Question: confiscated car

No Pants · 05-03-2014 7:11pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

okey let me tell you that . how many irish people get away for not buying taxes ? driving without taxes , aww well only 70 euru fine , that okey ??? more the 50% . They don't ****ing know how to drive a car, they cause accidents ! more than 70% in ireland don't even use turn light . Or grannys at old age barely walk , drive at 20 where speed limit it 100 ? it's okey is it ? It okey for not showing what direction you are turning ? because if someone bumbs in his ass it's your fault because you didn't keep the distance ?

What are you banging on about?

angeliukas92 · 05-03-2014 8:00pm

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

section 41 of the road traffic act 1994 (AS AMENDED) is the act for vehicle seizures,section 56 of the road traffic act 1961 (AS AMENDED) deals with insurance,and I think section 73 of the finance act 1976 (AS AMENDED) covers the motor tax issue,not too sure what the act for the NCT is though,but sure look if I went to your country OP and done what your father did I very much doubt i'd get away with it for 8 days let alone 8 years,was the car crushed????I hope to f**k it was,i'm sick of being screwed as a motorist when the likes of your father think they are immune from irish road traffic legislation!!!!! RANT OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well if you didn't read all the chat trough . i said tht he came with this car to ireland he drove it for a whie and he bought an irish car it was all taxes, nct up to date and insured. so he only took the other car just for a spin but she was insured no matter if he drove it or not, and nct in the home country. It doesn't mean he used her for daily use every day for 8 years !

angeliukas92 · 05-03-2014 8:04pm

No Pants wrote: »

What are you banging on about?

I gave you the daily facts that are in ireland ..

V.W.L 11 · 05-03-2014 8:12pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

well if you didn't read all the chat trough . i said tht he came with this car to ireland he drove it for a whie and he bought an irish car it was all taxes, nct up to date and insured. so he only took the other car just for a spin but she was insured no matter if he drove it or not, and nct in the home country. It doesn't mean he used her for daily use every day for 8 years !

nope read the entire chat,read the first few post and I seen enough after that,insured for irish roads???there is a difference in insurance depending on the country,i.e the maximum payout in this country AFAIK is 30 million euro,are you telling my that the insurance company back in your home land has that as well???I've heard plenty of negative stories of dealings with insurance companies from other E.U member states and the max the pay out is no where near the irish amount,do you think that what your father done was right/fair????yet I have seen you have complained in a few posts about irish drivers not indicating,old ladies etc!!!!!I assume by you saying all that you are mrs perfect yeah??? :rolleyes:

paulmclaughlin · 05-03-2014 8:22pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

I gave you the daily facts that are in ireland ..

What daily facts? Can you be more clear of these facts? And give evidence to back them up?

CiniO · 05-03-2014 8:30pm

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

nope read the entire chat,read the first few post and I seen enough after that,insured for irish roads???there is a difference in insurance depending on the country,i.e the maximum payout in this country AFAIK is 30 million euro,are you telling my that the insurance company back in your home land has that as well???I've heard plenty of negative stories of dealings with insurance companies from other E.U member states and the max the pay out is no where near the irish amount,do you think that what your father done was right/fair????

I think current minimum EU insurance payout sum is 5 million on personal claims, and 1 million on property claims. That's EU minimum and every car third party insurance policy in EU must provide at least this.
And that's what most countries from Easter Europe go with. Very seldom they offer more.

AFAIK my Irish car insurance, offers 30 million on property claims, and unlimited amount on personal claims.

This doesn't really matter though, as if bigger claim arises, it will be covered from insurance fund, and recovered from person who caused an accident.

V.W.L 11 · 05-03-2014 8:37pm

CiniO wrote: »

I think current minimum EU insurance payout sum is 5 million on personal claims, and 1 million on property claims. That's EU minimum and every car third party insurance policy in EU must provide at least this.
And that's what most countries from Easter Europe go with. Very seldom they offer more.

AFAIK my Irish car insurance, offers 30 million on property claims, and unlimited amount on personal claims.

This doesn't really matter though, as if bigger claim arises, it will be covered from insurance fund, and recovered from person who caused an accident.

Never knew the minimun but i knew the max.which you say is €30,000,000 which is right i think but what happens when these uninsured non irish cars cause crashes?i know the M.I.B.I are there but its because of people like that driving uninsured the law abiding drivers get shafted.

Marty McFly · 05-03-2014 8:43pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

well if you didn't read all the chat trough . i said tht he came with this car to ireland he drove it for a whie and he bought an irish car it was all taxes, nct up to date and insured. so he only took the other car just for a spin but she was insured no matter if he drove it or not, and nct in the home country. It doesn't mean he used her for daily use every day for 8 years !

Pretty sure the equivalent to the N.C.T in Lithuania counts for sweet fcuk all over here. It was driven here for 8 years without paying VRT or tax there is no defending that no matter what way you try spin it.

CiniO · 05-03-2014 8:52pm

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Never knew the minimun but i knew the max.which you say is €30,000,000 which is right i think but what happens when these uninsured non irish cars cause crashes?i know the M.I.B.I are there but its because of people like that driving uninsured the law abiding drivers get shafted.

I don't think OP's father drove uninsured.
Even though his policy could have lower limit, in practice, you would have to cause a real road catastrophy for the higher payment to be required than EU minimum.
Consider that his car would be 100% legal here, if he was a tourist.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not justifying him. I'm just telling, that it's not as bad as you think.

I already said here, that any vehicle import/registration taxes all over EU should be scrapped. It would be a better place for drivers then.

colm_mcm · 05-03-2014 9:59pm

If the car was here 8 years and only took for short spins, how was there a Lithuanian test on it?

CiniO · 05-03-2014 10:07pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

If the car was here 8 years and only took for short spins, how was there a Lithuanian test on it?

You know....
Sure the lads in Lithuania test centres can post up the test cert to Ireland, if they get good bottle of Paddy (or Connemara mountain dew) in exchange.

No Pants · 05-03-2014 10:20pm

angeliukas92 wrote: »

I gave you the daily facts that are in ireland ..

Facts don't come with question marks.

Fact. :pac:

s14driftking · 06-03-2014 1:25am

angeliukas92 wrote: »

okey let me tell you that . how many irish people get away for not buying taxes ? driving without taxes , aww well only 70 euru fine , that okey ??? more the 50% . They don't ****ing know how to drive a car, they cause accidents ! more than 70% in ireland don't even use turn light . Or grannys at old age barely walk , drive at 20 where speed limit it 100 ? it's okey is it ? It okey for not showing what direction you are turning ? because if someone bumbs in his ass it's your fault because you didn't keep the distance ?

No offence but if your not happy about irish motorists or irish rules u do realise there is a boat or a plane back to where u think your country is so much better.

bear1 · 06-03-2014 10:03am

angeliukas92 wrote: »

I gave you the daily facts that are in ireland ..

No you didn't, can you provide a source for the 70% of motorists don't use a light?
I can't see why you are getting snotty at some posters reactionn
Your father got a 200e fine for keeping a car illegally in the country for 8 years.
You bang on about Ireland's stupid laws but not one country has perfect laws.
Here's an example seeing as you are Lithuanian.
About a year or so ago we were driving near Kaunas on our way to Riga, speed signs seem to be non existent in EE (at least not as frequently shown as here) and we were caught doing 71 in a 60kph on a dual-carriageway.
We had to pay a 100e fine! for 11kph over the limit on a feckin dual carriageway.
That is your countries law when it comes to speed, quite excessive also from the stories I've heard from people driving there.
So a fine for speeding in Lithuania is 50% of the fine from driving a foreign car illegally in Ireland for 8 years!

stealthyspeeder · 06-03-2014 1:06pm

View wrote: »

If you have moved "pemanently" (i.e. taken up residence, job etc), you need to conform to local laws and be locally registrated, insured, taxed etc. You also usually have to do this pretty much immediately after you arrive or shortyly thereafter.

Bit off the mark there, being "resident" (as defined by the taxes consolidation act) is defined differently in the legislation, to being "normally resident" for the purposes of vehicle registration.

Being "resident" for the taxes consolidation act comes down to whether or not you are in the state for 183 days in any tax year. Being "normally resident" depends on being in the state for 185 days in a year (if your personal and occupation ties are in the state), but if your job is in a different country to your personal ties, the number of days in the state is irrelevant. The country of personal ties is taken as the country of "normal residence" (provided the person returns regularly)

So it is certainly possible that a person may get a job in the state, and spend the majority of their time in the state, but not be required to register their car in the state.

Im not saying this necessarily applies in this situation, but your post was in conflict with the underlying facts.

CiniO wrote: »

That's not true.
Can you point any law stating that?

I agree with everything you have said up until this point. Your effectively saying here that the car doesn't need to be taxed in its domestic market. Im afraid it does. Most countries require completion of a safety inspection, before tax will be granted. Makes it a bit hard to see how a car which has not returned home in 8 years, could have a valid NCT equivalent and thus tax.

EU Directive

4. (a) The scope of this Directive shall not extend to the temporary importation of private vehicles, caravans, pleasure boats, private aircraft, bicycles and tricycles for private use which have not been acquired or imported in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market of a Member State

Irish Law

4. (1) These Regulations shall apply only to a vehicle which has been acquired under the general conditions of taxation in force in the domestic market of a country

CiniO · 06-03-2014 7:11pm

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I agree with everything you have said up until this point. Your effectively saying here that the car doesn't need to be taxed in its domestic market.

Yes, that's what I'm saying (hence example was Irish registered car without valid motortax used in Poland). And that's 100% legal.

Im afraid it does. Most countries require completion of a safety inspection, before tax will be granted. Makes it a bit hard to see how a car which has not returned home in 8 years, could have a valid NCT equivalent and thus tax.

Hmm.
Ireland is best example, where you can NCT the car which is not taxed, and you can tax the car which is not NCTed.
But that doesn't really matter.
You are forgetting, that most countries in EU don't charge motortax in a way Ireland does.
OP's case where car being 8 years in Ireland had valid roadworthiness test from Lithuania, was surely not right. I assume cert must have been acquired illegally, (f.e. tester in Lithuania stamped it without ever seeing the car). There's no other way if car was all the time in Ireland.

But now, returning to usage of Irish untaxed vehicle abroad.
Law you linked, seem to confirm it's not required.

From EU directive you linked:

1. Member States shall, under the conditions laid down below, exempt temporary imports from another Member State of motor-driven road vehicles (including their trailers), caravans, pleasure boats, private aircraft, bicycles, tricycles and saddle-horses from: - turnover tax, excise duties and any other consumption tax,
- the taxes listed in the Annex hereto.

By turnover tax, excise, duties, and any other consumption tax - they mean something like out VRT, VAT, etc..
Irish motortax is not included in it.
That's why it's listed separately in mentioned annex:

IRELAND
- Motor vehicle excise duties (Finance (Excise Duties) (Vehicles) Act 1952 as amended, and Section 94, Finance Act 1973 as amended)

So now what you quoted and insinuate it's prohibiting vehicle without valid roadtax/motortax to travel abroad, doesn't really mean that

4. (a) The scope of this Directive shall not extend to the temporary importation of private vehicles, caravans, pleasure boats, private aircraft, bicycles and tricycles for private use which have not been acquired or imported in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market of a Member State and/or which are subject by reason of their exportation to any exemption from or refund of turnover tax, excise duty or any other consumption tax.

This relates to taxes like VAT or VRT which are payable at time of registration.
Some countries (Ireland including) can refund those taxes when vehicle in exported. So above would mean, that if VRT refund was issued on Irish regirstered car, that vehicle couldn't be used abroad. (which is logical - car deregistered in Ireland can not be used abroad, as it's not registered in any country, even if it still has Irish number plates).

As pointed above, Irish motortax is separate thing, and it doesn't come under either turnover tax, excise duty or consumption tax. That's why it's listed separately.

Irish law which you quoted S.I. 60/1993 pretty much implements above EU directive.

And example I was giving that Irish registered car can be used 100% legally in Poland without valid Irish motortax is correct.
There is no law which would require that tax to be valid, when car is outside Ireland. At least not in Poland.

stealthyspeeder · 06-03-2014 8:04pm

I have no idea about the domestic law in Poland, but the Irish law (as you stated) is there to implement the EU directive, I would assume the same directive being implemented in another EU country would require there to be equivalent laws.

The Irish law copies the EU law and states the

general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market of a Member State

For Ireland, according to

- Motor vehicle excise duties (Finance (Excise Duties) (Vehicles) Act 1952 as amended, and Section 94, Finance Act 1973 as amended)

This includes

(2) (a) Subject to paragraph (b) of this subsection, the duties charged under this section shall be paid annually upon licences to be taken out by the person keeping the vehicle.

So this means that if an Irish car is to be used in another EU state, its Irish motor tax must be up to date. (Motor tax is effectively a consumption tax, which is specified directly in the directive as a tax that must complied with for exemption to be valid)

I dont see how a foreign car with out of date tax could be described as being "in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market" of the foreign state.

Registration is separate to taxation.

A car cannot be taxed, without being registered.

That is why the law specifies "general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market of a Member State" and not validly registered in another member state.

If the tax is up to date, it is definitely registered in another member state.

If its tax is not up to date, there is no way to know if it is even registered in another member state.

An Irish car with no Irish tax could definitely NOT be used legally in another EU member state such as Poland, as it would not be "in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force" in Ireland.

CiniO · 06-03-2014 10:40pm

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

I have no idea about the domestic law in Poland, but the Irish law (as you stated) is there to implement the EU directive, I would assume the same directive being implemented in another EU country would require there to be equivalent laws.

The Irish law copies the EU law and states the

For Ireland, according to

- Motor vehicle excise duties (Finance (Excise Duties) (Vehicles) Act 1952 as amended, and Section 94, Finance Act 1973 as amended)

This includes

So this means that if an Irish car is to be used in another EU state, its Irish motor tax must be up to date. (Motor tax is effectively a consumption tax, which is specified directly in the directive as a tax that must complied with for exemption to be valid)

I dont see how a foreign car with out of date tax could be described as being "in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market" of the foreign state.

Registration is separate to taxation.

A car cannot be taxed, without being registered.

That is why the law specifies "general conditions of taxation in force on the domestic market of a Member State" and not validly registered in another member state.

If the tax is up to date, it is definitely registered in another member state.

If its tax is not up to date, there is no way to know if it is even registered in another member state.

An Irish car with no Irish tax could definitely NOT be used legally in another EU member state such as Poland, as it would not be "in accordance with the general conditions of taxation in force" in Ireland.

I undestand point you are making, but I think you are wrong.
You quoted only part of paragraph. Full one is as below:

4. (1) These Regulations shall apply only to a vehicle which has been acquired under the general conditions of taxation in force in the domestic market of a country and which is not the subject, on the grounds of exportation or departure from that country, of any exemption from or any refund of value-added tax, excise duty or any other consumption tax.

So the car must be acquired under general conditions of taxation. By that it means that all taxes in relation to registration a car must be paid. Not the annual motortax.
And secondly it says that is must not be subject of any tax exemption or refund, on the grounds of exportation.
That would mean, that car can not be deregistred and tax refunded.

Also as I mentioned in previous post, tax like motortax is no an VAT, neither excise duty, nor consumption tax.
For that reason it's listed separately in mentioned EU directive.

That's my understanding of this directive, but I might be wrong about this interpretation.

However there is one more thing which I'm 100% sure.

The EU directive says:

1. Member States may maintain and/or introduce more liberal arrangements than those provided for in this Directive.

By above, this directive only set's the maximum limitations EU states can implement. It doesn't set any minimum.
Poland never imprlemented this directive in form like Ireland did.
There is no requirement in Polish law for foreign car fulfill general conditions of taxation in force from country of registration.

As nearly all countries in EU signed Vienna convention on road traffic 1968 (including Poland), rules on foreign car are set by this convention mostly.

Foreign car must be registered in home country, must have valid VRC, must have valid insurance and valid test. And must fulfill all technical specifications from home country (f.e. in country of registration it's obligatory to have first aid kit, it must be inside when in Poland).

But there is nothing about taxes like Irish motortax in Polish law, therefore it's perfectly legal to drive Irish or UK car without valid motortax / roadtax.

I'd say it works similarly in most other EU states.
Probably only states that implemented above EU directive, are those listed in an annex at the bottom (those who charge motortax / roadtax).

debabyjesus · 07-03-2014 1:08am

angeliukas92 wrote: »

okey let me tell you that . how many irish people get away for not buying taxes ? driving without taxes , aww well only 70 euru fine , that okey ??? more the 50% . They don't ****ing know how to drive a car, they cause accidents ! more than 70% in ireland don't even use turn light . Or grannys at old age barely walk , drive at 20 where speed limit it 100 ? it's okey is it ? It okey for not showing what direction you are turning ? because if someone bumbs in his ass it's your fault because you didn't keep the distance ?

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/cheap-flights/dublin-to-vilnius

Have a nice flight!

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-03-2014 10:04am

s14driftking wrote: »

No offence but if your not happy about irish motorists or irish rules u do realise there is a boat or a plane back to where u think your country is so much better.

Yeah, that's the attitude!
Maybe the Irish would do well to see how things are done in proper countries, you should listen to us filthy foreigners, you could learn a thing or two from us.
English being one of them...

yop · 07-03-2014 10:11am

angeliukas92 wrote: »

okey let me tell you that . how many irish people get away for not buying taxes ? driving without taxes , aww well only 70 euru fine , that okey ??? more the 50% . They don't ****ing know how to drive a car, they cause accidents ! more than 70% in ireland don't even use turn light . Or grannys at old age barely walk , drive at 20 where speed limit it 100 ? it's okey is it ? It okey for not showing what direction you are turning ? because if someone bumbs in his ass it's your fault because you didn't keep the distance ?

Great rant, totally detracting from the fact your dad has a can in the country for longer than he should without registering it.
He was driving without tax and insurance and NCT, breaking the law.
If he crashed into someone, he wasn't covered to pay for the damage, breaking the law.
He broke the law, thats the same in every language.

jimgoose · 07-03-2014 10:12am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yeah, that's the attitude!
Maybe the Irish would do well to see how things are done in proper countries, you should listen to us filthy foreigners, you could learn a thing or two from us.
English being one of them...

Ah, c'mon Dr. Fuzz - don't be a sour Kraut!

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-03-2014 10:16am

jimgoose wrote: »

Ah, c'mon Dr. Fuzz - don't be a sour Kraut!

Sorry, but "Why don't you fcuk off back to where you came from" is a bit of a triggerpoint with me. I tend to react extremely poorly to it.

jimgoose · 07-03-2014 10:17am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Sorry, but "Why don't you fcuk off back to where you came from" is a bit of a triggerpoint with me. I tend to react extremely poorly to it.

Yes, I know - I wouldn't blame you. :pac::pac::pac:

tin79 · 07-03-2014 10:20am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I tend to react extremely poorly to it.

I`ll say! Don't lower yourself though by referring to "Irish" and "proper countries". It just makes you look like you fall into the same trap of mass generalization.

Marty McFly · 07-03-2014 10:24am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Sorry, but "Why don't you fcuk off back to where you came from" is a bit of a triggerpoint with me. I tend to react extremely poorly to it.

Sorry but its the exact same way a lot of Irish will react to someone making broad criticisms of the Irish nation and its people it works both ways.

Me I'm not bigoted my reaction is the same whether a person be Irish or of a foreign nationallity if you don't like it you know were the airport is

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jimgoose · 07-03-2014 10:26am

Marty McFly wrote: »

...if you don't like it you know were the airport is .

Mmm. That's pretty much what we say to every second generation of home-grown youngsters.

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-03-2014 10:32am

jimgoose wrote: »

Mmm. That's pretty much what we say to every second generation of home-grown youngsters.

Yep, all over the world Irish people are seen as hard working, dependable, organised, intelligent and good fun.
Maybe we should do this the other way round, instead of the ruling elite forcing millions of Irish to emigrate, why don't we round up the useless shower that is running this country and ship them off to Mars on a one way trip.
The problem with this country is not the Irish in general, but the inbred, lazy, stupid, fat, complacent, money grabbing, corrupt, selfish morons who run it and that can't be fired.
Problem is that the Irish population don't accept criticism but simply reply with "Fcuk off back home".
The Irish way. Deliberately doing it wrong and being proud of it.

CiniO · 07-03-2014 1:39pm

yop wrote: »

Great rant, totally detracting from the fact your dad has a can in the country for longer than he should without registering it.
He was driving without tax and insurance and NCT, breaking the law.
If he crashed into someone, he wasn't covered to pay for the damage, breaking the law.
He broke the law, thats the same in every language.

OP said the car was insured and tested in country of registration.
Then if he crashed into someone, he would be covered.

CiniO · 07-03-2014 1:49pm

In relation to saying OP where the airport is I don't like it either.

See as many posters know, I'm from Poland, but I live here in Mayo for nearly 10 years now.
I love this place. I find it really good place to live (maybe except weather).
People are nice and gentle. Life is pretty much stress-free not like live in big city on the Continent.
I was born in deep communism in eastern Poland. My parents at my age, had no opportunity to move and live in such a nice place as west of Ireland. At least not without escaping from their home without possibility to come back.
I'm happy though I can live here, and be free to travel nearly anywhere, including my home.

As I said - it's a really nice place to live, with little exception - motoring.
I'm a motor-head, and i love cars and nearly everything connected with them.
Unfortunately, while virtually everything else in Ireland works quite well, when it comes to motoring it's really bad.
Motoring laws are stupid. Taxes are high. Drivers are not great.
In general, motoring is a domain of life here, that is far from being great.
That's probably the reason I complain a lot here on this forum, and try to show better way to do things, as even in Poland things about motoring are being done better.

But I don't like hearing what I hear here fairly often - that I'm anti-Irish brigade and what am I actually doing here if I don't like it. That's sad.

Nonoperational · 07-03-2014 2:24pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yeah, that's the attitude!
Maybe the Irish would do well to see how things are done in proper countries, you should listen to us filthy foreigners, you could learn a thing or two from us.
English being one of them...

That's a bit uncalled for.

Marty McFly · 07-03-2014 9:16pm

CiniO wrote: »

In relation to saying OP where the airport is I don't like it either.

See as many posters know, I'm from Poland, but I live here in Mayo for nearly 10 years now.
I love this place. I find it really good place to live (maybe except weather).
People are nice and gentle. Life is pretty much stress-free not like live in big city on the Continent.
I was born in deep communism in eastern Poland. My parents at my age, had no opportunity to move and live in such a nice place as west of Ireland. At least not without escaping from their home without possibility to come back.
I'm happy though I can live here, and be free to travel nearly anywhere, including my home.

As I said - it's a really nice place to live, with little exception - motoring.
I'm a motor-head, and i love cars and nearly everything connected with them.
Unfortunately, while virtually everything else in Ireland works quite well, when it comes to motoring it's really bad.
Motoring laws are stupid. Taxes are high. Drivers are not great.
In general, motoring is a domain of life here, that is far from being great.
That's probably the reason I complain a lot here on this forum, and try to show better way to do things, as even in Poland things about motoring are being done better.

But I don't like hearing what I hear here fairly often - that I'm anti-Irish brigade and what am I actually doing here if I don't like it. That's sad.

Not having a go here I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm not to sure about that part, was just over in Poland some the driving I seen was mental, a lot of the roads are in a bad state. In fact had a fella drive us around for most the weekend who said everything in Krakow was great apart from the driving and the roads even though they did improve a lot in the build up to the euros

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CiniO · 07-03-2014 10:09pm

Marty McFly wrote: »

Not having a go here I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm not to sure about that part, was just over in Poland some the driving I seen was mental, a lot of the roads are in a bad state. In fact had a fella drive us around for most the weekend who said everything in Krakow was great apart from the driving and the roads even though they did improve a lot in the build up to the euros .

Indeed roads in Krakow are sh1te - I was there in January and was sorry for my car's suspension and tyres.
Driving there is probably not too pleasurable (as in most big cities around the world). And I know lot's of people drive like maniacs. I lived in Krakow for few years, and never liked driving there.

But as an example - place where I'm from orignally. City size of Galway.
I was there for the whole month this January, and I barely seen anyone breaking any rules of the road. Most people drive 100% correctly. Something which is virtually impossible to see in Mayo.
On 30 minute drive in Mayo, you always see at least few drivers not indicating, crossing the white lines, incorrectly parking, not obey traffic lights, right of way rules, etc, etc. etc...
I'm always amazed when I go back home to my place in Poland how all those people car drive correctly as I'm used now to be surrounded by unpredictable drivers in Mayo.

View · 08-03-2014 12:49am

CiniO wrote: »

What you are saying here, is not true.
In Poland there is no requirement to register a car on obtaining residence.
Even further - even if there is requirement to do it within 12 months, it's not enforced, and there are no consequences for not doing so.
What is enforced though, that car has valid insurance and test.

I refer you to point 2 (vehicle registration) below - information which appears to have been provided by TUW a Polish insurance company. Link :
http://www.euresa.org/index.php?id=417&L=1#c1338

I can't comment on how good an insurance company they are or on the validity of their advice but as I said previously, do not make assumptions - check with the relevant ministry, customs etc

Remember, the police may be happy to ignore a car if there is no accident or law breaking. Once an incident occurs - particularly if you are in the wrong - all those fine details can and probably will be checked by the police and/or your insurance company and at that point it may turn out to be a real false economy to have skipped doing that irritating paperwork needed to "localise" the car.

CiniO · 08-03-2014 1:04am

View wrote: »

I refer you to point 2 (vehicle registration) below - information which appears to have been provided by TUW a Polish insurance company. Link :
http://www.euresa.org/index.php?id=417&L=1#c1338

I can't comment on how good an insurance company they are or on the validity of their advice but as I said previously, do not make assumptions - check with the relevant ministry, customs etc

That's very interesting, but half of information in this leaflet is simply not true.

Remember, the police may be happy to ignore a car if there is no accident or law breaking. Once an incident occurs - particularly if you are in the wrong - all those fine details can and probably will be checked by the police and/or your insurance company and at that point it may turn out to be a real false economy to have skipped doing that irritating paperwork needed to "localise" the car.

You are probably not aware of one crucial thing here.
In Poland it's not possible to register RHD car.
Obviously it is against EU law, and there is a case ongoing in EU court of justice against Poland. However this case is delayed, and delayed, and it takes years.

Problem was pretty much non-existant until 2004, when Poland joined EU and lots of Polish people moved to UK and Ireland, and soon after some of them decided to come back - with their RHD car.
Then they found it impossible to register it.

In most cases people moving to Poland from rest of EU with their car are not delaying registration. It's mostly because it's worth it. Insurance is cheap in Poland, and there is no road tax. Annual roadworthiness tests are not too strict. No one in the right mind would keep German or French registered car in Poland for longer, because even cost of insurance would make it nonsense.

So only exception are UK and Irish cars, as it's literally impossible to have them registered in Poland.
Anyone bringing that kind of car to Poland, can drive it on UK or Irish plates, provided it has valid test (MOT or NCT) and insurance.
This was confirmed many times by courts, lawyers, and even ministry of transport. There is no time limit to keep such a car on foreign plates, as long as it's insured and tested in country of origin.

pablo128 · 08-03-2014 1:15am

So the OPs father comes over in a nice big 3.0 litre motor. Then he finds out how much it costs to tax it in Ireland and almost has a heart attack. Then he discovers that this 19 year old car, in just 11 years time will be pennies to tax as it would be 30 years old by then. Hmmm..... he thinks....

Look buddy, you gave it your best shot, and it didn't work out.
Hard luck.

bmstuff · 08-03-2014 12:48pm

Not going to comment on this but when moving residence to ireland with you fireign car, you have 6 months now to register if I am not mistaken. Used to be one year.

Greyfoot · 08-03-2014 1:43pm

Back many yrs ago when collected enough money for a better car I shopped home and used an EU hun reg Calibra Turbo for just over a year in Irl. Got tickets, clamps cant complain, paid my dues. The car was top notch mechanical condition all relevant papers equivalent to nct and full EU insurance with green card.

I swapped her an Irish reg C20LET also and from then on for years I started contributing properly to the Irish state/fatcat pockets. (you would be naive to think that its YOUR money, right?)

Guy:Incognito · 08-03-2014 1:56pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Yeah, that's the attitude!
Maybe the Irish would do well to see how things are done in proper countries, you should listen to us filthy foreigners, you could learn a thing or two from us.
English being one of them...

If everyone did things properly and obeyed the laws in Lithuania would it not stand to reason that they'd do the same if they travelled abroad ? Cinio has described plenty of lax attitudes to things in Poland too....

Guy:Incognito · 08-03-2014 1:59pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Sorry, but "Why don't you fcuk off back to where you came from" is a bit of a triggerpoint with me. I tend to react extremely poorly to it.

While it doesn't have to be said in the way it was, surely if someone has such a problem with so much of life in Ireland then they should consider going home or some other equally attractive utopia ?
I say that as a child of an immigrant .

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