Bogus Lithuanian Clothing Charity Collectors

daheff · 17-09-2008 1:16pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

I wish I could catch one of them putting one of those leaflets in my letterbox so I could shove it up their hole

they always put these in my door very late at night or early mornings...every sat morning i get a flyer (which i put in the paper recycling)

makes me wonder what kind of tools they are...do they not think they are overdoing it by dropping flyers EVERY week???

Davidth88 · 17-09-2008 1:26pm

As 10-10-20 says, it's a useful / cheap source of binbags , thats all I use them for.

I was in Prague last week , there are hundreds of second hand clothes shops there , I bet thats where a lot of this ends up.

John Mason · 17-09-2008 1:45pm

they come around at about 6.45am every morning in my place, more regularly then the postman tbh.

i have been know on occassion, to hand the stickers straight back to the collectors but it is a great source of cheap bin liners

i have noticed a lot of my neigbours have signs up tell the collector where they can stick their stickers

Sizzler · 17-09-2008 2:01pm

I've a right pain in my hoop with this carry on I have to say. We got a leaflet put in our door at 4:15am the other day which set the dog off.

For anybody living on their own I would say its very unnerving. My neighbour said they are sleeping on edge (as their car had been broken into / stolen 3 times this year already)and encouraged everybody to ring the local Gardai, which was fair enough in my book. The lad I spoke to was sound but he didnt think there was any law that they could pull them up on, the most they could hope to do was "run them".

We are getting at least one of these leaflets a day, the last straw for me in frustration was the one we got in the door last night which alledges they are collecting on behalf of breast cancer Ireland, they even had the nerve to put the pink ribbon on the bag. SCUM.

Sizzler · 24-09-2008 10:03am

On foot of receiving a leaflet claiming to be collecting for some Lithuanian cancer charity recently www.donotdelay.org I wrote to the Irish Cancer Society where they were kind enough to come back to me last night to confirm that they have tried to investigate these collectors with no luck but suffice to say they have not been approved in anyway. Basic rule folks is genuine charities do NOT collect in this way and the random mobile numbers provided merely confirm that these people are bogus and only out for profit.

I really feel for the genuine charities who are missing out due to these con artists. Yes there is govt legislation coming in but I cant see who is going to enforce it or get these scammers off the road

josh59 · 24-09-2008 5:17pm

Sizzler wrote: »

On foot of receiving a leaflet claiming to be collecting for some Lithuanian cancer charity recently www.donotdelay.org I wrote to the Irish Cancer Society where they were kind enough to come back to me last night to confirm that they have tried to investigate these collectors with no luck but suffice to say they have not been approved in anyway. Basic rule folks is genuine charities do NOT collect in this way and the random mobile numbers provided merely confirm that these people are bogus and only out for profit.

I really feel for the genuine charities who are missing out due to these con artists. Yes there is govt legislation coming in but I cant see who is going to enforce it or get these scammers off the road

It's all about convenience. I'm sure many people would gladly give their stuff to legitimate collectors it's just that these guys operate on the " fling enough s%$£ at the wall and some will stick" rule. I know Mrs. Josh would gladly give her stuff to legitimate collections and she often does but sometimes when she's clearing out an old cupboard or whatever and one of these bags falls in the letter box it's just too convenient to ignore.

Belfafter · 27-10-2008 8:27pm

Sizzler wrote: »

On foot of receiving a leaflet claiming to be collecting for some Lithuanian cancer charity recently www.donotdelay.org I wrote to the Irish Cancer Society where they were kind enough to come back to me last night to confirm that they have tried to investigate these collectors with no luck but suffice to say they have not been approved in anyway. Basic rule folks is genuine charities do NOT collect in this way and the random mobile numbers provided merely confirm that these people are bogus and only out for profit.

I really feel for the genuine charities who are missing out due to these con artists. Yes there is govt legislation coming in but I cant see who is going to enforce it or get these scammers off the road

http://www.jsdniltd.com/ - This is the guy organising the vast majority of these collections. His name is Tim Davis .
If you ring him up and tell him you have a van he sells you the fake stickers then buys all the bags of clothing off you when you get it.
Its mostly lithuianians and poles works for him and if they post belarus stickers in your door one week they come back a week later and stick breast cancer or any of his other made up stuff he has.
Its amazing that he can continue to operate as a legitimate business when ALL his supplies are collected by these scumbags in their vans.
I know he also pays them cash mostly so someone should report him.

10-10-20 · 27-10-2008 8:30pm

Very interesting connection there on that website...
It links to http://www.donotdelay.org/ but that page displays a large notice...

ATTENTION!!!

FAKE “DO NOT DELAY” COLLECTIONS IN UK.

ALL DOOR TO DOOR COLLECTIONS MADE WITH THE DO NOT DELAY LEAFLETS (STICKERS) IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, ARE FAKE. THIS COLLECTION IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND IS NO WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THE DO NOT DELAY PROJECT AND INTERSECOND LTD.

IN CASE YOU RECEIVE A DO NOT DELAY LEAFLET (STICKER), DO NOT DONATE AND REPORT TO THE LOCAL POLICE IMMEDIATELY.

GENUINE DO NOT DELAY COLLECTIONS ARE RUN WITH PLASTIC BAGS ONLY. ONLY THE DO NOT DELAY PLASTIC BAG GIVEN IS THE EVIDENCE THAT COLLECTION IS LEGAL. ALSO ALL OUR COLLECTORS HAVE THE ID WHICH CONFIRMS THAT A COLLECTOR IS EMPLOYED BY INTERSECOND LTD.

Belfafter · 27-10-2008 8:40pm

http://www.iccltd.org/
http://www.redappledesign.net/cci/

These are the other 2 big household clothing collection buyers.
Between these pair (who are brothers ) and http://www.jsdniltd.com/ 90% of the fraud is being carried out.

Sponge Bob · 28-10-2008 12:41am

I never realised until now that there was a UVF/UDA connection to all this

josh59 · 28-10-2008 11:37am

Belfafter wrote: »

http://www.jsdniltd.com/ - This is the guy organising the vast majority of these collections. His name is Tim Davis .
If you ring him up and tell him you have a van he sells you the fake stickers then buys all the bags of clothing off you when you get it.
Its mostly lithuianians and poles works for him and if they post belarus stickers in your door one week they come back a week later and stick breast cancer or any of his other made up stuff he has.
Its amazing that he can continue to operate as a legitimate business when ALL his supplies are collected by these scumbags in their vans.
I know he also pays them cash mostly so someone should report him.

Wasn't there a UTV documentary covering all of this a few years ago ? Can't remember the name of the guy who was the main organiser

Belfafter · 28-10-2008 10:51pm

josh59 wrote: »

Wasn't there a UTV documentary covering all of this a few years ago ? Can't remember the name of the guy who was the main organiser

I think that guy was from newry and employed his own workers.
These new guys are cleverer and employ practically no one.
Instead they supply the van and the fake charity and let whoever wants to try it have a go paying them cash for whatever they lift.
The trick is constantly changing charities so it looks like there are loads of people collecting wheras most of those vans only go to 4 or 5 big buyers

foggy_lad · 28-10-2008 11:18pm

Belfafter wrote: »

I think that guy was from newry and employed his own workers.
These new guys are cleverer and employ practically no one.
Instead they supply the van and the fake charity and let whoever wants to try it have a go paying them cash for whatever they lift.
The trick is constantly changing charities so it looks like there are loads of people collecting wheras most of those vans only go to 4 or 5 big buyers

the thing to do with old clothes if you can't get to your local charity shop is bin them, never give these "gangsters" anything!

could the green party not work on making these charity collections for clothes shoes etc illegal?

Belfafter · 28-10-2008 11:23pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

the thing to do with old clothes if you can't get to your local charity shop is bin them, never give these "gangsters" anything!

could the green party not work on making these charity collections for clothes shoes etc illegal?

As I have said on earlier posts - best way to screw them up is ring your local council and ask for the waste enforcement officer tellng him what collection is for and when they are picking up.
They can check if its legit and a real charity and if its not they need waste permits etc which they wont have.
The council can then seize there van and load.

foggy_lad · 29-10-2008 1:56am

Belfafter wrote: »

As I have said on earlier posts - best way to screw them up is ring your local council and ask for the waste enforcement officer tellng him what collection is for and when they are picking up.
They can check if its legit and a real charity and if its not they need waste permits etc which they wont have.
The council can then seize there van and load.

has any council in ireland ever gone after these collectors? they are not interested as it would take too much time and effort for too little reward/fines etc the easiest way is to bin your rubbish then it wont end up dumped along country roads or used to bankroll thugs and gangsters

MOH · 29-10-2008 11:33am

Murder somebody, hide your bloody clothes at the bottom of the bag, give it to charity people, anonymous tip off to the guards with the van reg number. Problem solved.

josh59 · 29-10-2008 11:37am

Belfafter wrote: »

I think that guy was from newry and employed his own workers.
These new guys are cleverer and employ practically no one.
Instead they supply the van and the fake charity and let whoever wants to try it have a go paying them cash for whatever they lift.
The trick is constantly changing charities so it looks like there are loads of people collecting wheras most of those vans only go to 4 or 5 big buyers

I suppose in a way they are the modern "rag and bone" men. I spotted one in my estate the other morning - knackered looking 99 D white Transit driven by a leather jacket clad gentleman of eastern European origin I reckon. Be interesting to see how much clothes are left out for them in the coming months given the current economic climate and the fact that for the past 10 years or so we have been living in a "throwaway society" - cetainly looking at the amount of stuff my neighbours were leaving out for them.

eth0_ · 29-10-2008 11:41am

Belfafter wrote: »

As I have said on earlier posts - best way to screw them up is ring your local council and ask for the waste enforcement officer tellng him what collection is for and when they are picking up.
They can check if its legit and a real charity and if its not they need waste permits etc which they wont have.
The council can then seize there van and load.

I've tried this. They don't give a crap or don't have the resources to deal with it. Nothing ever happened, we still get these scumbags coming round with their fake charity stickers - except we never get the free binbag, just a sticker to put on one of our binbags - on a weekly basis.

Apparently these guys are not to be approached. Many are big time criminals who have come over from Lithuania and wouldn't think twice about becoming violent towards people who question them.

Sponge Bob · 09-12-2008 5:55pm

...this thread is 2 and a Half years old. Finally the Galway Media has bothered to look into this scam

http://www.galwaynews.ie/5867-039charity039-clothes-collector-admits-keeping-profits

A LITHUANIAN man who owns a second-hand clothes collecting business that purports to be a charity is using sophisticated literature to lure unsuspecting Galway householders into donating clothes for the Third World that he then sells for a profit, the Sentinel has learned.
Householders throughout the city and county have in the past week been targeted with leaflets that appeal for “unwanted clothing . . . that will be sent to Ukraine, Africa and some other countries.”

However, the Sentinel has discovered that the collector is a registered business, Viltis, based in Tipperary and not a charity as householders are led to believe.

Atlas360 · 13-04-2009 10:16am

Hello Everyone,
Just new to boards and just want to say something about these clothing collection scams. All are bogus and not charities! Im sure you all figured that one out. Also I have first hand experience in seeing these second hand clothes shops in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania. My girlfriend is from there and I have visited 10 times. I'd say roughly within a 500metre radius of her apartment there must be about 5/6 of these so called charity shops! They are not charity shops at all, just businessmen!/gangsters/crooks selling peoples old clothes, like yours and mine and making massive profits. One of the owners of the shops whose premises is right beside my girlfriends block of apartments drives a black HUMMER!!!!, which I see regularly when I'm there, charity shop my arse. So can everyone please tell everyone they know to stop giving these people there old clothes etc, so we can stop these people. Thanks

calex71 · 13-04-2009 11:34am

Be so much easier if the law and councils got off their asses to help put a stop to it, hopefully the one upside to the recession will be that fewer people will be willing to give to these guys, but theres still no accounting to the ones who are to lazy to bring the clothes to a proper charity and dont care where they go as long as they are rid of them :mad:

foggy_lad · 13-04-2009 12:01pm

just throw your old clothes in the bin! that way they will not help criminals or worse they will not be collected by travellers and dumped at the side of the road and traced back to you by the council litter warden.

JulesInKy · 13-04-2009 1:38pm

Here in Ballylongford we have a recycling centre (bottle bank, tins etc) which also includes a yellow clothes recycling bin for a legitimate charity. Why not petition local politicians to have one added to your area? This way you know that the clothing is being put to charitable use.

delllat · 13-04-2009 2:14pm

best thing to do is stick those stickers on a sack of garbage with an item of clothing on top of the garbage
thats what i done and im sure they got the nice surprise

JulesInKy · 13-04-2009 2:18pm

delllat wrote: »

best thing to do is stick those stickers on a sack of garbage with an item of clothing on top of the garbage
thats what i done and im sure they got the nice surprise

Bad idea! If these guys doing the collecting are as unscrupulous as the thread indicates I'm sure all this would do is result in the garbage being thrown on the roadside, resulting in ugly litter.

brian ireland · 13-04-2009 2:30pm

JulesInKy wrote: »

Here in Ballylongford we have a recycling centre (bottle bank, tins etc) which also includes a yellow clothes recycling bin for a legitimate charity. Why not petition local politicians to have one added to your area? This way you know that the clothing is being put to charitable use.

We have one of those Clothes recycling bins in our village. Last week some Romanians slipped a small child into it and she was passing out the clothes to her family and friends. I suppose if they are wearing them and not selling them its not such a big deal. The kid must be very flat. Did you ever see the size of the hole in those thing?

Amalgam · 13-04-2009 2:46pm

Some of the more dubious collectors supply bags now too, they are quite insistent in getting them back.

Just curious, what sort of market exists for collecting clothes to 'render' or shred, to use as furniture filling or transform into some sort of other utility, would a percentage of the clothing be collected with that in mind solely as the end use.

taram · 14-04-2009 8:55pm

foggy_lad wrote: »

just throw your old clothes in the bin! that way they will not help criminals or worse they will not be collected by travellers and dumped at the side of the road and traced back to you by the council litter warden.

It's really not that hard to throw them in a bag for a legimtate organisation, and how exactly are they tracing clothes back to you, do you put your business card in your pocket of old clothes or something? :P

ronaneire · 14-04-2009 9:13pm

I got another one of those bags in my letter box today, claiming to be collecting on behalf of The Polio Fellowship of Ireland, naturaly enough the phone number is a mobile that does not work.
Whoever is collecting have gone to great bother by having the plastic bag put into a nice plastic type envolope and The Polio Fellowship of Ireland printed all over the plastic bag itself.
In fairness the bag itself will come into great use as I may use it for disposing of my household waste that I can put in my bin.
How and why are these so called "charity collectors" still getting away with this when it is the real charities that need support the most.
Thankfully I have yet to give these people one stitch of my unwanted clothes.

eth0_ · 14-04-2009 11:59pm

brian ireland wrote: »

We have one of those Clothes recycling bins in our village. Last week some Romanians slipped a small child into it and she was passing out the clothes to her family and friends. I suppose if they are wearing them and not selling them its not such a big deal. The kid must be very flat. Did you ever see the size of the hole in those thing?

Seen this before, most recently a few weeks ago in Drogheda and I could hardly believe my eyes - this "mother" pushed her child inside the bin and had her throw clothes out to her!

They're obviously not wearing the clothes themselves because the ones that do it are the Roma gypsies who always wear those gross long skirts and shawls, so they're not getting those out of a donated clothes bin!

I remember reading last year someone from the charities who put these collection bins out, that they are losing a LOT of revenue because of the Roma stealing clothes from them.

bcirl03 · 15-04-2009 1:44pm

We have a house full of the bogus collectors renting two doors up from us, they just moved in the other month. They have 3 vans (no insurance on two of them) parked in a small cul de sac and are constantly moving 'clothes' from one van to another. They have also started of late to bring in children’s bikes, a lot of them. My only guess there is that they are lifting the bikes when clothing the clothes at people’s houses.

Rang the Gardai on numerous occasions complaining and got no where.

There shifty, dangerous characters.

Any advice?

Sponge Bob · 15-04-2009 2:48pm

complain in WRITING to the super about the local guards, they will go up there sharpish once you report all of the insurance and the clothes and the kiddy bikes

also complain to the super in charge of your local traffic corps about the insurance .

eth0_ · 15-04-2009 7:22pm

bcirl03 wrote: »

Rang the Gardai on numerous occasions complaining and got no where.

There shifty, dangerous characters.

Any advice?

I looked into this last year when we were plagued by them. It's the council litter department you need to complain to, and they will enforce it along with the police.

Be very careful these people don't find out you complained, they have been known to be violent when confronted, even by the guards!

Buffman · 15-04-2009 8:51pm

bcirl03 wrote: »

We have a house full of the bogus collectors renting two doors up from us, they just moved in the other month. They have 3 vans

Ye, I had something similar close to me last year. Luckily not close enough to affect me too much. It was a rural house, they had 2-3 vans. When driving past I would see them out sorting massive piles of clothes in the drive way. Surprise surprise, a few days later the local ditches would have bags of soiled clothes strewn all over them.

I can't understand why people would give these people anything.

dh0661 · 15-04-2009 9:23pm

eth0_ wrote: »

Be very careful these people don't find out you complained, they have been known to be violent when confronted, even by the guards!

I hope you are suggesting that we stand by and let this sort of thing carry on. :mad:

SNIP

I refuse to start off a racist rant.

eth0_ · 16-04-2009 8:46am

dh0661 wrote: »

I hope you are suggesting that we stand by and let this sort of thing carry on. :mad:

SNIP
I refuse to start off a racist rant.

Read my comment. I told the guy who to contact (local council) to get something done!

Approaching them yourself is stupid and dangerous - are you a vigilante?

dh0661 · 16-04-2009 8:04pm

eth0_ wrote: »

Approaching them yourself is stupid and dangerous - are you a vigilante?

I would not consider us (hubby + me) to be vigilantes, but there is no way that we would let scumbags harass us.

Of course we would ask for help from garda and would, and have done, identify some people that have been causing trouble in our general area.

ronaneire · 17-04-2009 12:07am

The van arrived this morning, to collect the the bags. I dont think anyone had left anything out. Just as well. They are coming up in the world when it comes to transport, an 03 VW van (the big ones)
Oh and guess what? In my letterbox today was another sticker, this collection for some children's cheltered housing they even have the cheek to but an email address on it.What can be done to stop these people?

dh0661 · 17-04-2009 8:25pm

ronaneire wrote: »

What can be done to stop these people?

Well I for one hope that the proposals today from our minster for justice might help some where down the line.

I know that these guys are in the little league compared to the drug trade and people trafficking/prostitution, but from little acorns and all that.

In the mean time do not let people harass you, if you think that some sort of a scumbag type is harassing you demand help from your garda superintendent.

John Mason · 18-04-2009 8:04pm

the solution is sooooooooo simple its blinding

just stop putting bags out.

they will soon have to move on

bcirl03 · 13-05-2009 1:55pm

bcirl03 wrote: »

We have a house full of the bogus collectors renting two doors up from us, they just moved in the other month. They have 3 vans (no insurance on two of them) parked in a small cul de sac and are constantly moving 'clothes' from one van to another. They have also started of late to bring in children’s bikes, a lot of them. My only guess there is that they are lifting the bikes when clothing the clothes at people’s houses.

Rang the Gardai on numerous occasions complaining and got no where.

There shifty, dangerous characters.

Any advice?

Just to give you an update on the above.

I spoke to a local politician who advised me to speak with the community Garda. Well I did and whilst he listed he was honest with me and said there was nothing he could really do but would drop up and have a look. Even about the bikes he said proof would be needed and this could prove difficult.

Well they have since left and the house is now up on Daft.ie.

RESULT - however unsure if the community Garda did anything to move them on. My guess is they move around.

whippet · 13-05-2009 4:49pm

an neighbour of mine has had his kids bike lifted and has good reason to suspect one of these clothing collectors.

My father had a run in a few weeks ago, saw a shadow going by the bedroom window about 3am, immediatly thought the worst, took his shotgun out of the safe and went to the front door, he opened it just as the guy in question was putting a sticker through the letter box.

By my dads calculations, he should have taken about 5 seconds to get from the window to the letter box but it took my dad about a minute to get out of bed and get the gun .. what was the guy doing for that minute .. obviously scoping out the place.

Needless to say the auld boy explained that the next time questions won't be asked first.

13-05-2009 5:03pm

I work as nightshift in a supermarket. At least FOUR times have i witnessed vans pulling up next to the clothing banks and passing the kids INTO them. No joke! The kids then pass out the clothes and climb back out. I call the cops everytime but its usually on a Saturday night when all the drunkards are about.
Last time they caught them. The cops told me the van was crammed full of clothes. These guys also break off the padlocks and put their own on sometimes for easier access.

You're always better taking them directly to the charity shops

Sizzler · 13-05-2009 9:02pm

The sad fact is these people are being encouraged by idiots leaving stuff outside their doors, either out of laziness / innocence of lack of brain power.

You can forget about the Gardai helping you out here as well, unless you know a local copper they arent bothered.

Cough cough, my nextdoor neighbour was telling me a detective around the corner got pissed off with these leaflets being dropped in his door at 4 & 5am so organised a sting one morning and they took the van off the lads. A month later they are back again :rolleyes:

The cops refer it to the local council and the council refer it to the cops, what sort of country is this FFS, nobody arsed about doing anything.

josh59 · 14-05-2009 2:47pm

Sizzler wrote: »

The sad fact is these people are being encouraged by idiots leaving stuff outside their doors, either out of laziness / innocence of lack of brain power.

You can forget about the Gardai helping you out here as well, unless you know a local copper they arent bothered.

Cough cough, my nextdoor neighbour was telling me a detective around the corner got pissed off with these leaflets being dropped in his door at 4 & 5am so organised a sting one morning and they took the van off the lads. A month later they are back again :rolleyes:

The cops refer it to the local council and the council refer it to the cops, what sort of country is this FFS, nobody arsed about doing anything.

We had legit collection in our area two weeks ago by Enable Ireland who we left some stuff out for - they very kindly left a "thank you" note in the door following the collection.

Last week we had a different sticker in the door every day from our "friends". Then last Friday there was a bag from the Liberties Recylcing Project which may have been a legit collection but as with all the other stuff that week I bunged in the bin. As has been said before you cant differentiate between the legit and the rest.

SerialComplaint · 14-05-2009 8:29pm

bcirl03 wrote: »

We have a house full of the bogus collectors renting two doors up from us, they just moved in the other month. They have 3 vans (no insurance on two of them) parked in a small cul de sac

Rang the Gardai on numerous occasions complaining and got no where.

How can they ignore the 'no insurance' issue? Get onto the local Inspector if they are ignoring this.

Lollipops23 · 14-05-2009 11:32pm

i didn't know about the stickers being put in at 4am??come to think about it they're always in the porch waaaay before the normal post. that kind of creeps me out, if they're not up to no good then why don't they do it during the day??!!

Cabaal · 15-05-2009 8:35am

Lollipops23 wrote: »

i didn't know about the stickers being put in at 4am??come to think about it they're always in the porch waaaay before the normal post. that kind of creeps me out, if they're not up to no good then why don't they do it during the day??!!

I find mine are dropped in around 5.30am, I know cause I hear the ****ers doing it and I'm sometimes up at that hour

Sponge Bob · 15-05-2009 8:59am

I am glad to see that a legitimate company has now come up with a way for you to donate clothes and with a donation to charity , they are called Cookstown Textiles.

They team up with local schools and creches. The local school or creche organise a 'jumble sale ' or some such event .

You bring along your bags of clothes and they donate €3-5 to the school or creche for every bag they take off you .

This started up north but is recently happening down here too .

Save your bags and give them to Enable Ireland shops or else bring them to your local school or creche when they are fundraising .

Eventually the lack of business along with some proper enforcement from our lazy guards will stop these criminals from creeping around peoples homes in the middle of the night.

We urgently need a law that says no leafleting activity between 10pm and 7am to make the guards get off their fat holes

Cabaal · 15-05-2009 9:29am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

We urgently need a law that says no leafleting activity between 10pm and 7am to make the guards get off their fat holes

Agreed, they're no legitimate reason in the world for any person, group or company to be putting stuff in people's mailboxes during these hours!

These people are scum and those people dumb enough to give them anything should be fined as they only cause this scumbags to continue

Bogus Lithuanian Clothing Charity Collectors

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