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[MOTU] What's your favourite Unexplained Mystery
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Possibly, its just that whenever I read any of the sleep paralysis threads or have talked to anybody who has experianced it there always seems to be figures standing over them.....
Didn't mean to have a claim that's not true input....
Figures yeah, but the same one?
The one time I saw a figure while suffering sleep paralysis, I thought it was my ex standing there though I knew he was in the kitchen. Certainly wasn't hooded
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I think medical science has explained Sleep Paralysis well enough for it to be in no way considered 'mysterious' or paranormal
So far as what is constituted in the realm of medical science can explain.
I'm not trying to suggest cases of sleep paralysis have some external source, whether visitation, brief shots of the afterlife or perhaps OOBE related, but I couldn't claim to write off every moment as physically explainable. For example, medical science may explain the chemicals that may induce it, the stages and times that amount to the occurrence etc., and what may trigger it in the first place may be traceable too. For example, I normally get it during an inconsistent sleep, stressed times or when I have a fever, but not always. However, I believe that sleep paralysis, though not perhaps in itself a case of a 'paranormal' phenomenon, may at times occur as a sort of "side-effect" to something unique going on at the time. If there was ever for example, a dream visitation that caused stress to the dreamer, perhaps the dreamer claiming to see this man who haunts the place he/she is staying in, and becomes lucid, struggles to wake up, at a particular phase of sleep and stress levels rocket his/her sleep pattern out of control, possibly inducing sleep paralysis. I believe a long time ago I came across a very similar story someone once recalled. Energies (in a very broad sense of the term), I believe, may induce it, and perhaps in the example above, can be controlled to an extent by an external source temporarily at least - especially incorporating the dream aspect (and visitation if possible); one's own imagery can lead to a very unsettling experience.
Yes I'm sure medical science has more empirical evidence and evidence in general than this post has very briefly alluded to of a certain kind of explanation, but if it took almost 2,000 years to dispute spontaneous generation, I'm sure there is much to be studied on a relatively new area of research
- not just sleep paralysis for that matter!
Sorry for going a little off-topic, I'm aware of the sleep paralysis thread but I thought I would respond to it from this post. I am always weary about unusual occurrences such as sleep paralysis since it is connected with sleeping (and the brain states of sleeping I often find potentially linked with some things people class as "mysterious" or "paranormal").0 -
So far as what is constituted in the realm of medical science can explain.
I'm not trying to suggest cases of sleep paralysis have some external source, whether visitation, brief shots of the afterlife or perhaps OOBE related, but I couldn't claim to write off every moment as physically explainable. For example, medical science may explain the chemicals that may induce it, the stages and times that amount to the occurrence etc., and what may trigger it in the first place may be traceable too. For example, I normally get it during an inconsistent sleep, stressed times or when I have a fever, but not always. However, I believe that sleep paralysis, though not perhaps in itself a case of a 'paranormal' phenomenon, may at times occur as a sort of "side-effect" to something unique going on at the time. If there was ever for example, a dream visitation that caused stress to the dreamer, perhaps the dreamer claiming to see this man who haunts the place he/she is staying in, and becomes lucid, struggles to wake up, at a particular phase of sleep and stress levels rocket his/her sleep pattern out of control, possibly inducing sleep paralysis. I believe a long time ago I came across a very similar story someone once recalled. Energies (in a very broad sense of the term), I believe, may induce it, and perhaps in the example above, can be controlled to an extent by an external source temporarily at least - especially incorporating the dream aspect (and visitation if possible); one's own imagery can lead to a very unsettling experience.
Yes I'm sure medical science has more empirical evidence and evidence in general than this post has very briefly alluded to of a certain kind of explanation, but if it took almost 2,000 years to dispute spontaneous generation, I'm sure there is much to be studied on a relatively new area of research - not just sleep paralysis for that matter!
Sorry for going a little off-topic, I'm aware of the sleep paralysis thread but I thought I would respond to it from this post. I am always weary about unusual occurrences such as sleep paralysis since it is connected with sleeping (and the brain states of sleeping I often find potentially linked with some things people class as "mysterious" or "paranormal").
So basically what your saying you believe is, although Sleep Paralysis is a quantifiable medical condition, it's not always caused by something medical, & could possibly in some cases be triggered by an external energy?0 -
So basically what your saying you believe is, although Sleep Paralysis is a quantifiable medical condition, it's not always caused by something medical, & could possibly in some cases be triggered by an external energy?
You have a gift that I have never been able to find: to condense lots of bits into something more simplified in explanation
That is pretty much what I mean. I think in the end most "paranormal" things will have some degree or form of physical, scientific traceability, obviously as we're dealing with the physical world - even emotions have some forms of chemicals involved. So yeah, what may trigger these things I think may not always be 100% physically, "down-to-earth" phenomena, but the same could be said for a lot of things - but phenomena like sleep paralysis are one of those things that stand out for different reasons.0 -
You have a gift that I have never been able to find: to condense lots of bits into something more simplified in explanation
That is pretty much what I mean. I think in the end most "paranormal" things will have some degree or form of physical, scientific traceability, obviously as we're dealing with the physical world - even emotions have some forms of chemicals involved. So yeah, what may trigger these things I think may not always be 100% physically, "down-to-earth" phenomena, but the same could be said for a lot of things - but phenomena like sleep paralysis are one of those things that stand out for different reasons.
Yep, god knows, you could be right. But I have to boil things down to basics I find.
Medical science has given causes, factors & biological explanations for sleep paralysis from beginning to end. It's a normal phase of sleep, except your not meant to become conscious during it. Doing so, you find your large muscle group incapacitated which is normal, but also coincides with feelings of terror, & often accompanying hallucinations.
Now, I'm not qualified to offer an explanation as to why its always a feeling of dread & fear. Why isn't is always a hallucination of a joyous nature, & an accompanying euphoria? God knows. If I were to guess, I'd say its a primal/sub conscious reaction to the feeling of being paralyses in conjunction with a semi-lucid state.
Regards a paranormal influence to trigger it? In my opinion...no. There is, & never has been, any proof or plausible explanations to argue that the paranormal even exists. Sure there's all the reports & testimony by god knows how many credible witnesses over the centuries & decades. But the same can be said of any phenomenon in that case, Gods, Aliens, Fairies, Goblins, Ghosts you name it...there's been a witness. The divergence is so much so, that I have to wonder, does the human brain, & an individual persona dictate into what they believe they seen?
Over the centuries science/society has steadily disproved many things that older generations would have believed in. We've gradually moved on from dragons & goblins to ufo's etc. It seems the phenomena fits with the level of social development at times. Anyway, interesting discussion 0 -
Over the centuries science/society has steadily disproved many things that older generations would have believed in. We've gradually moved on from dragons & goblins to ufo's etc. It seems the phenomena fits with the level of social development at times. Anyway, interesting discussion
Interesting viewpoint.
Conversely, a lot of 'weird things' which might once have seemed fanciful have been proven too. Can you imagine being the first person ever to see a giant squid, or manta ray, or even the first to see a whale? Everyone would likely have dismissed them as ridiculous, a figment of someone's imagination, until they were encountered again, and slowly became accepted as fact. And thus no longer were 'monsters' and just normal creatures.
Of course, the thing is as the unexplored areas of our planet shrink more and more; and as everyone has cameras these days to record anything they encounter; the likelihood of us encountering many new creatures (particularly, large ones) is decreasing. (Bar, perhaps, the ocean floor.) As a creature, "Big Foot" or the Lough Ness monster are no more weird or special than other animals; it's just the unlikelihood of them existing without being detected that makes them fascinating to us.0 -
Interesting viewpoint.
Conversely, a lot of 'weird things' which might once have seemed fanciful have been proven too. Can you imagine being the first person ever to see a giant squid, or manta ray, or even the first to see a whale? Everyone would likely have dismissed them as ridiculous, a figment of someone's imagination, until they were encountered again, and slowly became accepted as fact. And thus no longer were 'monsters' and just normal creatures.
Ah yeah, sure the Earth was flat at one point too
My point being, is that science has weeded out the more exaggerated & fanciful things such as a cliff where you fall off the edge of the Earth, the Kraken & indeed despite being huge, Giant Squid have been shown to in no way to be able to swallow 'whole ships'. Where do ghosts/demons & spirits fall into my point? Hmm, I'm not sure yet...but like the Giant Squids of old...I think their days are numbered.Of course, the thing is as the unexplored areas of our planet shrink more and more; and as everyone has cameras these days to record anything they encounter; the likelihood of us encountering many new creatures (particularly, large ones) is decreasing. (Bar, perhaps, the ocean floor.) As a creature, "Big Foot" or the Lough Ness monster are no more weird or special than other animals; it's just the unlikelihood of them existing without being detected that makes them fascinating to us.
Exactly, if they do indeed exist...they're going to be just examples of mammalian/aquatic species we've never seen. Nothing paranormal, just new.
Maybe spirits & ghosts are extreme examples of this, if they exist...then there's a reason they exist & very likely a scientific one at that. Making them not paranormal, but...new 0 -
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Okay, unfortunately my post finished up earlier than expected, I didn't know I even posted that second post just yet but I think it's all that was needed.
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Yes, we both agree we could just turn to anything paranormal as explanation if we didn't know or didn't want to research - my cup just moved when I left the room: it might be haunted! And yes, it would be considered normal rather than paranormal if understood better. Even if it was proven that people could cast "spells" of fire, ice & lightning from their hands, it would become normal and experimentable/enquirable etc..
In that sense, most things, including sleep paralysis may 1 in every 100,000 times or whatever, be induced by something that FOR NOW we call "paranormal". Why then did I distinguish sleep paralysis as something potentially more common to be induced from something possibly external? Personally, I find a lot of connection with the afterlife (and hence, aspects such as spirits/the departed connected with this) and dreaming thanks to some research last year (highly recommend reading some H.H. Price for some ideas - I really seem to be plugging this guy on the 'Paranormal' forum). From that, any unique phenomena associated with sleep/the dreaming phase I find really fascinating from such a perspective.
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I've always thought that "dwarfs" in a sort of mythological sense back centuries ago that people considered different from themselves, were just in fact, people with dwarfism, and not distinct from us in anyway besides the effects of dwarfism 0 -
Ah yeah, sure the Earth was flat at one point too My point being, is that science has weeded out the more exaggerated & fanciful things such as a cliff where you fall off the edge of the Earth, the Kraken & indeed despite being huge, Giant Squid have been shown to in no way to be able to swallow 'whole ships'. Where do ghosts/demons & spirits fall into my point? Hmm, I'm not sure yet...but like the Giant Squids of old...I think their days are numbered.
Exactly, if they do indeed exist...they're going to be just examples of mammalian/aquatic species we've never seen. Nothing paranormal, just new.
Maybe spirits & ghosts are extreme examples of this, if they exist...then there's a reason they exist & very likely a scientific one at that. Making them not paranormal, but...new
Well, yeah. I think we're in agreement.
Paranormal is, effectively, another word for unexplainable. It may be something that eventually turns out to be false (a hoax, a lie, a figment of someone's imagination), or it'll be recorded, studied and explained and becomes 'normal'. As you say, perhaps some day we'll even find evidence of some kind of ghost or spectre, and then it would stop be paranormal and become a known, accepted phenomenon.
It's purely the lack of explainability(?) that makes the paranormal fascinating.0 -
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Bermuda triangle
Some really interesting co-incidents, but ships & planes travel through it every day without incident. I think its a combination of freak weather, navigation errors & maybe even wild stuff like methane/hydrogen releases from the sea floor affecting water density.how they created pyramids
To quote Red Dwarf, in relation to the pyramids:
Rimmer: How did they create such massive structures?!
Lister: They had massive whips Rimmer, massive massive whips.where is Atlantis
It's a city that only ever held mythological status, merely legend. It may have existed, but equally, it may not have.why there is no satellite image over south and north pole
Em, there arei could continue
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silverharp wrote: »crop circles are interesting
Man made. People have come forward and shown people how they do it.0 -
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