Cheapest Club Membership in Ireland

ernieprice · 04-12-2012 11:37am

downthemiddle wrote: »

Yes, all clubs are required to report the results of all teams events to the GUI. Would you like me to continue or will you come back when you are better informed?

Both the player and club MUST report the scores.
See CONGU book page 19 (section 8.10 - Qualifying Scores and 8.12 - In Ireland playersand clubs must report to home clubs (a) All Qualifying Scores with revelent CSS and (b) All Non Qualifying scores from team and society golf.
So in essence both Greenbo and downthemiddle are correct

alxmorgan · 04-12-2012 12:52pm

ernieprice wrote: »

Both the player and club MUST report the scores.
See CONGU book page 19 (section 8.10 - Qualifying Scores and 8.12 - In Ireland playersand clubs must report to home clubs (a) All Qualifying Scores with revelent CSS and (b) All Non Qualifying scores from team and society golf.
So in essence both Greenbo and downthemiddle are correct

Someone should create an account for this Greenbo.
I imagine him as:

1) A member of Scarke even though he has no intention of ever setting foot there
2) Takes out the driver on every hole
3) Always plays shots in comps he can't regularly hit in practice
4) Has a very tenuous grip on the rules

downthemiddle · 04-12-2012 1:32pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Where is that specified?
Please continue.

In the CONGU handbook, google is your friend.
I wonder how you think clubs that might not have handicap software upload the required information to Golfnet?
You have made a number of broad sweeping statements on this thread which cannot be backed up by facts. Not everybody is in the fortunate position to be able to fork out 20,000 euro in hello money. Not every club can fall back on money they received from land deals etc.
The golf market has changed and changed dramatically in the last few years. Just because you don't agree with the business plans some clubs have adopted does not mean that you are entitled to denigrate these clubs when you patently do not know what you are talking about.
This board doesn't need Conno when there is a mod willing to step up to the mark.

PARlance · 04-12-2012 1:55pm

gggg wrote: »

Cheapest membership has to be Scarke? 99 quid for the year. I live in Louth and will be joining in 2013. You dont even need to walk through the gates of Scarke once throughout the year to maintain your official GUI handicap - just play opens all over the shop. Happy days.

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charlieIRL · 04-12-2012 2:29pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

This board doesn't need Conno when there is a mod willing to step up to the mark.

Comments like this are not welcome here.

That user you referred to was a constant troll and tried his best to wind everyone up - like what a lot of posters are doing here at the moment.

GreeBo · 04-12-2012 2:38pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

In the CONGU handbook, google is your friend.

Can you tell me where in the handbook?
Actually nevermind, ernieprice did.

downthemiddle wrote: »

I wonder how you think clubs that might not have handicap software upload the required information to Golfnet?

Again, can you show me this requirement as all I can see is a mention to those clubs who chose to use the handicap software.

downthemiddle wrote: »

You have made a number of broad sweeping statements on this thread which cannot be backed up by facts. Not everybody is in the fortunate position to be able to fork out 20,000 euro in hello money. Not every club can fall back on money they received from land deals etc.

Such as?
You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about Grange, any particular reason why?

downthemiddle wrote: »

The golf market has changed and changed dramatically in the last few years. Just because you don't agree with the business plans some clubs have adopted does not mean that you are entitled to denigrate these clubs when you patently do not know what you are talking about.

I have no issue with the plan, my issue is with the freedom this allows people to manage their handicaps.

downthemiddle wrote: »

This board doesn't need Conno when there is a mod willing to step up to the mark.

Questioning a moderators actions on thread are against the forum charter.

No more warnings.

onlyfinewine · 04-12-2012 3:14pm

Quote:
Originally Posted by downthemiddle View Post
The golf market has changed and changed dramatically in the last few years. Just because you don't agree with the business plans some clubs have adopted does not mean that you are entitled to denigrate these clubs when you patently do not know what you are talking about.

Quote by Greebo
I have no issue with the plan, my issue is with the freedom this allows people to manage their handicaps.

OK Assuming you have no issue, how can people with distance memberships "manage" their handicaps in a different way than non-distance memberships?

What is the basis of your theory?

downthemiddle · 04-12-2012 9:08pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Can you tell me where in the handbook?
Actually nevermind, ernieprice did.

Again, can you show me this requirement as all I can see is a mention to those clubs who chose to use the handicap software.

Such as?
You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about Grange, any particular reason why?

I have no issue with the plan, my issue is with the freedom this allows people to manage their handicaps.

Questioning a moderators actions on thread are against the forum charter.

No more warnings.

Clause 6 of the CONGU handbook covers the responsibilities of an affiliated club. Clause 6.12 states that an affiliated club "must provide provide the Union with such information as the Union requires to maintain a National Handicap Database". I'm not aware how a club would do this without the appropriate software.
However I am interested in why you think a club that offers distance or associate membership is less likely to meet this requirement? What is the basis for your theory?

I have no bee in my bonnet about Grange. I am a frequent visitor there and have always enjoyed my visits there. My issue is with the conclusions you jump to in your posts.

People do not have freedom to manage their handicaps and I fail to see how you can logically draw this conclusion. Handicaps are managed in ALL clubs by handicap committees if clubs are meeting their responsibilities.

Far be it from me to question your abilities as a mod and consider my wrist slapped in that regard. However I do reserve the right to question your qualities as a poster and you ill informed ramblings on this and other threads have led me to do so.

GreeBo · 05-12-2012 12:52pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

Clause 6 of the CONGU handbook covers the responsibilities of an affiliated club. Clause 6.12 states that an affiliated club "must provide provide the Union with such information as the Union requires to maintain a National Handicap Database". I'm not aware how a club would do this without the appropriate software.

A club could submit them to the GUI without having any handicap software, the club would then manually look after handicaps.
Per 6.5
Ensure that, where handicaps are calculated and maintained by computer, the software used, is
provided by an Independent Software Vendor currently licensed by CONGU®.

downthemiddle wrote: »

However I am interested in why you think a club that offers distance or associate membership is less likely to meet this requirement? What is the basis for your theory?

My concern is that if you never play golf in your "home" club then the accuracy of your handicap entirely depends on away scores being reported.
There is also no chance for any one to observe you play.

downthemiddle wrote: »

People do not have freedom to manage their handicaps and I fail to see how you can logically draw this conclusion. Handicaps are managed in ALL clubs by handicap committees if clubs are meeting their responsibilities.

I'm not saying its inevitable, I just think not having any requirements to play golf in your home club makes it easier for people to manage handicaps.

downthemiddle wrote: »

However I do reserve the right to question your qualities as a poster and you ill informed ramblings on this and other threads have led me to do so.

I believe I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you or indeed any other poster is; Im also entitled to defend that opinion.

If you'd prefer a forum where everyone agrees and has the same opinion on everything then one of us is in the wrong forum...

onlyfinewine · 06-12-2012 1:13am

GreeBo;

My concern is that if you never play golf in your "home" club then the accuracy of your handicap entirely depends on away scores being reported.
There is also no chance for any one to observe you play.

It is fairly obvious that the accuracy of your handicap entirely depends on your scores being reported whether or not they are home or away scores. Usually when your marker signs your card it is an acknowledgement that he has observed and by signing confirms the score you have taken. So we can eliminate your "concern" on that basis.

I'm not saying its inevitable, I just think not having any requirements to play golf in your home club makes it easier for people to manage handicaps.

So if the club had a requirement for you to play a few rounds in your home club it would be OK? and by inference people would find it harder to manage handicaps? This is obviously a nonsense and does not stack up. People who choose distance membership usually do so for value reasons and it is not the norm to play most of their golf in that club.

I believe I'm just as entitled to an opinion as you or indeed any other poster is; Im also entitled to defend that opinion.

Of course, this is your right, but confusion that an opinion however badly formed, and pretense that the opinion is a fact, does not make it so.

Quote:

Quote by Greebo
I have no issue with the (business) plan, my issue is with the freedom this allows people to manage their handicaps.

You still have not indicated why or how this is so! In fact it is a scurrilous allegation entirely without foundation and directly opposite to the spirit of the game. So I suggest that either you back it up or withdraw it.

ernieprice · 06-12-2012 10:48am

Very few clubs don't have at least 1 member who attempts to manage his handicap (for whatever reason). If you recall in another thread there were team managers warning players not to loose shots. This is managing a handicap. At the recent Leinster Golf ADM they showed cuts under the ESR system and on average most clubs cut 5/8 players but 1 club had to cut 45 players. It is getting more difficult to manage handicaps unless a player is going to keep paying for .1's and win nothing. As for distant membership I can see the pros and cons. I currently play off a single figure handicap and in the next year will be moving abroad, it is an option for me to either take overseas membership or distance membership in order to maintain a handicap. I would like to play in opens (qualifying) whenever I return for holidays. Needs must and I would definitely not be managing my handicap.

charlieIRL · 06-12-2012 10:53am

It is fairly obvious that the accuracy of your handicap entirely depends on your scores being reported whether or not they are home or away scores. Usually when your marker signs your card it is an acknowledgement that he has observed and by signing confirms the score you have taken. So we can eliminate your "concern" on that basis.

but what if the player doesn't return that score to his "home" club? it doesn't make a bit of a difference who marked it if its not returned!!

ernieprice · 06-12-2012 11:04am

charlieIRL wrote: »

but what if the player doesn't return that score to his "home" club? it doesn't make a bit of a difference who marked it if its not returned!!

By right both the player and away club are to return/report scores but this does not always happen. During the year I had a score of 43pts away. I reported it to my club as I knew I would have a reduction and also an ESR reduction. My handicap secretary entered the score on golfnet and it took me 7 phone call to this club asking why my score was not processed. After 3 weeks it arrived when I said I was going to ring the Leinster branch to see if there was a software problem. So in support oy your point if I had stayed mum then I would have stayed at 8 instead of 6 and could have built my handicap up to 10 before season end.

onlyfinewine · 06-12-2012 1:12pm

charlieIRL wrote: »

but what if the player doesn't return that score to his "home" club? it doesn't make a bit of a difference who marked it if its not returned!!

I have not seen any open competitions that have not had the option to enter your score into a computer at the end of the round. As far as I know these scores are then sent to the GUI and from there are sent to your home club. The information is not streamed into distance/non-distance categories so there is no advantage/disadvantage in being in either category. You only have one Congu handicap system in Ireland.

In relation to cheating by not entering your score or returning your card, again it makes no difference which category of membership you hold, cheating is cheating no matter where or how it is done.

ernieprice · 06-12-2012 6:39pm

onlyfinewine wrote: »

I have not seen any open competitions that have not had the option to enter your score into a computer at the end of the round. As far as I know these scores are then sent to the GUI and from there are sent to your home club. The information is not streamed into distance/non-distance categories so there is no advantage/disadvantage in being in either category. You only have one Congu handicap system in Ireland.

In relation to cheating by not entering your score or returning your card, again it makes no difference which category of membership you hold, cheating is cheating no matter where or how it is done.

I entered my score on the computer and it took all these calls to have it sent. The person closing the competition has to send the information to Golfnet. In our club it has to be done by selecting the Internet button on the software and it then sends the required information.

onlyfinewine · 06-12-2012 7:12pm

ernieprice wrote: »

I entered my score on the computer and it took all these calls to have it sent. The person closing the competition has to send the information to Golfnet. In our club it has to be done by selecting the Internet button on the software and it then sends the required information.

You are to be applauded for your persistence in this case. Usually there is not a problem of which I am aware with scores being transferred to their home club.

I wonder if there are any other forum members with experiences in this regard?

jmorrisey · 06-12-2012 7:56pm

onlyfinewine wrote: »

You are to be applauded for your persistence in this case. Usually there is not a problem of which I am aware with scores being transferred to their home club.

I wonder if there are any other forum members with experiences in this regard?

I dont play much at all in recent years and live a long way from my home club but kept a distance membership with my club so I could keep a handicap and play in open singles from time to time (played bout 12 times last year and bout 10 times this year). I havent been able to play to my handicap for a good while but have noticed that a good few really poor scores i had over the last 2 years have not been recorded on golfnet and so i have not received any .1s for same. I havent chased it up as i'm not too bothered to be honest but i didnt realise i was required to send my scores back to my home club. I thought the away club updated the system automatically

ernieprice · 06-12-2012 8:14pm

onlyfinewine wrote: »

You are to be applauded for your persistence in this case. Usually there is not a problem of which I am aware with scores being transferred to their home club.

I wonder if there are any other forum members with experiences in this regard?

I was Assistant Competition Secretary and Assistant Handicap Secretary in our club at the time so I was aware how the system should work and I decided to keep after it. I was probably being a little paranoid and thought that if the club in question did not update golfnet then their own players could not get cut either.