Fraduland Clamper Galway "Beware"

thisNthat · 18-04-2013 4:15pm #1

Hi Everyone,

I feel I need to make people aware of a fraudulent Clamper going around Galway City,
Today I got clamped (My own fault, I parked on private property and except I was in the wrong 100%).

When I came back to the car the clamper was just finished clamping the car,
I asked him how much it was and he said €120, I said I don't have €120, he asked me how much I had, I looked in my wallet and I had €60 cash, he said I can let you go for €60 but I can't give you a receipt. I asked him; so you can do that? He said yes because he hadn't put it on the system yet.

I realised straight away a handy €60 for this Fu**er and no-one else knows, I though ya know what - F-you.
I'll pay the €120 (I'd rather pay the full €120 than give this fu**er €60 in the pocket).

So he went over to his van and put it in the system and handed me my ticket, he then got out again took pictures of the clamp and it on my car.

I walked into town to get the money and was back at the car in 20mins or so, I called the number on the ticket and he came back about an hour later and I paid him the €120 and got the receipt but I took pictures of him when he came back to remove the clamp so people can be aware of this clamper as he is out to line his own pockets in any way he can and the thing is, its just his word against mine so he'll deny all and keep getting his pockets lined from people who don't want to pay the full €120,

I feel it only right to make people aware of the kind of corruption and fraud that is going on with this clamper in Galway city. If he tried it with me then how many others has he tried it with.

I have no issue with the actual clamping as I was 100% in the wrong but I do take issue with this guy exploiting people with a cash and no receipt option which is complete and utter fraud and no doubt people have availed of this with whatever cash they had in their pockets but I'm dammed if I'm lining this assh**es pocket.

He's polish and about 6 foot tall, thin build, Please see pic's below and make people aware of this guy,

This has to stop!!

Images removed to protect boards, not the clamper, biko

Robbo · 18-04-2013 4:18pm

Is Fraduland a province of Poland?

biko · 18-04-2013 4:29pm

OP, I removed the images just in case. Your written description will suffice and make people aware that this goes on.
I suggest you approache the APCOA company and make them aware of that this goes on.

I am also bouncing this over to Motors where clamping discussions are usually held. Leaving a redirect in Galway city.

bidiots · 18-04-2013 4:37pm

thisNthat wrote: »

Hi Everyone,

I feel I need to make people aware of a fraudulent Clamper going around Galway City,
Today I got clamped (My own fault, I parked on private property and except I was in the wrong 100%).

When I came back to the car the clamper was just finished clamping the car,
I asked him how much it was and he said €120, I said I don't have €120, he asked me how much I had, I looked in my wallet and I had €60 cash, he said I can let you go for €60 but I can't give you a receipt. I asked him; so you can do that? He said yes because he hadn't put it on the system yet.

I realised straight away a handy €60 for this Fu**er and no-one else knows, I though ya know what - F-you.
I'll pay the €120 (I'd rather pay the full €120 than give this fu**er €60 in the pocket).

So he went over to his van and put it in the system and handed me my ticket, he then got out again took pictures of the clamp and it on my car.

I walked into town to get the money and was back at the car in 20mins or so, I called the number on the ticket and he came back about an hour later and I paid him the €120 and got the receipt but I took pictures of him when he came back to remove the clamp so people can be aware of this clamper as he is out to line his own pockets in any way he can and the thing is, its just his word against mine so he'll deny all and keep getting his pockets lined from people who don't want to pay the full €120,

I feel it only right to make people aware of the kind of corruption and fraud that is going on with this clamper in Galway city. If he tried it with me then how many others has he tried it with.

I have no issue with the actual clamping as I was 100% in the wrong but I do take issue with this guy exploiting people with a cash and no receipt option which is complete and utter fraud and no doubt people have availed of this with whatever cash they had in their pockets but I'm dammed if I'm lining this assh**es pocket.

He's polish and about 6 foot tall, thin build, Please see pic's below and make people aware of this guy,

This has to stop!!

Images removed to protect boards, not the clamper, biko

I'll be honest, I'm a bit confused by this. Ok, he was trying to pull a fast one on his employers by taking 60quid without registering it.

But how on earth you can defend lining the pockets of the company for 120 instead of the clamper for 60 is beyond me

CiniO · 18-04-2013 4:40pm

thisNthat wrote: »

He's polish and about 6 foot tall, thin build,

Is the one in bold part of the visual description?

Kristopherus · 18-04-2013 4:44pm

CiniO wrote: »

Is the one in bold part of the visual description?

Getting touchy,eh?:D

recyclebin · 18-04-2013 4:44pm

How do you know he was Polish?

thisNthat · 18-04-2013 4:45pm

bidiots wrote: »

I'll be honest, I'm a bit confused by this. Ok, he was trying to pull a fast one on his employers by taking 60quid without registering it.

But how on earth you can defend lining the pockets of the company for 120 instead of the clamper for 60 is beyond me

I was in the wrong, I except that 100%. I hated paying anything anyway but its a point of principle. The more he keeps getting away with it the more he'll keep doing it. I may be €60 more down than I could have been, but at least that fu**er isn't €60 more up. Its whichever way you want to look at it.

bidiots · 18-04-2013 4:46pm

thisNthat wrote: »

I was in the wrong, I except that 100%. I hated paying anything anyway but its a point of principle. The more he keeps getting away with it the more he'll keep doing it. I may be €60 more down than I could have been, but at least that fu**er isn't €60 more up. Its whichever way you want to look at it.

Well that's just confused me more so:pac:

I get your 'point of principle' and all that but surely the point of releasing the clamp for as little as possible would be a better point of principle, regardless where the money goes?

mikom · 18-04-2013 4:47pm

recyclebin wrote: »

How do you know he was Polish?

Mouth full of swan feathers.........

snubbleste · 18-04-2013 4:48pm

Trying to gain €60 without declaring it to Revenue.

Viper_JB · 18-04-2013 4:48pm

thisNthat wrote: »

I was in the wrong, I except that 100%. I hated paying anything anyway but its a point of principle. The more he keeps getting away with it the more he'll keep doing it. I may be €60 more down than I could have been, but at least that fu**er isn't €60 more up. Its whichever way you want to look at it.

Ya but now the company is €120 up :S and you're 120 down...unless it was a council clamp I don't really see what difference it makes to you who the money was going...either a greedy clamper or a greedy clamping company. What price do you think would have been fair for him to ask of you "without a receipt"?

CiniO · 18-04-2013 4:50pm

thisNthat wrote: »

I was in the wrong, I except that 100%. I hated paying anything anyway but its a point of principle. The more he keeps getting away with it the more he'll keep doing it. I may be €60 more down than I could have been, but at least that fu**er isn't €60 more up. Its whichever way you want to look at it.

Generally what he's doing, is stealing from his employer.

What you should have done, was to pay him 60, take pictures of your car and the clamp on it, and then send it to his employer.

That way you would have 60 quid more in your pocket, and surely clamper's employer would know what to do.

biko · 18-04-2013 4:52pm

I'm not surprised he did it. Wherever there is possibility of pulling a fast one and get some free dosh, some fecker will do it - Polish/Irish/British/blah.

thisNthat · 18-04-2013 4:52pm

CiniO wrote: »

Generally what he's doing, is stealing from his employer.

What you should have done, was to pay him 60, take pictures of your car and the clamp on it, and then send it to his employer.

That way you would have 60 quid more in your pocket, and surely clamper's employer would know what to do.

hindsight is a great thing

bidiots · 18-04-2013 4:56pm

thisNthat wrote: »

hindsight is a great thing

antodeco · 18-04-2013 5:25pm

Sure you couldve rented a power saw for less

coylemj · 18-04-2013 5:37pm

The moral high ground is a lonely place, especially if you have to pay an extra €60 to get there.

AltAccount · 18-04-2013 10:06pm

This thread is pure bloody mental :rolleyes:

CiniO · 18-04-2013 10:16pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

Getting touchy,eh?:D

No. Just genuinely interested how did OP find out that clamper was Polish, as I doubt they exchanged courtesy chatchat like "how's things dude, where U from?":D

Supergurrier · 18-04-2013 10:25pm

Where were you clamped ? Dyke road ?

Also as said above you should have taken pics of clamp on car paid the 60 quid and gotten him in the doghouse with his employer by informing them he was stealing their money.

Slutmonkey57b · 18-04-2013 10:30pm

The clamper was doing you a favour, and this is how you repay him?

Poor guy. He wasn't ripping you off, and he wasn't making up a false clamping claim to scam you.

fasttalkerchat · 18-04-2013 10:39pm

Why not just blackmail him that he's out of a job unless its taken straight off? You threw away €120 OP.

anoda_username · 18-04-2013 11:38pm

I got clamped while parked at a friends house, near salthill she had only moved in and didn't know there were parking permits as she hadn't been informed. When I rang the clamper he said if he knew that, he wouldn't have clamped or if we had seen him and stopped when he was in the middle of putting it on, he would have removed it free of charge it wouldn't have been logged on the system. He was very plesant surprisingly. Unfortunately it was on and I had to pay 120. My friend made a complaint to letting agent but didn't get reimbursed.

http://galwayindependent.com/20130413/news/clampdown-on-clampers-welcomed-S16180.html I see some companies are charging 150!! Time to cap it and bring in more regulation

CiniO · 18-04-2013 11:47pm

I luckily don't live in (or any close) to the area where clamping goes on.

But I must say I find it mad that clamp release fee is 120 or 150, while for most traffic offences (speeding, red lights, etc) you only pay 80.

Parking fines should be relatively small.

I've been clamped only once in my life, and this was actually in Galway in the shopping centre (the one with Cinema, McDonalds, Smyths, Currys, Woodies, etc).
All what I did was to go to the other side of the street to get something in Argos.
Madness.
It was one of the first times I was ever in Galway.
I was totally shocked when I saw clamp on my car. I called the number and was told that there are signs with informations stating (if you leave shopping estate, you will be clamped). I really had to have a proper walk through the parking to find one. This was about 6 years ago.
How was I supposed to even think about it, that I can not walk outside the shopping centre as otherwise I'll get clamped. I've never seen such thing in my life before that.

Since then I'm trying not to go into this shopping centre at all, so all they achieved was to loose a customer.

mickdw · 18-04-2013 11:47pm

So the op gave the 120 to a dodgy clamper instead of 60 to a dodgy clamper. Its not as if by going through the official procedure that the money is going to sick children or similar. You had a choice of lining the pockets of little scum or King scum and you chose to go with King scum at double the cost. Silly move.

Marcin_diy · 19-04-2013 5:00am

CiniO wrote: »

Generally what he's doing, is stealing from his employer.

What you should have done, was to pay him 60, take pictures of your car and the clamp on it, and then send it to his employer.

That way you would have 60 quid more in your pocket, and surely clamper's employer would know what to do.

What op should do is to take a picture of clamp, pay 60 to the guy, have the clamp removed and finally he should say this to the clamper:

dear clamper - lets make a deal - you will pay me 120 euro right now, or I will report you to your employer

Both part would be happy - OP earned 60 euro, clamper didn't loose his job.

( anyway that's what I would do)

biko · 19-04-2013 7:31am

The reason the clamper has been/is getting away with it until this point is because people only see the money aspect. And I see it in this thread too.
They'd rather give 60 euro to a dodgy clamper than bringing it further like OP.

As long as Irish people are willing to pay with no receipt this practise will continue.
This clamper may get fired but there's others willing to take his place.

I can't say I wouldn't pay the dodgy dealer the 60 but fair play OP for doing the right thing, not many would, probably including me.

Corkbah · 19-04-2013 7:44am

biko wrote: »

The reason the clamper has been/is getting away with it until this point is because people only see the money aspect. And I see it in this thread too.
They'd rather give 60 euro to a dodgy clamper than bringing it further like OP.

As long as Irish people are willing to pay with no receipt this practise will continue.
This clamper may get fired but there's others willing to take his place.

I can't say I wouldn't pay the dodgy dealer the 60 but fair play OP for doing the right thing, not many would, probably including me.

I do ...I do

but I also think that the OP should appeal the clamp to the clamping company and state his/her story of events - I think he/she would be successful, especially as the clamp was literally just on and no ticket was issued when OP was in contact with the clamper.

Dont all clamping companies have to give 10-15mins of grace ? or is it just the non-private companies ?

phelixoflaherty · 19-04-2013 7:59am

Is Frauduland near Viagrastan?

Seweryn · 19-04-2013 8:41am

mikom wrote: »

Mouth full of swan feathers.........

Oh yeah, that was really funny :rolleyes:.

dutopia · 19-04-2013 9:31am

thisNthat wrote: »

I was in the wrong, I except that 100%.

It's 'accept', not 'except'.

CiniO · 19-04-2013 10:33am

biko wrote: »

The reason the clamper has been/is getting away with it until this point is because people only see the money aspect. And I see it in this thread too.
They'd rather give 60 euro to a dodgy clamper than bringing it further like OP.

As long as Irish people are willing to pay with no receipt this practise will continue.
This clamper may get fired but there's others willing to take his place.

I can't say I wouldn't pay the dodgy dealer the 60 but fair play OP for doing the right thing, not many would, probably including me.

The problem is, that OP has absolutely no proof that anything like he described happened. So I strongly doubt clamper will get fired.

thisNthat · 19-04-2013 10:37am

phelixoflaherty wrote: »

Is Frauduland near Viagrastan?

No just turn right outside Ballyhaunis and its on the left

dutopia wrote: »

It's 'accept', not 'except'.

Ya I don't think I'd get a distinction for spelling overall, Just look at the heading, Can't change it now so my tough

bidiots · 19-04-2013 10:40am

CiniO wrote: »

The problem is, that OP has absolutely no proof that anything like he described happened. So I strongly doubt clamper will get fired.

Yeah, let's get rid of a clamper that can be swayed....this thread is ridiculous

Doom · 19-04-2013 10:41am

What's with all the spell checking going on....next we'll be getting homework!

recyclebin · 19-04-2013 10:50am

If i was in the situation I would have said i've only €40 and see what he would have done it for that. If he said no then i would come back with an angle grinder. These guys are a private company working on private land so I don't know why you felt a need to make a stand against them. If it was public land and I was causing an obstruction then I'd pay up.

Galway2013 · 19-04-2013 1:08pm

i would of thanked him for the discount

Kenny Logins · 19-04-2013 1:13pm

Galway2013 wrote: »

i would of thanked him for the discount

Would you thank him for clamping your car too?

Supergurrier · 19-04-2013 1:20pm

Why make a stand against them, the car was illegally parked.

ironclaw · 19-04-2013 1:24pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Would you thank him for clamping your car too?

I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.

CiniO · 19-04-2013 1:46pm

ironclaw wrote: »

I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.

But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.

Kenny Logins · 19-04-2013 2:29pm

ironclaw wrote: »

I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.

Yeah I get that, but I think the clamper stuffing cash into his own pocket, profiting on somebody else's misery, is worse than the company doing so, and I wouldn't give him a cent.

ironclaw · 19-04-2013 2:30pm

CiniO wrote: »

But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.

I forgot about investment opportunity. Fair point :pac:

€120 is extortion though when you think about it. I'd say a decent clamper does over 4 cars an hour. Minting money in a grey area of the law.

thisNthat · 19-04-2013 2:33pm

CiniO wrote: »

But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.

People seem to think there are no repercussions for cutting a clamp off a car, That you can just cut it off, drive away and job done.
Up to €3000 fine etc etc, he also had photos of it on my car so either way I was screwed.
As I said before its a point of Principle (Obviously our principles are different)

What I'm gathering from all these posts is to embrace corruption and accept it if it benefits you, I personally disagree and seem to be in the minority on this.

Let me ask you this:
Is it ok to embrace corruption from politicians on the take?
Whats the difference than with this fu**er of a clamper?
Maybe if it benefits us personally it's ok?
Is there different levels of corruption and fraud we should accept?

CiniO · 19-04-2013 2:41pm

thisNthat wrote: »

People seem to think there are no repercussions for cutting a clamp off a car, That you can just cut it off, drive away and job done.
Up to €3000 fine etc etc, he also had photos of it on my car so either way I was screwed.

€3000 fine issued by who?
You said it was private property.

As I said before its a point of Principle (Obviously our principles are different)

What I'm gathering from all these posts is to embrace corruption and accept it if it benefits you, I personally disagree and seem to be in the minority on this.

Let me ask you this:
Is it ok to embrace corruption from politicians on the take?
Whats the difference than with this fu**er of a clamper?
Maybe if it benefits us personally it's ok?
Is there different levels of corruption and fraud we should accept?

The difference is that politicians decide about the country we live in, and therefore is they commit corruption, it's all of us who loose on it.

Corruption by some private company employee, is a problem of this company, and no one else.

thisNthat · 19-04-2013 2:51pm

CiniO wrote: »

€3000 fine issued by who?
You said it was private property.

Issued by APCOA,

Quote:
Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

thisNthat · 19-04-2013 2:53pm

CiniO wrote: »

The difference is that politicians decide about the country we live in, and therefore is they commit corruption, it's all of us who loose on it.

Corruption by some private company employee, is a problem of this company, and no one else.

I disagree, Corruption is Corruption and just cause it doesn't affect you personally doesn't make it ok.

djimi · 19-04-2013 2:59pm

thisNthat wrote: »

Issued by APCOA,

Quote:
Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

APCOA are not going to press criminal charges against you and they most certainly would not allow it to go all the way to court if they did.

gordongekko · 19-04-2013 3:03pm

thisNthat wrote: »

Issued by APCOA,

Quote:
Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

well you can always send them a bill for €5000 for interference with your property. Legally I don't believe they have a leg to stand on. But im not a lawyer. I have to say well done for not paying the crook. Make sure you ring apcoa and tell them what happened.

Galway2013 · 19-04-2013 9:37pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Would you thank him for clamping your car too?

i wouldnt of parked somewhere to get clamped in the first place but if i was that stupid id be happy for the discount

Fraduland Clamper Galway "Beware"

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