Cheating.. See Mod Note in Post 112

LifesaverNiall · 13-06-2011 12:33pm #1

Has anyone been in a room where the examiner has caught someone cheating, or someones phone going off?
I realy wanna see what happens..

has your examiner even been looking for cheaters?.. my examiner seems like he hasnt a clue where he is half the time! But my friends were telling me how there examiners were like checking peoples pencil cases and all!

ronan45 · 13-06-2011 12:38pm

I was scruffed with notes wrote on the plastic inner of the pencil case she looked at them and signalled she saw them, she then just took the contents out and zipped up the case and placed it to one side of the desk IE you dont need to open that again during the exam.

Aoifums · 13-06-2011 12:40pm

The supervisor in the centre beside mine (same room, different centre) was letting a guy out to the bathroom when she saw paper on the floor beneath his desk and she called him back. It was just the letter with his exam number/centre number but she noticed it fairly quickly.

Catacomb · 13-06-2011 12:44pm

LifesaverNiall wrote: »

Has anyone been in a room where the examiner has caught someone cheating, or someones phone going off?
I realy wanna see what happens..

has your examiner even been looking for cheaters?.. my examiner seems like he hasnt a clue where he is half the time! But my friends were telling me how there examiners were like checking peoples pencil cases and all!

no, but our examiner's phone started to ring :rolleyes:, everyone was looking around thinking someone was going to be in deep ****e, until we noticted it wasn't a student's phone then the faces went back to the pages.

YouSerious · 13-06-2011 12:48pm

in our exam hall the examiner told us about 5 times to leave our phones outside. 5 minutes into the exam, a lads phone goes off. Twas pretty funny. she just took it off him, turned it off and gave it back to him!

brownlad · 13-06-2011 12:52pm

some girl in newbridge got caught cheating off her phone .... exams=cancelled

some other dude in celbridge got caught with notes in his pencil case...exams=cancelled!

and apperently if your caught cheating in an sec exam you cant sit an sec exam for 5 years and you have to appear in court:eek:

terryincork · 13-06-2011 12:57pm

I remember last year a few people cheated for most exams and never got caught..examiner wasnt exactly the most aware person in the room..

Monty Burnz · 13-06-2011 1:06pm

terryincork wrote: »

I remember last year a few people cheated for most exams and never got caught..examiner wasnt exactly the most aware person in the room..

It's not really worth the risk, for my money. I'd waste too much mental energy on avoiding getting caught and stressing about it - the net gain would be far too small to justify the risk of disgrace.

terryincork · 13-06-2011 1:13pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not really worth the risk, for my money. I'd waste too much mental energy on avoiding getting caught and stressing about it - the net gain would be far too small to justify the risk of disgrace.

Yeh Im in the same boat as you, 1 in particular I remember basically wrote his whole english paper 2 from cheating..certainly got a good grade!

lisabisa · 13-06-2011 2:04pm

A phone went off in Maths Paper 1 on Friday, and it was the guy beside me. Everyone was staring at me as if it was me, haha. However nothing was done and he continues to bring his phone in

gosplan · 13-06-2011 2:59pm

Not just because it's cheating but I'd advise anyone against it because it's very easy to get caught.

As someone who's been on the examining end of things, it's always really obvious who's cheating. They're the ones who keep looking up to check where you are. When you make eye-contact it gets quite funny.

First they make a really bad attempt to show that they weren't looking at you, they were actually looking around the place in quiet thought. The head goes up in the air, back towards you, over there, the eyes narrow, then ... BANG!! ... the answer comes, show look of affirmation, nod the head and start to write. What model students!

In reality, anyone actually working and thinking has their head down and has no idea whereabouts in the room you are.

Obviously stashing notes in the toilets is another option but however much you can memorise in 60 seconds and take back into the exam isn't worth very much.

spurious · 13-06-2011 3:47pm

Each supervisor writes a report at the end of each exam. The report of suspected cheating may well be in there, along with the seating map and records of when people went to the toilet, so just because no-one was hauled out during an exam doesn't mean they haven't been reported.

looksee · 13-06-2011 3:55pm

Like gosplan I have supervised exams, and it really is quite easy to tell if someone is cheating, the body language, the obvious lack of concentration. And I have caught a couple of people with notes. There are some supervisors that do not pay attention but you would not want to bet on it!

Catacomb · 13-06-2011 4:00pm

gosplan wrote: »

They're the ones who keep looking up to check where you are. When you make eye-contact it gets quite funny.

I hope the good looking supervising examminer women doesn't think I'm chaeting so :P

user1842 · 13-06-2011 4:32pm

I remember when I was in TY I got a job as one of those guys who brings people to the bathroom.

The cheating was so obvious. The amount of notes I removed from the bathrooms each morning was a joke.

One guy actually came out in the middle of the exam to go the bathroom and went to his bag. I asked him what he was doing and he told me to **** off. I kicked his bag out of the way and said if he does not go back into the exam hall I was calling the principle. He did, thank god.

TimeToShine · 13-06-2011 4:38pm

dmclean1842 wrote: »

I remember when I was in TY I got a job as one of those guys who brings people to the bathroom.

The cheating was so obvious. The amount of notes I removed from the bathrooms each morning was a joke.

One guy actually came out in the middle of the exam to go the bathroom and went to his bag. I asked him what he was doing and he told me to **** off. I kicked his bag out of the way and said if he does not go back into the exam hall I was calling the principle. He did, thank god.

I remember in my school when I was in 5th year everyone who did TY and was supervising let their friends in 6th year have a peek at their notes. The whole system is quite flawed tbh, les than 10% of people cheat but still, in the grand scheme of things that can cost someone a grade and perhaps their college place.

lace · 13-06-2011 4:39pm

I've also done the outside attendant job and the amount of people who asked me for answers on the way to the bathroom was ridiculous! Especially because I was younger than the people sitting it. And wouldn't have told them anyway.

People in my school have been caught cheating, and it's usually just the result of that particular exam that gets stricken off. So if it's something like English, Irish or maths they just have to repeat the next year anyways.

CardBordWindow · 13-06-2011 4:45pm

When I was doing my Geography exam a few years back, a guy got caught cheating.......he had a map of France drawn on the back of his hand. Yes, the BACK of his hand.

martyllia · 13-06-2011 4:46pm

in my school there's always a teacher outside the hall,so there's no way you can ask anyone for ans or look at your notes

Desire. · 13-06-2011 4:46pm

brownlad wrote: »

and apperently if your caught cheating in an sec exam you cant sit an sec exam for 5 years and you have to appear in court:eek:

That's not exactly true. Bit of scare-mongering. That is the maximum punishment alright... but it's never actually been given to anyone. It is pretty effective though as most people don't know this.

gosplan wrote: »

First they make a really bad attempt to show that they weren't looking at you, they were actually looking around the place in quiet thought. The head goes up in the air, back towards you, over there, the eyes narrow, then ... BANG!! ... the answer comes, show look of affirmation, nod the head and start to write. What model students!

Haha! That sounds like what I used to do when I would cheat in my Christmas and Summer tests! :pac:

randylonghorn · 13-06-2011 5:16pm

Desire. wrote: »

That is the maximum punishment alright...

It is correct to say that this is the maximum penalty normally applied, and that it certainly isn't applied routinely.

Desire. wrote: »

... but it's never actually been given to anyone.

That, to the best of my knowledge, is not.

For that matter, there are two guys in court at the moment over cheating in the LC a couple of years ago (not something we can discuss in detail at the moment as the case is ongoing).

Desire. · 13-06-2011 5:29pm

randylonghorn wrote: »

That, to the best of my knowledge, is not.

You're probably right. I'm just going on what I heard from a woman on the radio last year when the whole cheating in the Leaving Cert thing was getting plenty of attention because of Boards.

lovelabel · 13-06-2011 5:31pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0615/1224272522104.html

Aoifums · 13-06-2011 5:37pm

gosplan wrote: »

As someone who's been on the examining end of things, it's always really obvious who's cheating. They're the ones who keep looking up to check where you are. When you make eye-contact it gets quite funny.

First they make a really bad attempt to show that they weren't looking at you, they were actually looking around the place in quiet thought. The head goes up in the air, back towards you, over there, the eyes narrow, then ... BANG!! ... the answer comes, show look of affirmation, nod the head and start to write. What model students!

In reality, anyone actually working and thinking has their head down and has no idea whereabouts in the room you are.

That's my exact behaviour in exams

Partially because I'm a little weird about knowing where people are, like if either supervisor come up behind then I get a little freaked out.
I also realised that bringing my pocket watch into an exam looks a little dodgy. Pulling something out of my pocket, looking at it at at leg level and shoving it back in is not a good thing to do in an exam

randylonghorn · 13-06-2011 5:38pm

Oh, I remember it well, lovelabel!

Just to clarify (though I know you weren't implying it) that the case currently before the courts has nothing to do with last year's LC.

Aoifums wrote: »

I also realised that bringing my pocket watch into an exam looks a little dodgy. Pulling something out of my pocket, looking at it at at leg level and shoving it back in is not a good thing to do in an exam

No ... >_>

Just leave it on the desk?

lovelabel · 13-06-2011 5:40pm

Aoifums wrote: »

I also realised that bringing my pocket watch into an exam looks a little dodgy. Pulling something out of my pocket, looking at it at at leg level and shoving it back in is not a good thing to do in an exam

Just leave it on the desk

Aoifums · 13-06-2011 5:42pm

randylonghorn wrote: »

No ... >_>

Just leave it on the desk?

I know :rolleyes: I didn't realise how bad it looked until I got home. I learned my lesson and left it at home since.
Not enough space. And I'm not risking it dropping off the desk. It'll crack and make a noise.

paulmclaughlin · 13-06-2011 5:49pm

dmclean1842 wrote: »

One guy actually came out in the middle of the exam to go the bathroom and went to his bag. I asked him what he was doing and he told me to **** off. I kicked his bag out of the way and said if he does not go back into the exam hall I was calling the principle. He did, thank god.

Mate if you had done that to me...

coffeelover · 13-06-2011 5:50pm

brownlad wrote: »

some girl in newbridge got caught cheating off her phone .... exams=cancelled

some other dude in celbridge got caught with notes in his pencil case...exams=cancelled!

and apperently if your caught cheating in an sec exam you cant sit an sec exam for 5 years and you have to appear in court:eek:

I know someone that was told he couldn't sit an sec exam for 7 years and he couldn't apply for a driving licence etc.. Dunno what became of it in the end.

RMD · 13-06-2011 6:05pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

Mate if you had done that to me...

Oh how hard you are. Spend more time learning and less being an ignorant gobshíte, maybe you wont need to cheat then.

NotExactly · 13-06-2011 6:09pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

Mate if you had done that to me...

Have we found a keyboard gangster on boards? :rolleyes:

unknowntoown · 13-06-2011 6:11pm

RMD wrote: »

Oh how hard you are. Spend more time learning and less being an ignorant gobshíte, maybe you wont need to cheat then.

Hes right though .... if some little..... kicked my bag which had my phone in it id go mad, wheather i was attempting to cheat or not.

back on topic
a phone went off in mine today, person got kicked out for the remainder of the exam, only about 30 mins left, my examminer is of gay genetics

polka dot · 13-06-2011 6:14pm

This isn't in my school but my best friend is attending in another school and told me.

Honours maths, paper 1, last Friday.

This girl ran in literally at the last minute because she got stuck in traffic (tractors guys, they're everywhere) kept her phone (off) in her pocket and sat down to do the exam. 20 minutes in, the supervisor spots the phone-shape in her pocket and immediately cancels the exam. Didn't matter that it was off, nothing. So yep, pretty damn observant!

The girl got an apology from the supervisor at the end and was told that the exam still had to stay cancelled.

RMD · 13-06-2011 6:15pm

unknowntoown wrote: »

Hes right though .... if some little..... kicked my bag which had my phone in it id go mad, wheather i was attempting to cheat or not.

The only reason the bag was kicked was because the person was cheating. If the person wasn't a lazy bollox it wouldn't have happened and the bag wouldn't have been touched.

Don't cheat and your bag wont be kicked, problem solved.

Platinum2010 · 13-06-2011 6:16pm

Call me a snitch if you want but I have no real respect for cheaters.

Fair enough if someone has cheated in their exams and does better than me come august I'll be truly gutted but at least If I get college offers I'll feel that I'll have earned them rather than robbed a deserving person of their place ....

thats just me though I guess

paulmclaughlin · 13-06-2011 6:19pm

RMD wrote: »

Oh how hard you are. Spend more time learning and less being an ignorant gobshíte, maybe you wont need to cheat then.

I'm not cheating, I just don't think it's right to get someone's test cancelled and ruin a year of their life.

lovelabel · 13-06-2011 6:20pm

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Call me a snitch if you want but I have no real respect for cheaters.

Fair enough if someone has cheated in their exams and does better than me come august I'll be truly gutted but at least If I get college offers I'll feel that I'll have earned them rather than robbed a deserving person of their place ....

thats just me though I guess

Totally agree, exactly my view aswell. No time or respect for cheaters

paulmclaughlin · 13-06-2011 6:23pm

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Call me a snitch if you want but I have no real respect for cheaters.

Fair enough if someone has cheated in their exams and does better than me come august I'll be truly gutted but at least If I get college offers I'll feel that I'll have earned them rather than robbed a deserving person of their place ....

While I agree, many who do the Leaving Cert do not go on to college but just need it to fill in their CV?

J_E · 13-06-2011 6:24pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

I'm not cheating, I just don't think it's right to get someone's test cancelled and ruin a year of their life.

Their rules, not yours. It's easy to follow them, and if you don't like them, don't do the exams. Simple as.

lovelabel · 13-06-2011 6:25pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

While I agree, many who do the Leaving Cert do not go on to college but just need it to fill in their CV?

Still no excuse to cheat and get someone elses grade possibly

zuroph · 13-06-2011 6:25pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

I'm not cheating, I just don't think it's right to get someone's test cancelled and ruin a year of their life.

his job is to report it. he didnt get the exam cancelled, the cheater did. he didnt even report it, he just stopped the person from cheating.

Framble · 13-06-2011 6:26pm

I was a supervisor in TY and I brought this guy to the bathroom and when he came out as a joke I said "Were you cheating?" and he was like "Oh my god how did you know?" And I was like "what?" and he was like "what?"... he was a bad cheater. And it was for religion!

Platinum2010 · 13-06-2011 6:27pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

While I agree, many who do the Leaving Cert do not go on to college but just need it to fill in their CV?

Yeah But technically you shouldnt deserve to put it on your CV because it's not through your own hard work you achieved it .
Why not put down *cheated on Leaving cert and got away with it* I wonder will you still be appealing to employ rather than the 14% of the country who are unemployed and didnt cheat?

JamJamJamJam · 13-06-2011 6:28pm

polka dot wrote: »

This isn't in my school but my best friend is attending in another school and told me.

Honours maths, paper 1, last Friday.

This girl ran in literally at the last minute because she got stuck in traffic (tractors guys, they're everywhere) kept her phone (off) in her pocket and sat down to do the exam. 20 minutes in, the supervisor spots the phone-shape in her pocket and immediately cancels the exam. Didn't matter that it was off, nothing. So yep, pretty damn observant!

The girl got an apology from the supervisor at the end and was told that the exam still had to stay cancelled.

I'd flip! :-o

lovelabel · 13-06-2011 6:30pm

IMO it cant be justified and the cheater should not be allowed to get away with it and dishonestly receive a good result because they broke the rules whereas another student who puts in the work may be deprived as a result

Just Like Heaven · 13-06-2011 6:36pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

I just don't think it's right to get someone's test cancelled and ruin a year of their life.

It is completely fair if the person is cheating. The consequences are made very clear if you are caught.

Fbjm · 13-06-2011 6:39pm

Our examiner says a ten minute prayer before every exam, making us late! He hadn't a notion where he is either half the time...

paulmclaughlin · 13-06-2011 6:44pm

Platinum2010 wrote: »

Yeah But technically you shouldnt deserve to put it on your CV because it's not through your own hard work you achieved it .
Why not put down *cheated on Leaving cert and got away with it* I wonder will you still be appealing to employ rather than the 14% of the country who are unemployed and didnt cheat?

But many employers see the Leaving Cert as the bare minimum when it might not even apply to the job the person is applying for? Yet that's one of the main deciding factors. Even if someone is say, not mathematically smart, they should be judged on this when it won't apply?

mpdg · 13-06-2011 6:45pm

Fbjm wrote: »

Our examiner says a ten minute prayer before every exam, making us late! He hadn't a notion where he is either half the time...

That's ridiculous. Have you complained to your principal? If I were in your exam hall before one of the time-pressed exams, I wouldn't have been happy.

paulmclaughlin · 13-06-2011 6:48pm

mpdg wrote: »

That's ridiculous. Have you complained to your principal? If I were in your exam hall before one of the time-pressed exams, I wouldn't have been happy.

Thoroughly agree there.

Platinum2010 · 13-06-2011 6:50pm

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

But many employers see the Leaving Cert as the bare minimum when it might not even apply to the job the person is applying for? Yet that's one of the main deciding factors. Even if someone is say, not mathematically smart, they should be judged on this when it won't apply?

I'm Mathematically challenged and It wont apply really to the job I want but still It shows alot to have the leaving cert
hard work
endurance and strengths

not to mention If you get done for cheating imagine the shame ,
No one in my Family would hire you if you were done for cheating in the leaving ,Why? because it shows your character
It shows your sly and dishonest and un trustworthy
and no employer in the right mind would chose that over someone honest and unemployed with a family to feed

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