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Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

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  • #8052
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I've written about this before, some of the cabs enabled simply had a VDSL cabinet plonked beside it and the cabinet itself is still over a km the village and estates that would benefit from it! Who does that benefit, apart from the 30 or so houses within 500m of it?nobody, except eircoms contracted friends over in Shenzhen. This grotesque inefficiency is not something for rural ireland to welcome.

    Furthermore, how can we trust eircoms coverage figures when they spent years misconstruing their ADSL coverage by advertising "lines served by enabled exchanges" rather than the 80% or so that could actually receive a service? 80% of "80% percent of all phone lines" is only 64%.

    I await the governments mapping exercise with great interest.

    Basically, the whole point is moot about even half of rural ireland being served unless these figures can be confirmed or proven in some sort of impartial manner.
    bk wrote: »
    There are roughly 2 million premises in Ireland. That figure includes both homes and business. Eircom are already up to 1 million premises or about 50% of all premises. At 1.6 million premises that will be about 80% of all premises in Ireland.

    Given that Ireland is about 60% urban, that means that 20% represents about half of all rural homes.

    Yes that will leave about half of rural homes without high speed broadband and that will be the hard remaining 20% to do. These premises will likely need to be covered by the National Broadband Scheme, with subsidies from the government and perhaps technology like fibre feed fixed wireless access.



    Well in fairness, until 3 years ago, Eircom never showed any interest in offering high speed broadband to anyone! Yet there seems to have been a titanic shift at Eircom and the rollout of VDSL is one of the fastest and most impressive network rollouts we have ever seen.

    Hopefully this shows us a new Eircom and that when they finish bringing VDSL to the low hanging fruit, that they will continue into rural areas and start using more interesting technology like these micro ISAMS and FTTdp to bring high speed broadband to more rural areas.

    There are already clear signs of them taking rural areas more seriously now with them already installing VDSL cabs in many rural areas and there current plan to hit half of rural homes with VDSL. Times are definitely changing.


  • #8053
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Furthermore, how can we trust eircoms coverage figures when they spent years misconstruing their ADSL coverage by advertising "lines served by enabled exchanges" rather than the 80% or so that could actually receive a service? 80% of "80% percent of all phone lines" is only 64%.

    Eircoms transparency has increased significantly from the old days.

    The numbers of lines capable of getting eFibre and the speeds they can get are all available in Eircoms prequal database.

    This database is visible to Comreg and all the other operators, it is how Vodafone, etc. order and setup new customers.

    So really these figures are confirmed.

    As for Eircom just plonking VDSL cabs at every distribution cab, even if most people aren't close to the cab in a particular rural village. Yes, that sucks, but it also makes sense.

    The distribution cab is the single point where all the lines from the surrounding area converge, thus the place where maximum number of lines can be connected to the VDSL cab.

    If you put the VDSL cab somewhere else, for instance closer to a group of homes, then you have to do very expensive re-routing work to run the lines to this new cab rather then the existing cab. I would imagine that it ends up being much more expensive then just dropping the VDSL cab next ot the existing distribution cab.

    Now I have heard that Eircom have been doing some re-routing in places and put new distribution cabs in place, but I'm not surprised that it isn't being done widely, probably just too costly.

    However this certainly isnt an issue in urban areas and I also doubt it is an issue in the majority of rural areas. Really it just sounds more like you are annoyed because it happened in your own particular village, then it really being a widespread problem.

    Another solution for this other then re-routing, will be for Eircom to run fibre from the VDSL cabs to mini VDSL ISAMs mounted on poles nearer particular housing estates in rural areas. But understandably that is something you would do in later phases once the low hanging fruit is dealt with first.


  • #8054
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,034 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    bk wrote: »

    Another solution for this other then re-routing, will be for Eircom to run fibre from the VDSL cabs to mini VDSL ISAMs mounted on poles nearer particular housing estates in rural areas. But understandably that is something you would do in later phases once the low hanging fruit is dealt with first.

    Eircom also, some years ago, when upgrading/correcting faults, laid underground ducting in some rural areas, from village cabs out to underground distribution points, from where the 'cluster' of home telephone lines were connected.

    Those underground 'cabs' could also be (in the longer term) a fibre distribution point.
    Hopefully there are sufficient numbers of those for Eircom to put a plan in place for their use in this manner.

    Doing so would bring a lot of 'housing clusters' into the 'e-fibre' service area.


  • #8055
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Oh that would be nice Johnboy1951, sounds like a perfect location for 16 and 48 port micro ISAMS.

    One thing though, it might be in peoples interest if Eircom holds off on doing this for a year or two!!

    If Eircom do it today, then they will have to use VDSL ISAMs and thus max speed 100mb/s.

    However the new G.Fast standard is expected to complete in the next few months. If they wait for this to complete, that would mean they could potentially offer speeds of up to 1Gb/s to these customers rather then 100mb/s.

    Just something to think about and maybe a reason why Eircom hasn't rolled out any micro ISAMs yet.


  • #8056
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,034 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    bk wrote: »
    Oh that would be nice Johnboy1951, sounds like a perfect location for 16 and 48 port micro ISAMS.

    One thing though, it might be in peoples interest if Eircom holds off on doing this for a year or two!!

    If Eircom do it today, then they will have to use VDSL ISAMs and thus max speed 100mb/s.

    However the new G.Fast standard is expected to complete in the next few months. If they wait for this to complete, that would mean they could potentially offer speeds of up to 1Gb/s to these customers rather then 100mb/s.

    Just something to think about and maybe a reason why Eircom hasn't rolled out any micro ISAMs yet.

    I honestly do not expect Eircom to even consider such extension until after all the more concentrated centres are fully covered .... and by that I mean small villages :)

    I am particularly interested in this, as I am about 3.5Km from the proposed location of a cab in the nearest village.
    There is an existing cab there to which my tel line goes underground in an Eircom duct.
    The same applies to my neighbour.
    The underground 'cab' is at the boundary of our sites - and actually the duct is through my site rather than outside it.
    They asked to bring it through at the time because outside the site is bedrock.
    So duct and u/ground cab is actually on private land :)

    Anyway, I went looking at houses between mine and the cab in the village.
    All are apparently serviced from an Eircom pole .... but close examination reveals that the wire from the house, comes to the pole and then runs down underground!
    So I reckon all houses at least as far as me are all connected to that village cab via the u/ground ducting.

    As the village will not receive a new (fibre) cab until end of next year probably, there is lots of time for Eircom to get ready to give me 1GB out in the sticks! :D


  • #8057
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    When has comreg or any other third party confirmed the contents of the prequal database and the numbers who can get a VDSL service of some kind or other?And no matter how likely it is that eircom are more transparent, I would still want to see incontrovertible proof of this. This is why im looking forward to the mapping exercise that will be subject to operator AND public scrutiny.

    My point regarding distribution points and CCPs is not that they are a necessary evil but that they were not placed at the edge of the village or the nearest point where the lines converge. On the contrary, I have seen some egregious examples of historical factors and laziness in siteing cabinets within Louth alone which coupled with Huawei's "consultancy" and VDSL site selection, has meant that the VDSL cab serves with complete certainty, either less than 20 lines or else serves 20 lines out of about 200. I would pay good money just to see the lines served by vdsl and the total lines provisioned values for the cabinet DBC 010. And to think there was already an RSU sitting in the damn village for nearly 10 years now and eircom still haven't bothered carrying out the most minimal of rerouting of cables at one manhole. The existing ADSL DSLAM at said rsu has spare capacity too, assuming 192 lines!

    Look what a search just dragged up:
    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057279726/1/#post92009175.

    I wonder if eircom could actually show with rudimentary arithmetic how diverting in-situ cables to a preexisting cabinet with preexisting DSLAM would somehow cost more than a 30k VDSL DSLAM along with having to replace DBC 010's chassis, ESB provision and new copper links between the new VDSL and the cabinet, and the labour to do all that?
    bk wrote: »
    Eircoms transparency has increased significantly from the old days.

    The numbers of lines capable of getting eFibre and the speeds they can get are all available in Eircoms prequal database.

    This database is visible to Comreg and all the other operators, it is how Vodafone, etc. order and setup new customers.

    So really these figures are confirmed.

    As for Eircom just plonking VDSL cabs at every distribution cab, even if most people aren't close to the cab in a particular rural village. Yes, that sucks, but it also makes sense.

    The distribution cab is the single point where all the lines from the surrounding area converge, thus the place where maximum number of lines can be connected to the VDSL cab.

    If you put the VDSL cab somewhere else, for instance closer to a group of homes, then you have to do very expensive re-routing work to run the lines to this new cab rather then the existing cab. I would imagine that it ends up being much more expensive then just dropping the VDSL cab next ot the existing distribution cab.

    Now I have heard that Eircom have been doing some re-routing in places and put new distribution cabs in place, but I'm not surprised that it isn't being done widely, probably just too costly.

    However this certainly isnt an issue in urban areas and I also doubt it is an issue in the majority of rural areas. Really it just sounds more like you are annoyed because it happened in your own particular village, then it really being a widespread problem.

    Another solution for this other then re-routing, will be for Eircom to run fibre from the VDSL cabs to mini VDSL ISAMs mounted on poles nearer particular housing estates in rural areas. But understandably that is something you would do in later phases once the low hanging fruit is dealt with first.

    So what happens if, as the post I linked to implies, eircom cannot reroute customers to nearby exchanges or VDSL cabinets because other operators have existing LLU equipment or plan to install it in the older exchange?

    The implications of this go far beyond Tullyallen.


  • #8058
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    One more point to note about the Tullyallen thread, the RSU in question is actually supplied by single-mode fibre much like many other exchanges were over the course of 1990s and 2000s, contrary to what the eircom responses implied. Certainly NOT microwave.


  • #8059
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Not sure whether people have been following this thread......

    "ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home" (on page 59)

    887 Mbits/sec in Cavan ...WOW!


  • #8060
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Not sure whether people have been following this thread......

    "ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home" (on page 59)

    887 Mbits/sec in Cavan ...WOW!

    Yes but not really relevant to this thread. eFibre is in production now after 2yrs of trials, esb have just started the trial. eFibre rollout to the majority of premises will be done before the ESB go into full scale rollout.


  • #8061
    jaykay2
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭jaykay2


    Folks, I have been following this thread since day one and am finally approaching the end of my wait for eFibre and I have a question that you might be able to help me with.

    One half of the estate I live in got fibre around 12 months ago while the other half have had to wait for a second cab to be upgraded. Work started on this cab over the last month or so, and yesterday we had two eircom vans along with two esb vans working on the fibre cab.

    They did some massive ground work there along with presumably powering the new cab. Can anyone tell me what's left now to be done.

    Do they still have to lay the fibre or is that something that would have been done earlier in the build? Just looking for an indication of how much longer I'm set to be waiting.

    I'm approximately 100m or less from the cab so I'm hoping for a very fast connection.

    Anyway, thanks in advance.


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  • #8062
    _John C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭_John C


    Its hard to say;

    They installed a fibre cab in my estate in June or July and its still not available. The date for my town on the efibre map went from April 2014 to September 2014 to October 2014 and now it says Jan to Mar 2015 !!!!!! Even though there are 6 cabs installed already :(


  • #8063
    jaykay2
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭jaykay2


    _John C wrote: »
    Its hard to say;

    They installed a fibre cab in my estate in June or July and its still not available. The date for my town on the efibre map went from April 2014 to September 2014 to October 2014 and now it says Jan to Mar 2015 !!!!!! Even though there are 6 cabs installed already :(

    That doesn't sound promising. Can only hope they are nearly ready to flip the switch. My cab is one of only 3 planned cabs in my area on the eircom wholesale website, and the only one that is marked blue as in that the build had commenced and completion work is in progress.

    Just hope they don't wait till all 3 are ready before sorting mine out. Would seem like a waste but I guess that wouldn't be any different than your situation.


  • #8064
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Its not the cabs that are the delay really, its the ability to fulfill appointments. Once a cab is rfo they get an influx of orders and have to have teams ready to do installs. That's why cabs aare sitting dormant for ages.


  • #8065
    red_bairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    jaykay2 wrote:
    That doesn't sound promising. Can only hope they are nearly ready to flip the switch. My cab is one of only 3 planned cabs in my area on the eircom wholesale website, and the only one that is marked blue as in that the build had commenced and completion work is in progress.


    Greystones had work started early 2013. Our local cabinet went in and powered by June of last year but it still isn't available to the majority in my estate because of direct fed lines to the Exchange.


    if your housing estate wasn't build around the 70s or so, you might not have to worry.


  • #8066
    chopperbyrne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,041 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    Finally after almost a year of delays I was able to sign up for eFibre in Bunclody yesterday. Installations start from November 5th.


  • #8067
    jaykay2
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭jaykay2


    red_bairn wrote: »
    Greystones had work started early 2013. Our local cabinet went in and powered by June of last year but it still isn't available to the majority in my estate because of direct fed lines to the Exchange.


    if your housing estate wasn't build around the 70s or so, you might not have to worry.

    My estate is only 6 or 7 years old and i am 100% sure I'm connected to the nearby cab.

    Can only hope now I guess. Thanks to all for the info. I will let you know if I get sorted.


  • #8068
    Forest Demon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Forest Demon


    Another month and Eircom pushes efibre another month forward on the efibre map. It was originally supposed to available from June 2014. :mad:


  • #8069
    sparky63
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    Dont think they've just pushed it froward another month. Planning permission for VDSL cabinets, ESB cabinets, Ground works for both, license applications for opening roads to provide ducts, not to mention any objections. Any delays in the above can cause very long delays. Objections to the siting of cabinets can cause major delays.


  • #8070
    raytaxi
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭raytaxi


    I know about problems with cabinets, builder of my estate refused eircom permission to site cab beside existing one :-(
    In fairness to Eircom they got a site and installed cab only problem now is exchange is live with 2 cabs left one been mine with no date for finishing work on it.


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  • #8071
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Is the long term plan to site a DSLAM beside every cabinet in the country?


  • #8072
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Don't think its known yet. Phase 1 up to 1.6mil only includes the current list + echange launched. After that it could go fttdp or a lot more cabs or gfast etc. We'll probably see concurrent gpon too with the next run of VDSL.

    Edit: there's also the question of what happens to RSUs.


  • #8073
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    ED E wrote: »
    Don't think its known yet. Phase 1 up to 1.6mil only includes the current list + echange launched. After that it could go fttdp or a lot more cabs or gfast etc. We'll probably see concurrent gpon too with the next run of VDSL.

    Edit: there's also the question of what happens to RSUs.

    RSU's are being left in situ, as to get rid of them would be unfair advantage to Eircom against LLU's, they'll probably stay there another 10 to 15 years if the regulators get their way..

    for smaller exchanges or RSU's, their exchange area cabinets would be fibred from the next bigger exchange with all the aggregation equipment being housed there....

    but also, as with a lot of RSU's, they are the only cabinet for the area, so this goes back to the idea of cabinetising direct dp's ... although it is financially unviable in some areas ...

    but in these instances, if the exchange area is small enough, the RSU should be able to provide decent ADSL2+ speeds for the interm (card install depending) until Eircom starts focusing on technology for the last mile.


  • #8074
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭jd


    Looks like eircom are starting a rural ftth trial in Belcarra, Mayo.
    http://fibrerollout.ie/fibre-pilot/


  • #8075
    Nolars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nolars


    The fibre pilot involves the build out of super fast fibre optics using Fibre to the Home (FTTH) in the town of Belcarra, Co Mayo. FTTH means that the high-speed fibre cables go directly in to the homes and businesses we have selected for our trial. This provides broadband speeds of up to 150Mb/s.
    In addition to our FTTH trial we hope to upgrade the Belcarra exchange with a technology called VDSL which will allow us to connect up homes and premises within the village which are currently connected directly to the exchange. VDSL (very high speed digital subscriber) provides a faster data transfer up to 50M/bs to homes and premises connected, and is perfect for homes and businesses located close to the exchange.
    Once the pilot is complete those who trialled the FTTH solution will have the option of reverting back to their initial DSL line or if FTTH is commercially available

    So a year to pilot FTTH which will be 150MBS, they will also upgrade the exchange to VDSL which will be 50MPS and then after all that whoever cant afford the FTTH and probably are to far away for VDSL cant resort back to DSL :D

    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/item/16593-eircom-to-trial-fibre-to-th
    Up to 10,000 homes and businesses in Sandyford, Dublin, and Wexford town are set to experience fibre-to-the-home broadband with speeds up to 150Mbps possible, as part of a €20m trial by Eircom.

    So whats the difference?


  • #8076
    Manc Red
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭Manc Red


    jd wrote: »
    Looks like eircom are starting a rural ftth trial in Belcarra, Mayo.
    http://fibrerollout.ie/fibre-pilot/

    Why is it only 150Mb?


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  • #8077
    Manc Red
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭Manc Red


    I'd love to see the amount of customers they have still using the old NGB in "fibre enabled" areas. There's about 10 houses in my area that can still only get the old broadband service. I'm guessing there's a lot more else where as well.


  • #8078
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Nolars wrote: »
    So a year to pilot FTTH which will be 150MBS

    They are only trialling 150mb/s at the moment. They are using the same technology as the ESB GPON, so it should also be capable of up to 1Gb/s
    Nolars wrote: »
    So whats the difference?

    What Eircom are trialling here is how much it costs to install, operate and maintain a FTTH network in a rural area versus the urban trial they already carried out.

    From then end users perspective their should be very little difference between the two trials. But from Eircoms perspective, there should be very big differences bettwen an urban trial and a rural one.

    For instance in method of installation (Fibre on Overhead poles versus in ducts), much further distances (thus more expensive), more exposed to the weather (thus potentially higher maintenance costs), more exposed to farmers shotguns, car crash into a pole, birds sitting on/pecking at fibre wires, etc. rights to cross farmers land, etc.

    With this trial I'm sure Eircom will learn the real cost of doing rural FTTH and will likely use that too potentially cost out future rural FTTH roll outs and potential bids for the National Broadband Plan.


  • #8079
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    A big thing will be training, only a small percentage of the staff can splice fibrelines in case of a break, its a specialist role. To cover a large area they'll need several to maintain service levels in the wilds of winter.


  • #8080
    nilhg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,161 ✭✭✭nilhg


    bk wrote: »
    They are only trialling 150mb/s at the moment. They are using the same technology as the ESB GPON, so it should also be capable of up to 1Gb/s



    What Eircom are trialling here is how much it costs to install, operate and maintain a FTTH network in a rural area versus the urban trial they already carried out.

    From then end users perspective their should be very little difference between the two trials. But from Eircoms perspective, there should be very big differences bettwen an urban trial and a rural one.

    For instance in method of installation (Fibre on Overhead poles versus in ducts), much further distances (thus more expensive), more exposed to the weather (thus potentially higher maintenance costs), more exposed to farmers shotguns, car crash into a pole, birds sitting on/pecking at fibre wires, etc. rights to cross farmers land, etc.

    With this trial I'm sure Eircom will learn the real cost of doing rural FTTH and will likely use that too potentially cost out future rural FTTH roll outs and potential bids for the National Broadband Plan.

    Eircom lines don't cross farmers lands, instead run along roadsides often fouled through trees with branches physically rubbing them which leads to all sorts of maintenance issues. The ESB network on the other hand does cross fields and is meticulously kept clear of any sort of day to day problems, sure big storms occasionally take down lines but that's very much a once off problem.

    You'd have hoped with a national broadband plan in operation (and an update coming) and both ESB and Eircom rolling out fibre either to the curb or to the home, that some sort of coordination or pooling of assets might be taking place, it must make financial sense? Or maybe not, could fibre be cheap enough to be able to run the extra lengths required?


  • #8081
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    IIRC ESB have a blanket way leave to enter land when required, eircom dont have the luxury, would be great if they did.


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  • #8082
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    nilhg wrote: »
    You'd have hoped with a national broadband plan in operation (and an update coming) and both ESB and Eircom rolling out fibre either to the curb or to the home, that some sort of coordination or pooling of assets might be taking place, it must make financial sense? Or maybe not, could fibre be cheap enough to be able to run the extra lengths required?

    I think it maybe better to have your own, potentially duplicated network certainly in urban areas.

    I don't know that for a fact, but my thinking goes:

    It is better to have your own network, even if it is duplicated and only get 50% of the potential customers, versus using another companies network and just being a reseller on their network with minimal profit margins.

    However I do hope that they don't target the same areas at the same time and instead build out their networks from different locations.

    However I'm delighted to see that Eircoms FTTH is also open to be used by other companies, similar to VDSL and ADSL. All very good news, things are looking up.


  • #8083
    NextYearIthink
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭NextYearIthink


    Well, after 1 year and 5 months of waiting, I checked the availability site again this morning, as I have done on almost a daily basis for the last 17 months, and finally it tells me that it is available to order.....so I went ahead and rang Eircom, but they advised that it's not available to order until November 12th.....still, I am a step closer :o)

    Although I've noticed that apparently I can order it on their website, so I will go ahead and give that a go to see what happens


  • #8084
    dalta5billion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭dalta5billion


    NextYearIthink wrote: »
    Well, after 1 year and 5 months of waiting, I checked the availability site again this morning, as I have done on almost a daily basis for the last 17 months, and finally it tells me that it is available to order.....so I went ahead and rang Eircom, but they advised that it's not available to order until November 12th.....still, I am a step closer :o)

    Although I've noticed that apparently I can order it on their website, so I will go ahead and give that a go to see what happens

    I preordered on their website, they lost my order. Wouldn't recommend as it won't be any quicker than ringing them up on the 12th.


  • #8085
    BigMoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    Likewise - I preordered during the 2 week "live but not accepting orders" period and they lost it. Ordered again on the actual day and got a quick installation.


  • #8086
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    How long were you all waiting from when the nearest cabinet/the cabinet you are connected to went live/allowed you to place an order ? I'm In Clontarf in Dublin and the cabs have only started to be put in. The one on my road has been completed about 3-4 weeks ago.

    Thanks...


  • #8087
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    Six months.... and counting.


  • #8088
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Slick50 wrote: »
    Six months.... and counting.

    6 months after the cab was installed and you are still waiting?! Fooking hell!!


  • #8089
    BigMoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭BigMoose


    Think mine was about 2 months after it was physically installed until it went live, then the 2 week period before they'll actually take orders.


  • #8090
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    6 months after the cab was installed and you are still waiting?! Fooking hell!!
    My sentiment exactly. The web site says my 'area' is fibre enabled, just not available at my address, yet.


  • #8091
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    my local cba got the extra hat on top.


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  • #8092
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Slick50 wrote: »
    My sentiment exactly. The web site says my 'area' is fibre enabled, just not available at my address, yet.

    Yeah, same here! A few cabs in my area are green/live alright as per the Eircomwholesale map but there are still a few more to be installed.


  • #8093
    Slick50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Slick50


    I was just checking Eircom's boards forum, it doesn't look very encouraging. I came across this.


  • #8094
    red_bairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    Slick50 wrote: »
    I was just checking Eircom's boards forum, it doesn't look very encouraging. I came across this.
    notahappycamper wrote: »
    6 months after the cab was installed and you are still waiting?! Fooking hell!!

    Still waiting...


  • #8095
    Its Only Ray Parlour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Its Only Ray Parlour


    red_bairn wrote: »
    Still waiting...

    What map is that?


  • #8096
    red_bairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »
    What map is that?

    From the Mapping Thread:

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1M_lYcvMkt7xIqqSa43TdS1s25oRqtA2JgpxAkYM#map:id=4


  • #8097
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »
    What map is that?

    Ah jaysus! I wonder how they are deciding how long after the cabs are installed they are going live and when people can place orders??


  • #8098
    kaizersoze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    First cab in Ballinasloe was installed nearly 14 months ago. It still isn't live even though it's fibred and powered.
    Others installed since are live, some quicker than others.


  • #8099
    sparky63
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    ED E wrote: »
    IIRC ESB have a blanket way leave to enter land when required, eircom dont have the luxury, would be great if they did.

    Eircom have wayleaves to access and maintain plant on land when required.


  • #8100
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    sparky63 wrote: »
    Eircom have wayleaves to access and maintain plant on land when required.

    Yeah, but the access network still follows prublic property the vast majority of the time and even replacing an in situe cabinet requires planning permission.


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  • #8101
    arctan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 354 ✭✭arctan


    sparky63 wrote: »
    Eircom have wayleaves to access and maintain plant on land when required.

    It's still at the discretion of the landowner at the time, even though technically there is wayleave...

    numerous times I've had to get off site because someone didn't want me working on their land or premises.


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