Teachers on the doss!

I'm just waiting for the day that a Nigerian, Polish, asylum seeking, paedophilic, dole scrounging, Fianna Fáil/public sector supporting, Muslim single mother gets a job as a teacher.

Just to see the AH reaction.

RoundTower wrote: »

as of 2 years ago, the primary school I attended (Scoil Chaoimhin Naofa in Laragh Co. Wicklow) had something like 10 full time members of staff (4 teachers, 1 secretary, 1 resource teacher, 4 special needs assistants) and 90 pupils.

One teacher for junior/senior infants, one for 1st/2nd, one for 3rd/4th, one for 5th/6th class. One special needs child in each class (pretty good going) deserves an SNA. If a child has moderate/ profound special needs they will be allocated resource hours, that's where the resource teacher comes in. That makes perfect sense.

90 pupils divided by 4 teachers is 22 roughly per class.

no, it doesn't mean that. If the support teachers were only working 1 hour a week then (hopefully) the department isn't paying them to do a full time job, and they weren't counted in the OP's statistics.

It sounds like your school has a pupil:teacher ratio of 8:1 or 9:1 or something. Even LESS than the 16:1 suggested in the OP, and way LESS than the 30:1 the teachers' unions would have you believe.

Whatever about the standard of journalism in the Sunday World, they got this one right. There are a lot of teachers doing very little teaching and no amount of self-entitled ranting in this thread disguises that.

There is no such thing as a 8:1 or 9:1 ratio. There is a 15:1 ratio as I and another poster pointed out for band 1 DEIS disadvantaged schools for the junior end. I work in one of them. There are 98 pupils on roll and 6 class teachers, 2 language and 2 learning support. It's a multi grade school.

A language teacher works a FULL DAY!! They are allocated and shared between the children that need them. So could be in one classroom for 1 hour for 8 children. Then in with another teacher for another hour and then takes children in groups of 3/4 also during the day (depending on their level) and has a FULL timetable. If a child has had Lang Support for a year they count as a 1/3 of a child. A junior/senior infant with NO English counts as half a child. :rolleyes: You need 30:1 ratio to keep a LST teacher in a post. So if you have 29 "bits of children", then the teacher gets let go and those kids lose out.

Same goes for Resource and Learning Support teachers (you might know them as "remedial teachers"). They are spread out during the day and a lot of effort goes into working out allocated times e.g. OK X child (with SN) has 45 min per day allocated, take him out individually for 35 min each day and then you can add all the left over 10 minutes into one 50 min slot where that teacher comes in for a maths/ reading class with his group (in the classroom alongside the class teacher) to give extra support to the other struggling children that don't qualify for 1 -1 learning support.

**For other teachers reading this, I know it isn't 100% on board, but it's generally done anyways.

You following me?

But hey, if you want weak and struggling children to fall between the cracks then that's just fine. Very admirable of you. You fit right in with the DES. They are cutting language hours, SNAs, learning support hours and teachers left, right and centre.

Sunday World = Rag. They get nothing right, neither does that pathetic excuse for a journalist they have there.

randylonghorn wrote: »

Sunday World.

Though the comments transfer without much difficulty ...

Oh I apologise to News of the World. I will amend my post.

Shows how much attention I pay to those papers..