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Fraduland Clamper Galway "Beware"

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    #32
    dutopia
    Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭dutopia


    thisNthat wrote: »
    I was in the wrong, I except that 100%.

    It's 'accept', not 'except'.


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    #33
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    biko wrote: »
    The reason the clamper has been/is getting away with it until this point is because people only see the money aspect. And I see it in this thread too.
    They'd rather give 60 euro to a dodgy clamper than bringing it further like OP.

    As long as Irish people are willing to pay with no receipt this practise will continue.
    This clamper may get fired but there's others willing to take his place.

    I can't say I wouldn't pay the dodgy dealer the 60 but fair play OP for doing the right thing, not many would, probably including me.

    The problem is, that OP has absolutely no proof that anything like he described happened. So I strongly doubt clamper will get fired.


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    #34
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    phelixoflaherty wrote: »
    Is Frauduland near Viagrastan?
    No just turn right outside Ballyhaunis and its on the left :)
    dutopia wrote: »
    It's 'accept', not 'except'.
    Ya I don't think I'd get a distinction for spelling overall, Just look at the heading, Can't change it now so my tough ;)


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    #35
    bidiots
    Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭bidiots


    CiniO wrote: »
    The problem is, that OP has absolutely no proof that anything like he described happened. So I strongly doubt clamper will get fired.

    Yeah, let's get rid of a clamper that can be swayed....this thread is ridiculous


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    #36
    Doom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    What's with all the spell checking going on....next we'll be getting homework!


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    #37
    recyclebin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    If i was in the situation I would have said i've only €40 and see what he would have done it for that. If he said no then i would come back with an angle grinder. These guys are a private company working on private land so I don't know why you felt a need to make a stand against them. If it was public land and I was causing an obstruction then I'd pay up.


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    #38
    Galway2013
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Galway2013


    i would of thanked him for the discount


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    #39
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    Galway2013 wrote: »
    i would of thanked him for the discount

    Would you thank him for clamping your car too?


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    #40
    Supergurrier
    Registered Users Posts: 7,289 ✭✭✭Supergurrier


    Why make a stand against them, the car was illegally parked.


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    #41
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Kenny Logins wrote: »
    Would you thank him for clamping your car too?

    I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

    Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

    Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.


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    #42
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    ironclaw wrote: »
    I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

    Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

    Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.

    But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
    So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
    Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.


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    #43
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    ironclaw wrote: »
    I don't think the clamping is the issue. The OP accepted they were clamped and in the wrong. Very few people, at least in my experience, get clamped 'in the wrong' or by mistake. So that isn't the issue.

    Its €60 to get it taken off or €120 once on the system. For me it would depend if I had to buy a cutting tool and how much that would cost. If you pay the clamper €60 or buy a tool for €50, its just making a statement against the system and are equal in my eyes.

    Depends where you want to get your satisfaction because each would be equally damaging to the clamper business. Cost of Replacing the Clamp Vs Earnings lost by clamper removing clamp.

    Yeah I get that, but I think the clamper stuffing cash into his own pocket, profiting on somebody else's misery, is worse than the company doing so, and I wouldn't give him a cent.


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    #44
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    CiniO wrote: »
    But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
    So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
    Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.

    I forgot about investment opportunity. Fair point :pac:

    €120 is extortion though when you think about it. I'd say a decent clamper does over 4 cars an hour. Minting money in a grey area of the law.


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    #45
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    CiniO wrote: »
    But once you buy a tool, you can keep it in the boot and use it on daily basis.
    So it's just one time investment that's going to pay off well.
    Definitely cheaper than paying clamper 60.

    People seem to think there are no repercussions for cutting a clamp off a car, That you can just cut it off, drive away and job done.
    Up to €3000 fine etc etc, he also had photos of it on my car so either way I was screwed.
    As I said before its a point of Principle (Obviously our principles are different)

    What I'm gathering from all these posts is to embrace corruption and accept it if it benefits you, I personally disagree and seem to be in the minority on this.

    Let me ask you this:
    Is it ok to embrace corruption from politicians on the take?
    Whats the difference than with this fu**er of a clamper?
    Maybe if it benefits us personally it's ok?
    Is there different levels of corruption and fraud we should accept?


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    #46
    CiniO
    Registered Users Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    thisNthat wrote: »
    People seem to think there are no repercussions for cutting a clamp off a car, That you can just cut it off, drive away and job done.
    Up to €3000 fine etc etc, he also had photos of it on my car so either way I was screwed.

    €3000 fine issued by who?
    You said it was private property.
    As I said before its a point of Principle (Obviously our principles are different)

    What I'm gathering from all these posts is to embrace corruption and accept it if it benefits you, I personally disagree and seem to be in the minority on this.

    Let me ask you this:
    Is it ok to embrace corruption from politicians on the take?
    Whats the difference than with this fu**er of a clamper?
    Maybe if it benefits us personally it's ok?
    Is there different levels of corruption and fraud we should accept?

    The difference is that politicians decide about the country we live in, and therefore is they commit corruption, it's all of us who loose on it.

    Corruption by some private company employee, is a problem of this company, and no one else.


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    #47
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    CiniO wrote: »
    €3000 fine issued by who?
    You said it was private property.

    Issued by APCOA,

    Quote:
    Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

    All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.


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    #48
    thisNthat
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭thisNthat


    CiniO wrote: »
    The difference is that politicians decide about the country we live in, and therefore is they commit corruption, it's all of us who loose on it.

    Corruption by some private company employee, is a problem of this company, and no one else.

    I disagree, Corruption is Corruption and just cause it doesn't affect you personally doesn't make it ok.


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    #49
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,238 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    thisNthat wrote: »
    Issued by APCOA,

    Quote:
    Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

    All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

    APCOA are not going to press criminal charges against you and they most certainly would not allow it to go all the way to court if they did.


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    #50
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    thisNthat wrote: »
    Issued by APCOA,

    Quote:
    Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

    All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

    well you can always send them a bill for €5000 for interference with your property. Legally I don't believe they have a leg to stand on. But im not a lawyer. I have to say well done for not paying the crook. Make sure you ring apcoa and tell them what happened.


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    #51
    Galway2013
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Galway2013


    Kenny Logins wrote: »
    Would you thank him for clamping your car too?


    i wouldnt of parked somewhere to get clamped in the first place but if i was that stupid id be happy for the discount


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    #52
    skyhighflyer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭skyhighflyer


    thisNthat wrote: »
    Issued by APCOA,

    Quote:
    Any interference or damage to this clamping device will render you liable for an additional charge of €3000 and/or possible criminal damage charges.

    All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

    That 'charge' is about as legally enforceable as me charging you €20 to read this post. Hence why they call it a 'charge' and not a fine. I'd love to see them go before a disctrict judge trying to enforce it.


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    #53
    skyhighflyer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭skyhighflyer


    Also, I'd much rather have given him the €60. The more rogue clampers, the quicker their employers go out of business :)

    In fact, I think I'd have given him the €60 and then called the guards and say he extorted €60 from me.


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    #54
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    skyhighflyer wrote: »
    Also, I'd much rather have given him the €60. The more rogue clampers, the quicker their employers go out of business :)

    In fact, I think I'd have given him the €60 and then called the guards and say he extorted €60 from me.

    Smartphone in pocket, set to record audio....

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #55
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Smartphone in pocket, set to record audio....

    Not worth the bits and bytes its written in unfortunately.


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    #56
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Not worth the bits and bytes its written in unfortunately.


    Its still worth more than hearsay, and a clamper/clamp co would never challenge it. Too much bad PR.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #57
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I'd have given the guy the 60 squid.

    You'd have saved €60, got your car back instantly and cheated the scummy clamping company out of €120. Win all around.


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    #58
    dougie-lampkin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭dougie-lampkin


    thisNthat wrote: »
    All those damaging, stealing or removing immobilization devices will be prosecuted for theft and criminal damages.

    There must be a fair backlog :pac:


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