Chuggers now doing door to door???

Pen1987 wrote: »

No, wrong again. 90 a DAY, and thats if youre lucky and get three subscribers, many go home with no sign-ups three days a week or more, Ive seen people work a week 12 hours a day and earn nothing, you have no garunteed income, and door to door isnt standing there, you walk on average 10 miles a day. As you said, its a job like any other right? Except all the uninformed hassle recieved in the general public.

That was obviously a mistake when I typed 90 an hour. 90 a day sounds very very nice for easy work. Exactly, it's a job like any other and the people are doing it for the money, so they really don't care more about what they are collecting for.

Pen1987 wrote: »

90euro a day for 12 hours work is 7.50 an hour, well below minimum wage. and easy work? you try it, I've worked in factories and I know which I'd prefer.

And your doing well to do three sign-ups a day in your first week or two. Most people do none in their first few days, 12 hours a day for a week for nothing? show me anyone who'd continue doing that unless they actually believed in the charities they were working for. Hence many of the staff leave in their first few days. The ones who believe in it stay on though, or else the ones who absolutely must pay the rent and cant get another job.

The best worker in GB&I across the whole company (2000+ employees) averaged 4.5 a day, thats 11.25 an hour, about average wage for someone working in a retail company for a year+... I know I could of gotten a better paid job than that fairly easily. I know alot of the people who did stay on after they earned nothing for their first week did believe they were doing something for charities they believed in, and didnt give a bollox what kind of stick they got at the door...

I'm probably not going to change your mind on 'I hate chuggers', because people are lazy ****s who dont want to answer the door to strangers. But people should realise these chuggers who work door to door are earning **** all and if they have been working at it any longer than a week they do believe in what theyre working for, many are subscribers to the charities themselves... You might hate them for knocking on your lovely mahogony but I respect them for at least trying to.

I guess we'll agree to disagree.. I would definitely give that a try before working in the factory I worked in again. Also, I would give it a try before the other job where I worked 52 hours a week for 350 euro.

They don't deserve any more respect than someone waiting tables or pulling pints; they are doing a job. It is obvious why people are extremely annoyed by them; they are pushy, don't take no for an answer, instead believing that you really mean yes but just need to be convinced [see above], and the street chuggers are often borderline offensive. This 'don't you care about anyone except yourself' rubbish. Many people choose to give to charities in their own way (like me), many more can't afford to sign up a direct debit (also like me) and finally, the majority of the chuggers don't give a toss so the hypocrisy is unbelievable.

pen1987 wrote:

because people are lazy ****s who dont want to answer the door to strangers

No. People are at home trying to relax after spending a day at work/whatever and don't need the attitude you're displaying here just because they don't want to sign up to your charity of the week.

mikedragon32 wrote: »

No. People are at home trying to relax after spending a day at work/whatever and don't need the attitude you're displaying here just because they don't want to sign up to your charity of the week.

An attitude, people have told me they think people who do a job I have done are the scum off the earth and deserve to be eradicated... I'm not even giving as good I got.

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Ahaha, tell that to the old pensioner with arthritis in both knees or the woman who's trying to fill her childs bath.
People have lives to lead, they're not just sitting around all day waiting for strangers to hassle them for money.
Calling people "lazy ****s" is also typical of the smug attitude you get from a lot of chuggers... there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing, it's everyone else who's wrong.

For a start its against the law to sign up anyone over the age of 65 for reasons of copus mendis. People are lazy ****es, I'm one of them, I have sky+ because I'm to lazy to wait for a replay to come on during the matches, the fact this website is busiest whilst people are supposed to be working even shows that. **** it even after 6PM the BRGH shows an absurd pride in its members ability to be lazy, I was just stating the facts. Your twisting my words to fit into your 'you former chugger, you are the devil' bracket, as if every single door I knocked I was praying it was the home of someone who had arthritis in their knees, like I stood outside HOPING I was annoying someone... thats really conductive to fundraising. The majority of people are middle aged and reletively healthy, i.e. they can walk to the door so the chances your destroying somebodies day or causing them serious pain is pretty dam unlikely with just a ring on the bell. I said people are lazy ****es because they are not because I have a bitter resentment to some random people whos door I knocked on a few years back who refused to answer.

Yeah it's harder to slam the door in someone's face than it is to hang up the phone on them.
Typical slimy tactics.
Like the street chugger that nabbed me once by reaching out to shake my hand as I walked by, he caught me off-guard, so instinctively I met his hand with my own... I can tell you that was the single longest handshake I've ever had in my life.
He even used both hands so I couldn't break it... he might as well have gotten me in a headlock or a full nelson.

Of course its harder to slam the door in someones face than hang-up the phone, have you no clue how sales and marketing works? this is reality mate... how do you think charities would raise their profile or funds otherwise... do you volunteer to shake buckets on Grafton Street often? Do you know anyone who does? Do you think anyone whos not an admin employee or directly effected by certain issues ever would? The charities LOVE these companies, its their best method of fundraising. Again you've compared door to door charity fundraising to street chuggers after I've stated myself I do not agree with street-chugging because its workers have no connection to the charity nor knowledge of its workings, they are paid a wage also, which I question... by the way, sorry the fact that I also dislike street chuggers doesnt fit with your perception of me being a slimy bastard, that might be my one abiding quality... nah couldnt be, I'm scum of the earth, right.

Great, let's all be as rude, slimy and inconsiderate as we like, and sure it's up to other people if they want to be annoyed... that's their problem.

Again you twist my words. You said you dont like anyone who knocks on your door out of the blue 'wether they are politician, beggers, people pushing their religion or wanting to sharpen my shears'... my retort was that its your choice to be annoyed with whoever you want but that I dont see any threads on Boards calling Jehovahs witnesses the scum of the earth for knocking on peoples door. Not that 'its other peoples fault that theyre annoyed becuase their door was knocked upon, not mine' attitude that you inferred I had.
You said nothing about people being 'rude, slimy and inconsiderate' in your first post, then changed your reason for being annoyed at people who knock with your reply, (your first reason was becuase they were knocking on your door, now its because they are ALL inconsiderate slimy and rude...) so in essence, you dont like chuggers, before I explained how they work, that its in fact very diffucult to earn enough to pay the rent doing it, you didnt like chuggers, you still dont like chuggers so, really, it has nothing to do with not liking whomever knocks on your door as you previously stated.

It's commercially viable because it's a slimy, exploitative sales tactic... just like the old handshake trick.
They know damn well people aren't generally as assertive in person as they can be on the phone, so they exploit that.
They're too meek to slam the door in a chuggers face, so they're effectively a captive audience to the chuggers sales pitch.

The fact is if you knock on someones door and they are positive to the encounter after 5seconds, they will sign up. If they are not, theyre not likely to be turned. Some chuggers I agree, need to get this into their heads, that basically youre just raising awareness of the issue and hoping you'll knock on a door of a person thats open to helping.

Its commercially viable because of that one person, maybe that one person doesnt walk through grafton street and see the bucket shakers or have the sky-channel where the adverts come on. So the person at their door is the first and only impact the charity may have. Charities use it because its commercially viable and charities SURVIVE because its commerically viable. Fact. You may not donate but clearly enough people are open to donating for it to be useful, maybe its a cultural thing or an age thing. I know nothing about you but a high percentage of subscribers where either foreign nationals or young parents, I'd be surprised if you fit in either category.


Oh and for the record... I'm purposefully being a cheeky **** now because I've been aimed at personally and my opinion was getting clouded over by the blanket 'we hate chuggers but weve no REAL clue how it works' one from all the threads about street-chuggers..

18e a month over 3 years, dunno what exactly it works out as. Most 10e accounts would be from street chuggers which usually have a high 'rejection rate', meaning they get cancelled early/immediately. Charities using door to door fundraising usually have more interaction with their subscribers and follow up the donations over set periods. i.e a call every 8months to make sure the donator is happy will the account so far etc etc therefore they maintain more customers over longer periods.

Hi all

I did this job during the summer. eh pen wot office were you in???

the average amount of each person signed up is €1080 for an €18 a month donation, which is what is asked for by deaf child worldwide. for this the sales company is paid €72. 30 of which is given to the sales person and 42 is given to the owner of the company. if the person who signes up decides to quit within 5 months of signing up then neither of them gets paid.

the charities directly pay the companys for doing the fundraising but not with the money that is donated. money is set aside each year by a a charity (called a pre allocated fundraising budget) which is used to pay the company. if this money is spent on an advertising campaign it is proven that in 96% of the time this causes a loss (the main exceptions being trocaire and concern around christmas as well as during emergencies) this means that instead of making a loss with this money they make a 1500% profit.

with the case of deaf child worldwide 100% of the money you donate does go to the children because the british deaf foundation pays their administration and fundraising as they are an offshoot of this charity. with MS Ireland the same is true as government grants cover the admin. with trocaire (the newest charity that is going door to door with this company) 91.5% of all money is given to chairty with another 6% being spent on fundraising and 1.5% spent on administration with the rest being spent on missalanious (bad spelling but u get wot i mean. i admit i dont no wot this is spent on)

if you have any other questions let me no. i would be very willing to answer. by the way it is not that glamorous for the guys doing the job. the vast majority do not make minimum wage. you only get €21 cash for each sale as €9 is taken as safety incase the person cancels. my friend who also worked in the summer and was the top sales person in UK/IRL was making around €10/11 per hour. Over the 11 weeks i worked there i earned an average of €3.96 whilst working 68 hours a week (12 hours monday to friday and 8 hours on saterday)