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OwaynOTT · 20-05-2015 5:24pm

Or maybe the present flash went to the future through the singularity and caused thawne problems.

D'Agger · 20-05-2015 5:26pm

Does anybody think Eddie being pulled into the singularity has significance....i.e. he somehow survives in a different timeline, allowing Reverse Flash to be created - just not in current Flash timeline?

Perhaps Eddie being left by the gang, Iris & Barry and their inevitable relationship is what makes him and all his ancestors hate him....I'm just jabbering here but still, let's get some weird theories going, time travel is bananas :pac:

googled eyes · 20-05-2015 5:39pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

why does Thawne hate the Flash? Going by this episode, he's not born for another 136 years (if at all now). I take it that it's a future Flash that Thawne actually hates, but thought that by killing Barry he would stop the future Flash happening?

Thawne traveled through time to get Barry's autograph ( being a flash fan). But Barry was busy and pulled a Lionel Messi on him.

Thawne just lost it. :pac:

Mitch Connor · 20-05-2015 6:20pm

The scene with Barry and his mum.... RIGHT IN THE FEELS

As regards the timeline..... WHAT THE FOOK

If Eddie killing himself has a direct impact on Reverse Flash, why did it not have a direct impact on everything RF did, and thus the entirety of the show?

connemara man · 20-05-2015 6:37pm

I'm glad I watched that alone there was a lot of dust..... yea... dust in the air during one scene

Talk about an epic finale I could have watched another hour easily

20-05-2015 7:48pm

Any ideas as to why future Flash told him not to save his mother?

Axwell · 20-05-2015 7:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Any ideas as to why future Flash told him not to save his mother?

Possibly he had already tried it at some stage and knew the outcome would be bad.

googled eyes · 20-05-2015 7:56pm

Deleted User wrote:

Any ideas as to why future Flash told him not to save his mother?

Flash from the future knows more about the pitfalls of time travel.

Also Future Flash ( and Barry in the instance) knows that being the flash is probably better than anything he could accomplish if he changed the timeline

_Kaiser_ · 20-05-2015 8:25pm

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Mitch Connor wrote: »

The scene with Barry and his mum.... RIGHT IN THE FEELS

Yep.. exceptionally well done. Got a bit misty-eyed for a sec myself

As regards the timeline..... WHAT THE FOOK

If Eddie killing himself has a direct impact on Reverse Flash, why did it not have a direct impact on everything RF did, and thus the entirety of the show?

Yea that was my first thought too!! I've watched enough Star Trek to know that when a character is erased like that, everything they did is erased as well and the timeline resets - eg: in the TNG episode "Tapestry"

where Q gives Picard the chance to change the past by not getting into a bar fight and getting stabbed through the heart... but as a result he becomes a meek Lieutenant, not a strong Captain. When Q let's him change things again.. all those events are undone and the original timeline restored.

But in that case...

- The original Wells isn't killed by Thawne
- Doesn't create the Accelerator in the present time
- Doesn't lead to Barry becoming The Flash
- None of what we saw this season happens

So, why after Thawne vanishes does the timeline not instantly change to what it would have been beforehand?

I'm confused!!

But very impressed! Definitely my highlight show of this season.

CastorTroy · 20-05-2015 11:17pm

The corset appears to fit Caitlin well.

Was thinking that the whole episode was a buildup to the time travel yet he didn't change anything after all that, and caused a lot of fallout.

But great episode with a hell of a cliffhanger, though dunno what he plans on running on to stop the singularity. Just debris?

Unexpected cameo from Hawkgirl

Be funny if they started using the multiverse in a way like "This is the CBS universe and "This is the movieverse" and start going all DS9 Tribble episode on them

Also, did anyone else think Barry arriving in the past sounded very like the DeLorean time travelling?

OmegaRed · 21-05-2015 9:43am

Deleted User wrote: »

Can someone explain the hat being thrown through the wormhole? Also surely Eddie killing himself, which was completely and utterly out of the blue, means that Wells stays the person he was, because he was never killed

THIS!!!

RobbingBandit · 21-05-2015 10:34am

The wormhole was access into the speedforce, the line of time past present and future, the silver hat belonged to another Flash and it must have fallen off of him at that exact time, there would be others running through the speedforce.

RobbingBandit · 21-05-2015 10:35am

As soon as Dr Stein told Eddie he was the only one of all the characters personally in control of his future the scent of impending doom should have been obvious.

Potential-Monke · 21-05-2015 2:48pm

^ This

Once that happened, i knew one of two things. Either Eddie was working with Eobart to make a name for himself in history, or Eddie was going to sacrifice himself to be a hero. Up until he shot himself, i thought he was going to be working with Eobart, but i won't say it came out of the blue.

GottaGetGatt · 21-05-2015 3:49pm

It will be intersting to see how they deal with he original wells. Why are people coming to he conclusion that he will be alive.?If yer going by that logic then everything evil Wells did from creating the flash wouldnt have happened either so don't see how people are saying the original Wells will be alive.

5star02707 · 21-05-2015 5:00pm

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

It will be intersting to see how they deal with he original wells. Why are people coming to he conclusion that he will be alive.?If yer going by that logic then everything evil Wells did from creating the flash wouldnt have happened either so don't see how people are saying the original Wells will be alive.

It was announced that he will still be a regular is season 2. Also Due to time travel (in season 2) Barry will be able to go to different times.

Mitch Connor · 21-05-2015 6:46pm

when Barry was going super fast, and seeing the different timelines, was anything else required for him to travel through time? Was the hydrogen particle purely to create the wormhole for Eobart? If it was purely for the wormhole, why didn't he just ignore the particle bit (and potentially ending the world). Sure, it means breaking a promise to Eobart, but so what?

Axwell · 21-05-2015 7:42pm

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

It will be intersting to see how they deal with he original wells. Why are people coming to he conclusion that he will be alive.?If yer going by that logic then everything evil Wells did from creating the flash wouldnt have happened either so don't see how people are saying the original Wells will be alive.

He will be in alternate timelines. The current timeline will stay as it is im sure story wise anyone that's died remains dead in the current timeline but can appear in alternate timelines.

RobbingBandit · 21-05-2015 9:21pm

Think of Back to the Future when Biff gets the sports almanac. When Marty goes back Biff owns the casino and has killed Martys dad. It is an alternative time line. A paradox if you will.

Wells could have still crashed his car that night and killed his girlfriend or they will both be regulars on the show next season, I do think the new show(name escapes me atm) will start with Stein and Snart at the scene of the wormhole as both were at the scene.

spektorfive · 21-05-2015 10:59pm

What amazing final esp, not crazy about the cliffhanger but who cares when the rest of it so good. What a gut punch Barry not being able save his ma, but a least getting to say good-bye to her.

don ramo · 21-05-2015 11:18pm

great finale, anyone who was thinking of not returning for season 2, is now definitely gonna return for season 2

:D

i was laughing at one particular piece of writing, when they said singularity and caitlin asked what was a singularity, jesus like, who proof read that line :pac:

although it was a great finale, i didnt see the point of caitlins wedding, seemed very abrupt and out kinda broke the focus of the episode,

googled eyes · 21-05-2015 11:54pm

don ramo wrote: »

although it was a great finale, i didnt see the point of caitlins wedding, seemed very abrupt and out kinda broke the focus of the episode,

I thought they did it because Barry was about to rip apart history as they knew it and they wanted to get married before the potentially didn't exist anymore....

Jon Stark · 22-05-2015 6:07am

googled eyes wrote: »

I thought they did it because Barry was about to rip apart history as they knew it and they wanted to get married before the potentially didn't exist anymore....

Now that you mention it, was it not a bit selfish in the first place for Barry to back in time. The world could have potentially ended due to his actions, and he got some very sound advice from his father. Advice that he looked to be accepting.

But then Iris comes along and says along the lines of it's about time you did something for yourself.....Even at the risk of global extinction.

Good old Iris, always failing to see the bigger picture. :pac:

Kirby · 22-05-2015 6:08am

Risking the entire planet is totally worth having a 60 second conversation with your mother. I mean, I'm surprised they all werent totally on board with it. Only a selfish person wouldnt be okay with Barry doing it.............................................. :P

OwaynOTT · 22-05-2015 9:33am

Yeah the only person Barry listened to was himself in the end.

OmegaRed · 22-05-2015 9:44am

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Yeah the only person Barry listened to was himself in the end.

And future Barry!

D'Agger · 22-05-2015 10:20am

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Yeah the only person Barry listened to was himself in the end.

Only after Iris fantastic advice:

*Paraphrasing:

Barry: What do I do Iris
Iris: Do whatever it is you have to do for you

Wut?!!

OwaynOTT · 22-05-2015 12:34pm

OmegaRed wrote: »

And future Barry!

That's who I meant.

CastorTroy · 22-05-2015 12:37pm

D'Agger wrote: »

Only after Iris fantastic advice:

*Paraphrasing:

Barry: What do I do Iris
Iris: Do whatever it is you have to do for you

Wut?!!

But she never lets him do what(who) he wants to do.

OwaynOTT · 22-05-2015 1:07pm

Anyone else go back and watch the original series.
I vaguely remember watching it when I was younger but I thought it was a movie, as I only saw the pilot.
Must have been a pirate copy, as I don't think it was on Irish tele.

Mitch Connor · 22-05-2015 1:17pm

I wonder if in season 2 we will see Reverse Flash back, somehow, and have it end with that Mother killing scene again. Would explain why future barry stops present barry - he would have known why present barry was there, and what he was trying to do, otherwise he should have been surprised. We might also get an explanation, via that, as to where Future Barry actually went, which is a very lose thread at this point. Why did he only move Barry into the street (not exactly safe from RF) and then sprint off leaving RF to potentially kill his mother, his father and his younger self.

22-05-2015 1:29pm

I don't think that will happen, mainly because the Flash we see there is at least a decade in the future.

Potential-Monke · 22-05-2015 2:55pm

I reckon Mitch is right, it'll probably end with that scene again, and it will explain why Barry told Barry to not save his mother.

JP Liz V1 · 22-05-2015 5:13pm

Why does Eobard hate Barry so much?

Lithium93_ · 22-05-2015 5:24pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Why does Eobard hate Barry so much?

There are a lot of variations on the rivalry in the comics, in the comics Thawne is a fan of The Flash, just took this from the DC wiki.

He worshipped him as a hero and as a friend. He knew everything about Barry, keeping a collection of memorabilia about his hero.

Maybe someone who's knowledgeable about The Flash comics can clear it up a bit better than i did.

D'Agger · 22-05-2015 5:34pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

There are a lot of variations on the rivalry in the comics, in the comics Thawne is a fan of The Flash, just took this from the DC wiki.

Maybe someone who's knowledgeable about The Flash comics can clear it up a bit better than i did.

I read that DC wiki and it me sent in multiple different directions all of which were confusing - definitely worth a read though!

Lithium93_ · 22-05-2015 10:59pm

With Barry running into the black hole, how is that going to effect Season 2, will the show's current time line be reset/stay the same, will/could Barry arrive in another time, how will his actions affect Arrow, seeing as the 2 shows are sort of intertwined with each other.

And how will Flash/Arrow tie in to Legends Of Tomorrow

My head spins just from thinking off all the possibilities.

Potential-Monke · 23-05-2015 9:58am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Maybe someone who's knowledgeable about The Flash comics can clear it up a bit better than i did.

How about no? It's obviously something that hasn't been revealed in the tv show yet, so i hope nobody ruins this for us non-comic readers.

Antar Bolaeisk · 23-05-2015 7:41pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

With Barry running into the black hole, how is that going to effect Season 2, will the show's current time line be reset/stay the same, will/could Barry arrive in another time, how will his actions affect Arrow, seeing as the 2 shows are sort of intertwined with each other.

And how will Flash/Arrow tie in to Legends Of Tomorrow

My head spins just from thinking off all the possibilities.

Probably just a whole load of parallel universes (universi?) of which one will likely contain Barry's dad as the Flash wearing the 90s costume in all it's cheesiness.

Mormegil · 23-05-2015 8:03pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I wonder if in season 2 we will see Reverse Flash back, somehow, and have it end with that Mother killing scene again. Would explain why future barry stops present barry - he would have known why present barry was there, and what he was trying to do, otherwise he should have been surprised. We might also get an explanation, via that, as to where Future Barry actually went, which is a very lose thread at this point. Why did he only move Barry into the street (not exactly safe from RF) and then sprint off leaving RF to potentially kill his mother, his father and his younger self.

2024 Barry is trying to keep the timeline intact if him stopping 2015 Barry from changing anything is any indication.

If that is the case then he has to make sure everything is the same. He would recall being left in the street as a child so therefore to keep the timeline intact he would have to leave the child Barry in the same street.

Mitch Connor · 24-05-2015 11:12pm

Mormegil wrote: »

2024 Barry is trying to keep the timeline intact if him stopping 2015 Barry from changing anything is any indication.

If that is the case then he has to make sure everything is the same. He would recall being left in the street as a child so therefore to keep the timeline intact he would have to leave the child Barry in the same street.

circular argument on timetravel though.... he was only left on the street because he was left on the street?

:D

Kirby · 25-05-2015 2:46am

Which is the problem with time travel in storytelling and why it doesnt work. Multiple dimensions works a lot better from a logic and consistency standpoint.

D'Agger · 25-05-2015 8:44am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

circular argument on timetravel though.... he was only left on the street because he was left on the street?:D

Maybe he left him on the street because he had to rush to get to his wormhole/portal back to his time and just dumped him pretty much!

StaticAge11 · 25-05-2015 8:55am

The producer has come out and said that the whole first season was an alternate timeline. This wrinkles my brain. So much to ponder

Mitch Connor · 25-05-2015 10:49am

D'Agger wrote: »

Maybe he left him on the street because he had to rush to get to his wormhole/portal back to his time and just dumped him pretty much!

Does Barry actually need a wormhole? I think the wormhole was purely for Eobart but travel in time, not Barry. Barry can time travel simply by running fast enough and embracing the speedforce.

McLoughlin · 25-05-2015 11:12am

I reckon the original Flash TV series from 1990 will be an alternative timeline and we will seeJohn Wesley Shipp as The Flash again.

Potential-Monke · 25-05-2015 11:23am

StaticAge11 wrote: »

The producer has come out and said that the whole first season was an alternate timeline. This wrinkles my brain. So much to ponder

Actually makes sense. Considering the "original" timeline was when future Flash pished off Thawne enough to go back and kill Barrys mother, which caused an alternate timeline in which Thawne has been playing the puppeteer. So, yeah, makes sense!

25-05-2015 11:36am

So the Flash is essentially now Star Trek remake?

ShazGV · 25-05-2015 11:38am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Does Barry actually need a wormhole? I think the wormhole was purely for Eobart but travel in time, not Barry. Barry can time travel simply by running fast enough and embracing the speedforce.

Maybe it was so Barry could get back from the past to that particular place in time with Joe/Cisco/everyone else?

don ramo · 25-05-2015 11:54am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Does Barry actually need a wormhole? I think the wormhole was purely for Eobart but travel in time, not Barry. Barry can time travel simply by running fast enough and embracing the speedforce.

no he doesnt need a wormhole, as we already seen earlier in the season when he went back a day trying to stop the tidal wave, barry has the speedforce in him, but obviously someone has learned how to harness it in the future,

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