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Was the Haitian earthquake man-made? [Mod warning post #1]

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  • #102
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    Dr.Poca wrote: »
    Who are these credible sources?



    What then are the foundations and reasonings to this happening? Other than natural tectonic activity?



    yep, two good questions here...anyone have answers? and i mean real answers, not just a link to some weird freak talking nonsense on youtube...


  • #103
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    Dr.Poca wrote: »
    Who are these credible sources?

    Read this article in full, its got quotes from government, scientists, geologists etc

    http://globalresearch.ca?index.php?context=va&aid=17287


  • #104
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Truthrevolution wrote: »
    Dr.Poca wrote: »
    Who are these credible sources?

    Read this article in full, its got quotes from government, scientists, geologists etc

    http://globalresearch.ca?index.php?context=va&aid=17287


    Do you have a non biased link ?


  • #105
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    "man-made" quake >>>> orphans >>>> orphan abduction

    So someone has destroyed a nation, and killed over a hundred thousand people, in order to kidnap a relative handful of orphans???

    Do you geniunely believe this to be a credible theory?


  • #106
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    Truthrevolution wrote: »
    Dr.Poca wrote: »
    Who are these credible sources?

    Read this article in full, its got quotes from government, scientists, geologists etc

    http://globalresearch.ca?index.php?context=va&aid=17287


    well, of course “globalresearch” is everything but a scientifically reliable or in any way credible site...and they write "haiti, and the larger island of hispaniola of which it is a part, has the geological fate that it straddles one of the world’s most active geological zones,…" …so where does "man-made" come in for the quake?
    and as for haiti having oil...entirely possible, yet i would have to do some real research into that for the details…and what difference would it make anyway?
    but as somebody here put it, this is a conspiracy thread…so i reckon we have to put up with people claiming preposterous theories…and realism and common sense have no place in this discussion...


  • #107
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Ezili's HLLN underlines these two papers on Haiti's oil resources and the works of Dr. Ginette and Daniel Mathurin in order to provide a view one will not find in the mainstream media nor anywhere else as to the economic and strategic reasons the US has constructed its fifth largest embassy in the world - fifth only besides the US embassy in China, Iraq, Afghanistan and Germany - in tiny Haiti, post the 2004 Haiti Bush regime change.

    The facts outlined in the Dunn Plantation and Georges Michel papers, considered together, reasonably unveil part of the hidden reasons UN Special Envoy to Haiti, Bill Clinton, is giving the UN occupation a facelift so that its troops stay in Haiti for the duration.

    Haiti full of oil (french radio trans)
    Scientists and Ginette Daniel Mathurin indicate that under Haitian soil is rich in oil and fuel fossible have already been listed by foreign specialists and Haiti. "We have identified 20 sites Oil, 'Daniel Mathurin stating that 5 of them are considered of great importance by specialists and politicians.

    The Central Plateau, including the region of Thomonde, the plain of the cul-de-sac and the bay of Port-au-Prince are full of hydrocarbons, "he said adding that the oil reserves of Haiti are more important than those of Venezuela . "An Olympic pool compared to a glass of water that is the comparison to illustrate the importance of oil Haitian compared with those of Venezuela," he explains.

    Venezuela is one of the world's largest producers of oil.

    Daniel Mathurin investigations revealed that several previous governments have made it possible to verify the existence of these important oilfields. He recalls that a document of the Fanmi Lavalas party to power in 2004, had specified the numerous sites of oil in Haiti.

    According to Daniel and Ginette Mathurin, the Lake District, with cities like Thomazeau and Cornillon, contains important oilfields.

    Asked about the non-operation of those sites, Ginette Mathurin said that these deposits are declared strategic reserves of the United States of America. While citing his imcompréhension of such a situation, remember that the Caribbean is seen as the back yard of the United States.

    But Daniel Mathurin And Ginette indicate that the American government had in 2005 authorized the use of strategic reserves of the United States. The door should be used by politicians to launch Haitian négiciations with American companies in the context of the exploitation of these deposits adds Daniel Mathurin.

    The specialists contend that the government of Jean Claude Duvalier had verified the existence of a major oil field in the Bay of Port-au-Prince shortly before his downfall.

    http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/oil_sites.html#fortliberte


  • #108
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    Angry Troll wrote: »
    Truthrevolution wrote: »


    well, of course “globalresearch” is everything but a scientifically reliable or in any way credible site...and they write "haiti, and the larger island of hispaniola of which it is a part, has the geological fate that it straddles one of the world’s most active geological zones,…" …so where does "man-made" come in for the quake?
    and as for haiti having oil...entirely possible, yet i would have to do some real research into that for the details…and what difference would it make anyway?
    but as somebody here put it, this is a conspiracy thread…so i reckon we have to put up with people claiming preposterous theories…and realism and common sense have no place in this discussion...

    Why is it not a credible or reliable site, cause its not part of the mainstream media network???
    As for the earthquake, theres no real evidence back it up so yea its still a conspiracy theory.But you also have to realise that once upon a time the "weapons of mass destruction" lie was also a conspiracy theory.........


  • #109
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    MoyVilla9 wrote: »
    The publication of the story came just days after Chavez himself accused the U.S. of using the earthquake as an excuse to "invade and militarily occupy Haiti," a nation so poor that its entire economy is based on foreign aid — particularly from the U.S.

    why would you want to invade a country like that?
    mysterious wrote: »
    Well ice melting into water would seem redicolous to us if we lived on planet that never freezes.

    In other words, if your going to sit and point blank ignore the foundation and reasonings as to why this all happened, of course you will find it redicolous. It just means anything outside your perception will automatically seem that way, because your following the norm.

    Which is why I asked for you to look into it. But again you won't. That is your personal choice, but don't announce something to others as redicolous just because your not open to it.

    This is whats disucussed here on this forum, maybe one wouold ask what are you trying to do here if you wont add to the dicussion or be open to the conspiracy?

    The burden on proof is on you, you're insisting that this was caused by a secret weapon, when the much more simpler and logical explanation is that it was a natural disaster. It's hilarious that you're painting him as the crazy one.


  • #110
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Angry Troll wrote: »

    well, of course “globalresearch” is everything but a scientifically reliable or in any way credible site.

    please clarify. If you have any reason to believe so.


  • #111
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    please clarify. If you have any reason to believe so.


    too many activists and non-scientific folks publishing there...too much ideological nonsense...surely also some good stuff here and there, yet all in all not a site i would see as a reliable source for serious discussion…
    of course some folks believe anything some activist posts somewhere or claims in a youtube video if it fits their own ideas…as is of course in the nature of any conspiracy theory…maybe i just keep forgetting this thread is about a conspiracy theory, albeit a particularly preposterous and distasteful one, and not really about science or facts…


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  • #112
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    why would you want to invade a country like that?

    Oil, Uranium, Zyconium
    Scientists Daniel and Ginette Mathurin indicate that under Haitian soil is rich in oil and fuel fossible which were collected by Haitian and foreign experts. "We have identified 20 sites Oil, launches Daniel Mathurin stating that 5 of them are considered very important by practitioners and policies.

    The Central Plateau, including the region of Thomond, the plain of the cul-de-sac and the bay of Port-au-Prince are filled with oil, he said, adding that Haiti's oil reserves are larger than those of Venezuela . An Olympic pool compared to a glass of water that is the comparison to show the importance of oil Haitian compared to those of Venezuela, "he explains.

    Venezuela is one of the world's largest producers of oil.
    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.metropolehaiti.com/metropole/full_une_fr.php%3Fid%3D13439&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1

    Gold and Iridium
    SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic, November 17, 2009 .- The former president of the Dominican Petroleum Refinery (REFIDOMSA), Leopoldo Espaillat Nanita, considered one of the solutions of the Haitian State to pay its foreign debt and solve socio-economic issues that overwhelms Haitians found in deposits of gold and other minerals that owns the territory of the neighboring country.

    Espaillat Nanita revealed that according to geological studies and research conducted on Haitian soil, indicating that the nation shares with the Dominican Republic gold deposit, untapped world's largest and a little known and rare mineral that is vital for building of spacecraft and other appliances extraterrestrial iridium. These two resources are sufficient to alleviate the "poor" reality of those born in Haiti.
    The architect also claimed that these resources are poorly understood because of a multinational conspiracy that aims to extract their natural wealth Haitians, especially those derived from minerals that abound in the neighboring state.
    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.espacinsular.org/spip.php%3Farticle8942&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1



    phantom_lord wrote: »
    The burden on proof is on you, you're insisting that this was caused by a secret weapon, when the much more simpler and logical explanation is that it was a natural disaster. It's hilarious that you're painting him as the crazy one.

    How exactly do you expect him to prove it was cause by a secret weapon?


  • #113
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    How exactly do you expect him to prove it was cause by a secret weapon?

    Proof might be asking a bit much, but surely there is a valid question to be asked as to what suggests that an earthquake in an earthquake-prone area was somehow abnormal.

    In the absence of some sort of abnormality - something to give even the slightest hint that this earthquale was atypical - then the conspiracy theory we end up with is effectively this:

    A typical earthquake in an earthquake-prone area might have been atypical....not because of any evidence to support this, but because someone might stannd to gain from it, if other claims are also true.


  • #114
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    How exactly do you expect him to prove it was cause by a secret weapon?

    I'm just trying to understand why he believes in it so strongly? cause i don't see any reason to.


  • #115
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    goes without saying in science as in any serious discussion that any such theory will have to be verified somehow before we can seriously start discussing it…and in this case here i see no proof or any indication whatsoever that this quake could have been man-made…in fact it is not possible for it to be man-made, purely scientifically…after all this is just a conspiracy theory and as such based on somebody’s fantasy…


  • #116
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Angry Troll wrote: »
    but as somebody here put it, this is a conspiracy thread…so i reckon we have to put up with people claiming preposterous theories…and realism and common sense have no place in this discussion...
    Angry Troll wrote: »
    of course some folks believe anything some activist posts somewhere or claims in a youtube video if it fits their own ideas…as is of course in the nature of any conspiracy theory…maybe i just keep forgetting this thread is about a conspiracy theory, albeit a particularly preposterous and distasteful one, and not really about science or facts…
    Angry Troll wrote: »
    …after all this is just a conspiracy theory and as such based on somebody’s fantasy…

    Okay. I'm sure everybody understands how you feel now.


  • #117
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    bonkey wrote: »
    Proof might be asking a bit much, but surely there is a valid question to be asked as to what suggests that an earthquake in an earthquake-prone area was somehow abnormal.

    In the absence of some sort of abnormality - something to give even the slightest hint that this earthquale was atypical - then the conspiracy theory we end up with is effectively this:

    A typical earthquake in an earthquake-prone area might have been atypical....not because of any evidence to support this, but because someone might stannd to gain from it, if other claims are also true.

    I can only speak for myself but I believe it was a natural disaster while not ruling it out as an absolute impossibility. All I am trying to do is explore this slim possibility for discussions sake. I'm not interested in proving anything one way or the other because it would be impossible to do either way rendering it a waste of time.

    Would the US kill innocent civilians to further their own greed?
    Absolutely yes. History has proved this. They dropped a nuke, and very recently they fabricated intelligence to fight in an illegal war that killed a million innocents.

    Could they have caused the earthquake in Haiti?
    Who's to say what top secret exotic weapons are at their disposal today? None of us can answer that. Therefore none of us are in a position to accurately say whether it is possible or not.


  • #118
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Okay. I'm sure everybody understands how you feel now.


    haha yeah, think i have made that one clear enough indeed…was just under the impression some folks here really believe the quake could have been man-made…the sort of idea that easily spawns dangerous ideologies and hatred once taken as fact…


  • #119
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Angry Troll - please read the opening post of this thread, and the charter


  • #120
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I can only speak for myself but I believe it was a natural disaster while not ruling it out as an absolute impossibility. All I am trying to do is explore this slim possibility for discussions sake. I'm not interested in proving anything one way or the other because it would be impossible to do either way rendering it a waste of time.
    Posting as mod - any further discussion should be taken to the Feedback thread, so we don't go too far off-topic

    I think it would be fair to understand the term "burden of proof" to mean more than that anyone shouldering such a burden must prove something or retract it....that (as outlined in the charter) a claim has some evidence to support it, even if it can't be proven outright.
    Would the US kill innocent civilians to further their own greed?
    Absolutely yes. History has proved this. They dropped a nuke, and very recently they fabricated intelligence to fight in an illegal war that killed a million innocents.
    There are no shortage of nations and groups would will kill innocent civilians to further their own greed. Such argument, at best, would allow that if there were evidence of the disaster being caused, then the US should not be ruled out from amongst the suspects on this basis.
    Could they have caused the earthquake in Haiti?
    Who's to say what top secret exotic weapons are at their disposal today? None of us can answer that. Therefore none of us are in a position to accurately say whether it is possible or not.

    This argument can be made about a virtual infinity of ideas. In effect, what it says is that if we can't prove something to be impossible, who are we to say that its not what might have happened.

    If someone started posting that the earthquake was caused by dark magic, to further the aims of a secret cabal of evil wizards who's ultimate goal was to gain control of Davy Jones' Locker....I'm pretty confident that someone other than me would be unhappy with people pulling the **** and making a mockery of the forum. The post, however, could be defended using exactly the same argument that you have just done....as could any amount of mockery.

    This is why, ultimately, that the charter mentions that this is not the Creative Writing forum...it is not a place for flights of fancy supported by no evidence whatsoever.

    Thus, it is ultimately not unreasonable to expect anyone making allegations in a thread like this to be able to offer some sort of evidence, as opposed to just making wild claims and ignoring the burden of proof entirely


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  • #121
    rccaulfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    What a sad limited world sum of you conspiracy hypothesis people live in! Get out in the real world its way more intersting! Hate to break it to yis but we live on a cooling planet where this type of thing happens in certain regions.


  • #122
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    Angry Troll wrote: »
    too many activists and non-scientific folks publishing there...too much ideological nonsense...surely also some good stuff here and there, yet all in all not a site i would see as a reliable source for serious discussion…
    of course some folks believe anything some activist posts somewhere or claims in a youtube video if it fits their own ideas…as is of course in the nature of any conspiracy theory…maybe i just keep forgetting this thread is about a conspiracy theory, albeit a particularly preposterous and distasteful one, and not really about science or facts…

    What are you talking about? Did you even read my article? Its riddled with quotes from well established geoligists and scientists as well as the state director of mining and energy.
    But its probably a waste of time, i realised a long time ago that trying to convince a sceptic is like beating your head off a stone wall.No matter how much evidence you throw at these guys its never enough.


  • #123
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    Listening to some of you banging on about wanting to see more evidence of the US involvment in the earthquake i thought id share this article i came across today.Interestingly the US have deleted HAARP data records around the time of the earthquake......

    http://thepowerhour.com/news4/haarp_deleted_records.htm


  • #124
    mysterious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    Wanting someone to "give you more evidence"

    is just another way of giving responsibility to someone else. "I can't believe this, I can't do this, this is to much to handle"

    Someone must find me the truth, I cant do it.


    The same old song plays. Someone outside of myself should find out except me. Its why people in power get away with everything and rightly so. Is it any wonder there is so much lies, Bs and manipulation. People just fear to greatly that people in power would lie to us. But humanity has an awful knack of abusing his/her power when he/she has enough power. That power is then used to control others who don't

    History has never changed on this world. Never.


  • #125
    Angry Troll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Angry Troll


    now if anyone would please explain any possible connection between the "high frequency active auroral research program" and earthquakes...?! i mean in principle...just how could electromagnetic or other waves in the ionosphere possibly cause earthquakes...? basic physics and geology and all that considered...


  • #126
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Truthrevolution wrote: »
    Listening to some of you banging on about wanting to see more evidence of the US involvment in the earthquake i thought id share this article i came across today.Interestingly the US have deleted HAARP data records around the time of the earthquake......

    http://thepowerhour.com/news4/haarp_deleted_records.htm

    Did you actually follow the links and check out the charts?? The data records are all there for the day of the earthquake for all to see (apart from the dude who wrote that article)

    2010_01_12_hf.gif


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  • #127
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    If you read the article it says the charts are missing from the 11/01/10 before the earthquake.The chart you have there is the 12/01/10.Check it again you will not be able to get the chart.


  • #128
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Truthrevolution wrote: »
    If you read the article it says the charts are missing from the 11/01/10 before the earthquake.The chart you have there is the 12/01/10.Check it again you will not be able to get the chart.

    Ok here's the chart for the 11th of January. No problem getting it from the HAARP website:

    2010_01_11_hf.gif


  • #129
    Truthrevolution
    Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭Truthrevolution


    Thats interesting how you were able to get that data as iv been trying the HAARP website several times without success


  • #130
    espinolman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭espinolman


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Ok here's the chart for the 11th of January.

    And part of that chart is missing !


  • #131
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    espinolman wrote: »
    And part of that chart is missing !

    So?


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  • #132
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    espinolman wrote: »
    And part of that chart is missing !


    The Earthquake happened at 21.53 UTC.


  • #133
    Gardalover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Gardalover


    Thanks for posting the video ,

    I heard about the HAARP but
    this is the first time i see
    a footage of it and i start
    to realise how powerfull the
    New World Order is and how
    many people die of it is shocking.


  • #134
    Lab_Mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭Lab_Mouse


    mysterious wrote: »
    Wanting someone to "give you more evidence"

    is just another way of giving responsibility to someone else. "I can't believe this, I can't do this, this is to much to handle"

    Someone must find me the truth, I cant do it.


    The same old song plays. Someone outside of myself should find out except me. Its why people in power get away with everything and rightly so. Is it any wonder there is so much lies, Bs and manipulation. People just fear to greatly that people in power would lie to us. But humanity has an awful knack of abusing his/her power when he/she has enough power. That power is then used to control others who don't

    History has never changed on this world. Never.

    Its ok mysterious,at first I thought it was just ignorance and arrogance on your part that you wouldnt back up your believes with evidence or any link from bona fida sites.Its not that you wont, its that you CANT.

    The rest of your post as usual wanders off into newage claptrap.Us skeptics(or indeed other CT'ers that limit their views to thatof the real world)arent as clueless as you think we are.The jokes on you my friend.

    Back to the topic at hand.I will be honest I dont know what to make of those HAARP charts.Any one got a better read on them than me?


  • #135
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    i missed about 9 pages lol i read the first. and sorry if someone said this already.
    I watched a documentary on tesla and he was known to have caused an earthquake in russia i think it was during his experiments with haarp or whatever it was called that he invented to do this.
    Using the ionisphere afaik.


  • #136
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    mysterious wrote: »
    Wanting someone to "give you more evidence"

    is just another way of giving responsibility to someone else. "I can't believe this, I can't do this, this is to much to handle"

    Someone must find me the truth, I cant do it.

    The truth as far as any rational people are concerned is that this was a natural disaster, if you want us to believe that it instead was some conspiracy whereby someone used a secret weapon to destroy a country and kill 200k people then yes you're going to have to go give me some reason to believe your versions of events as I'm not so easily taken in with crazy conspiracy ideas like other people in this forum.


  • #137
    PirateShampoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Torakx wrote: »
    i missed about 9 pages lol i read the first. and sorry if someone said this already.
    I watched a documentary on tesla and he was known to have caused an earthquake in russia i think it was during his experiments with haarp or whatever it was called that he invented to do this.
    Using the ionisphere afaik.


    And when was he in Russia doing these experiments?


  • #138
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    PirateShampoo wrote: »
    And when was he in Russia doing these experiments?

    He was in america when he supposedly did it.
    It should be mentioned in one of the documentaries on google videos about Tesla as thats probably where i saw it i think.
    Im not saying he definetly did and im not saying haiti definetly was haarp.
    i just feel it is a possibility that i wouldnt put past the US government or any other gov for that matter with tons of top secret technology.


  • #139
    mysterious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭mysterious


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    The truth as far as any rational people are concerned is that this was a natural disaster, if you want us to believe that it instead was some conspiracy whereby someone used a secret weapon to destroy a country and kill 200k people then yes you're going to have to go give me some reason to believe your versions of events as I'm not so easily taken in with crazy conspiracy ideas like other people in this forum.

    Truth is often crazier than fiction. I don't really need to convince you. It's not my responsibility, that is your responsbility if you want to look into it.

    Powers of be, have killed millions of people throughout history and are still killling people in the name of power today at this minute. The average joe soap and the rest of the 99% of the world's population don't write our history books the other 1% does unfortunately. That 1% gives us the ****e we read in our history books.

    People only realise the truth when it hits home.

    But oh no, we just can't believe the truth, its to hard to believe. We live in a normal world then! I'd rather realise the crazier world than keep putting myself in some deluded denial that I'm living in a sane world. I have opened my eyes ever since I left a prison called school and used my own brain and mind to figure out whats going on this planet.

    Man with power will do what he likes, it's not strange to me.


  • #140
    seannash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Originally Posted by Brown Bomber viewpost.gif
    • They are currently building the 5th largest US embassy in the WORLD in port-au-prince.
    • Haiti has oil
    • Obviously its location is of strategic value
    • The CIA has removed the now exiled democratically elected President Aristide.

    I challenge you to give me one valid reason as to WHY the 5th largest US embassy in the world should be in Haiti.


    Gimme a break...The US lied to the world and its own people to fight an illegal war primarily over oil in Iraq.
    Proximity to Cuba, radar, Satellite, communications, submarines, CIA black ops drugs/people smuggling etc.

    If it has no strategic value please try to explain "Operation Uphold Democracy"
    http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/haiti/haiti99.htm



    And you should be made aware that some NGO's are intelligence fronts. Democratically elected is not dubious btw certainly not on the level of previous US president Bush.


    Motive.

    just to make a point on the embassy in haiti.i lived in america for 8 years and there is a ridiculously huge haitian population there(much like the irish population)

    for them to have an embassy in haiti isnt a big deal to be honest due to the amount of them there


  • #141
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    mysterious wrote: »
    But oh no, we just can't believe the truth, its to hard to believe. We live in a normal world then! I'd rather realise the crazier world than keep putting myself in some deluded denial that I'm living in a sane world.

    I think it's odd that you have to find a conspiracy for this earthquake to fit into despite a lack of evidence.

    Why do you feel the need to preoccupy yourself with these paranoid delusions?


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  • #142
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Paranoid dillusions is a bit of an overstatement i think.
    Lots of people have very very good reasons to be suspicious.
    I for one think that its quite possible the technology is there to do many things like Tesla showed us and that was back in the 1920's
    I can only dream of the stuff that they can do now.

    We have tanks now with force fields around them to interrupt missiles(Isreal i think).
    I dont see it as a Science fiction because i dont know how it works, just advancements in science that most people wont know about untill 50 years later or more.
    I dont have proof it was haarp but im guessing nobody has proof it wasnt lol.


  • #143
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    these paranoid delusions

    Please read the charter.


  • #144
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    History Channel program on how ELF waves can cause an earthquake
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxCsFtLKwe4&feature=PlayList&p=193491332D0B51EC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

    Incidentally one of the US owned transmitters is in Arecibo Puerto Rico.

    If this map links correctly you will see just how close it is to Port-Au-Prince
    http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:sv-SE:official&hs=T5g&q=arecibo+puerto+rico&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Arecibo,+Puerto+Rico&ei=N45pS_mtFY-UnwP_3o26Bg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ8gEwAA


  • #145
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    mysterious wrote: »
    Well ice melting into water would seem redicolous to us if we lived on planet that never freezes.

    In other words, if your going to sit and point blank ignore the foundation and reasonings as to why this all happened, of course you will find it redicolous. It just means anything outside your perception will automatically seem that way, because your following the norm.

    Which is why I asked for you to look into it. But again you won't. That is your personal choice, but don't announce something to others as redicolous just because your not open to it.

    This is whats disucussed here on this forum, maybe one wouold ask what are you trying to do here if you wont add to the dicussion or be open to the conspiracy?

    Oh right, so if I am not "open to the conspiracy" I should not post.

    If you want to expound the theory of human effect on a tectonic plate at Haiti, you will need to produce something more than some youtube videos and testimony from spokespersons who say "theoretically", "maybe" and "might".

    There is no conspiracy as you outline. Merely a human disaster, the latest in a long line.


  • #146
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    History Channel program on how ELF waves can cause an earthquake
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxCsFtLKwe4&feature=PlayList&p=193491332D0B51EC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say its a program about how some scientists theorise ELF waves might be able to trigger an earthquake, when the "ground conditions" are just right.

    The article starts by asking that if ELF waves have been detected before major earthquales, does this mean that the waves caused them. The show doesn't even have the basic integrity to offer the (obvious) counter-possibility....that the ELF waves are caused by the conditions which trigger the earthquake....a theory which is consistent with the notion that some animals can apparently sense coming earthquakes.

    Even then, after outlining their scenario, they explain it in the sense that just as a man walking on snow can trigger an avalanche, maybe ELF waves can trigger an earthquake when the conditions are already on a knife-edge. Well...maybe that is indeed possible...but it also begs the question as to what else would trigger an earthquake when conditions are already on a knife-edge....a butterfly flapping its wings halfway around the world? Someone playing the wrong music too loudly on a stereo?


  • #147
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Oh right, so if I am not "open to the conspiracy" I should not post.

    Lets not go there.

    If you have a problem with a post, report it.


  • #148
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Lab_Mouse wrote: »
    Its ok mysterious,at first I thought it was just ignorance and arrogance on your part that you wouldnt back up your believes with evidence or any link from bona fida sites.Its not that you wont, its that you CANT.

    The rest of your post as usual wanders off into newage claptrap.Us skeptics(or indeed other CT'ers that limit their views to thatof the real world)arent as clueless as you think we are.The jokes on you my friend.

    A bit more civility and friendliness wouldn't go astray


  • #149
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    reading some of the replys in this thread is why i dont post in ct. very annoying that people have to come on ct and slag off every person that might have an alternative view on these disasters.:rolleyes:

    HAARP is real and weather its been used as a weapon we wont know but i think we have advanced so far in technology that it is possible. look up Wilhelm Reich and his orgone device.

    The american nation dont go into a country for the sake of been nice. nice aul military base location.


  • #150
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    major bill wrote: »
    reading some of the replys in this thread is why i dont post in ct. very annoying that people have to come on ct and slag off every person that might have an alternative view on these disasters.:rolleyes:

    HAARP is real and weather its been used as a weapon we wont know but i think we have advanced so far in technology that it is possible. look up Wilhelm Reich and his orgone device.

    The american nation dont go into a country for the sake of been nice. nice aul military base location.

    This is a natural disaster. It has happened before and it will happen again. Nature is more powerful than man could ever hope to be. Natural disasters do not need the help of the US military to help them to happen.

    BTW the US already have a substantial military base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba which is less than 200km from Haiti. Nothing to be gained from building a military base on the doorstep of an existing base.


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  • #151
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    This is a natural disaster. It has happened before and it will happen again. Nature is more powerful than man could ever hope to be. Natural disasters do not need the help of the US military to help them to happen.

    BTW the US already have a substantial military base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba which is less than 200km from Haiti. Nothing to be gained from building a military base on the doorstep of an existing base.

    not saying i believe it just pointing out that nothing is impossible in this world and if people wanna believe it then let them without insulting them.


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