Am I a bad teacher??

MrJones1973 · 24-02-2014 7:57pm #1

I live in a constant state of anxiety as a teacher. Firstly I feel I dont prepare enough. I find it hard to keep on top of 33 class periods. I teach English and Religion. I generally know what Im doing for my 3 English classes but for Junior REligion I just seem to wing it a good bit. We dont do it as an exam subject.
Im not good at keeping records on stuff-ie what I have done.
I dont feel I do enough correcting. I roughly take copies home once a month for English. Well at sixth year sometimes twice.
I do use ICT and am good at searching for materials from other teaching sites but I am at sea when it comes to Learning objectives. I dont put them on the board.
My discipline is relatively good. I do help out in extra curricular ie I run a debating club during school and Im a class tutor.
Its just when I go to In service I always feel low-like Im surrounded by these eager beavers who seem on top of there game. Who go to conferences etc.

I only spend about 6 hours outside of school doing stuff but I have a toddler -is that some excuse? Viable?

Aspiring · 24-02-2014 8:02pm

As a student I can tell you I'd be happy to have you as a teacher

seriously for junior cert religion most classes are expected to be a 'doss'class or homework/study class especially at this stage of the year. Maybe for your sixth year English one assignment a week might be more suitable at this stage of the year, but most teachers I know of only take up work once or twice a month, but as I said one exam piece a week would be perfect for sixth years.

gugleguy · 24-02-2014 8:10pm

Many many moons ago 1990 an Honours Leaving Cert teacher took a serious dislike to me because I was shyte at English for honours lc. I concur now with this looking back. In his words students like me held back the class. I don'nt give a sh it I am not member of past pupils union etc. And have no contact with the rest of the classrs 70 students sice i left. So OP would you genuinely help any sixth year who asked for your help? Y/n Finally i got a D in h lc english got a c in matric.

Boombastic · 24-02-2014 8:55pm

what do you mean you are 'at sea when it comes to learning objectives?' how can you plan a lesson without knowing what the objective of it is?

to me, that doesn't make sense?

gaeilgebeo · 24-02-2014 9:21pm

Aspiring wrote: »

seriously for junior cert religion most classes are expected to be a 'doss'class or homework/study class especially at this stage of the year.

Bit of a sweeping statement there.

Aspiring wrote: »

but most teachers I know of only take up work once or twice a month, but as I said one exam piece a week would be perfect for sixth years.

Again, sweeping statement about "most teachers you know".
You can't possibly know how much work most teachers correct!

Big Lar · 24-02-2014 9:28pm

The fact that you are anxious about your work and acknowledging your flaws shows that you care and you want to improve, I would think that you make a list of what you deem to be important and work on it one item at a time.

Don't be too worried too much about the eager beavers, lots of folk can be flat out doing nothing.

P.S. Hows my grammar ? I failed English in both inter and leaving cert

gaeilgebeo · 24-02-2014 9:39pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I live in a constant state of anxiety as a teacher. Firstly I feel I dont prepare enough. I find it hard to keep on top of 33 class periods. I teach English and Religion. I generally know what Im doing for my 3 English classes but for Junior REligion I just seem to wing it a good bit. We dont do it as an exam subject.
Im not good at keeping records on stuff-ie what I have done.
I dont feel I do enough correcting. I roughly take copies home once a month for English. Well at sixth year sometimes twice.
I do use ICT and am good at searching for materials from other teaching sites but I am at sea when it comes to Learning objectives. I dont put them on the board.
My discipline is relatively good. I do help out in extra curricular ie I run a debating club during school and Im a class tutor.
Its just when I go to In service I always feel low-like Im surrounded by these eager beavers who seem on top of there game. Who go to conferences etc.

I only spend about 6 hours outside of school doing stuff but I have a toddler -is that some excuse? Viable?

OP, all teachers feel snowed under with paper-work, preparation and corrections.
You are not alone!
Try not to be too hard on yourself, especially when you are doing your best.

happywithlife · 24-02-2014 10:41pm

Habit can be a great thing if you work it to your advantage.

You probably do have objectives - you couldn't survive if you didn't - but you just haven't formalised them. I write mine up on a dedicated corner of the board this yr. took a little bit of getting used to but it really really works. Both for me and the students. All you need is 2/3 one liners about what students will know by the end of the class. They take it down with the date at the start of every class, regardless of if they are taking anymore notes in their copy for the class. It gives them great structure in their copies and if they are out they can easily identify from someone else what was done.

I don't know anything about English so can't comment on your level of correction. I guess quality is always more important than quantity. Do you give good feedback when you do take them up or is it a mere tick the page?

For the religion, some books are better than others. I follow the course even if it's not for the exam - gives great structure. Feel free to pm if you want any ideas.

As for keeping note yourself what's been done, easiest way by far IMO is to fill it in at the back of the roll book as you go along. I'm guilty myself of not always being 100% on top of that but use the kids copies then to fill in any gaps

As for conferences etc, lots of people talk up what they feel works best but rarely admit to their down points. So take everything with a pinch of salt!

Aspiring · 24-02-2014 11:03pm

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Bit of a sweeping statement there.

Again, sweeping statement about "most teachers you know".
You can't possibly know how much work most teachers correct!

I don't mean to intrude this thread and reply to you as it is completely off topic but anyway.

In the school I attend, junior cert religion classes are often used as study classes as the exams approach. This is also the case for leaving cert non-exam religion. Some may see this as a doss class. That is what I meant, i didn't mean every religion class is a doss class and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

On your second point:
Leaving cert English teachers in the school I attend vary widely on the amount of work they expect handed up as assignments. What I meant (which I thought was clear) was that many teachers of higher level English classes in our school would give an assignment per week to their class. Some less than this it all depends. I was not referencing to how much work teachers correct at all but rather how many class assignments would be handed out in general.

f3232 · 25-02-2014 12:58am

Boombastic wrote: »

what do you mean you are 'at sea when it comes to learning objectives?' how can you plan a lesson without knowing what the objective of it is?

to me, that doesn't make sense?

I mean what is this person thinking? No Learning Objective. MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Or to put it another way,

Stop being a know it all and give the guy a break he/she is at least being reflective about their practice, something I think will make them a better teacher in the long run.

MrJones1973 · 25-02-2014 10:08am

Firstly, I want to thank all the teachers and non teachers who took time to reply here. Just a note about learning objectives-I roughly know what Im doing ie I might be doing speeches with my third years and I know the areas I want to cover. Roughly. I think part of my issue with planning is its stating the bleeding obvious and too organised to an extent. Sometimes ideas pop up in a class.

One failing I do have is sometimes I locate a great handout from a site but I dont read it fully. Photocopy it and don't work out exactly what I want with it. But as stated Im good at locating outside sources that work. Just not always. Sometimes I realize too late the handout is not great/
I have progressed the last few years. Im more precise in comments on student work.
The problem with a lot of the reform lately-its just too much all at once. if it was more piecemeal I could digest it. ie. Besides asking my fifth years to read a book once a week (English) I cant think of a particular thing I have done to encourage literacy school wise. Well I do a book in the bag scheme for first/second years but its been in need of organisation.

My Jc religion classes remain a bit of a black spot. A lot of the time its "what page were we on?" other times I'm focused ie I did a great first year mass for 25 students

DenMan · 25-02-2014 12:40pm

Hi OP

I agree with Boombastic. As a teacher your classes and lesson plans are built around your overall objective. That's the important part of teaching imo. The learning objective is the foundation for your planning as a teacher. I would recommend Robert J. Marzano. He has great tips for teachers and also has videos on youtube. I find him brilliant. Very best of luck. I hope you find what you're looking for.

http://www.marzanoresearch.com/designing-teaching-learning-goals-objectives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhB_R_FT9y4

Boombastic · 25-02-2014 1:44pm

f3232 wrote: »

I mean what is this person thinking? No Learning Objective. MY GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Or to put it another way,

Stop being a know it all and give the guy a break he/she is at least being reflective about their practice, something I think will make them a better teacher in the long run.

Seen as you are so clever, please explain to me how you can plan a lesson with no objectives? How can you check if the children have reached the objectives of the lesson if you don't have any?

Your attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

@op is there a reason why you don't read the handout to the end and plan how it will work in the class before you give it to the children? Do you think this is fair on the children?

MrJones1973 · 25-02-2014 5:26pm

Sometimes its just hard to get the time to read them fully. I still think its better than relying on the book and the whole handout is not useless its just a bit better planning would help me skip those sections that are of little use.

I think you can over kneel at the altar of objectives. Most of the time its pretty clear-ie you are doing a poem. You want the kids to understand the poem. I dont mind classes that go off on a bit of a trajectory as if you slavishly follow a plan the whole thing can be a bit wooden. Sometimes ideas pop in your head and you go with them . Interruptions events often derail a class and you go back to scratch ie Homework not done or kids need more time. Kids dont always fit neatly into plans.
I dont know if you are a teacher bombastic? But I dont think we are meant to be critical of each other here and I feel your post is a tad . Not on me.

About being fair to kids-thats a two way street. One can age prematurely waiting for kids to bring in right book/ do homework etc but to be fair the onus is on the teacher to have his act together but often the kids make a lesson nearly impossible to teach. But modern thinking is its entirely my fault!

Anyway my last post. Thanks to all.

whiteandlight · 25-02-2014 7:23pm

Get this and start with it:
http://pirongs.co.uk/teachers-planners/custom-built-a4-teachers-planner

I got it shipped in from the UK and it was worth every penny. I keep my roll on edmodo/eportal and use this for daily planning. It has three lines for each class period and you can order the one that fits your timetable. I'm finding it absolutely invaluable. I don't always fill in the homework section but I can see at a glance what I had down for the previous day and I do try and edit it retrospectively if i went off track. It really helps keep a handle on where you are each day and it doesn't take long to fill in.

Once this has become second nature/habit, then start looking at maybe posting the objectives on the board-but get the hang of one thing at a time.

Also just to point out, you are by no means alone in terms of handouts going wrong/working out differently. The important this is that you noticed and can address it for the next time! Every class is different, worksheets that worked with a different group won't work at all with another group. Flexibility is key so that you can change the direction of the class if needs be!

Afroshack · 26-02-2014 7:30pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Firstly, I want to thank all the teachers and non teachers who took time to reply here. Just a note about learning objectives-I roughly know what Im doing ie I might be doing speeches with my third years and I know the areas I want to cover. Roughly. I think part of my issue with planning is its stating the bleeding obvious and too organised to an extent. Sometimes ideas pop up in a class.

One failing I do have is sometimes I locate a great handout from a site but I dont read it fully. Photocopy it and don't work out exactly what I want with it. But as stated Im good at locating outside sources that work. Just not always. Sometimes I realize too late the handout is not great/
I have progressed the last few years. Im more precise in comments on student work.
The problem with a lot of the reform lately-its just too much all at once. if it was more piecemeal I could digest it. ie. Besides asking my fifth years to read a book once a week (English) I cant think of a particular thing I have done to encourage literacy school wise. Well I do a book in the bag scheme for first/second years but its been in need of organisation.

My Jc religion classes remain a bit of a black spot. A lot of the time its "what page were we on?" other times I'm focused ie I did a great first year mass for 25 students

In my school we made these massive literacy charts on a3 paper and they are on the wall of every classroom in the school. They just outline different types of punctuation and the rules of using them, do's and don't of capital letters with examples, some synonms, commonly misspelled words and a couple of other things. They take 10 minutes to design, five minutes to laminate and you look great for a year

DenMan · 18-08-2014 12:08pm

Hi OP

Just bumping this thread as I'm curious to know how you have been getting on. Good luck!

MrJones1973 · 18-08-2014 4:02pm

Im afraid I still stumble on a bit and need to do more planning. Basically I needed to take a few grinds on to make ends meet. Cost of childcare plus debt!

bearhugs · 19-08-2014 3:48am

You seem to have been very hard on yourself. I think very few of us can look at everything we do like planning, correcting etc. and be completely happy. The fact that you have obviously thought about this over the last year or so shows that you are looking to improve, and fair play to you for it. I would be similar to you in that I would have a topic in mind and work on it for a few days, and see how much I get done. Something that has helped me is having a routine, especially with the junior classes. It helps when you go in and they have say their homework ready to correct, then listening workbook ready, then new work then homework. Hope you don't feel under too much pressure!

MrJones1973 · 19-08-2014 8:19am

Thanks to all. I will revisit the issue soon. I planned to do work over the summer but procrastination got in the way!

vamos! · 19-08-2014 10:03am

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Thanks to all. I will revisit the issue soon. I planned to do work over the summer but procrastination got in the way!

I have to plan for every lesson because I'm not good at winging it and am fussy by nature. I don't have time to do a TP style lesson plan for every class obviously but have a vague plan.

Sit down for an hour with your subject plan and book out. Write out what you do before Oct mid term in bullet points. Decide if you need any new resources and if you do create one new resource per group per half term. It's not a lot in terms of time but you will build up a resource bank and pan in a stress-free way. By the way you sound like you do actually plan and just have it in your head which is no bad thing. I wish I could do that but I have a notebook and highlighter addiction! Also your summer holidays are your holidays and time to spend with family so don't feel guilty for not working during your holidays!

mirrorwall14 · 19-08-2014 1:10pm

I would advise anyone to invest in a pirongs teacher planner. Got one last year and it has been absolutely invaluable in keeping track of classes and their teaching. New one has arrived for this year already

DenMan · 19-08-2014 1:37pm

Hi OP

Like the other posters I echo in saying that you are being too hard on yourself. I agree with vamos!, in that spending an hour or an evening planning ahead and preparing would be of huge benefit to you. It will allow you to see your itinery mapped out in front of you and it will be a solid foundation to work on. The Universities and Colleges here in Ireland do run training seminars and offer tips to teachers on how to make them better in their profession. They have them in the summer and also during the academic year. Into Learning is an example of one. Very best of luck!

http://www.intolearning.ie/summer-programme-2014/

http://moodle.intolearning.ie/

Hazelnut Button · 19-08-2014 3:24pm

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I would advise anyone to invest in a pirongs teacher planner. Got one last year and it has been absolutely invaluable in keeping track of classes and their teaching. New one has arrived for this year already

Just ordered one. They look great. Hope it arrives in time for school.

ustazjoseph · 22-08-2014 8:31pm

I ve been an anxious teacher for a long time. I think we can get into the habit of short term performing rather than structuring and planning. This can be linked to personality traits , habit and life s circumstances. The reality as Ive been finding is that time , planning and structure make life easier. You will feel better if your work is less performance art and your relying on the force of your personality to take you through. eventually this approach takes too much energy. Time with counselors , life coaches or self help books can be useful. Practical time management tips are useful at any age. Don't be hard on yourself. We re all doing the best we can but there's nothing wrong with wanting to do better.

f3232 · 22-08-2014 11:12pm

ustazjoseph wrote: »

I ve been an anxious teacher for a long time. I think we can get into the habit of short term performing rather than structuring and planning. This can be linked to personality traits , habit and life s circumstances. The reality as Ive been finding is that time , planning and structure make life easier. You will feel better if your work is less performance art and your relying on the force of your personality to take you through. eventually this approach takes too much energy. Time with counselors , life coaches or self help books can be useful. Practical time management tips are useful at any age. Don't be hard on yourself. We re all doing the best we can but there's nothing wrong with wanting to do better.

A very insightful post, thanks.

MrJones1973 · 23-08-2014 11:50am

Have done a few time management books in my time but Im not good at follow through. I can be as bad as kids for disciplining myself time wise! Its 8pm-kids just to bed. Tv or planning....TV!

The Red Shoes · 23-08-2014 11:55am

The fact that you're concerned about not being good enough and want to improve speaks volumes. I think that a lot of teachers have that niggling fear. I can't post the link here but google "The Hard Part" by Peter Greene. It's an article I think you might enjoy! Best of luck this year & thanks for raising this topic!

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 12:07pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I live in a constant state of anxiety as a teacher. Firstly I feel I dont prepare enough. I find it hard to keep on top of 33 class periods. I teach English and Religion. I generally know what Im doing for my 3 English classes but for Junior REligion I just seem to wing it a good bit. We dont do it as an exam subject.
Im not good at keeping records on stuff-ie what I have done.
I dont feel I do enough correcting. I roughly take copies home once a month for English. Well at sixth year sometimes twice.
I do use ICT and am good at searching for materials from other teaching sites but I am at sea when it comes to Learning objectives. I dont put them on the board.
My discipline is relatively good. I do help out in extra curricular ie I run a debating club during school and Im a class tutor.
Its just when I go to In service I always feel low-like Im surrounded by these eager beavers who seem on top of there game. Who go to conferences etc.

I only spend about 6 hours outside of school doing stuff but I have a toddler -is that some excuse? Viable?

Well september is starting and this is your chance to get more organised. Religion is not that important if it's not a junior/leaving cert subject, so don't dwell on it.
Your 5th & 6th year students should be your piority you need to be correcting their work at least once a week. Once or twice a month is not cutting it. You have to remeber that the majoriety of these students will count english for points. At the moment it sounds like you need to shape up. Students cannot perform to their highest ability without a dedicated teacher.

This is the reason why teachers in grind schools are much better. My english teacher collected our work twice a week. The second you as a student feel the teacher is not working hard enough you just tell the prinicpal and it will be sorted.

As for children many teachers have kids and they manage to get their work done. Having children is no excuse for laziness. It's your job to get students work corrected. I mean why should they bother doing their homework if you can't be bothered to mark it? It's a two way street you know.
If you can't hack it maybe you need to take a career break until your child is older.

For the sake of your students I hope you figure it out. To everyone who disagrees with grinds schools, this is the standard of teaching in public schools..

MrJones1973 · 23-08-2014 12:24pm

I think you came on a bit strong there. You obviously have issues with other staff members and you cant give career advice based on a few texts!-career break?!! How old are you?? . You reference an English teacher. Do u have kids?

I have 30 honours students so you could be talking 3-5 hours of correcting per week for one group. I tend to collect one group per week. To be honest I prefer my time planning than correcting and feel its a bit more beneficial. ie you find great notes or write great notes.

Grind schools are fine if thats what you want but their teachers dont have to be a class tutor/serve on a literacy committee/ do s and s. etc. I have given grinds to kids in grinds schools-the standard is good but its more third level like-kids dont get that much special attention. People feel they get better because they pay more and lets face it you dont have any troublesome pupils.

However I do think I could do more -we all probably could. I probably correct the fifth and sixth years twice a month-not once . Religion aint an exam subject but I still have to prepare and that takes time. I don't plan to comment anymore because of the above contribution. Though I appreciate the concern.
Thanks to all

implausible · 23-08-2014 1:50pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Your 5th & 6th year students should be your piority you need to be correcting their work at least once a week. Once or twice a month is not cutting it. You have to remeber that the majoriety of these students will count english for points. At the moment it sounds like you need to shape up. Students cannot perform to their highest ability without a dedicated teacher.

This is the reason why teachers in grind schools are much better. My english teacher collected our work twice a week. The second you as a student feel the teacher is not working hard enough you just tell the prinicpal and it will be sorted.

As for children many teachers have kids and they manage to get their work done. Having children is no excuse for laziness. It's your job to get students work corrected. I mean why should they bother doing their homework if you can't be bothered to mark it? It's a two way street you know.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are not a teacher, but the above comment is nonsense!

I teach First Year to Leaving Cert English every year, all levels. Taking up 5th and 6th year work at least once a week would leave no time for anything else. There are barely any 'free' classes left on teachers' timetables nowadays, so this type of work needs to be taken home. Even if you have no kids, no partner, no housework, no cooking or need to relax, it's going to take you at 20 minutes per copy at Leaving Cert and even with my small class sizes, marking a class group of 20 is going to take 6 1/2 hours and that's after a day's work.

When do you propose the teacher would get around to marking the other 4 classes and planning?

The grind school comparison is irrelevant. Grind schools deal with 5th and/or 6th years and do not have to deal with the other years in a regular secondary schools, supervision/substitution, extra-curricular activities, discipline issues and the thousand other things that go on in a secondary school that is not run for profit. Teachers in grind schools are not better! They have the same qualifications (sometimes less) as every other teacher in the country, just more time and less distractions to do the job.

spurious · 23-08-2014 2:03pm

In grind businesses, the teachers are there to teach the students how to pass the exam. This is not the case in schools.
Teachers in schools have to do much more.

implausible · 23-08-2014 3:51pm

The Red Shoes wrote: »

The fact that you're concerned about not being good enough and want to improve speaks volumes. I think that a lot of teachers have that niggling fear. I can't post the link here but google "The Hard Part" by Peter Greene. It's an article I think you might enjoy! Best of luck this year & thanks for raising this topic!

Great article! Here's the link: http://curmudgucation.blogspot.ie/2013/12/the-hard-part.html

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 8:07pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I think you came on a bit strong there. You obviously have issues with other staff members and you cant give career advice based on a few texts!-career break?!! How old are you?? . You reference an English teacher. Do u have kids?

I have 30 honours students so you could be talking 3-5 hours of correcting per week for one group. I tend to collect one group per week. To be honest I prefer my time planning than correcting and feel its a bit more beneficial. ie you find great notes or write great notes.

Grind schools are fine if thats what you want but their teachers dont have to be a class tutor/serve on a literacy committee/ do s and s. etc. I have given grinds to kids in grinds schools-the standard is good but its more third level like-kids dont get that much special attention. People feel they get better because they pay more and lets face it you dont have any troublesome pupils.

However I do think I could do more -we all probably could. I probably correct the fifth and sixth years twice a month-not once . Religion aint an exam subject but I still have to prepare and that takes time. I don't plan to comment anymore because of the above contribution. Though I appreciate the concern.
Thanks to all

I am not a teacher and would have no desire to become one. I'm studying medicine. It's a shame teachers are so over worked in public schools. The department for education should hire more teachers to lessen the workload. This is obviously the reason for poor teaching quality.
I truly believe the only way a student can excel in a subject is by getting work corrected.
Could you not create your lesson plans for the year during the summer holidays? This would save considerable time during your working week.
The lower standard of teaching and disruptive students is the reason I chose to move to a private school.
Best of luck with your teaching.

seavill · 23-08-2014 8:55pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

I am not a teacher and would have no desire to become one. I'm studying medicine. It's a shame teachers are so over worked in public schools. The department for education should hire more teachers to lessen the workload. This is obviously the reason for poor teaching quality.
I truly believe the only way a student can excel in a subject is by getting work corrected.
Could you not create your lesson plans for the year during the summer holidays? This would save considerable time during your working week.
The lower standard of teaching and disruptive students is the reason I chose to move to a private school.
Best of luck with your teaching.

That didn't take long....

When you understand a little more come back then and try to lecture us on how to teach properly. Or when you finish college let me know where you are working as a doctor and I'll pop in and tell you how to do your job, because like I have been to doctors before and have been in hospital so I know what I'm talking about:rolleyes:

Creating lesson plans over the summer is a great idea until the middle of week 1 when 2/3 of your class is off on a science trip and then the next day there is a speaker in taking your entire class. Or even more simple sure plan to cover X in the next lesson but wait the fire alarm goes off half way through so there goes your next 8 months of lesson plans out the window as everything is now out of sync.

Personally I have a little issue with the word "teaching" and grind schools. Feeding people notes after notes after notes doesn't fully fit my definition of teaching. No offence to anyone teaching in a private school but compared to standard teaching and education there is no comparison. I have taught in a grind school before I get jumped on.

Also it's amazing how gullible people with money can be, just because you are paying for something does not mean you are getting the best. I was offered the job in the grind school before I even finished college. And again the following September. No teaching experience (except TP - doesn't really count) but job offer on the table - does it mean that because I was wanted in a grind school that I was a great teacher, no, it means they couldn't find anyone for the job. Hardly a ringing endorsement for the standard in that particular school.

bearhugs · 23-08-2014 9:22pm

+1 Seavill. Just because you have gone through school does not mean that you know the first thing about teaching.

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 9:27pm

Just because I'm not a secondary /primary school teacher doesn't mean that I know nothing about teaching. I am a qualified BHSI instructor and know all about lesson plans.

seavill · 23-08-2014 9:37pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Just because I'm not a secondary /primary school teacher doesn't mean that I know nothing about teaching. I am a qualified BHSI instructor and know all about lesson plans.

Clearly not if you think that a teacher can plan all their lesson plans over the summer, surely you can see this is illogical. Take my examples of disruptions from the previous post that throw every future plan out the window, what about the kids you have never taught before and have to first gauge their ability before knowing at what pace and standard they are at. Never mind the fact that you won't have the vast majority of your class lists until the day you go back (if you are lucky) thus not knowing how many kids with SEN you have etc. etc. etc.
Also taking into account the thread here over the last week where teachers either only got their timetables this week or are still waiting, how can you plan if you don't know who or what you are going to be teaching?

You may know how you "instruct" your courses but you certainly don't have the knowledge of the education system to be lecturing people on how to do their jobs.

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 9:41pm

seavill wrote: »

Clearly not if you think that a teacher can plan all their lesson plans over the summer, surely you can see this is illogical. Take my examples of disruptions from the previous post that throw every future plan out the window, what about the kids you have never taught before and have to first gauge their ability before knowing at what pace and standard they are at. Never mind the fact that you won't have the vast majority of your class lists until the day you go back (if you are lucky) thus not knowing how many kids with SEN you have etc. etc. etc.
Also taking into account the thread here over the last week where teachers either only got their timetables this week or are still waiting, how can you plan if you don't know who or what you are going to be teaching?

You may know how you "instruct" your courses but you certainly don't have the knowledge of the education system to be lecturing people on how to do their jobs.

Well the educational system in this country is very flawed..
I can't be bothered responding to this mindless rubbish. All I can say is thank god for the excellent teachers I had and I feel for the students in public school.

seavill · 23-08-2014 9:45pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Well the educational system in this country is very flawed..
I can't be bothered responding to this mindless rubbish. All I can say is thank god for the excellent teachers I had and I feel for the students in public school.

Agreed fully that the educational system is completely flawed.

Would you mind explaining what you feel is mindless rubbish? I gave you specific examples which make it impossible to plan lesson plans for the year during the summer which you didn't respond to. I gave you an example of a grind school offering me a job while still in college showing that it's not necessarily the best teachers that work in grind schools and you didn't respond to that either. You are just making sweeping comments without actually engaging in any discussion

I think broad sweeping statements like highlighted above really have no place in a discussion like this. There are good and bad teachers in every school and school type regardless of how much you pay.

Why do you feel for students in public schools? Do you think that grind teachers sit down and do all their lesson plans for the year over the summer?

bearhugs · 23-08-2014 9:46pm

I was just going by what you said about planning during the summer. Very impractical and I would go so far as to say a waste of time. What's flawed here isn't so much the public school system as your perception of it.

Featherbubble · 23-08-2014 9:46pm

Did you really just compare being a horse riding instructor to teaching in a secondary school???

Dave0301 · 23-08-2014 9:55pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Well the educational system in this country is very flawed..
I can't be bothered responding to this mindless rubbish. All I can say is thank god for the excellent teachers I had and I feel for the students in public school.

With all due respect, you are using your very limited experience with an education system to generalise. Of course you are entitled to an opinion, just don't make the mistake in thinking that it is an informed opinion.

Also, the professional opinion of a person who is trained to specialise and teach a certain subject, and informed of educational pedagogy is not mindless rubbish, quite the opposite actually.

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 10:20pm

Dave0301 wrote: »

With all due respect, you are using your very limited experience with an education system to generalise. Of course you are entitled to an opinion, just don't make the mistake in thinking that it is an informed opinion.

Also, the professional opinion of a person who is trained to specialise and teach a certain subject, and informed of educational pedagogy is not mindless rubbish, quite the opposite actually.

Sure the majoriety of teachers at secondary school level have done arts, hardly specialised training.. Most of the maths teachers in this country do not even have a maths degree. Surely there ability to teach at a high standard is questionable.

MrJones1973 · 23-08-2014 10:26pm

I think Lovechannel is playing out their personal issues here. Projecting. We all like to justify things and Lovemyself obviously had issues with his/her school . Projected . Cheaper than therapy. We could all use some therapy so dont get upset over that. Its just the arrogant attitude that got up my nose. I think I would advise all to leave him/her be. Time will iron out the arrogance and Im sure if he works pretty hard he can send his offspring to an over priced school funded in large part by the tax payer. Where the middle class can pretend they are getting a better education- when in reality you stick the sons and daughters of professionals together you going get great results.

As for the correcting-opinions remain divided. Despite writing tons of comments-a lot of students ignored them and still handed up rushed work !

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 10:28pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I think Lovechannel is playing out their personal issues here. Projecting. We all like to justify things and Lovemyself obviously had issues with his/her school . Projected . Cheaper than therapy. We could all use some therapy so dont get upset over that. Its just the arrogant attitude that got up my nose. I think I would advise all to leave him/her be. Time will iron out the arrogance and Im sure if he works pretty hard he can send his offspring to an over priced school funded in large part by the tax payer. Where the middle class can pretend they are getting a better education- when in reality you stick the sons and daughters of professionals together you going get great results.

As for the correcting-opinions remain divided. Despite writing tons of comments-a lot of students ignored them and still handed up rushed work !

I'm sorry but my username is lovechanel

bearhugs · 23-08-2014 10:29pm

I actually think LoveChanel is a troll after their last post. Couldn't be serious. I agree, not going to bother interacting anymore!

MrJones1973 · 23-08-2014 10:30pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Sure the majoriety of teachers at secondary school level have done arts, hardly specialised training.. Most of the maths teachers in this country do not even have a maths degree. Surely there ability to teach at a high standard is questionable.

Where did you drag up that statistic-any evidence? About the Maths teachers? I wont hold my breath...

MrJones1973 · 23-08-2014 10:32pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

I'm sorry but my username is lovechanel

Can you not see Im taking the piss-lovethyself. Good luck with the therapy. Im out.

LoveChanel · 23-08-2014 10:33pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Where did you drag up that statistic-any evidence? About the Maths teachers? I wont hold my breath...

http://www4.dcu.ie/sites/default/files/smec/pdfs/Out-of-field_mathematics_teachers.pdf

http://m.independent.ie/life/family/learning/course-to-tackle-shortage-of-maths-teachers-26857502.html

Ní Ríordáin and Hannigan (2009) conducted a study with 324 post-primary mathematics teachers and found the following:
• 48% of the teachers did not have a mathematics teaching qualification.
• Of the 156 (48%) of teachers without a mathematics teaching qualification, 35% had a BSc. primary degree (without a significant mathematics component), 34% had a B. Commerce /Business primary degree (without a significant mathematics component) and 27% had a concurrent teacher education degree without mathematics (e.g. science teachers graduating from the University of Limerick).

Dave0301 · 23-08-2014 10:39pm

LoveChanel wrote: »

Sure the majoriety of teachers at secondary school level have done arts, hardly specialised training.. Most of the maths teachers in this country do not even have a maths degree. Surely there ability to teach at a high standard is questionable.

Judging by that response your English grinds teacher and all that assiduous marking was well heeded.

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I think Lovechannel is playing out their personal issues here. Projecting. We all like to justify things and Lovemyself obviously had issues with his/her school . Projected . Cheaper than therapy. We could all use some therapy so dont get upset over that. Its just the arrogant attitude that got up my nose. I think I would advise all to leave him/her be. Time will iron out the arrogance and Im sure if he works pretty hard he can send his offspring to an over priced school funded in large part by the tax payer. Where the middle class can pretend they are getting a better education- when in reality you stick the sons and daughters of professionals together you going get great results.

As for the correcting-opinions remain divided. Despite writing tons of comments-a lot of students ignored them and still handed up rushed work !

Apologies for getting sidetracked, but on topic, the fact that you are critical of your approach shows that you are at the very least reflecting on how you can improve. For me personally, it is setting small achievable goals. For example, improve marking this mid term/term.

Am I a bad teacher??

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