Enterprise refurbishment comes closer?

Rashers72 · 19-05-2015 11:30pm

Any photos of the refurb sets yet?

Captain Chaos · 19-05-2015 11:49pm

Rashers72 wrote: »

Any photos of the refurb sets yet?

Already posted a link here back in December.

http://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Travel/2014-Photos/Ireland-December-2014/46120607_wj52Vt#!i=3783740550&k=bGMRgTM

There has been nothing uploaded since.

I would have thought they would return a set before removing another. As it is one set is going around with it's 1st class coach removed.

Thedarkb · 20-05-2015 4:25pm

I would have thought they would return a set before removing another. As it is one set is going around with it's 1st class coach removed.

I wouldn't be very happy to have booked a first class seat on a train with no first class coach

LXFlyer · 20-05-2015 4:53pm

You would be entitled to a refund.

cargo · 30-06-2015 11:25am

Anyone got any updates on the refurbs?
When is the first refurbed train due back in service?
Anymore photos of the new units or exact details of what to expect other than a new paint design?

cargo · 08-07-2015 7:58am

cargo wrote: »

Anyone got any updates on the refurbs?
When is the first refurbed train due back in service?
Anymore photos of the new units or exact details of what to expect other than a new paint design?

Nobody?

Captain Chaos · 08-07-2015 8:41am

It's all hush hush. There were photos of a standard coach being shunted around York Road before Christmas by 8209. The coach was in the new livery with the new Enterprise logos but it had no seats or gangways fitted. There has been nothing since then.

The first set was due to be completed last month but I expect the whole project will now take far longer than planned. The sets will basically have to be recommissioned again because of all the new work and new systems fitted to make sure the stock works with the loco's new MMI screens ect.

So far 3 locos are configured to work the sets, 206, 8208 and 8209. The other locos don't have the new systems to work the refurb sets yet.

BeardySi · 08-07-2015 1:40pm

EGV was out and about at York Road at the weekend, paintwork done and Enterprise titles applied.

GM228 · 08-07-2015 2:25pm

Treadhead wrote: »

EGV was out and about at York Road at the weekend, paintwork done and Enterprise titles applied.

Some images of the EGVs and a DVT in the new livery:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V38vIVf4pfo

Internal pictures are not allowed AFAIK untill re-launch.

GM228

P.S. This isn't my video so hope OP on YouTube dosn't mind.

cargo · 08-07-2015 2:35pm

Treadhead wrote: »

EGV was out and about at York Road at the weekend, paintwork done and Enterprise titles applied.

GM228 wrote: »

Some images of the EGVs and a DVT in the new livery:-

Internal pictures are not allowed AFAIK untill re-launch.

GM228

Cheers guys. Any date on the re-launch yet?

GM228 · 08-07-2015 2:36pm

cargo wrote: »

Cheers guys. Any date on the re-launch yet?

Nothing concrete but first set is more or less ready I believe.

Staff training and testing will be required before re-launch.

GM228

GM228 · 23-08-2015 12:15pm

The first refurbished carriage entered service today when EGV 9602 was part of the unrefurbished set on the 0900 ex Central today.

GM228

Jamie2k9 · 23-08-2015 12:17pm

GM228 wrote: »

The first refurbished carriage entered service today when EGV 9602 was part of the unrefurbished set on the 0900 ex Central today.

GM228

Any idea when the full set will be back. can't believe I am saying this but I expect if IE were in charge they would of did a better job than the complete shambles NI have made of it.

GM228 · 23-08-2015 12:45pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Any idea when the full set will be back. can't believe I am saying this but I expect if IE were in charge they would of did a better job than the complete shambles NI have made of it.

September 21st last I heard.

IE/NIR don't do any refurbishment/overhaul work anymore and havn't for many years now, it is all contracted out, in this case CAF are the major contractor doing the refurbishment.

GM228

Jamie2k9 · 23-08-2015 1:02pm

GM228 wrote: »

September 21st last I heard.

IE/NIR don't do any refurbishment/overhaul work anymore and havn't for many years now, it is all contracted out, in this case CAF are the major contractor doing the refurbishment.

GM228

They do the contracts and then decided to pick most likely the cheapest and worst contractor ever. Have they still not learned anything from the fiasco with Cork services. So will they requre a rebuild again in 4-5 years like the Mark IV's :rolleyes:

Jamie2k9 · 23-08-2015 7:06pm

Spotted on social media that a full test set will operate tonight.

BonkeyDonker · 24-08-2015 9:06am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They do the contracts and then decided to pick most likely the cheapest and worst contractor ever. Have they still not learned anything from the fiasco with Cork services. So will they require a rebuild again in 4-5 years like the Mark IV's :rolleyes:

Problem is if they do not go with the cheapest tender then they get accused of cronyism or wasting public money. Its a no-win situation really.

end of the road · 24-08-2015 10:28am

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

Problem is if they do not go with the cheapest tender then they get accused of cronyism or wasting public money. Its a no-win situation really.

let the rabel rabel brigade do their moaning. it should be whoever has the best record in relation to whatever work required by IE who should get the contract, simple as that. we need to get out of this mindset that cheepist is automatically best. neither is expensive also. thats not a dig at caf as frankly i believe the mark 4 was delivered to whatever speck they were given by IE. any other train they have built for ireland north and south has had no problems.

Captain Chaos · 24-08-2015 11:38am

From what I can see there is only 1 loco that can work a refurb set and that's 8209. I haven't seen 206 or 8209 in a while to see if they have a new socket outlet fitted to the no2 end.

I would imaged they would want more locos fully fitted out before bringing any set back into service.

roundymac · 24-08-2015 4:13pm

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

Problem is if they do not go with the cheapest tender then they get accused of cronyism or wasting public money. Its a no-win situation really.

Fc** if you do and **ed if you don't, the great public want value for their money.:rolleyes:

Jamie2k9 · 24-08-2015 5:02pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

From what I can see there is only 1 loco that can work a refurb set and that's 8209. I haven't seen 206 or 8209 in a while to see if they have a new socket outlet fitted to the no2 end.

I would imaged they would want more locos fully fitted out before bringing any set back into service.

I assume you mean 8208?

206 is in Belfast and was hooked up to the train but it was 8208 which worked the trail.

8209 was on Cork/Freight recently.

Captain Chaos · 24-08-2015 7:20pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I assume you mean 8208?

206 is in Belfast and was hooked up to the train but it was 8208 which worked the trail.

8209 was on Cork/Freight recently.

Yep 8208 is what I ment. 8208 was also on freight run very recently too.

goingnowhere · 24-08-2015 8:20pm

Any 201 PP can haul the train, the MMI is a nice to have toy, it does not prevent the train from moving. Its not safety critical

Jamie2k9 · 24-08-2015 9:05pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yep 8208 is what I ment. 8208 was also on freight run very recently too.

Perhaps they have delayed installing any further ones until they are sure it works on a full set running.

Any 201 PP can haul the train, the MMI is a nice to have toy, it does not prevent the train from moving. Its not safety critical

What sort of features are on it anyway?

GM228 · 24-08-2015 9:35pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Any 201 PP can haul the train, the MMI is a nice to have toy, it does not prevent the train from moving. Its not safety critical

No the MMI will be a requirement when in passenger service.

GM228

Hungerford · 25-08-2015 7:38pm

GM228 wrote: »

Nothing concrete but first set is more or less ready I believe.

I don't think that's true given the interiors of the trial train - unless they have really gone for a spartan approach.

goingnowhere · 26-08-2015 7:21am

They left it a bit late on the carpets alright

GM228 · 26-08-2015 10:41am

Hungerford wrote: »

I don't think that's true given the interiors of the trial train - unless they have really gone for a spartan approach.

Fitting out the interiors will only take a few days and won't happen until initial testing is complete to make it easier to trace and fix any issues with electrics or components that go wrong during the testing.

GM228

cargo · 02-09-2015 11:50am

Any sign of the new carriages showing up? Are there any full set tests been run at the minute or will they go straight into service?

There is a youtube vid up since August 6th with a loco (8209) in the new colors pulling a set of old carriages. Is that a fully refurbished loco or just a spray job?

end of the road · 02-09-2015 4:22pm

cargo wrote: »

Any sign of the new carriages showing up? Are there any full set tests been run at the minute or will they go straight into service?

There is a youtube vid up since August 6th with a loco (8209) in the new colors pulling a set of old carriages. Is that a fully refurbished loco or just a spray job?

there are no new carriges. the current enterprise stock is being overhauled and refurbished. i should imagine they will be tested before re-entering service

cargo · 02-09-2015 6:16pm

end of the road wrote: »

there are no new carriges. the current enterprise stock is being overhauled and refurbished. i should imagine they will be tested before re-entering service

Sorry, let me rephrase that. Any sign of the current enterprise stock having been overhauled and refurbished returning to service?

Captain Chaos · 03-09-2015 5:05pm

Spotted 8208 outside Connolly shed earlier facing the wrong way round from it's testing duties. It's going to have to run light engine back to Belfast to turn it or it may haul the current set with no2 end leading which would be a sight not seen since 1997.

Losty Dublin · 03-09-2015 5:23pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Spotted 8208 outside Connolly shed earlier facing the wrong way round from it's testing duties. It's going to have to run light engine back to Belfast to turn it or it may haul the current set with no2 end leading which would be a sight not seen since 1997.

Could 8208 be turned on either the Connolly or Inchicore turntables?

Captain Chaos · 03-09-2015 8:05pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Could 8208 be turned on either the Connolly or Inchicore turntables?

Nope, not a hope.

When the Mk3 EGVs were being converted for Enterprise work one had to be turned, so it was hauled from Inchicore to Limerick Junction, turned on the triangle and back to Connolly for transfer on to York Road. Don't know why it could not have been down at Belfast but I'm sure there was a reason at the time.

Hungerford · 03-09-2015 9:09pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Spotted 8208 outside Connolly shed earlier facing the wrong way round from it's testing duties. It's going to have to run light engine back to Belfast to turn it

You're telling me that the refurbished Enterprise sets can only be driven from one cab on each loco? This project is starting to sound like a farce.

Hungerford · 03-09-2015 9:09pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Don't know why it could not have been down at Belfast but I'm sure there was a reason at the time.

Lack of a spare loco with NIR safety gear?

Captain Chaos · 04-09-2015 9:31am

Hungerford wrote: »

You're telling me that the refurbished Enterprise sets can only be driven from one cab on each loco? This project is starting to sound like a farce.

The 201s were always turned with the no1 end cab leading due to driver comfort as the no2 end cab is very loud in when in HEP mode. Also the change over valve for changing ends to drive from the DVT is only located in the no1 cab, it saves the driver having to go from cab 1 to 2 to the DVT to change ends.

As it is now only the no1 end cab has the new MMI screen fitted and only the no2 end of the loco has the MMI socket connection to connected to the refurb Enterprise stock. Basically if 8208 is turned it means the rufurb set was turned as well during testing.

It's a non issue as all sets have been facing the same way for 18 years, they only get turned for odd situations. Having the loco on the north facing end of the set makes it easier to swap out locos in Connolly and at York Road.

Hungerford wrote: »

Lack of a spare loco with NIR safety gear?

Doubt that was it because on at least two occasions non TPWS locos have transfered EGVs. 221 took all 4 from Inchicore to York Road and another time 082 took two from Inchicore to York Road.

GM228 · 08-09-2015 2:58pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The 201s were always turned with the no1 end cab leading due to driver comfort as the no2 end cab is very loud in when in HEP mode. Also the change over valve for changing ends to drive from the DVT is only located in the no1 cab, it saves the driver having to go from cab 1 to 2 to the DVT to change ends.

As it is now only the no1 end cab has the new MMI screen fitted and only the no2 end of the loco has the MMI socket connection to connected to the refurb Enterprise stock. Basically if 8208 is turned it means the rufurb set was turned as well during testing.

It's a non issue as all sets have been facing the same way for 18 years, they only get turned for odd situations. Having the loco on the north facing end of the set makes it easier to swap out locos in Connolly and at York Road.

Doubt that was it because on at least two occasions non TPWS locos have transfered EGVs. 221 took all 4 from Inchicore to York Road and another time 082 took two from Inchicore to York Road.

All the Enterprise sets have been turned prior to refurbishment via GVS and so 8208 was turned to enable testing, they will be re-turned prior to re-entry into service which has been deferred from the 21st until at least October.

The MMI is to be fitted in both cabs of the 201s and there is a possability the MMI cables will also eventually be fitted to both ends and to the DVTs cab fronts to enable a 201 work the train from the DVT if required.

GM228

Captain Chaos · 08-09-2015 3:03pm

It's odd to see that with the last set removed from service on Sunday evening, 227 is still on standby at Connolly with a dellner coupler. Suppose it has nowhere else to be or go for the time being.

I think 207 is next out of the paint shop as there has been no sign or her for a few weeks now.

GM228 · 08-09-2015 3:43pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It's odd to see that with the last set removed from service on Sunday evening, 227 is still on standby at Connolly with a dellner coupler. Suppose it has nowhere else to be or go for the time being.

I think 207 is next out of the paint shop as there has been no sign or her for a few weeks now.

AFAIK a stanby loco is required in Connolly at all times even when there is no Enterprise to cover for any failures on the Connolly side.

207 (and 228) are under overhaul.

228 should return in green/silver but will be interesting to see if it has the new logos removed or a white version like on the 071s.

GM228

cgcsb · 08-09-2015 4:17pm

A novice question but following this refurbishment and works on the viaduct in Drogheda, will there be any improvement in journey time?

At present I cannot get from Belfast into Dublin before 9am and the journey takes well over 2 hours, that is the problem with the service, the colour of the stripes on the side are of little consequence.

flyingsnail · 08-09-2015 4:26pm

cgcsb wrote: »

A novice question but following this refurbishment and works on the viaduct in Drogheda, will there be any improvement in journey time?

At present I cannot get from Belfast into Dublin before 9am and the journey takes well over 2 hours, that is the problem with the service, the colour of the stripes on the side are of little consequence.

I doubt there would be change to the speed once the works are finished but even if there was it would have no impact on the current timetable given the curvature of Drogheda station and the fact that most trains stop there means they are always going to be going slow through that area.

GM228 · 08-09-2015 4:27pm

cgcsb wrote: »

A novice question but following this refurbishment and works on the viaduct in Drogheda, will there be any improvement in journey time?

At present I cannot get from Belfast into Dublin before 9am and the journey takes well over 2 hours, that is the problem with the service, the colour of the stripes on the side are of little consequence.

No there is no time improvements associated with the works or refurbishment programme.

GM228

GM228 · 08-09-2015 4:55pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Could 8208 be turned on either the Connolly or Inchicore turntables?

Inchicore turntable can and has turned 201s in the past.

GM228

cgcsb · 08-09-2015 8:09pm

Seems like a waste of time/money if there's no tangible benefits for passengers.

flyingsnail · 08-09-2015 8:23pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Seems like a waste of time/money if there's no tangible benefits for passengers.

If you are talking about the viaduct then the tangible benefit is to passengers is that there is no further reduction in the speed limit and it is not left fall into disrepair where closure or replacement are your options.

If you are talking about the carriage overhauls then the tangible benefit to the passenger is that they keep working. The enterprise stock will be 20 years old next year and the refurbishment is not just a cosmetic refit but also includes a major mechanical overhaul along with some new improvements like a new passenger information system, electronic passenger reservation and new CCTV.

Captain Chaos · 09-09-2015 7:46am

GM228 wrote: »

228 should return in green/silver but will be interesting to see if it has the new logos removed or a white version like on the 071s.

GM228

Most likely the same logo as 215 got I'd have thought.

GM228 · 09-09-2015 7:58am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Most likely the same logo as 215 got I'd have thought.

215 got the standard tri-colour logo, however this logo is not permitted on cross-border fitted stock so either no logo (like on cross border 22000s) or a white or black logo will be required.

GM228

L1011 · 09-09-2015 8:48am

GM228 wrote: »

215 got the standard tri-colour logo, however this logo is not permitted on cross-border fitted stock so either no logo (like on cross border 22000s) or a white or black logo will be required.

GM228

Not permitted? I'd love to see whatever pathetic reasoning is given there. Never a problem with Are Lingus carrying tricolours - actual, not hinted - on their livery to Belfast when state owned

cgcsb · 09-09-2015 10:17am

flyingsnail wrote: »

If you are talking about the viaduct then the tangible benefit is to passengers is that there is no further reduction in the speed limit and it is not left fall into disrepair where closure or replacement are your options.

If you are talking about the carriage overhauls then the tangible benefit to the passenger is that they keep working. The enterprise stock will be 20 years old next year and the refurbishment is not just a cosmetic refit but also includes a major mechanical overhaul along with some new improvements like a new passenger information system, electronic passenger reservation and new CCTV.

I see, a maintenance exercise rather than an improvement, still disappointing that nothing is being done to improve the service, especially considering the amount of money going into more roads.

Enterprise refurbishment comes closer?

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