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N25/N30 - New Ross Bypass [open to traffic]
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28-10-2007 8:39pm#1
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Deleted User wrote: »I've been caught in that a few times.
Mike, I don't know waterford that well (despite having lived in Wexford for all of 12 years or so) but can you swing a right on that roundabout, drive up the back of Enniscorthy and then link up with the Clonroche / New Ross Road?
You mean Enniscorthy no?
If so clicky
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Heard it.
Researchers didn't do a good job on this one IMO. Just churned out local objectors who couldn't present good reasons against the project, people unable to look at the wider picture.
There were the main objectors from the oral hearing, An Taisce (spouting anti oil consumption and global energy crisis theory) and some local farmer who started spewing out cost figures off the top of his head (at least PK took issue with him over it and wouldn't accept it
) saying we can't spend money in a recession and all that was needed to solve the traffic problem was to turn off the lights at the bridge 
.....not to mention the competition between engineers to build the longest bridge in Ireland!!! WTF????
All in all not a good piece of informative journalism, but at least PK saw that by the way he was getting slightly irratated.0 -
Heard it.
Researchers didn't do a good job on this one IMO. Just churned out local objectors who couldn't present good reasons against the project, people unable to look at the wider picture.
There were the main objectors from the oral hearing, An Taisce (spouting anti oil consumption and global energy crisis theory) and some local farmer who started spewing out cost figures off the top of his head (at least PK took issue with him over it and wouldn't accept it) saying we can't spend money in a recession and all that was needed to solve the traffic problem was to turn off the lights at the bridge .....not to mention the competition between engineers to build the longest bridge in Ireland!!! WTF????
All in all not a good piece of informative journalism, but at least PK saw that by the way he was getting slightly irratated.
...but it's the media mate - what else do you expect??? :rolleyes:
As a rule, the media in general isn't interested in actual current affairs, it's mostly about money spinning sensationalism! :mad:
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all that was needed to solve the traffic problem was to turn off the lights at the bridge
The traffic lights were turned off at the bottom of the Main street in Arklow when the N11 went that way, the traffic moved much better and tailbacks were reduced.
Similarly at the Church at the junction with the road to Shannonbridge in Ballinasloe, I've not been held up there since the traffic lights were turned off.
It's a free, (very) partial solution, that may improve things in the short term0 -
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Chris_533976 wrote: »Good news that they've put a date to it, looks like IF FUNDING CAN BE GOTTEN FROM THE BANKS that M17/18 will be starting in Late 2010, Newlands/M11 gap in 2011, and M11 Enniscorty and N25 New Ross in March 2011.
New Ross bypass wont be M25 though, they need to do more research
Possible delay for New Ross due to High Court Action
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http://www.newrossecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mheykfkfsn&cat=news
High Court action threatens bypass
A HIGH Court action by a party protesting about the planned New Ross Bypass may derail the much anticipated project indefinitely, Wexford County Manager Eddie Breen told Monday’s meeting of the local authority.
“The compulsory purchase order for New Ross has become entangled in a High Court challenge; we tried to get it transferred to the Commercial Court, but we couldn’t. It is worrying,” Mr. Breen said.
He said the National Roads’ Authority would need to know before Christmas when the case will be heard if funding is to be granted for the bypass. Mr. Breen said cases can be delayed for months in the High Court and if no date is fixed New Ross could lose out.
“The allocation will be determined for next year before Christmas and we could end up out of the mix. We are working very hard through our legal agents to grab a decision on this as soon as possible.”
Mr. Breen said there is a fast-track option in the Commercial Court, but not in the High Court. “If we knew the decision would be in January or February, we would be alright. We are very concerned that the budgets could be framed without any certainty as to New Ross bypass.”
A previous challenge against Galway Council over a bypass failed in the High Court. Mr. Breen said Wexford County Council would launch a vigorous challenge to any attempt to block the bypass’s construction.
Fine Gael’s Larry O’Brien said: “It is concerning. The Waterford bypass opened recently and the traffic is all arriving in New Ross.”
Enniscorthy Cllr. Paddy Kavanagh asked if there was a possibility of a delay in the Clough to Oylegate bypass.
Mr. Breen said the matter is with An Bord Pleanála at the moment, but he feels confident it will all go ahead in one project.0 -
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Possible delay for New Ross due to High Court Action
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http://www.newrossecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mheykfkfsn&cat=news
High Court action threatens bypass
A HIGH Court action by a party protesting about the planned New Ross Bypass may derail the much anticipated project indefinitely, Wexford County Manager Eddie Breen told Monday’s meeting of the local authority.
“The compulsory purchase order for New Ross has become entangled in a High Court challenge; we tried to get it transferred to the Commercial Court, but we couldn’t. It is worrying,” Mr. Breen said.
He said the National Roads’ Authority would need to know before Christmas when the case will be heard if funding is to be granted for the bypass. Mr. Breen said cases can be delayed for months in the High Court and if no date is fixed New Ross could lose out.
“The allocation will be determined for next year before Christmas and we could end up out of the mix. We are working very hard through our legal agents to grab a decision on this as soon as possible.”
Mr. Breen said there is a fast-track option in the Commercial Court, but not in the High Court. “If we knew the decision would be in January or February, we would be alright. We are very concerned that the budgets could be framed without any certainty as to New Ross bypass.”
A previous challenge against Galway Council over a bypass failed in the High Court. Mr. Breen said Wexford County Council would launch a vigorous challenge to any attempt to block the bypass’s construction.
Fine Gael’s Larry O’Brien said: “It is concerning. The Waterford bypass opened recently and the traffic is all arriving in New Ross.”
Enniscorthy Cllr. Paddy Kavanagh asked if there was a possibility of a delay in the Clough to Oylegate bypass.
Mr. Breen said the matter is with An Bord Pleanála at the moment, but he feels confident it will all go ahead in one project.
...why do people always have to kick up when there's a much needed improvement in our infrastructure...
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Yeah New Ross, Galway and the M3 are the ones that have caused trouble The people fighting against New Ross claim that 2+2 is way overspec for what is needed and that the massive bridge they are planning is overkill. I agree with them. But it should be built anyway. 0
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The New Ross / Enniscorthy element looks like it may be getting a step closer.........
http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=DEC136431
1 day after the budget the contract award notice for Technical Advisor is posted up, however the official date of the award is 3/11/09 so may not be of any significance that it only got posted on etenders yesterday.........anyways looks like the 'the eleven-twenty five' consortium may have a bit of cash coming their way €8,600,000 plus VAT
Thats a 'contract award notice', not a tender for something
It just tells you who won a previous competition. 0 -
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Chris_533976 wrote: »Thats a 'contract award notice', not a tender for something It just tells you who won a previous competition.
I think if you read my post above I actually state that its a ' contract award notice'...........you are being a wee bit condescending I think, :mad:0 -
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Hopefully this project will start moving soon.
Possibly not unless the Galway Bypass scheme legal spat comes back from Brussels before June when the New Ross CPOs expire. I would exercise the CPOs anyway and be done with it. I reckon the county council officials are too frightened to and that is the big problem.
Peter Sweetman is making a nuisance of himself again
http://www.newrossstandard.ie/news/fears-of-lengthy-delay-in-ross-bypass-project-2059308.htmlAn Bord Pleanala's approval of the Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) for the New Ross bypass is now the subject of a Judicial Review, initiated by objector Peter Sweetmen, and the NRA are unable to proceed with the project.
Fears are being voiced this week by Deputy Sean Connick that even if this Judicial Review is favourable to the An Bord Pleanála decision, it is still subject to appeal to the Supreme Court.
'We are in a really difficult situation. We are being held to ransom. There are questions to be answered – who is this guy?' said a frustrated Deputy Connick.
The Fianna Fail TD is now afraid that the CPO approval may expire before the legal review of the EIS approval is complete.
'The Compulsory Purchase Order approval for the New Ross bypass expires in June 2010 if not exercised before then. There is a real danger that the delay on the court's part in hearing and deciding on the Judicial Review will result in the CPO approval expiring before the legal review of the EIS approval is complete,' he said.0 -
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We should know in a fortnight
http://www.newrossecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mhojauidey&cat=newsIf the Judicial Review, which will take place in the High Court on February 23, finds in favour of An Bord Pleanála, the matter might not end there as that decision could be appealed to the Supreme Court.
Sweetman has quite a dismal track record in the High Court and so it could well be game on again in a fortnight 0 -
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Possibly not unless the Galway Bypass scheme legal spat comes back from Brussels before June when the New Ross CPOs expire. I would exercise the CPOs anyway and be done with it. I reckon the county council officials are too frightened to and that is the big problem.
Peter Sweetman is making a nuisance of himself again
http://www.newrossstandard.ie/news/fears-of-lengthy-delay-in-ross-bypass-project-2059308.html
I'm no fan of the current legal system in this country (or any other for that matter!). My estimation of our legal system is going the way of that relating to the church - irrelevant and out of touch with reality. It is ludicrous that a large road project (that could benefit so many people) is jeopardised by the concerns relating to one individual person. It seems such a familiar storey on many fronts in this country (not just roads etc.). Our law and legal industry needs to operate in the 21st century and focus on actual fairness rather than legal technicalities which serve only a few.
Another example relating to road construction: I remember hearing about the M4 Leixlip/Maynooth/Kilcock Bypass being held up by a fiddler who refused to move from his house - IMO, this is an act of pure selfishness and disregard for other people who were suffering from traffic congestion (motorists and residents along the old N4 – emergency services also). There were AFAIK no legal implications in the instance, but such cases which involve disruption to society in whatever way should be fast-tracked to a hearing by public jury (taking moral aspects into consideration) - if the defendant is found guilty of deliberate obstruction (even if it’s technically legal) for no reason other than unreasonable self interest, then heavy penalties should apply!
Each person in this country should be expected to behave in a manner which contributes to the proper functioning of the state. This means that a person should not be unfair to others (singularly or collectively), or tolerate unfairness imposed upon himself/herself (for reason of precedent).
Hope this isn’t too technical...
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Bump! I just created this dedicated New Ross Bypass thread by moving posts from various M11 and N25 threads.
This is coupled in a PPP bundle with the M11 Enniscorthy Bypass. From the NRA's second round PPP programme document (attached):The N25 New Ross Bypass scheme commences at Glenmore in County Kilkenny and crosses over the River Barrow via Extrados Bridge at Pink Point in County Kilkenny and Stokestown in County Wexford. It then continues in an easterly direction where the bypass intersects with the R733 in Camlin and continues in a north easterly direction to connect to the N25 at Ballymacar Bridge. From there the bypass route continues to the northeast finishing at the N30, at a point to the east of Corcoran’s Cross.
Scheme Features:- Three at grade roundabout junctions at Glenmore (N25), Ballymacarbridge (N25), Corcoran’s Cross (N30) and a compact grade separated junction at Camlin (R733).
- River Barrow crossing with a 36m clearance of the river channel. The crossing will be by way of a 3 tower Extrados bridge and the structure will extend for approximately 900 metres from Pink Point in Co. Kilkenny to Stokestown in Co. Wexford;
- 1 No. Railway Bridge – an overbridge of the disused New Ross/ Waterford railway line near Glenmore;
- 11 No. Road Bridges;
- 13 minor structures such as accommodation underpasses.
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