heritage

Son Of A Vidic · 18-07-2015 6:22pm

With Revis, Browner, Dennard and Arrington gone and predictions that the Pats secondary will return to its previous bad habits. You wonder who our starters will be in 2015. I'm a big Butler fan since he was catching the eye in preseason last year and I think he will secure his own starting slot. Despite some negative performances last season, some think Logan Ryan will start alongside him. But I'm not so sure about that unless he has a very good camp.

One player I am very interested though is our 7th round pick Darryl Roberts. Could this guy surprise everyone and be the next Butler to get on the roster? He has the length, athleticism and physical attributes of a top CB and his weaknesses seem to be easily coach-able. He's my dark horse for camp and maybe the reason Bill was happy to lose our 4 top DB's, was because he is confident he's got the talent to get the job done in 2015 and surprise everyone.

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150717/SPORTS/150719320

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/darryl-roberts?id=2553353

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-07-2015 12:22pm

I fear for our secondary.

I don't think that Devin is worth the money given to him, but was more down to the lack of alternatives on the market or in the draft. He will need to make a lot of plays this year to justify the deal given to him.

Butler I like. But I'd still prefer if he had another year to learn and improve before becoming a starter. He made one of the most amazing SB plays, but eliminating that, he looked like a decent rookie. Hope he can make the step up.

Ryan as a starter worries me a lot. His regression last year was alarming. And this year, with Revis/Browner/Dennard/Arrington gone, I don't see his play getting better.

I think we could see a lot of games like the 2011 season, where we give up 20-25pts a game, but score 25-30pts a game. We'll be contenders, but the secondary is a play way from losing us the game.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-07-2015 2:22pm

Ya we did overpay for McCourty, I thought he get something like $40 - $42 million, but he ended up with $47.5 million. Way overpriced but unfortunately he was the best Safety in the market, other teams were after him and we had to overpay to keep him.

What excites me most about Butler is his ability to stamp out mistakes. The story we heard after the SB was the perfect example. We practiced his game winning play on the Thursday before the Superbowl and he gave up the TD. Belichick said to him afterwards ‘Malcolm, you've gotta be on that.'”. Butler learned his lesson and made one of the SB plays of all time the following Sunday. His ability to improve and not repeat his mistake is something a lot of our DB's don't seem to have. 2015 will show us what he can do, but I am confident in the kid.

But let's look at the worse case scenario. If we go back to having a secondary that gives up big plays on 3rd & long. Then in a way it will be business as usual where it will be Tom carrying the team and covering up for our defensive shortcomings. But I don't think it will come to that, because I think the talent and increasing aggression from the D line will help offset some of the weaknesses in the backfield.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-07-2015 6:30pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

We practiced his game winning play on the Thursday before the Superbowl and he gave up the TD. Belichick said to him afterwards ‘Malcolm, you've gotta be on that.'”. Butler learned his lesson and made one of the SB plays of all time the following Sunday.

I have watched that play close to 100 times, I'm not kidding.
His reading and speedy anticipation of the play is part of what makes it such a great individual play by Butler. It's why I do have a lot of time for the kid.

For me it's the play of 2014 (and I love that OJB catch), given the game, the attention of the World, the time on the clock and a rookie with zero expectations; reading/making that play.
Yeah, I'm off to watch it again a few times.

Son Of A Vidic · 19-07-2015 7:40pm

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I have watched that play close to 100 times, I'm not kidding.
His reading and speedy anticipation of the play is part of what makes it such a great individual play by Butler. It's why I do have a lot of time for the kid.

For me it's the play of 2014 (and I love that OJB catch), given the game, the attention of the World, the time on the clock and a rookie with zero expectations; reading/making that play.
Yeah, I'm off to watch it again a few times.

The odds are always very heavily stacked against a defense, when teams goes for that last play the Seahawks went for. And the more you look at it, the more amazing Butler's play gets. He had no right to make it and yet there he was.

The OJB was catch was amazing but nothing depended on it, there was no pressure, it was just a randomly spectacular catch. Butler had to make a spectacular play to stop a TD, on the biggest stage, with all the pressure, in the biggest game of a player's life. And like yourself, that also makes it my play of 2014.

AbusesToilets · 19-07-2015 10:33pm

That play embodied total commitment from Butler. He didn't just intercept the ball, he blasted Lockette out of it, absolutely smashed him and still managed to hold onto the ball at the same time. Utter class.

AbusesToilets · 19-07-2015 10:35pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Ya we did overpay for McCourty, I thought he get something like $40 - $42 million, but he ended up with $47.5 million. Way overpriced but unfortunately he was the best Safety in the market, other teams were after him and we had to overpay to keep him.

What excites me most about Butler is his ability to stamp out mistakes. The story we heard after the SB was the perfect example. We practiced his game winning play on the Thursday before the Superbowl and he gave up the TD. Belichick said to him afterwards ‘Malcolm, you've gotta be on that.'”. Butler learned his lesson and made one of the SB plays of all time the following Sunday. His ability to improve and not repeat his mistake is something a lot of our DB's don't seem to have. 2015 will show us what he can do, but I am confident in the kid.

But let's look at the worse case scenario. If we go back to having a secondary that gives up big plays on 3rd & long. Then in a way it will be business as usual where it will be Tom carrying the team and covering up for our defensive shortcomings. But I don't think it will come to that, because I think the talent and increasing aggression from the D line will help offset some of the weaknesses in the backfield.

I'm really interested to see what shape the pass rush will take this season, seems like that is the direction the Defense will lean towards, probably to compensate for the weaker secondary.

paulie21 · 24-07-2015 2:12pm

CB Tarrel Brown signed to one year deal

me89 · 28-07-2015 7:49pm

Brady's suspension upheld, looks like it's going to court.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 28-07-2015 8:31pm

me89 wrote: »

Brady's suspension upheld, looks like it's going to court.

As I previously stated, I'm not surprised.
The NFL under Goodell; what they think Brady did = what Hardy did

Son Of A Vidic · 29-07-2015 12:14am

For anyone who thought Kraft knew what he was doing, that there was some gentleman's agreement with Gooddell, that he wouldn't have backed down otherwise. Well they got their answer today.

AbusesToilets · 29-07-2015 2:03am

I just hope that the report gets the legal tear down it deserves. I'm interested to see the angle they take in their appeal. Will it be against the report itself, as a utterly specious document, or will it go after the non co-operation angle.

BizzyC · 29-07-2015 7:58am

Very strong language in the statement from the Patriots.

"We are extremely disappointed in today’s ruling by Commissioner Goodell. We cannot comprehend the league’s position in this matter. Most would agree that the penalties levied originally were excessive and unprecedented, especially in light of the fact that the league has no hard evidence of wrongdoing. We continue to unequivocally believe in and support Tom Brady. We also believe that the laws of science continue to underscore the folly of this entire ordeal. Given all of this, it is incomprehensible as to why the league is attempting to destroy the reputation of one of its greatest players and representatives."

Realalemadrid · 29-07-2015 8:42am

Gas how Goodell knew Brady destroyed his mobile phone yet missed Ray Rice beating up his wife as he watched a cc tv of the two of them in a lift.

This is the strangest off season story ever.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 29-07-2015 12:07pm

Realalemadrid wrote: »

yet missed Ray Rice beating up his wife as he watched a cc tv of the two of them in a lift.

#nflintegrity

bruschi · 29-07-2015 3:14pm

"I was wrong to put my faith in the league" - Bob Kraft.

He was divisive on here, but he spoke very well there.

bruschi · 29-07-2015 3:17pm

Bill in his best media mode right now.

"We're going to continue to get ready for the 2015 season"

eagle eye · 29-07-2015 3:52pm

I won't be booing Kraft in Gillette after reading that statement.

Son Of A Vidic · 29-07-2015 6:09pm

Those words from Mr.Kraft were just what a lot of us angry fans needed to hear. Very classy for him to apologise to us fans and to Brady himself. It's now abundantly clear to me that Bob loves & respects Brady so much, he was willing to take an unjust punishment if it meant the NFL would do the right thing for Brady. So I really appreciate those words from Mr. Kraft earlier and he has won back my respect completely.:) #GoPats #GoBob

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