World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor

Lone Stone · 30-08-2014 10:28pm

Dam it i signed up, mite start fresh any one recomend a good server besides bladefist,
evenly balanced twould be good !

Calhoun · 31-08-2014 1:14pm

Only balanced server is defias, everything else is unbalanced.

MagicIRL · 31-08-2014 1:45pm

I always used http://wow.realmpop.com/eu.html for seeing what realm has what (roughly) - although it's less of an issue now that specific zones are cross-realm.

Auction Houses will also be cross-faction in Warlords, so that won't be an issue either.

TheDoc · 02-09-2014 3:08pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

I always used http://wow.realmpop.com/eu.html for seeing what realm has what (roughly) - although it's less of an issue now that specific zones are cross-realm.

Auction Houses will also be cross-faction in Warlords, so that won't be an issue either.

Major issue if your a gold farmer like me. They are already dumbing and watering down proffesions, so diveristy of stock is going to plummet. Which already means an increase in competition since there is say for example, less slots in gear to gem. So more competition for what will be a shrunken market.

Add to that cross realm, and I'm struggling to see how I'll make gold in the new expansion, which pains me as its a personal enjoyment of mine

KilOit · 03-09-2014 2:45pm

Can't believe how inflated gold is, I see people trying to sell items costing near to gold cap of 1 mil. How would someone even get close to that?

Vicxas · 03-09-2014 10:04pm

KilOit wrote: »

Can't believe how inflated gold is, I see people trying to sell items costing near to gold cap of 1 mil. How would someone even get close to that?

People are just being stupid now, the problem is that Blizz is also inflating the prices of old items.

Example: The Thundra mammoth used to be 3K in WOTLK, now its kissing near 12K to buy.

The most ridiculous price inflation is Pets by far. And rare vanity items like Tabard of the Lightbringer.

TheDoc · 04-09-2014 11:02am

Ugh. Last Prince buff supposidly before WoD. And I have got the benefit of it for two days before I've hit the Valor quest which takes 3 weeks. Wanted to get this done ASAP on my new main since the guild are raiding flex and normals.

And the Valor part not being removed until October. I'd say by the time I finish the valor part, they will probably ****ing remove it.

TheDoc · 04-09-2014 11:12am

Vicxas wrote: »

People are just being stupid now, the problem is that Blizz is also inflating the prices of old items.

Example: The Thundra mammoth used to be 3K in WOTLK, now its kissing near 12K to buy.

The most ridiculous price inflation is Pets by far. And rare vanity items like Tabard of the Lightbringer.

Obviously the prices rose Simply put gold is easy as **** to make, and requires no brainpower anymore. 50k is the new 10k .

Granted I've stopped plaiyng my mains and moved over to another realm with fresh proffs, but on my mains I was getting about 60k a week income. (My problem on that realm was having to spend 50k, so only 10k profit)

60k was always a nice comfort spot, I had hit a couple of 100k before, but it's such a timesink. So I was content with 10k profit a week from the minimal time I was investing.

Vanity items and the likes are exactly that, vanity. They are a way for people with lots of gold to show off and get flashy.

I don't think anyone is to blame for this, WoW have a very fluid economy, that dips, rises, goes mental and then gets stable. It makes sense that some older items got their prices bumped.

I dinged my new main this week and first stop was the Auction house. Crafted Boots, belt and pants are BIS until Heroic SOO. Cost me about 10k for the lot. Which is mad considering I was selling the pants myself for 40k earlier in the expansion. But as more quantities have come along, with more people able to craft them, they just drop in price.

MagicIRL · 04-09-2014 11:20am

The economy is broken. I'm doing that stupid legendary cloak quest and have to spam LFR for the Secrets of the Empire. I've done Throne of Thunder and Siege of Orgrimmar, add in to that the Shadowpan Dailies (5 or so quests) and the daily dungeon, and I've made about 1.5k by just playing the game.

If you really went about it you could make gold with ease. I was selling Embersilk Bags, for example, for nearly 400g per bag for essentially 15mins work farming the cloth.

Calhoun · 04-09-2014 12:51pm

The economy is not broken, if your on a dead realm yes that can happen but on full servers with a healthy population you can see that although its easy to make money its also easy to spend it.

Repairs for example, if you go to near 10% durability repair can cost up to 200G, depening on your group just one wing of LFR can can cost you this.

If your gemming and enchanting you can see that they cost quite a bit of money.

TheDoc · 04-09-2014 2:14pm

It's not broken at all, there is such a high turnover now with gear, and the assosiated gems and enchants and reforges, obviously players are spending more on their characters maintenance and upkeep then they ever did.

The economy, oddly enough, is never broken. While sometimes there might be inflation of pricing, that simply develops from a shortage of supply. It's that simple.

WoD will definitly reign in the flow of gold in the game, as gear optimisation slows way down ( only certain gear can be gemed, certain gear enchanted, reforging gone). So immediately the turnover rate of sales will drop, and competition will stiffen. Undercutting violently will be back as a mainstay and sellers will only be grinding out small profits on small volumes. So the economy will definitly shrink.

It's also worth remembering the economy explodes during the early part of a new expansion. Gathering proffesions, providing raw materials, is a great place to get involved in if you have a character with a gathering proffesions, or room for one.

Remember that in WOD gatheirng proffs will feed into everything. Jewelcrafting requires herbs now to make gems, so the usefullness has expanded. Tailoring, blacksmithing, leatherworking can all make gear sets from the get go, so there will be high demand for raw materials.

Gatheirng proffesions always lead the way in a new expansion to generate large profit, and this one more then ever. But in time things will settle again, whereby someone like me, goes along to buy the materials raw, and then turn them into something for drastically more profit.

Gathering gives you a short term bump in income, but longterm is terrible time / profit ratios. Same for farming in general in fairness.

MagicIRL · 05-09-2014 8:27am

I still haven't actually bought Warlords. I was going to get the Collectors Edition, but I don't like the Mount, Pet or even own Diablo/Starcraft. Shame.

ryanakabyitz · 05-09-2014 3:24pm

i have given up on wow till wod. sick of it

ShadowHearth · 08-09-2014 10:28pm

I got pandaria since launch and still don't have level 90... I came back a month ago and got my priest to level 87 so far.
I was actually having fun until I hit pandaria. I just really don't like the art style and atmosphere of pandaria...I will push it through anyway and will try to see at least some of its content.
The new expansion on the other hand has me pumped up. A lot of people calling it the new TBC and I loved it back in the day. Plus no more flying mounts in new areas!!! Fecking sweet!!!!!!!

PropJoe10 · 08-09-2014 10:56pm

I really liked the questing in Pandaria, but not sure how much I'm gonna play in WoD. Probably will go back for the pre-expac event but after that, I'm not really sure. Gotten really sick of it, that legendary cloak quest chain in MoP really took the good out of it for me!

Calhoun · 09-09-2014 2:47am

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I really liked the questing in Pandaria, but not sure how much I'm gonna play in WoD. Probably will go back for the pre-expac event but after that, I'm not really sure. Gotten really sick of it, that legendary cloak quest chain in MoP really took the good out of it for me!

I have 3-4 legendary cloaks lol, as far as gaining a legendary which is supposed hard to get this was relatively easy.

Especially with the buffs later on it was so easy.

MagicIRL · 09-09-2014 8:23am

Calhoun wrote: »

I have 3-4 legendary cloaks lol, as far as gaining a legendary which is supposed hard to get this was relatively easy.

Especially with the buffs later on it was so easy.

There is nothing remotely challenging about having to grind items over the course of raid resets, buff or no buff.

I would love to see the legendary ring quest line in WoD (that the Dev's have said will have no grinding or pvp) go the way of the Warlock green fire quest and you know... be somewhat challenging. Basing part of it on ability to understand fight mechanics or your class would be a great idea. The fact I wiped several times on the final boss fight for my Green Fire made it all the more desirable.

PropJoe10 · 09-09-2014 9:33am

Calhoun wrote: »

I have 3-4 legendary cloaks lol, as far as gaining a legendary which is supposed hard to get this was relatively easy.

Especially with the buffs later on it was so easy.

I'm assuming you're a raider then - I had to trawl my way through endless raid finders to get the drops, found it to be absolutely horrendous. LFR has ruined WoW in my view, its just a forum for trolls and idiots. Quite enjoyed the rest of it but the raid parts were unbearable!

Calhoun · 09-09-2014 11:18am

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I'm assuming you're a raider then - I had to trawl my way through endless raid finders to get the drops, found it to be absolutely horrendous. LFR has ruined WoW in my view, its just a forum for trolls and idiots. Quite enjoyed the rest of it but the raid parts were unbearable!

Not really no, i have raided this past patch of course but i pugged my way to SOO kills and to do that i had to get the cloak through raid finder/flex.

LFR is bad but you could do flex, my point however was being able to get a legendary from LFR ect is so easy compared to past versions of legendary quests (no way you could get if from LFR).

The only hard part was the fights with the black prince ect which was kinda difficult from the perspective you had to think.

PropJoe10 · 09-09-2014 11:51am

Calhoun wrote: »

Not really no, i have raided this past patch of course but i pugged my way to SOO kills and to do that i had to get the cloak through raid finder/flex.

LFR is bad but you could do flex, my point however was being able to get a legendary from LFR ect is so easy compared to past versions of legendary quests (no way you could get if from LFR).

The only hard part was the fights with the black prince ect which was kinda difficult from the perspective you had to think.

Yeah its not hard at all but by God is it boring. Fair play to you for persisting with it 4 times, I completed it once and said to myself "NEVER AGAIN"! haha

The Black Prince fights were tough but cool. The melee dps one was very tricky, I ended up doing the tanking one which I found to be the easiest.

Calhoun · 09-09-2014 11:57am

It wasnt so bad as i just did it as part of character gearing, i also got lucky with the boost items they had. I did the runestone section in one week, i did find that in the end though as people got more gear getting through LFR became quite easy.

shruikan2553 · 09-09-2014 12:10pm

It wasnt hard but I was able to do SoO and was sitting there doing to IoT every week to get very few of the relics. I just gave up eventually.

Companion box · 09-09-2014 1:16pm

So glad raid finder is basically becoming tourist mode in the expansion. But all its going to do is dump all those horrible players into pick up normal groups unfortunately.

Calhoun · 09-09-2014 1:29pm

They will have to adapt or stop playing as they will be kicked quite fast from a pug.

Kiith · 09-09-2014 1:48pm

I've not done raiding in a long time, but even regular dungeon pugs are bloody anti-social these days. People used to chat about stuff while grouping, and would be up for a bit of a laugh, but now your lucky if you even get a hello. All that is left is an endless loot run. I know some people are ok with that, but it kind of feels like the heart of the game is gone.

Still playing / enjoying it, and i'll still get the expansion, but it's just not the same anymore. Will enjoy a month of two of the expansion, and will probably quit again afterwards.

I've had a good run

Calhoun · 09-09-2014 2:55pm

The problem with dungeons ect is that they never invested in the small time player, instead they put all the dev work into Flex ect.

Long gone are the days of hard HC dungeons where you had to work hard as a team to get it done.

My ilvl is so high that i do 300K plus dps in most dungeons i run, if i had a healer/tank with me we could 3 man it and in many cases that is essentially what happens.

The max time i spend in a dungeon is probably between 10-15 mins if even depending on the bosses.

So yes if you only do the dungeons it can seem like the game has losts its heart but in reality what has happened is people have it on farm and just expect to breeze through it half afk.

Companion box · 09-09-2014 4:13pm

Generally what happens when the content is 3 years old and the most basic raid ilevel a good 100 levels over what was intended for that 5 man around launch.

The exact same thing happened towards the end of each expansion, but its just worse here given the gear gap and the huge delay for warlords.

TheDoc · 10-09-2014 10:47am

True on the above. Typically the early part of an expansion Dungeons provide some difficulty and there needs to be some communication and co-ordination. But as players start getting geared in raids, obviously this content will become easier.

Remember that Heroic dungeons are meant to be the first gearing step in order to get into raids. So raiders are typically in these in the early part of the expansion aswell. But once they start raiding, they will stop heroic dungeons. They get their weekly valor caps from raids, and simply put don't need to gear from there anymore.

So after the first tier is underway, typically the high quality players are gone from dungeons, and whats left are dungeon enthusiats, people getting caps who don't raid, or people gearing alts.

In terms of bursting through them, yeah, I think we take a few minutes to get through a heroic is looking to cap a friends valor, or ourselves. We are punching out 300+k DPS and its a walk in he park. I did a dungeon on my new main last night where four other players were heroic warforged, we finished the dungeon in about 5 minutes.

For dungeon enthusiasts they brought in challenge modes, which is good. I didn't partake in it much, but it is a popular function that people enjoyed running dungeons competitively.

LFR is definitely up there with one of the worst implementations ever in my view. Absolutely horrendous addition to the game, and making it a requirement in terms of the gearing steps was a rubbish call. As much as they say it wont be in WOD, we all know, that it will be to a large extent. Absolutely horrendous functionality I despise.

MagicIRL · 10-09-2014 10:53am

LFR is a direct reason why dungeons are so easy now. Rather than gearing in heroics and then raiding, you just spam LFR, and once you've done that enough, you're flying through dungeons again. The time is takes to out gear the low content is way too fast. Instead of the occasional geared player joined a dungeon run, now everyone is overgeared.

I long for the days of using a mix of dungeons, rep and professions to get in tot he entry tier raid, and then clearing that enough times to be able to venture in to the next tier. This bull**** idea of just having everyone access everything is stupid. Free boosted 90s in 483 green items are able to get in tot he final tier.

I didn't even get to kill Illidan let alone Kil'Jaden in TBC, and I was happy with that.

Companion box · 10-09-2014 11:16am

Imagine you are a developer, designer, artist who worked on the sunwell content for months, after which only 10 percent of the player base actually saw it. You might be happy with that as a player, i would be very unhappy with that situation, LFR isn't perfect, but flat out fact people weren't seeing the content before it was introduced.

PropJoe10 · 10-09-2014 11:23am

I'm sure I'm in the minority these days, but I loved the days where you could spend 3 hours in Deadmines getting to Van Cleef, and the same trawling through Mauradon and BRD. The nearest thing to those days since then was the Cataclysm heroics, which were rock hard at launch but they nerfed them within a couple of months due to so many people whinging. I dont know why people have to be spoonfed easy stuff to just cruise through these days. I havent had a sense of achievement in WoW since the Cata heroics, really. I'm not a raider so dungeons were my bread and butter, Now, I just couldnt be bothered.

Calhoun · 10-09-2014 11:32am

MagicIRL wrote: »

LFR is a direct reason why dungeons are so easy now. Rather than gearing in heroics and then raiding, you just spam LFR, and once you've done that enough, you're flying through dungeons again. The time is takes to out gear the low content is way too fast. Instead of the occasional geared player joined a dungeon run, now everyone is overgeared.

I long for the days of using a mix of dungeons, rep and professions to get in tot he entry tier raid, and then clearing that enough times to be able to venture in to the next tier. This bull**** idea of just having everyone access everything is stupid. Free boosted 90s in 483 green items are able to get in tot he final tier.

I didn't even get to kill Illidan let alone Kil'Jaden in TBC, and I was happy with that.

Being fair though its not LFR, timeless isle gear can be gathered in half of the time and it is 496 ilvl.

Kiith · 10-09-2014 12:29pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Being fair though its not LFR, timeless isle gear can be gathered in half of the time and it is 496 ilvl.

Timeless Isle is mental. I went there with my new lvl90 Paladin, and got epic boots and legs from two random chests, and ilvl535 (or something crazy high) bracers from dying a few times on the giant bird. I didn't even know what i was going.

Calhoun · 10-09-2014 12:55pm

Kiith wrote: »

Timeless Isle is mental. I went there with my new lvl90 Paladin, and got epic boots and legs from two random chests, and ilvl535 (or something crazy high) bracers from dying a few times on the giant bird. I didn't even know what i was going.

Yah it was setup as a catchup for alts and new folk . With 535 gear and valor upgrades you could gear main pieces o 552 ilvl.

MagicIRL · 10-09-2014 1:55pm

It's a stupid idea instantly rewarding the loot. The idea that you can get epics outside of raids that are useful isn't a bad one, but maybe it would've been better to implement a coin system so you farm the coins and then buy a piece after x amount of kills. Maybe add a very low % chance for instant loot.

Side note, pre-ordered WoD and got beta access two hours later....

TheDoc · 10-09-2014 1:59pm

There is a brilliant guide on MMO champion for timeless isle chests. Basically import some macros into an addon called TomTom, and you just follow the arrow to the chests.

Typically when I ding a fresh 90, 30 mins later its decked with plenty of epics.

On my old server, I've a bank bag full of timeless isle gear.

As said above it was brought in as a catchup mechanic for alts and while it was well intentioned, the playerbase on most servers look for 530ilvl before letting you near their flex raids (pugs in Trade of using oqueue) so you STILL need to go through LFR.

I'm doing it now at the moment, even though I'd be more then capable of going through flex with the gear I have, I'm forced in through completing it to hit a "checkpoint" that the playerbase manage.

Granted my new guild are oragnising some flex, normal and then heroic SOO runs before WoD, I don't like sitting idly around, and am still having to go through LFR.

TheDoc · 10-09-2014 2:00pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

It's a stupid idea instantly rewarding the loot. The idea that you can get epics outside of raids that are useful isn't a bad one, but maybe it would've been better to implement a coin system so you farm the coins and then buy a piece after x amount of kills. Maybe add a very low % chance for instant loot.

Side note, pre-ordered WoD and got beta access two hours later....

In fairness timeless isle only came in this patch cycle. The expansion had been out ages, and it was just a mechanism to help people gear up to the point they could go into current or last content, instead of having to go through Vaults and the likes on LFR.

Even then it's RNG, I've had two characters who got **** all form a chest run and I still had to go through the tiers on LFR

Vicxas · 12-09-2014 8:02am

TheDoc wrote: »

In fairness timeless isle only came in this patch cycle. The expansion had been out ages, and it was just a mechanism to help people gear up to the point they could go into current or last content, instead of having to go through Vaults and the likes on LFR.

Even then it's RNG, I've had two characters who got **** all form a chest run and I still had to go through the tiers on LFR

I think the issue was that people would make a toon and then dread the grind to getting to see the endgame content. So timeless isle is a blessing and a nightmare at the same time.

I quite liked it, it allowed me to get my paladin tank from doing heroics to doing LFR ToT in an hour. The ONLY issue i have with LFR is tactics, no one pays attaention 85% of the time.

MagicIRL · 12-09-2014 9:08am

Vicxas wrote: »

I think the issue was that people would make a toon and then dread the grind to getting to see the endgame content. So timeless isle is a blessing and a nightmare at the same time.

I quite liked it, it allowed me to get my paladin tank from doing heroics to doing LFR ToT in an hour. The ONLY issue i have with LFR is tactics, no one pays attaention 85% of the time.

It had to be done given the raid structure that Blizzard have now implemented. Back in the day, if you didn't have the gear for Black Temple, you stayed in SSC. Now, everyone farms everything as soon as LFR allows.

I think I preferred the gradual increase in raid content as opposed to having all dished out together to everyone. You really felt like you had achieved something with a guild if you were in another tier.

Vicxas · 12-09-2014 9:16am

MagicIRL wrote: »

It had to be done given the raid structure that Blizzard have now implemented. Back in the day, if you didn't have the gear for Black Temple, you stayed in SSC. Now, everyone farms everything as soon as LFR allows.

I think I preferred the gradual increase in raid content as opposed to having all dished out together to everyone. You really felt like you had achieved something with a guild if you were in another tier.

Absolutely, I lorded my ICC shoulders and Weapon in WOTLK when my guild was one of the first in. Pure bragging rights

Keifie · 17-09-2014 2:36pm

TheDoc wrote: »

There is a brilliant guide on MMO champion for timeless isle chests. Basically import some macros into an addon called TomTom, and you just follow the arrow to the chests.

Typically when I ding a fresh 90, 30 mins later its decked with plenty of epics.
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I wish I had seen this thread before embarrassing myself with 15k dps in about 30 dungeon runs looking for upgrades of my green's.....

MagicIRL · 17-09-2014 5:37pm

Keifie wrote: »

I wish I had seen this thread before embarrassing myself with 15k dps in about 30 dungeon runs looking for upgrades of my green's.....

You're doing the Lord's work, my child.

Pro Tip: Spam the lower tier LFR raids for a great item drop rate. Although a lower ilevel, the 502 stuff will carry you through SoO and pretty much in to WoD.

Calhoun · 17-09-2014 6:33pm

Much faster to spam timeless isle, the lower tied raids bar ToT are kinda usless and have long queue times as people only really queue for the legendary.

If your on a PVE realm or a pvp realm with a large population on your side you should have no excuses and you can get some nice goodies from doing it.

The only reason you would need to do the old raids is a weapon as there is no non raid weapons above 463.

MagicIRL · 17-09-2014 7:21pm

Calhoun wrote: »

Much faster to spam timeless isle, the lower tied raids bar ToT are kinda usless and have long queue times as people only really queue for the legendary.

If your on a PVE realm or a pvp realm with a large population on your side you should have no excuses and you can get some nice goodies from doing it.

The only reason you would need to do the old raids is a weapon as there is no non raid weapons above 463.

It's like you didn't even read my post? it was the i502 I was talking about. Strange.

Calhoun · 17-09-2014 7:50pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

It's like you didn't even read my post? it was the i502 I was talking about. Strange.

You said lower LFR you didnt speculate on only ToT , there is no point in running anything below ToT when TI is 496 gear. Considering the entry level to SOO is 496 and not 502, TI will do the job and should be farmed in conjuncture with ToT to get a full set of gear.

As soon as i hit 496 ivl i would hit up SOO, after all the carrying i have done in there i would not feel guilty of being carried in that LFR.

Apologies not trying to be elitist on this i just have done this on many chars and for newer folk they may think the 483 ilvl LFR ect is still relevant when TI gear has made it 100% obsolete.

MagicIRL · 18-09-2014 9:14am

There is nothing worse than jumping in to LFR and having to carry people through it. I know you've been there and done that so many times, and the game lets you in regardless of ilevel, but it really can be infuriating. I had a Mage in LFR doing 40k DPS the other day. I do more in my off-spec wearing my Resto gear.

Calhoun · 18-09-2014 9:57am

True but the opposite is also true nothing worse than lfr try hards, everyone has to gear and the entry level is 496. Obviously the player should know how to play the class and get as much as possible from it.

It's a balance I suppose, between the two types of players especially at this late in the game.

MagicIRL · 18-09-2014 10:07am

I think they're somewhat solving it in WoD though, as I think you need to complete the Proving Grounds: Silver before you can do the HC dungeons. Not too sure on LFR but I imagine if you can't do HCs you can't do LFR.

Calhoun · 18-09-2014 10:19am

The only problem with this is the obvious slacking that goes on, most times you will see people well capable of playing but semi afk.

They need some sort of activity monitor to be linked to rewards.

Vicxas · 22-09-2014 10:50am

Oh boy did I get bored real quickly, i've tanked all the way through SoO in LFR. Now im trying to get into normal but no-one will take anyone below 550, and no one is running ToT in normal to help me out.

Mmmmmmmm stagnation.

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