De Facto Relationships Ireland

h57xiucj2z946q · 10-08-2011 9:41am

battries not included wrote: »

It does take time to hear back from the De-facto department etc...

Hope all goes well for all applications!

there is a lot of backround checking i'd say that takes place when you apply, once you nothing to hide and are honest should be just a waiting game.

Failing that go in person to the GNIB office on burgh quay and look to speak to someone, I have done it before and got a name of person dealing with application and within a few weeks all sorted.

Cool, thanks.

jellybeans · 11-08-2011 11:56pm

battries not included wrote: »

It does take time to hear back from the De-facto department etc...

Hope all goes well for all applications!

there is a lot of backround checking i'd say that takes place when you apply, once you nothing to hide and are honest should be just a waiting game.

Failing that go in person to the GNIB office on burgh quay and look to speak to someone, I have done it before and got a name of person dealing with application and within a few weeks all sorted.

what sort of background checking do you reckon they do?

h57xiucj2z946q · 12-08-2011 11:05am

Just letting you know, we rang INIS yesterday and they told us the application was with the supervisor and its up to him/her to to make the final decision and to post out a response. The girl on the phone said she will tell the supervisor that we have been waiting 8 weeks and are getting pretty anxious for a response. This morning we got a letter saying my girlfriend was granted a stamp 4 based on our exceptional circumstances. We are so happy.

battries not included · 12-08-2011 11:06am

well done,

how long is the stamp4 for?

h57xiucj2z946q · 12-08-2011 11:09am

12 months initially, then can be renewed by going back to your local immigration officer.

vinomano · 14-08-2011 5:46pm

Hi all,

I’ve successfully completed MSc in E-Business and Information System in Smurfit Business School year 2010. I’m holding a Student visa (Graduate Scheme) from 1st of November 2010 to till 1st of November 2011. Since I got that Graduate Scheme visa I’ve been trying to get a professional job to specific my studied area. I had several interviews with leading organizations in Ireland and I wasn’t successfully due to the student visa category. Most of organization, they required the people who had already Stamp 4 visa. For an example last month (July) I had interview with Software Company about Software Engineer position. This is a Master in Applied Software Technology + Permanent Job program. In first stage I should have to enroll for Master Degree and after they will offer that permanent job from the Software Company. Furthermore they are looking for candidates who have Stamp 4 visa.
This is very important opportunity for my further career path. I’ll delight if I get this opportunity. I’m please to say I have successfully completed two steps of an interview with them and I’m happy to say I’ve been selected for final phase of interview. They are still waiting for me if I get stamp 4 to offer this program for me. For this incidence they’ve offered college offer letter to me. Please find attached file. I’m afraid; I don’t think Software Company will sign for Green Card application on this occasion. Because first I should complete Degree program according to program specification. But I will able to get a letter from the company as well. With my position, Starting date, Duration of employment etc.. I highly appreciated if you can provide sufficient information to get me for this program according to this scenario.

h57xiucj2z946q · 14-08-2011 6:10pm

vinomano wrote: »

Hi all,

I’ve successfully completed MSc in E-Business and Information System in Smurfit Business School year 2010. I’m holding a Student visa (Graduate Scheme) from 1st of November 2010 to till 1st of November 2011. Since I got that Graduate Scheme visa I’ve been trying to get a professional job to specific my studied area. I had several interviews with leading organizations in Ireland and I wasn’t successfully due to the student visa category. Most of organization, they required the people who had already Stamp 4 visa. For an example last month (July) I had interview with Software Company about Software Engineer position. This is a Master in Applied Software Technology + Permanent Job program. In first stage I should have to enroll for Master Degree and after they will offer that permanent job from the Software Company. Furthermore they are looking for candidates who have Stamp 4 visa.
This is very important opportunity for my further career path. I’ll delight if I get this opportunity. I’m please to say I have successfully completed two steps of an interview with them and I’m happy to say I’ve been selected for final phase of interview. They are still waiting for me if I get stamp 4 to offer this program for me. For this incidence they’ve offered college offer letter to me. Please find attached file. I’m afraid; I don’t think Software Company will sign for Green Card application on this occasion. Because first I should complete Degree program according to program specification. But I will able to get a letter from the company as well. With my position, Starting date, Duration of employment etc.. I highly appreciated if you can provide sufficient information to get me for this program according to this scenario.

This thread is for the De Facto, best you start a new thread.

vinomano · 14-08-2011 6:21pm

Liana Sticky Pennon wrote: »

This thread is for the De Facto, best you start a new thread.

Thanks i will do..

Cafeaulait13 · 14-08-2011 6:42pm

Hi all,

Just wanted to get some info from anyone who has recently gone through the process of getting a defacto visa in Ireland.

A bit of background for you. My boyfriend and I have been together for 3 years (his Irish, I'm Australian). We met in Ireland while I was on a working holiday visa. I applied for a Green Card however this was refused (despite already having a job) so I returned to Australia. Since then we have been in a long distance relationship. We have been preparing to apply for a defacto visa for sometime so we have ample evidence of our relationship. This year we decided to moved to France for 12 months before moving to Ireland to apply for the visa. Having recently checked the website I have a few concerns I'm hoping someone can verify.

1. Despite living together we don't have any documentation to prove this. I was not on the lease in Dublin and we our house sitting if France. Will the evidence we have been enough i.e. phone bills, photos, family photos, numerous holidays to each other, mail sent to one address the list goes on. I have literally kept everything that we could use!

2. We don't have a joint bank account. Will individual bank statements be enough to show as they say it that 'we are both contributing our life financially'?????

3. Can I apply pretty much straight away when we get back to Ireland or will I need permission to remain in the state?

If anyone has any advice that would be great. Like with most people all this visa stuff can be a bit stressful.

Thanks in advance!

Jim2007 · 14-08-2011 8:14pm

I can't really comment on the Irish situation, but I would point out that you will need a visa for France, so you should at least have some official documentation from there to help a long the way...

Jim

Cafeaulait13 · 14-08-2011 8:33pm

Thanks for that Jim We are actually already in France and I'm here on a working holiday visa. At least that visa is sorted

tiffbunny · 24-08-2011 4:21am

Cafeaulait13 wrote: »

1. Despite living together we don't have any documentation to prove this. I was not on the lease in Dublin and we our house sitting if France. Will the evidence we have been enough i.e. phone bills, photos, family photos, numerous holidays to each other, mail sent to one address the list goes on. I have literally kept everything that we could use!

2. We don't have a joint bank account. Will individual bank statements be enough to show as they say it that 'we are both contributing our life financially'?????

3. Can I apply pretty much straight away when we get back to Ireland or will I need permission to remain in the state?

1. This has been addressed repeatedly in the thread-- couples who have basically spent their entire relationship long-distance can and do get issued the De-Facto visa. You don't have to have EVER lived with each other to get the visa, so not being able to prove that you did live together won't hurt your case. That being said, you can always contact your old landlord from when you were leasing in Dublin and ask him/her to write a letter on your behalf, testifying to the both of you living there. Same for neighbors or whomever else in France. Or locals with whom you did business regularly.

It's a fairly subjective criteria, as far as Visa applications go. Don't stress yourself trying to think of it as factually prove the existence of your relationship. Instead, try to provide what I call "evidence of love." They basically just want to see that you and your loving pumpkinbutt (what, everyone doesn't call their significant other this?) actually know and like each other, and that other people have seen evidence of this love too. Pretty simple, really.

2. See point one, and relax a little. Basically, you both need to have a healthy amount of capital in your joint/separate bank statements so that you can deal with expected and unexpected financial hurdles while getting yourselves together. They don't need you to show that you each pay exactly 50% of the bills. I have heard *very unofficially* that you'll want 2000 euro plus in your account/accounts for smoother sailing through the financial section, but again, this was advice from an unofficial (though usually well-informed) source.

3. You can apply straight away after getting back, but you need to make sure you're there legally at the time of application. Meaning, you can't sneak in then claim it's okay for you to be there because your application is being processed. If your "legal" time in the country is almost up, though, you will generally have a bit of grace period while they are processing your app.

Hope this helps.

Cafeaulait13 · 30-08-2011 6:30pm

Thanks for that Janelle.

I think the more you read sometimes the worse it is. It seems there are some success stories and some unsuccessful ones so I guess it highlights that each case gets treated differently.
Do I dare ask where you are getting your information from and is this something you have gone through yourself?

Thanks,

el capitan · 12-09-2011 10:32am

Hi,
Just to let you know. My partner got her Stamp 4 approval letter last friday. We applied mid May while she was on a tourist visa.
We are delighted.

Our situation probably differs a bit from the usual in that we returned to Ireland after been evacuated from Japan after the March 11th earthquake and Tsunami.

When we arrived back we gathered as much documentaion as we could and applied for the defacto relationship status.

We supplied loads of dated photos going back just over two years.
copys of our passport stamps and e tickets showing where we traveled together over the last year and a half.
loads of emails we sent to each other over the duration of our relationship.
Apartment lease with both our names but this was only from 1month before we returned to Ireland.
A parking space lease with both name which was over two years.
As we had no way of getting statements from our japanese banks we opened a joint account in AIB and got a Statement from that account.
I was able to get over 2.5years of payslip from my companys website which was also useful.
We took out health insurance plans with vhi.

It was a long wait but well worth it in the end.

30Min · 19-09-2011 10:26am

Hi there,

Is there an application form or do you just post all your documents off with a cover letter ?

Thanks

sophie4187 · 22-09-2011 9:27am

Nope, no application. All the documents are your application

Hope that helps

30Min · 22-09-2011 1:31pm

Sure does- thanks

FalconXV · 13-10-2011 11:29am

I wrote this on a separate thread but it's also relevant to this topic

I applied for the Defacto leave to remain on September 14. Five weeks ago. They sent me a correspondence letter a day later to say they have received my application. We started going out in March 2009. I met my partner in London and my UK Working Holiday visa expired in September 2009 so I obtained an Irish working holiday permit which lasted for 12 months. I had to go back to Australia in October 2010 as my visa had expired and we hadn't been together for 2 years. The INIS gave me a Stamp 3 permit which meant I couldn't work. She came out to Australia for 3 weeks in March for my cousin's wedding. I stayed in Australia till September this year for family reasons (my cousin and grandma had passed away) and landed back in Ireland. You have to be in the country to apply. The Gards renewed my Stamp 3 for another 12 months while I am waiting for my application. I didn't have any problems with getting back in to the country.

In my application I included

Joint Account details
Bank statements of individual accounts.
Birthday cards
Photos
Letters from my parents and hers
Letter from a former Tuinaste (sp?)
Letter from my previous employer here who is willing to take me back. I was on a Working Holiday permit previously.
Match tickets, holiday schedules, concerts that we attended
Invitations to my cousin's wedding in Australia
Letters to support our application
Photocopies of every page from both passports
Copies of all the GNIB cards I have had (important).
A letter from the VHI saying that I have private health insurance and won't be relying on the HSE for medical care (important)
Pay slips from both parties

Don't forget that your partner is Irish is also applying for the leave to remain so they will do checks on him/her. They will probably reconcile both bank accounts. No doubt there is a police check in there as well to make sure that you are of good character. If you have been involved in community activities such as sport get a letter from your club. Since I got back I spoke to my previous employer and he said he will help me get back in to the company once I get my visa. You will need to show that you have at least 3000 euro in your account to support yourself and aren't relying on social welfare to survive. Remember you aren't applying for an actual visa

Another thing put it in to chronoligical order so it's easier for them to read and I put tabs on each section to show information is in it. They might not read it all as it could be sufficient. Date stamp every photograph as it's proper evidence to show the timeframe you have been together.

yeehang0088 · 08-12-2011 10:56pm

Hi there,

Would we be call for interview while applying de facto visas ? Or do we both have to pick up the visas together if the application is successful ? My boyfriend is working abroad in Dubai, he will come back to Ireland every 4 weeks for couple of weeks but his jobs might end before that. I am Malaysian and my boyfriend is Irish.

FalconXV · 09-12-2011 1:19am

yeehang0088 wrote: »

Hi there,

Would we be call for interview while applying de facto visas ? Or do we both have to pick up the visas together if the application is successful ? My boyfriend is working abroad in Dubai, he will come back to Ireland every 4 weeks for couple of weeks but his jobs might end before that. I am Malaysian and my boyfriend is Irish.

There is no interview during the process. You need to be in the country to apply so he basically needs to submit all his documentation with your application, which I assume he already has done. You both have to be present at the local immigration office when you get your stamp. It's only your passport that gets stamped. It is a Stamp 4 it won't say that you are a defacto in your passport.

yeehang0088 · 11-12-2011 12:08am

Hi,

Thanks for the reply there.

We haven't begin to apply yet actually, just gathering the documents.

I will be coming into Ireland as a tourist, do I need a return flight when going through passport control ?

And any particular questions they might ask when picking up the stamp ?

Thanks.

FalconXV · 13-12-2011 11:02pm

They might ask how long you are staying for. Coming from where you are travelling from it's best to have a return or even a ticket to the UK. They don't ask you any questions when getting the stamp as you have a letter from the GNIB to say your application has been approved. It will take over 6 weeks to get a response from them to say if you have got the visa

battries not included · 13-12-2011 11:07pm

just to add, they (GNIB) can refuse you for a number of reasons, if you are honest and upfront no problem, try lie they will find out maybe not straight away but down the line when you think everything is settled, work, home etc.. then you get a letter in the door...

Just present yourself at your local immigration officer in your area and they might be able to advise, always good to put a face to the application.

best of luck

FalconXV · 13-12-2011 11:19pm

I wouldn't rely on your local immigration gard. Mine didn't have the foggiest about the visa. She was new to the job and only got to know about the application process because I was applying for it. You have to be coherent about your finances. If you present them with a year's worth of statements it will speed up the process. Any form of current insurance details helps

battries not included · 13-12-2011 11:32pm

depending where you live they (immigration officers) can be very helpful in this matter, i speak from personal experience.

send in everything

1) Cover letter explaining the relationship, length of time together, photos, e-mails, future plans, letter and contact details from friends who know you both personally and may receive a call or letter asking to confirm this

2) Work/college references would also help

3) A letter or statement from a person of good character in your community whom you may call upon as a personal referee would help.

4) Show ALL financial statements, BANK/SOCIAL WELFARE/ LOANS/ etc.., i know it is intrusive but they need to weed out people looking to make money out of stamp 4 , again if you honest, no problems

Garda National Immigration Bureau
The Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB) carries out deportations, border control and investigations relating to illegal immigration and human trafficking.

GNIB is based at 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2. It is headed by a Detective Chief Superintendent with a Garda Staff of 2 Detective Superintendents, 4 Detective Inspectors, 24 Detective Sergeants and 180 Detective Gardaí and Gardaí. They are supported by 68 civilian staff.

Registration

All non-nationals who are not citizens of a member State of the European Union, the European Economic Area or Switzerland, must register with An Garda Síochána and at all times have a valid registration certificate in the form of a GNIB Card. The fee for this card is €150 and must be paid by credit card, laser card or bank giro. This fee cannot be paid by cash. You can download an information leaflet about the fees and methods of payment in the Fees Information panel on the right hand side of this page.

If you are residing in the Dublin Metropolitan Region you must register at the GNIB offices at 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2. The registration desk opening hours are:

Monday to Thursday 8.00am to 10.00pm
Friday 8.00am to 4.00pm.
Students will not be registered before 9.00am.

Procedure for renewing your GNIB Card:

Are you residing in the Dublin area?

Renew your card at GNIB, 13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2.

Tel: +353 1 666 9100/1

E-mail: gnib_dv@garda.ie

Are you residing outside the Dublin area?

Renew your card at your local Garda Síochána District Headquarters Station. To find out where your District Headquarters Station is, contact your local Garda Station.

You can also register at Blessington Garda Station, Co. Wicklow and Maynooth Garda Station, Co. Kildare.

FalconXV · 13-12-2011 11:39pm

I wouldn't show any credit card statements and/or loan accounts. It will just show them that you owe money. You shouldn't have social welfare being a non national. You will obviously need foreign bank statements as you are a tourist you can't get an irish bank account.

yeehang0088 · 14-12-2011 12:18am

battries not included wrote: »

depending where you live they (immigration officers) can be very helpful in this matter, i speak from personal experience.

send in everything

1) Cover letter explaining the relationship, length of time together, photos, e-mails, future plans, letter and contact details from friends who know you both personally and may receive a call or letter asking to confirm this

2) Work/college references would also help

3) A letter or statement from a person of good character in your community whom you may call upon as a personal referee would help.

4) Show ALL financial statements, BANK/SOCIAL WELFARE/ LOANS/ etc.., i know it is intrusive but they need to weed out people looking to make money out of stamp 4 , again if you honest, no problems

Can you give list down the documents you have sent ? Thank you very much.

FalconXV · 14-12-2011 12:29am

See my post on the previous page

battries not included · 14-12-2011 12:44am

yeehang0088 wrote: »

battries not included wrote: »

depending where you live they (immigration officers) can be very helpful in this matter, i speak from personal experience.

send in everything

1) Cover letter explaining the relationship, length of time together, photos, e-mails, future plans, letter and contact details from friends who know you both personally and may receive a call or letter asking to confirm this

2) Work/college references would also help

3) A letter or statement from a person of good character in your community whom you may call upon as a personal referee would help.

4) Show ALL financial statements, BANK/SOCIAL WELFARE/ LOANS/ etc.., i know it is intrusive but they need to weed out people looking to make money out of stamp 4 , again if you honest, no problems

Can you give list down the documents you have sent ? Thank you very much.

I sent you a Private Message

TheHulk · 19-03-2012 10:06pm

Hi All,

My girlfriend recently got rejected for this, but she did get permission to stay in Ireland for one year, not allowed to work. It's not ideal but will do for now.

We both have to go to the local immigration office with our passports to get hers stamped. The letter does not give any more detail, what I need to know is if an appointment is needed for this? Or do you just show up there and take a ticket and wait?

We live abroad right now so getting to Dublin is a bit of an inconveniance so I dont to show up and have information missing etc. Can anybody shed any light on if we need an appointment to meet an agent?

Thanks

vikingdub · 19-03-2012 10:24pm

TheHulk wrote: »

Hi All,

My girlfriend recently got rejected for this, but she did get permission to stay in Ireland for one year, not allowed to work. It's not ideal but will do for now.

We both have to go to the local immigration office with our passports to get hers stamped. The letter does not give any more detail, what I need to know is if an appointment is needed for this? Or do you just show up there and take a ticket and wait?

We live abroad right now so getting to Dublin is a bit of an inconveniance so I dont to show up and have information missing etc. Can anybody shed any light on if we need an appointment to meet an agent?

Thanks

How did she get approval for a visa to remain in Ireland when neither of you are living in Ireland.

battries not included · 19-03-2012 10:28pm

TheHulk wrote: »

Hi All,

My girlfriend recently got rejected for this, but she did get permission to stay in Ireland for one year, not allowed to work. It's not ideal but will do for now.

We both have to go to the local immigration office with our passports to get hers stamped. The letter does not give any more detail, what I need to know is if an appointment is needed for this? Or do you just show up there and take a ticket and wait?

We live abroad right now so getting to Dublin is a bit of an inconveniance so I dont to show up and have information missing etc. Can anybody shed any light on if we need an appointment to meet an agent?

Thanks

You ring your local garda station and ask what day/time the immigration officer sits at. Bring your passports and any documents you have from the GNIB.

The immigration officer can pull your details of the database using GNIB number and PPS numbers.

So depending where you live in ireland, ring your local garda station, if you live in dublin i think you have to go to the GNIB office on burgh quay in person with passports.

Best thing to do is go early in the morning around 6am to queue for a ticket at burgh quay immigration office and present yourself at the counter.

battries not included · 19-03-2012 11:31pm

vikingdub wrote: »

How did she get approval for a visa to remain in Ireland when neither of you are living in Ireland.

I was thinking the same thing, not for us to judge but the fact they were out of the country when they applied might have been a concern.

TheHulk · 20-03-2012 12:18am

vikingdub wrote: »

How did she get approval for a visa to remain in Ireland when neither of you are living in Ireland.

Well we do live in Ireland, I'm just on a short work assignment out of the country right now.

Thanks for the info.

FalconXV · 20-03-2012 9:05am

vikingdub wrote: »

How did she get approval for a visa to remain in Ireland when neither of you are living in Ireland.

Based on your circumstances they can give you a 12 month stamp 3. They gave me one when I first go rejected. If you can save and work elsewhere that would be very useful but to sit around in Ireland for another 12 months is soul destroying.

You will need to take the letter and your partner to your local immigration Gard to get the stamp. You will have to pay 150 euro

TheHulk · 20-03-2012 10:03pm

FalconXV wrote: »

Based on your circumstances they can give you a 12 month stamp 3. They gave me one when I first go rejected. If you can save and work elsewhere that would be very useful but to sit around in Ireland for another 12 months is soul destroying.

You will need to take the letter and your partner to your local immigration Gard to get the stamp. You will have to pay 150 euro

By the way Falcon, with the 12 month stamp 3, are you free to come and go from Rep Ireland as you please? Or is it single entry? I've heard some student visas are single entry.

Thanks

FalconXV · 21-03-2012 8:48am

It's multi entry. If your partner is from a visa waiver country (such as Australia, NZ , Canada, US,etc) they will have to let you in anyway. You show your card to the gards at the airport and they will stamp your passport. There has to be a reason why they rejected the app. I would take it to your TD and get advice but don't play hardball as you will have to apply again.

ngana1303 · 28-03-2012 2:35pm

Hello All,

I am an American currently living in Ireland and working towards a PhD. My Irish partner and I will be eligible to apply for the de facto visa in a couple months. I'd rather be working than studying, but does anyone know if it is possible to continue the PhD while on the de facto visa? I'd hate to lose my student visa and not be able to find a good job.

Thanks for the advice.

SEEMagazine · 29-03-2012 11:48am

I've had dealings with the DoJ in the past over issues which have some similarity to the OPs post. I can't say that I was overly encouraged by the speed with which they did anything.

Myself and my fiancee will not be getting married until after Croatia join the EU because I have no wish to explain anything to them to my own Govt...

Of course I face the same problems here as she would there. I'm 'legal' for the time being but the paperwork is convoluted to say the least.

SEEMagazine · 29-03-2012 11:52am

Hmmmm, funny this... My own Embassy just emailed advising that the "defacto" route might actually suffice to extend my stay here...

Of course as I've said elsewhere there are very few Irish in this region... Means the Embassy has more time to dedicate per person (at least I hope).

FalconXV · 31-03-2012 12:55am

Hello All,

I am an American currently living in Ireland and working towards a PhD. My Irish partner and I will be eligible to apply for the de facto visa in a couple months. I'd rather be working than studying, but does anyone know if it is possible to continue the PhD while on the de facto visa? I'd hate to lose my student visa and not be able to find a good job.

Thanks for the advice.

In this instance you would need advice from your local immigration gard and the GNIB. I can't remember what it said in the Stamp 4 letter in regards to taking up or continuing studies. A student visa would normally entitle you to 20 hours a week work maximum. If I was to do a course I would seek advice from the officials. In this economic climate I wouldn't pin your hopes on getting a good job. Having any job is an achievement.

SEEMagazine wrote: »

I've had dealings with the DoJ in the past over issues which have some similarity to the OPs post. I can't say that I was overly encouraged by the speed with which they did anything.

Myself and my fiancee will not be getting married until after Croatia join the EU because I have no wish to explain anything to them to my own Govt...

Of course I face the same problems here as she would there. I'm 'legal' for the time being but the paperwork is convoluted to say the least.

In this case regarding Croatia joining the EU I wouldn't be waiting for that. I haven't heard anything about them or Turkey joining in the next couple of years. Even if Croatia join I don't know if it would full rights or restricted like Romania and Bulgaria in regards to movements within the EU. I am pretty sure being in Ireland for 3 years on a stamp 4 as a spouse will entitle you to apply for Irish citizenship (which will let you apply for a Irish passport). I just have over 2 and a half years before I can apply and that is my aim so I don't have to deal with the GNIB again and will entitle me to work in the UK if I wasn't able to get work here.

Louise66 · 20-11-2012 9:40pm

Hi all!

Im just wondering what happens if you apply on the grounds of a De Facto relationship and you break up...Not planning to but just looking into everything. Is this the same as a civil partnership in the eyes of immigration?

FalconXV · 21-11-2012 2:19am

Louise66 wrote: »

Hi all!

Im just wondering what happens if you apply on the grounds of a De Facto relationship and you break up...Not planning to but just looking into everything. Is this the same as a civil partnership in the eyes of immigration?

There is a blurb on the GNIB/INIS website about it. You are in a spot of difficulty when your visa expires.

pontia · 21-11-2012 2:40am

is this a spoof ?

FalconXV · 21-11-2012 2:52am

Nope read the website. It's a dog's breakfast of a site but it mentions in regards to separation. http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000278

De Facto Relationships

All non-EEA nationals need permission to remain in the State. Permission to remain will be in the form of an endorsement in your passport confirming the conditions and period of time for which you have permission to remain in the State.
De Facto Relationships with an Irish National

Non EEA nationals who wish to remain the State and are in a de facto relationship with an Irish National must be in a position to provide evidence of a durable attested relationship of at least 2 years. The following documents must be provided to General Immigration, INIS, 13-14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2
Copies of current passports of both parties.
Evidence of finances of both parties
Evidence of relationship of at least 2 years duration (i.e. tenancy agreement, utility bills, bank statements, etc)

Subject to the immigration status of the non EEA national permission to remain may granted. This permission will exempt the non EEA National form work permit condition.
The above is not an exhaustive list, and you may be asked for additional documentation in support of your application
De Facto Relationship with non EEA National

Non EEA nationals who wish to remain the State and are in a de-facto relationship with a non EEA national must be in a position to provide evidence of a durable attested relationship of at least 4 years. The following documents must be provided to their General Immigration, INIS, 13-14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2.
Copies of current passports of both parties.
Evidence of finances of both parties
Evidence of relationship of at least 4 years duration (i.e. tenancy agreement, utility bills, bank statements, etc)
History of activities of both parties in the State
Subject to the immigration status of the non EEA national applicant permission to remain may granted.
Should permission to remain be granted on this basis, it does not exempt the person from work permit requirements. In order to take up employment in the State, the non EEA national must be in possession of a valid work permit/green card.
When applying for a work permit/Green Card permit to the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Innovation the non-EEA national must enclose the letter issued by the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service confirming the immigration status based on the partnership.
The above is not an exhaustive list, and you may be asked for additional documentation in support of your application.
What can I do if I have an existing Deportation Order?

Applications from persons with an existing Deportation Order will not be considered. Any applicant who is the subject of a Deportation Order and who wishes to make an application for revocation of the Deportation Order on the basis of their relationship to an Irish national or a non-EEA national, pursuant to Section 3(11) of the Immigration Act, 1999, should send their application to the Repatriation Section at the address below.
Acknowledgement Unit,
Repatriation Section,
Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,
13-14 Burgh Quay,
Dublin 2.

How long will it take to process the application?
Applications can take up to 12 months to process. Applications are dealt with in strict chronological order of receipt.
Can I enter employment while my application is in process?
No. An applicant has no entitlement to enter employment during the application process without the requirement of a Work Permit issued by the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Innovation.
How can I contact the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service regarding the status of my application?
Queries can be made by post. Contact details are listed below.
De Facto Applications,
3rd Floor,
Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,
13-14 Burgh Quay,
Dublin 2.

What happens if my application is approved?
Successful applicants may be granted permission to reside in the State for an initial period of 12 months.
The applicant and his/her Irish national or non- EEA national partner will be required to attend at their local Registration Office to be registered as resident in the State on the basis of being the partner of an Irish National or a non-EEA national.
Details in respect of registration and renewal of registration will be provided in correspondence issued by the Defacto Section.
What are the conditions of my permission granted?
The permission is granted on the basis of genuine evidence of a valid and genuine relationship.
Any misinformation given during the application process will result in the application being refused.
Applicants must be of good character and be in compliance with Irish Law.
There are no rights of retention of residence in the event of separation.
Successful applicants do not have an automatic right to family reunification.

pontia · 21-11-2012 2:57am

if your non eu or even eu that cant offer something we cant source in ireland ie special skills that we need theres no reason to let you in.its not a revolving door.its not accepted anywhere else.shouldent be here

FalconXV · 21-11-2012 3:01am

pontia wrote: »

if your non eu or even eu that cant offer something we cant source in ireland ie special skills that we need theres no reason to let you in.its not a revolving door.its not accepted anywhere else.shouldent be here

That's a completely different visa and nothing to do with defacto relationships. We are discussing permission to remain on the basis of a relationship. If you were applying on a work skills basis you would need to get a green card or work permit. I looked in to sponsorship from my employer when I first got refused and it's difficult to obtain.

pontia · 21-11-2012 3:03am

very much open to scams and fraud,

FalconXV · 21-11-2012 3:18am

Not really it's not like the UK and other visas. Immigration offices are very local and they know who isn't playing by the book (I have been to the immi gard just after they have handed out deportation notices). The permission to remain allows you to work but it's not an official work permit visa and only runs for a year. Plus you have to be in the country to apply. The GNIB take their time in making a decision (can take months) and there is no fee to apply so it isn't a money making racket for the Government.

On the topic of scams this was posted on their website.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Visa%20Scam

LoGiE · 26-11-2012 11:40am

Just thought I'd post this info. The cost of a Stamp 4 has doubled since last Monday. It now costs €300.00 and they will take your fingerprints. Of course there are no signs/notifications whatsoever so the first you'll hear about it is when they ask for your debit card.

I wonder if they'll use the extra cash to improve the service... :rolleyes:

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