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A guy in Cork lost €1,700 to a very sneaky car scam on Done Deal

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  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭ShaunieVW


    This is the chap we met last year at this same house, he had a clio. Apparently taxed, tested and new tyres, we arrived to a **** bucket bald tyres and no discs in the window. When we asked to see these discs he said he would need to see the cash first and let his mother check it out as they had been scammed before and it was her car. Immediately alarm bells went off and we got in the car and left.

    the yard had a large electric sliding gate and I had a funny feeling going in so left my car across the gate so we didn't get trapped in. Looks like our instincts were right so!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Well if its the same place then its steakout time with ip cam on battery and 4g device buried in bushes !!!! ****er has to come back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    You are most likely correct, if this guy is a professional act he will know this little bit of social engineering. Visual cues that are normally associated with officiality, authority or profession subconsciously create a sense of safety in people, while also putting them into a more compliant mental state.

    It's one of the points driven home in safety/prevention training, such as that for fire wardens. Walk in a room full of people wearing a pair of jeans and a shirt, say "everyone please, calmly make your way out using the fire exit!" and everyone will ignore you, keep chatting and so on. Put a vest on, do the same and you get everyone's undivided attention, and you could almost literally make them jump through fire (not a good idea, btw :D).



    This is a big one; I often see "car selling advice" that recommends meeting potential buyers at home - do not do it.

    Cars are by no means rocket science, yet they are relatively complex machinery and most people can't make heads or tails of them. They turn the key and go.

    Things can - and do - go wrong, and people also do not understand that. Sell a car in perfect condition, new owner drives it daily on a really bad road at speed, and a month later a ball joint gives up; You don't want them banging on your door because, in their mind, you sold them a "faulty" car. I heard plenty of these horror stories, so public place is the way to go.




    Watch out what you wish for - in theory, it's a good idea. In practice, it can become even less efficient and/or slower than the post system - being restricted to conduct the transactions at specific, limiting times and so on.

    Also, if things go pear shaped in the long run, there's the potential to make it another money pit - "pay XX Euro for change of ownership". In Italy, to give an extreme case, up until a few years ago you needed no less than a sworn Notary to sign the change of ownership. Price of the operation? No less than 500 Euro...

    I too have read the Art of Deception :-) .. The social engineering bend is definitely in use here and i can see how people let down the guard in this situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭projectgtr


    Tea 1000 wrote: »
    As a buyer though, everyone on here recommends that you meet the person at their house. I've bought cars before at people's house, gives added peace of mind that they're not a scam artist.
    I know with any ED BMW petrol, you absolutely must meet them at their house in the morning before they've started the car, otherwise you're asking for trouble.

    This WAS at the sellers house, they do live there.
    Cops will certainly never do anything where there is a chance of them getting harmed. We must have the only police force that is scared of the criminals.
    I was driving from Limerick back to Ennis on the motorway one evening when I saw 2 figures dressed in black clothes on an overpass aiming some kind of device down the motorway at oncoming cars. The device had a red LED on it. Looked vaguely like a gun, but could have been anything.
    In front of me was a Garda car, so after the bridge I flashed them down, we stopped on the hard should and I walked up to the window to tell them what I've seen.
    Inside were 2 female Gardai, they were quite young. They looked terrified of me, nevermind suspicious persons on the bridge. If a violent criminal came after me, I would have to look after myself, because I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the Gardai's ability to protect me from them.
    Im not surprised by that at all, could only imagine what two new female gardai fresh out of templemore were going to do to two armed guys, they arent equipped to deal with that, on so many levels, surprised they didnt ask you for help :D
    ShaunieVW wrote: »
    This is the chap we met last year at this same house, he had a clio. Apparently taxed, tested and new tyres, we arrived to a **** bucket bald tyres and no discs in the window. When we asked to see these discs he said he would need to see the cash first and let his mother check it out as they had been scammed before and it was her car. Immediately alarm bells went off and we got in the car and left.

    the yard had a large electric sliding gate and I had a funny feeling going in so left my car across the gate so we didn't get trapped in. Looks like our instincts were right so!
    Thats the house allright

    dbit wrote: »
    Well if its the same place then its steakout time with ip cam on battery and 4g device buried in bushes !!!! ****er has to come back.
    theres cameras all over the entrance , if the guards havent done anything at this stage then they never will , this is going on years and the gardai know exactly who they are, best to simply avoid the area and inform people, my niece nearly bought from them last month, thankfully she ask if i could go look at it, as soon as i seen the house i just kept driving and went home, long journey wasted but thank f**k i was there.
    dbit wrote: »
    I too have read the Art of Deception :-) .. The social engineering bend is definitely in use here and i can see how people let down the guard in this situation.
    i can guarantee they have never read that book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭daveville30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins



    Scam? Handing over your money before fully inspecting a car not only makes it possible, but very easy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein



    Great, let's look at this article.
    Many of the cars are clocked and also have no National Car Test discs.

    and
    The security source added: “Gardai know the identities of these people but can’t act as they are selling what is advertised.

    Now let's look at this:

    http://www.consumerhelp.ie/cars-rights-wrong
    It is illegal to sell a clocked car. If you believe you have been sold a clocked car or that the seller misrepresented the mileage you should report this as soon as possible to the Gardaí.

    Who will do fcuk all about it, because you know, those bad guys are a bit iffy looking and Gards are very health and safety conscious. So they stay well away from potentially violent criminals, i.e. not getting paid enough for that sh*t.
    But nevertheless:
    If you think a car has been clocked, you should inform the Gardaí immediately by contacting your local Garda station, and contact us immediately if you have evidence that a car has been clocked. - See more at: http://www.consumerhelp.ie/cars-rights-wrong#sthash.5xhg2Vrk.dpuf

    Ah so. The famous "civil matter", i.e. "go away, eating my sandwich" :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    Since 2014 it is illegal to alter the odometer without lawful reason but I'm not so sure it's actually illegal to sell a clocked car. If the seller is a business you have consumer rights which you can enforce in a civil suit but these rights don't apply to private deals and therefore ineffective against this type of scam even if you could identify the 'seller'. Much of the law surrounding consumer rights is civil law not criminal so not a Garda matter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,494 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    How in the name of Jesus are people that stupid to hand over money before even sitting in the car or even starting it? The mind boggles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,477 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    It's a Corolla.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Look into my eyes, not around the eyes , but in the eyes .............. 3 2 1 ......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,708 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Read this on Joe.ie and it got me thinking, a lot of people calling them stupid for not test driving the car but it could happen anyone, i don't think all the info is there, like who's car was it? when it said the key didn't work, did they mean in the ignition or to enter the car. Anyone else hear of this story?



    "A man in Cork named Benny was the victim of a cruel scam after agreeing to buy a car on Done Deal.
    Benny travelled to Meath to look at a '04 Toyota Corolla he had agreed in principle to buy it for €1,700 after seeing it on the site.
    The person selling it arranged to meet Benny and his daughter, who the car was for, at 10pm near his house in Ashbourne.
    The two arrived at the agreed time and place and met a man wearing a hi-vis vest who showed them the car and everyone was happy with the deal.
    The seller gave the girl a key but said before letting her drive it away, he needed to show his mother the money because "they were almost scammed last week by someone using forged notes".


    The girl walked up to the nearby house and gave your man the money so he could show to his mother. He walked in around the side of the house and was never seen again.
    She ran back to the car to tell her dad what happened and when they tried the key in the Corolla, it didn't fit. No!
    They went up to the house and rang the doorbell, an elderly woman appeared saying she didn't know anything about a car for sale.
    They called the Gardaí and they informed them that similar scams were happening all over the place, they're currently investigating it."
    He was a kerryman living in Cork,,,,,,I hope


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