A few GAA referee conundrums

antoobrien · 07-11-2012 4:09pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Just thought of one that happened myself in an underage football game this year which luckily had no bearing on the result. It is kind of a variation of antoobrien's earlier one with the referee giving the score to the wrong team. (Apologies if this is a bit long winded)

As the game is u12 - a smaller pitch is in operation with the smaller set of juvenile goals being used(a nightmare for referees and umpires alike trust me)!

Within the opening minutes a player takes a shot from out on the wing which is a high lobbing ball. The ball appears to just go over the crossbar for a point and looks to me to rest on the back of the net. I award and signal the point and the game continues without any debate or contention. The ball had in fact lobbed over the keepers head and under the crossbar for a goal or so I was told. Looking back (pardon the pun) it probably was the case.

At HT after giving both sides the scoreline I think it was 1-3 to 0-4 or something I was approached by that players father who was actually standing behind that goal at the time but hadn't signalled anything for that goal. He just politely asked me if I had mistakenly given the goal as a point. Thinking back to the incident I replied yes as I was convinced it had indeed gone over the bar and rested on the back of the net. He informed me it had actually been a goal and had asked his son and all was it a goal to which he had replied it was. An awkward situation to be in lets just say.

What would you do in this instance given it is HT and you admit you may actually have been mistaken?

It's a tough one, but I've often been at adult level matches where there's no scoreboard and asked the ref confirm the score at half time so the our team know the score. It's never happened that we've had a case where we have a a different score at half time (when I asked), so I'm not sure how to proceed.

If you are happy that it's a goal, talk to the teams involved and amend the score and let everybody know the score you have. In the even of no scoreboard being in operation, talking to somebody from each team to ensure they have the score is something I'd try to do as a matter of courtesy if I was a ref.

fearruanua · 07-11-2012 4:22pm

I was playing a league football match recently and we conceded a late penalty. let's just say that i wasn't very happy with the decision and let the referee know exactly how I felt. No, he didn't book me, he proceeded to move the penalty in another 2/3 metres for dissent!! how the lad missed it i will never know. he couldn't have been more than 6/7 metres from the goal line.

Squareball2010 · 06-02-2013 4:53am

It's been a while but seeing as the GAA season has kicked off again heres a few more teasers:-

#1 2 players both chase after a loose ball down the wing. Player A is faster to the ball and goes to bend down to put the toe under it to pick it up. As he does this Player B arrives and hits A square on (the shoulder) with a shoulder charge. Decision?

#2 After allowing an earlier advantage, the attacking player (from Team A) is fouled again a number of seconds later so you award a free to Team A. After awarding the free, the player fouled remonstrates with you and gives a barrage of abuse for a) not blowing for a free earlier and b) deciding to take no further action against the player fouling. Decision? Should the free in stand?

#3 With the game in the melting pot and minutes left on the clock the ball goes out over the sideline. A player from Team A (trailing by 2 points) races over to retrieve the ball which has been gathered by a substitute from Team B. Incidentally the sub holds onto the ball and refuses to hand it over to Team A. Both players end up tussling over the ball and strike each other while others enter the fray as a fracas develops (nothing much just handbags) After calm is restored...your decision?

antoobrien · 06-02-2013 10:54am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

It's been a while but seeing as the GAA season has kicked off again heres a few more teasers:-

#1 2 players both chase after a loose ball down the wing. Player A is faster to the ball and goes to bend down to put the toe under it to pick it up. As he does this Player B arrives and hits A square on (the shoulder) with a shoulder charge. Decision?

Depends on two things:
Is player A in possession of the ball -if he doesn't have hands on the ball it's a free.
Does player B have at least 1 foot on the ground - if he jumps in, it's a free.
Otherwise play on.

Squareball2010 wrote: »

#2 After allowing an earlier advantage, the attacking player (from Team A) is fouled again a number of seconds later so you award a free to Team A. After awarding the free, the player fouled remonstrates with you and gives a barrage of abuse for a) not blowing for a free earlier and b) deciding to take no further action against the player fouling. Decision? Should the free in stand?

Depends on the severity of the "abuse" - if the remonstration is severe enough to warrant the term abuse, throw in and book the pup.

Squareball2010 wrote: »

#3 With the game in the melting pot and minutes left on the clock the ball goes out over the sideline. A player from Team A (trailing by 2 points) races over to retrieve the ball which has been gathered by a substitute from Team B. Incidentally the sub holds onto the ball and refuses to hand it over to Team A. Both players end up tussling over the ball and strike each other while others enter the fray as a fracas develops (nothing much just handbags) After calm is restored...your decision?

Line ball stands, 2 red cards for striking and also look for the 3rd man in for a red.

It means that that sub can't be used for the remainder of the game by Team B and will get a ban, however I don't think they lose a man off the pitch, where Team A will.

davegrohl48 · 06-02-2013 7:56pm

#1 Player goes to kick a ball on the ground as a player on his own team goes to pick it up. Decision?
- I'v never seen it given as a free? What are rules on fouling your own teammates?

#2 Further extension. Player injures a player on his own team by making contact with him when attempting to kick the ball on the ground when that player was in the act of picking the ball up?

Pretty sure a few will know the game and the famous player this occured with. Was horrible incident but I believe a good call by the ref. Think it was a yellow card for the reckless kick at the ball on the ground and in that case doesn't matter that it was team mate. That rule is there to prevent injury.
I think the ball was thrown up after? The injury had stopped play and then a throw in is what is required.

DDC1990 · 06-02-2013 8:54pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

#1 Player goes to kick a ball on the ground as a player on his own team goes to pick it up. Decision?
- I'v never seen it given as a free? What are rules on fouling your own teammates?

#2 Further extension. Player injures a player on his own team by making contact with him when attempting to kick the ball on the ground when that player was in the act of picking the ball up?

Pretty sure a few will know the game and the famous player this occured with. Was horrible incident but I believe a good call by the ref. Think it was a yellow card for the reckless kick at the ball on the ground and in that case doesn't matter that it was team mate. That rule is there to prevent injury.
I think the ball was thrown up after? The injury had stopped play and then a throw in is what is required.

? The famous incident.

Its hardly the Maurice Fitz incident?

Because there was no free called or yellow card. The ref waved play on, for about 10 seconds, and then stopped play because Billy told him it was broken. Then it was a hopped ball because the ref stopped play.

If you are talking about another incident... carry on :O :P

Squareball2010 · 07-02-2013 2:34am

antoobrien wrote: »

Depends on two things:
Is player A in possession of the ball -if he doesn't have hands on the ball it's a free.
Does player B have at least 1 foot on the ground - if he jumps in, it's a free.
Otherwise play on.
How is it a free if player A doesn't have the ball in his hands i.e. possession of the ball? It shouldn't matter as a shoulder (fair) charge is within the rules when a player, having at least 1 foot as you say on the ground, is (a) in possession of the ball or (b) when both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it. In either case whether A is just about to attempt to pick it up or is just after doing so...if its a shoulder charge its fair and play away. Very rarely see it though...90% of the time its a free as the shoulder charge is in the back or head or everywhere bar the shoulder.

Depends on the severity of the "abuse" - if the remonstration is severe enough to warrant the term abuse, throw in and book the pup.

See this is one that has always puzzled me. I agree with booking the 'pup' as you say if severe enough to do so especially after giving him the free and all. But the rulebook only covers retaliation from the fouled team which leads to a cancelling of the free and the throw in as you mention. But nothing to do with dissent. So is it a case all you can do is book him and can't retract the free? Seems that way but 'not 100%?....

Line ball stands, 2 red cards for striking and also look for the 3rd man in for a red.

It means that that sub can't be used for the remainder of the game by Team B and will get a ban, however I don't think they lose a man off the pitch, where Team A will.

I'd agree with that but how can you send off a sub who isn't 'playing' or on the field of play? Sure he may get the same ban in time as the player but I imagine only a recording of his name and offence is what you'd do treating him similar to say it was a mentor and a player. You cant show the mentor a red card either?

Squareball2010 · 07-02-2013 2:44am

davegrohl48 wrote: »

#1 Player goes to kick a ball on the ground as a player on his own team goes to pick it up. Decision?
- I'v never seen it given as a free? What are rules on fouling your own teammates?

#2 Further extension. Player injures a player on his own team by making contact with him when attempting to kick the ball on the ground when that player was in the act of picking the ball up?

Pretty sure a few will know the game and the famous player this occured with. Was horrible incident but I believe a good call by the ref. Think it was a yellow card for the reckless kick at the ball on the ground and in that case doesn't matter that it was team mate. That rule is there to prevent injury.
I think the ball was thrown up after? The injury had stopped play and then a throw in is what is required.

Never seen or even thought of this one I must say! There's no doubt its a foul but you can't foul your own teammate obviously so it'd be a throw in I'd imagine more than anything as you'll more than likely stop the play anyway if the player needs treatment.
With regards to #2 AND MAYBE EVEN #1 when you think of it...the relevant penalty is a yellow card if you do it to an opponent (rule 5.23) so I'd imagine same here - YC and a throw in as dangerous play to a player. Funnily there is a catch all when it comes to red card offences at rule 5.17 whereby if you commit any serious infractions outlined from 5.1-5.11 against a teammate the same punishment (ordering off) is to be applied. Strange it doesn't appear for YC offences also. Not a common occurence mind!!

bruschi · 07-02-2013 10:37am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

I'd agree with that but how can you send off a sub who isn't 'playing' or on the field of play? Sure he may get the same ban in time as the player but I imagine only a recording of his name and offence is what you'd do treating him similar to say it was a mentor and a player. You cant show the mentor a red card either?

the red text is impossible to read, maybe put in italics or bold in future.

you can show a mentor a red card, he can be ordered off the line in the same manner as a player is. Subs can be red carded, and have to leave the perimiter of the pitch, and it can happen mentors, and does happen too.

I'm also not sure how you can fairly shoulder someone who is bent over picking up a ball, especially if you are not at the same pace at that person. most often what happens is they launch into the side of him or thorugh his back and everyone shouts it was a fair tackle, much like the defender who when he pole-axes a player with a high charge to the head, stands there slapping his shoulder as if he gave a fair tackle. Just because you may use your shoulder does not make it a clean tackle. if you shoulder someone in the face or the back, it is a free.

you can foul your team mate too, not that it would happen, but it is still considered rough play if you take out one of your own players.

antoobrien · 07-02-2013 10:42am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

I'd agree with that but how can you send off a sub who isn't 'playing' or on the field of play? Sure he may get the same ban in time as the player but I imagine only a recording of his name and offence is what you'd do treating him similar to say it was a mentor and a player. You cant show the mentor a red card either?

A person can be "sent off" once they're named on the team sheet - regardless of whether or not they are on the pitch, before the match has started and after the match has ended. It will result in a ban, the same is true for mentors/selectors, though I'm not sure if they can be removed from the dugout (like happens in the foreign sport).

davegrohl48 wrote: »

#1 Player goes to kick a ball on the ground as a player on his own team goes to pick it up. Decision?

No free - the rules on'y refer to the opposition.

davegrohl48 wrote: »

#2 Further extension. Player injures a player on his own team by making contact with him when attempting to kick the ball on the ground when that player was in the act of picking the ball up?

Again no action to be taken. All the rules refer to "an opponent" not another player/person on the field of play.

davegrohl48 · 07-02-2013 9:23pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

? The famous incident.

Its hardly the Maurice Fitz incident?

Because there was no free called or yellow card. The ref waved play on, for about 10 seconds, and then stopped play because Billy told him it was broken. Then it was a hopped ball because the ref stopped play.

If you are talking about another incident... carry on :O :P

I must have remembered it wrong meself, I thought he was booked for it.
I probably have it wrong.

DDC1990 · 07-02-2013 9:31pm

My first All Ireland so I can still remember most things about that game.

Was in the Nally Stand :P But my mother was in the Hogan and could hear the crack.

Game played on, and no yellow as far as I can remember. It was tough enough in those days to get a yellow anyway, not to mention for a foul on your own player. Kerry won a free almost straight from the hop ball and Maurice swung the ball over from the sideline. Class.

Squareball2010 · 08-02-2013 4:21am

bruschi wrote: »

the red text is impossible to read, maybe put in italics or bold in future.

you can show a mentor a red card, he can be ordered off the line in the same manner as a player is. Subs can be red carded, and have to leave the perimiter of the pitch, and it can happen mentors, and does happen too.

I'm also not sure how you can fairly shoulder someone who is bent over picking up a ball, especially if you are not at the same pace at that person. most often what happens is they launch into the side of him or thorugh his back and everyone shouts it was a fair tackle, much like the defender who when he pole-axes a player with a high charge to the head, stands there slapping his shoulder as if he gave a fair tackle. Just because you may use your shoulder does not make it a clean tackle. if you shoulder someone in the face or the back, it is a free.

you can foul your team mate too, not that it would happen, but it is still considered rough play if you take out one of your own players.

Would have thought red made it clearer if anything but apologies here it is in bold AND italics.

OK now can you explain to me how you can show a mentor a red card as you say when they are not even on the field of play in a playing capacity? Where in the rule book does it imply that you show a mentor a red card? I personally don't believe it does and as far as I am aware you cannot and should not the mentor a red card but should take his name and report him after the game for his encroachment or foul play against a player. IMO this is also the same for a sub who again is not involved in a playing capacity and the rule book does not cover sending a sub off for foul play. Surely the same principle applies as with a mentor? Record name and report. From games I have been at this has been the norm anyway. Its not like soccer where managers can be sent to the stands and all that mumbo jumbo...

As for fair shoulder as someone is bending to pick the ball,...easy you can stoop down to shoulder them off it! This wouldn't be a foul but a lot the time a foul is given as I say because the shoulder is not fair and is into the back or head or whatever.

Im also curious to your last part. Not sure what you mean here with 'you can foul your team mates too but it is still considered rough play if you take out one of your own players?' Are you saying you can foul as long as the foul doesn't warrant a yellow card offence..and if it does you get a yellow and what happens?

Squareball2010 · 08-02-2013 4:28am

antoobrien wrote: »

A person can be "sent off" once they're named on the team sheet - regardless of whether or not they are on the pitch, before the match has started and after the match has ended. It will result in a ban, the same is true for mentors/selectors, though I'm not sure if they can be removed from the dugout (like happens in the foreign sport).

No free - the rules on'y refer to the opposition.

Again no action to be taken. All the rules refer to "an opponent" not another player/person on the field of play.

Anto I take your point but how can you 'send off' a player who is already off? Fair enough I accept and agree it will result in a ban but how can and more importantly WHY would you show them a red card? Rules say nothing of the sort. Same with mentors and no you can't remove them from the dugout as with them foreign sports aka soccer By recording their name and reporting it in your report that results in the ban...you can't show a mentor a red card for heavens sake. What would follow next? Showing a supporter on the sideline or outside the wire a red card too? Ha it would turn into a farce!

bruschi · 08-02-2013 10:09am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Would have thought red made it clearer if anything but apologies here it is in bold AND italics.

OK now can you explain to me how you can show a mentor a red card as you say when they are not even on the field of play in a playing capacity? Where in the rule book does it imply that you show a mentor a red card? I personally don't believe it does and as far as I am aware you cannot and should not the mentor a red card but should take his name and report him after the game for his encroachment or foul play against a player. IMO this is also the same for a sub who again is not involved in a playing capacity and the rule book does not cover sending a sub off for foul play. Surely the same principle applies as with a mentor? Record name and report. From games I have been at this has been the norm anyway. Its not like soccer where managers can be sent to the stands and all that mumbo jumbo...

As for fair shoulder as someone is bending to pick the ball,...easy you can stoop down to shoulder them off it! This wouldn't be a foul but a lot the time a foul is given as I say because the shoulder is not fair and is into the back or head or whatever.

Im also curious to your last part. Not sure what you mean here with 'you can foul your team mates too but it is still considered rough play if you take out one of your own players?' Are you saying you can foul as long as the foul doesn't warrant a yellow card offence..and if it does you get a yellow and what happens?

it is like soccer where you can send on managers and all that mumbo jumbo. Off the top of my head, I can remember John Maughan sent off at a Mayo game, and him behind the fence in his board shorts. I know it does, and definitely can happen as I have seen it happen quite a few times. Dont know the specific rule and I'm too lazy to go find it, but it does, and can happen. It also does happen a sub too, why cant it? If a sub runs on the field and decks a player, why should he be allowed to come on and play minutes later?

not sure where you are confused by my last point. If a player on the same team hits one of his own lads a punch for example, he can be sent off. Just because they are on the same teams does not mean they can not be punished by 'rough play' rule definitions.

antoobrien · 08-02-2013 11:08am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Anto I take your point but how can you 'send off' a player who is already off? Fair enough I accept and agree it will result in a ban but how can and more importantly WHY would you show them a red card?

Why show then a red card? They are named on the team sheet. If you don't show them the red card, they can come on a sub later. It's covered under rule 5.21 (hurling), 5.18 (football) - if an incident happens before play or at half time the offender "shall be treated as ordered off and shall not participate (or further participate) in the game."

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Rules say nothing of the sort. Same with mentors and no you can't remove them from the dugout as with them foreign sports aka soccer By recording their name and reporting it in your report that results in the ban...you can't show a mentor a red card for heavens sake.

I have seen mentors being sent from the dugout, I don't know what rule it's covered under but it does happen.

The aggressive fouls list does not specify that the fouls have to be made by a player abd mentors are held to the same rules as players - they can no more strike an opponent/match offical than a player can.

Squareball2010 wrote: »

What would follow next? Showing a supporter on the sideline or outside the wire a red card too? Ha it would turn into a farce!

You should read the rules sometime, you might be enlightened because your ignorance of them is astounding. Spectators & mentors are held to the same rules as players - whether or not this is actually enforced. In the situation you described the referee is supposed to include it in the match report, with the supporters name if possible - something I have heard happening on a few occasions (but I have never been at a match where it has happened).

babs23 · 14-02-2013 1:58am

referee should consider his giving up! If both teams agree that Cashell won there should be no need for a replay.

feargale · 14-02-2013 2:35am

68Murph68 wrote: »

#16 A footballer player handles the ball while the ball is in contact with the ground. The referee sees this and correctly allows play to continue. Why?

It's the goalkeeper.

Squareball2010 · 26-03-2013 4:55am

[QUOTE=antoobrien;83113791

You should read the rules sometime, you might be enlightened because your ignorance of them is astounding. Spectators & mentors are held to the same rules as players - whether or not this is actually enforced. In the situation you described the referee is supposed to include it in the match report, with the supporters name if possible - something I have heard happening on a few occasions (but I have never been at a match where it has happened).[/QUOTE]

Long overdue reply to this but trust me I've read the rules plenty of times as referees usually have to do

I still find it funny how you feel spectators and mentors are held to the same rules as players. The difference is - the rules are 'playing rules' and these people don't 'play' in the game. Therefore how you can say a referee can red card them is bizarre. They're not players so they can't be red carded. They can be asked I believe to leave the sideline/pitch and you would most certainly record the incident and their names in your report but even the thought of one of our supporters or coaches getting a red card from the referee is hilarious in itself.

Anyway needless to say I was just sparking a debate and provoking thought as I have throughout the thread.

Squareball2010 · 26-03-2013 5:00am

Another small one that occurs quite regularly in games:

Should play be stopped for a player injured at any stage during the game? If so when, when not and why?

Necro · 08-05-2013 4:37pm

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Another small one that occurs quite regularly in games:

Should play be stopped for a player injured at any stage during the game? If so when, when not and why?

Only if it's a head or blood injury - I think.

jwcurtin · 04-06-2013 9:30pm

I'm dragging this up to ask a very simple question that doesn't seem to be in the rules: How many players are allowed on the line for a 21 yard (20m) free in hurling? I always though it was 5, but there's no mention of it in the rules as far as I can see.

rebel girl 15 · 04-06-2013 9:47pm

jwcurtin wrote: »

I'm dragging this up to ask a very simple question that doesn't seem to be in the rules: How many players are allowed on the line for a 21 yard (20m) free in hurling? I always though it was 5, but there's no mention of it in the rules as far as I can see.

If it is a penalty, as signalled by the referee by putting his hands out wide, its 3. Other than that as far as I'm aware its as many as you want. 5 just seems to be the norm

antoobrien · 05-06-2013 9:25am

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

If it is a penalty, as signalled by the referee by putting his hands out wide, its 3. Other than that as far as I'm aware its as many as you want. 5 just seems to be the norm

Yup, it's a matter of how many you can fit on the line without them getting in each other's way.

macadam · 09-06-2013 6:53am

Guy's Im also a ref, but the rules of the gaelic football are crazy, tell me what rule in the book mentions "Noting a player".

Also what is the offence for a goalkeeper taking a kickout and the ball rolling?

kala85 · 09-06-2013 11:55am

Player has the ball in his hand and steps over the sideline or the goal line. What happens here? What do you think? Is it a line ball / goal as appropriate or just play on??

kala85 · 09-06-2013 11:58am

Managers cannot be red carded . There is no rule in the book to say that the managers can be red carded. In most cases in club matches - there is an unwritten rule as far as I know that refs can ask/ order any abusive person from the pitch.

Managers who give verbals at matches are supposed to reported in the referees report and let the county board deal with them.

antoobrien · 10-06-2013 9:17am

kala85 wrote: »

Managers cannot be red carded . There is no rule in the book to say that the managers can be red carded. In most cases in club matches - there is an unwritten rule as far as I know that refs can ask/ order any abusive person from the pitch.

Managers who give verbals at matches are supposed to reported in the referees report and let the county board deal with them.

see rule 7 (c)and bear in mind that if an official gets a suspension, they are not allowed in the pitch area, so a referee can order them to leave the playing area.

bren2001 · 10-06-2013 12:24pm

kala85 wrote: »

Player has the ball in his hand and steps over the sideline or the goal line. What happens here? What do you think? Is it a line ball / goal as appropriate or just play on??

Ball has to cross the line. It's not rugby. Play on, I regularly would step over the side line to get by an opponent, just keep the ball in play.

antoobrien · 10-06-2013 12:30pm

kala85 wrote: »

Player has the ball in his hand and steps over the sideline or the goal line. What happens here? What do you think? Is it a line ball / goal as appropriate or just play on??

If the ball crosses the line free out/line ball as appropriate. It's a free rather than a goal because the ball can't be carried over the goal line.

Cuchulainn2012 · 10-06-2013 3:20pm

macadam wrote: »

Guy's Im also a ref, but the rules of the gaelic football are crazy, tell me what rule in the book mentions "Noting a player".

Also what is the offence for a goalkeeper taking a kickout and the ball rolling?

Noting a player refers to taking a players number - in football there are a few fouls which dont merit a yellow but are notable offences. Players do not need to be informed that they are noted but referees will usually let the player know.

The goalkeeper one has two scenarios - if the referee has blew the whistle for play to restart and the keeper rolls the ball out and during the roll sticks his welly in it - 1 foul has been committed and a throw up on the 13m should take place.
2 - as in most cases a referee will simply ask for the kick to be retaken.

macadam · 10-06-2013 9:11pm

Cuchulainn2012 wrote: »

Noting a player refers to taking a players number - in football there are a few fouls which dont merit a yellow but are notable offences. Players do not need to be informed that they are noted but referees will usually let the player know.

The goalkeeper one has two scenarios - if the referee has blew the whistle for play to restart and the keeper rolls the ball out and during the roll sticks his welly in it - 1 foul has been committed and a throw up on the 13m should take place.
2 - as in most cases a referee will simply ask for the kick to be retaken.

Neither in the official guide 2012.
Re kickout, Rule 2.7a Just states that the ball is kicked out after a wide or a score from 13m line(nothing mentioned about a rolling ball) so its not actually a foul, if the ref warns him not to do it again he can throw it up if he does.

As for Noting, I know the procedure for carrying out the noting/tick, but it is not mentioned once in the rule book.

ANXIOUS · 10-06-2013 9:34pm

Id say a rolling kick out is covered under rule 2.5.

macadam · 10-06-2013 10:29pm

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Id say a rolling kick out is covered under rule 2.5.

I see where your coming from but a Kick out is not a Free kick, this is what I mean about the rules they are crazy, there are loopholes in almost 50% of rules.

feargale · 11-06-2013 12:47am

Squareball2010 wrote: »

Incident #1:The ball strikes a defender hits the corner flag and goes out over the endline. Decision? [/quote/] 65
#2A player attempts to strike a sideline cut, misses the ball and pulls for a second time. Decision? Ignore and let play continue. He didn't make contact with the ball. Therefore play had not recommenced.
#3You have just moved the ball forward 13m for dissent after awarding a free and a player continues to remonstrate with your decision. Decision? Yellow card and move the ball forward another 13m.,
#4A player disagrees with your line ball decision. Can the line ball be advanced 13m for dissent? In my opinion yes.
#5A player takes a free and gives it to his teamate who is standing 10m away approx. Decision? Throw in. Free against if I'm in a bad mood :-)
#6An Attacking player is fouled in the large square just as he strikes his shot which the goalkeeper makes a brilliant save to tip the ball over the bar. Decision?
Penalty. The decision must be to the victim's best advantage, and presumably the point is there for the taking if the injured team so chooses. Of course, the question of a card and its colour also arises.
#7In hurling, the goalkeeper makes a superb save and proceeds to protect his goal from an on rushing forward by lieing on the ball inside the small square. Decision? Penalty.
#8In football, the ball is picked up/touched on the ground inside the small square by a defender. Decision?

Penalty.

macadam · 11-06-2013 7:34am

You can only move the ball forward 13m once if the player remonstrates again its a yellow, if he or another player keeps it going its a straight red to either or..
Rule 6 -Dissent

mooonpie · 11-06-2013 11:48am

antoobrien wrote: »

If the ball crosses the line free out/line ball as appropriate. It's a free rather than a goal because the ball can't be carried over the goal line.

Just to complicate matters (I was aware of the above already) ... What happens if a defender carries the ball over his own goal line?

antoobrien · 11-06-2013 12:03pm

mooonpie wrote: »

Just to complicate matters (I was aware of the above already) ... What happens if a defender carries the ball over his own goal line?

Goal, the prohibition is only against the attacker.

If a defending player plays the ball through his own scoring space in any manner, this shall count as a score.

Colm R · 11-06-2013 2:00pm

OK here is a very unlikely conundrum. Throwing the ball.

If I throw the ball at the ground and catch it again, its just a bounce.

If I throw it at the ground and, for whatever reason fail to control it, I do not think I will be penalized. Any player is now able to take possession of the ball in open play but I am not being punished for not controlling the bounce of the ball.

So basically, you're allowed throw the ball at the ground - its not necessary to catch it again. So, could I throw a ball to another player and provided the ball hits the ground before the other player receives it, then is that OK?

What say ye?

I can't imagine a situation where it could possibly happen - maybe where a player is in possession and is surrounded by two or more defenders. With no space to swing a hand or foot, he may jump in the air and throw the ball to the ground at a distance away from him.

antoobrien · 11-06-2013 2:47pm

Colm R wrote: »

If I throw it at the ground and, for whatever reason fail to control it, I do not think I will be penalized. Any player is now able to take possession of the ball in open play but I am not being punished for not controlling the bounce of the ball.

So basically, you're allowed throw the ball at the ground - its not necessary to catch it again. So, could I throw a ball to another player and provided the ball hits the ground before the other player receives it, then is that OK?

If the player is on your team it's a free because it's an illegal pass.

Colm R wrote: »

I can't imagine a situation where it could possibly happen - maybe where a player is in possession and is surrounded by two or more defenders. With no space to swing a hand or foot, he may jump in the air and throw the ball to the ground at a distance away from him.

That'd be a free.

Colm R · 11-06-2013 3:41pm

antoobrien wrote: »

If the player is on your team it's a free because it's an illegal pass.

Is it a free if I genuinely loose control of the ball in the course of a bounce and one of my own players gets possession?

If so, that makes my whole point redundant.

macadam · 11-06-2013 3:53pm

Colm R wrote: »

OK here is a very unlikely conundrum. Throwing the ball.

If I throw the ball at the ground and catch it again, its just a bounce.

If I throw it at the ground and, for whatever reason fail to control it, I do not think I will be penalized. Any player is now able to take possession of the ball in open play but I am not being punished for not controlling the bounce of the ball.

So basically, you're allowed throw the ball at the ground - its not necessary to catch it again. So, could I throw a ball to another player and provided the ball hits the ground before the other player receives it, then is that OK?

What say ye?

I can't imagine a situation where it could possibly happen - maybe where a player is in possession and is surrounded by two or more defenders. With no space to swing a hand or foot, he may jump in the air and throw the ball to the ground at a distance away from him.

No free ,
Bounce defined;
For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again.

antoobrien · 11-06-2013 3:54pm

Colm R wrote: »

Is it a free if I genuinely loose control of the ball in the course of a bounce and one of my own players gets possession?

If so, that makes my whole point redundant.

Bounce is defined in the rules

1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again.

What you have described falls under one of two of technical fouls, throwing the ball or incorrect handpass

feargale · 11-06-2013 9:32pm

A player kicks the football in an attempt to score. The ball bursts in transit before it crosses the goal line. The leather goes into the net and the bladder goes over the bar. You are the ref......?

kala85 · 11-06-2013 9:37pm

bren2001 wrote: »

Ball has to cross the line. It's not rugby. Play on, I regularly would step over the side line to get by an opponent, just keep the ball in play.

but under rule - a player is not allowed to step outside the boundary of the pitch at any time. - cant find the rule book at the moment but I can remember that much

So a player can step out over the line with the ball in his hand but as long as the ball isnt over the line and his hand is holding the ball inside the field of play then its play on.

I would nearly think that if a player steps out over the line with the ball in his possession regardless if the ball is actually inside the field of play or outside it , its a line ball because the player has the ball in his hand ( his feet are out over the line - he is out and the ball is out as he has it in his possession) and secondly he has stepped out of the field of play to gain an advantage.( which under rule he shouldnt really have done to begin with)

Where can this be definatively shown in the rule book?

macadam · 11-06-2013 10:21pm

feargale wrote: »

A player kicks the football in an attempt to score. The ball bursts in transit before it crosses the goal line. The leather goes into the net and the bladder goes over the bar. You are the ref......?

It actually cannot happen now with the sewn ball but I do believe it happened in a Junior all ireland years ago and the Ref awarded both a goal and a point.
If it did happen I would award where ever the leather went, I think!!

feargale · 11-06-2013 11:15pm

macadam wrote: »

It actually cannot happen now with the sewn ball but I do believe it happened in a Junior all ireland years ago and the Ref awarded both a goal and a point.
If it did happen I would award where ever the leather went, I think!!

I heard it happened but thought it might be an old wives' tale ( or, in these politically correct times, the tale of a chronologically challenged spouse. ) I would have split the difference and awarded two points.

daniels.ducks · 12-06-2013 10:50pm

kala85 wrote: »

Player has the ball in his hand and steps over the sideline or the goal line. What happens here? What do you think? Is it a line ball / goal as appropriate or just play on??

player steps over the line to gain and advantage... i.e get around a player it's a free against him.
Take a goalkeeper catching the ball in the small rectangle, there are attackers surrounding him so he makes a dash for the corner flag. There is a player on the end line preventing him from his path. While still in the small rectangle he handpasses the ball over the opponents head and reclaims in after the bounce but while doing so steps over the end line to gain an advantage.
By the rules this is a foul but is it a penalty as he stepped over the line within the small rectangle so a technical foul in the small rectangle is a penalty?

Also to clear up the ball over the line conundrum the rule book states that the full ball must be over the line for it to be dead. If i'm shouldered over the line but my hand/ball stay inside the pitch it's play on

feargale · 13-06-2013 12:33am

daniels.ducks wrote: »

player steps over the line to gain and advantage... i.e get around a player it's a free against him.
Take a goalkeeper catching the ball in the small rectangle, there are attackers surrounding him so he makes a dash for the corner flag. There is a player on the end line preventing him from his path. While still in the small rectangle he handpasses the ball over the opponents head and reclaims in after the bounce but while doing so steps over the end line to gain an advantage.
By the rules this is a foul but is it a penalty as he stepped over the line within the small rectangle so a technical foul in the small rectangle is a penalty?

It's no penalty. If he were legitimately shouldered over the line it would be a 65. Ditto if he steps over it.

daniels,ducks wrote: »

Also to clear up the ball over the line conundrum the rule book states that the full ball must be over the line for it to be dead. If i'm shouldered over the line but my hand/ball stay inside the pitch it's play on

hand yes. Ball no.

macadam · 13-06-2013 6:57am

feargale wrote: »

It's no penalty. If he were legitimately shouldered over the line it would be a 65. Ditto if he steps over it.
hand yes. Ball no.

I'd say your wrong there, the goalkeeper cannot be touched in the small square he can only be challenged for the ball Rule 1.7, he also cannot step over a boundary line to gain an advantage Rule 1.9 and Rule 4.34, the foul is not in the small square it when he steps over the end line, Free Kick
1.9 Provided that he has at least one foot on the
ground, a player may make a shoulder to
shoulder charge on an opponent-
(a) who is in possession of the ball, or
(b) who is playing the ball, or
(c) when both players are moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
When he is within the small rectangle, the
goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be
challenged for possession of the ball, and his
puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental
contact with the goalkeeper while playing the
ball is permitted.
4.34 To deliberately go outside the boundary lines
to gain an advantage except as provided in
Rule 1.9

A few GAA referee conundrums

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