Galway West General Election

johngalway · 26-02-2011 9:41pm

snowstreams wrote: »

How come Grealish is so popular considering he was part of the former government and PDs who ruined the country?
Also since he is independent now he wont be able to have any power at all?
What has he done to be so popular?

Old PD vote?

snowstreams · 26-02-2011 9:47pm

johngalway wrote: »

Old PD vote?

The old PD vote is hardly that big, but maybe it is. All the other PDs pretty much lost their backing so i didnt think that was it.
I suppose he is better than some of the other possibilities that could have happened!

ei.sdraob · 26-02-2011 9:50pm

snowstreams wrote: »

How come Grealish is so popular considering he was part of the former government and PDs who ruined the country?
Also since he is independent now he wont be able to have any power at all?
What has he done to be so popular?

He promised a Claregalway bypass (again)...

Good question considering how dismal his Dail record is.

Iwannahurl · 26-02-2011 9:54pm

snowstreams wrote: »

How come Grealish is so popular considering he was part of the former government and PDs who ruined the country?
Also since he is independent now he wont be able to have any power at all?
What has he done to be so popular?

Ask the people of Carnmore and environs! Apparently the ballot boxes coming out of that neck of the woods were stuffed with Grealish number ones. There must be a new gold-plated parish pump or something in the village...

snowstreams · 26-02-2011 9:57pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

He promised a Claregalway bypass (again)...

Good question considering how dismal his Dail record is.

Well he sure wont be getting Claregalway anything now being in opposition! Even though the m18 has gone on hold.

ei.sdraob · 26-02-2011 10:00pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

There must be a new gold-plated parish pump or something in the village...

There is alot of people with Grealish as surname in Carnmore :P

Hell he wasnt even good enough to fix the potholes in the area, so one has to wonder

Dan_Solo · 26-02-2011 10:05pm

snowstreams wrote: »

How come Grealish is so popular considering he was part of the former government and PDs who ruined the country?
Also since he is independent now he wont be able to have any power at all?
What has he done to be so popular?

Who will I vote for?
Oh, that Noel Grealish sounds familiar... and he's not in Fianna Fail... that's my number one decided then...
:rolleyes:

26-02-2011 11:11pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Ask the people of Carnmore and environs! Apparently the ballot boxes coming out of that neck of the woods were stuffed with Grealish number ones. There must be a new gold-plated parish pump or something in the village...

The pump down my end of Claregalway was stolen a few years ago

I don't understand the vote either - disaffected FF? He was the only big candidate from that area.
He did have an ad with the former PD local candidates backing him.

doubleglaze · 27-02-2011 12:54am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Healy Eames will be ELIMINATED around the 7th count, she will not pick up enough transfers to avoid elimination BEFORE KYNE. How clear do I have to make it. I have seen the key #2 vote tallies. Welby alone will give Kyne around 1700 transfers.

Back to the Senate she goes so

Keeping an eye on this prediction. We are getting close to the 7th count...

celty · 27-02-2011 1:00am

I'm also incredulous at Grealish's vote. He is an ex-PD who propped up an awful Government for too long, but I guess the fact that he 'pulled the plug' slightly before the Greens has given him a bit of a mandate.

At the end of the day, he's the 'old style' type of TD we'd be better rid of. Only spoke in the last Dail three times and spends most of his time working for the locals in Carnmore, rather than worrying about national issues. Not quite the Jackie Healy Rea of Galway and not quite the same 'cute hoor', but some people still vote for people because they are 'sound', a neighbour, fixed a pothole, etc.

I'm glad Fahey and Crowe did so badly and it would round off a great day if the egotistical FHE doesn't make it in either. She was my least favourite of the four FG candidates.

Fair play to Nolan, after all the speculation that he wouldn't capture the 'Michael D. vote'.

johngalway · 27-02-2011 1:07am

Dev Óg was just on RTE. Reckoned it'll pan out as (not in order):

1 Lab, 1 FF, 2 FG, 1 Grealish.

PomBear · 27-02-2011 1:47am

Anyone know what time leisureland opens at Tomorrow?

Sponge Bob · 27-02-2011 1:52am

Once Welbys votes are distributed the FG totals will look like

FHE 5400
Kyne 5900
Naughton 4000
Walsh 5900

Fahey is eliminated next, not much change but O Cuiv elected. Then Naughton is eliminated.

Word is that Walsh will do very well there propelling him well past 7000 , FHE is not expected to outdo Kyne by 500 votes out of that distribution.

O Clochartaigh gets eliminated benefitting Kyne more than FHE ( but neither by much) and Connolly more than either with Connolly possibly going past all of FG bar Walsh at that point.

Then Healy Eames says bye byes and Walsh goes very close to election...but maybe not quite. Kyne will get the second FG seat if indeed they get one.

Last seat between Kyne and Connolly. I still think Connolly will shade it. It is very possible that only O Cuiv will reach the quota and that the last four are elected without a quota on the last count.

Also note that Grealish will pick up most of O Cuivs surplus of around 1000 and that will get him over the magic 8000 mark. I think that 8000 or so will get a seat.....but will Kyne or Connolly make it ???

celty · 27-02-2011 3:09am

PomBear wrote: »

Anyone know what time leisureland opens at Tomorrow?

9am. Amazing how Galway West seems to come up with a very looooooong count every election.

InTheTrees · 27-02-2011 3:16am

celty wrote: »

9am. Amazing how Galway West seems to come up with a very looooooong count every election.

9am?

Thats so early. And on a Sunday morning. Such dedication is admirable, I wouldnt have expected them to show up until early afternoon.

(they probably wont show up until early afternoon anyway...)

Benbecul97 · 27-02-2011 3:38am

With counting adjourned, where are those figures coming from???

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 11:54am

O'Cuiv did'nt seem too happy about Nolan beating him to first preferences last night, people seemingly voted for O'Cuiv because he's "Good for Connemara" and "he's not the worst" even though he is part of a party that destroyed Ireland for years to come, what they don't seem to realise is the fact that he will not be in power this time and will be absolutely useless in opposition so Connemara will gain nothing from electing him

Nolan - fair play to him for proving doubters wrong, a new face in politics which hopefully will have a similar impact to Michael D

Walsh seems to have topped the FG vote because he is from Mervue and he is smiling on on his poster (Going by what I have heard)

Grealish will get in because of local issues, he has no proper policies and his canvassers quote stupid things like "anti-government" and "creating jobs" without any explanation as to why or how, do people not realise he is part of the former government

Healy Eames is great at pointing at stuff without having any purpose, I honestly have no idea what she could add if elected

Connolly - Even though she can be annoying, she is still a very good politician and would be great in opposition, she seems to honestly represent the people and is the proper voice for the working class (I hate classing people) of Galway, I can't believe that some people would rather Fahey or Grealish, to me this shows how narrow minded and one issue politics that the people of Galway are into

Kyne - Don't know much about him, the connemara FG candidate

Overall nothing much has changed, Two out of the three sitting politicians to be re-elected (O'Cuiv, Grealish), Nolan to replace the outgoing Michael D, Walsh to replace the outgoing McCormack and just Frankeens seat up for grabs, Shame on you Galway West

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 12:01pm

Judging by your username, post and time of joining I would wager you are a Connolly canvasser

I read her leaflet, got help us if she gets elected, the woman has no clue and makes SF looks good

johngalway · 27-02-2011 12:05pm

Quoting myself from an earlier post in Galway City forum.

johngalway wrote: »

Radio 1 just done GW. They say FG confident they can get two seats, but that there's 200 or less votes between Kyne & FHE. Connolly camp say they need heavy transfers from SF, but Kyne also expected to get transfers from SF due to both being in Connemara (and I'll add my own thinking that Kyne being a farmer(?)/REPS planner won't hurt him in that regard).

Edit: That I may have misheard, the 200 number may be between Kyne & Connolly, I can't be 100% from recollection.

ArtSmart · 27-02-2011 12:07pm

johngalway wrote: »

Quoting myself from an earlier post in Galway City forum.

Edit: That I may have misheard, the 200 number may be between Kyne & Connolly, I can't be 100% from recollection.

no, it's between Kyne and FHE. not looking good for Connolly.

ArtSmart · 27-02-2011 12:14pm

but also 200 tween connolly and kynes! but transfers prob will bring in kynes

(personally i think connolly will shade it by 40 votes

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 12:14pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Judging by your username, post and time of joining I would wager you are a Connolly canvasser

I read her leaflet, got help us if she gets elected, the woman has no clue and makes SF looks good

I have nothing to do with Connolly, I did vote for her but thats it, SF will be a great opposition party too, the user name is reference to a yet to be released song by Damien Dempsey which I have heard and happen to agree with and like, I can only assume you are someone who has something to gain from a right wing government judging by your posts, are you a businessman by any chance?

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 12:17pm

If this is not the most wishy washy leaflet / policy document in the whole election?

For the "common good" eh :rolleyes:

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 12:17pm

ArtSmart wrote: »

but also 200 tween connolly and kynes! but transfers prob will bring in kynes

(personally i think connolly will shade it by 40 votes

Connolly will probably get the majority of SF transfers I'd imagine which will put her a good position, it will be tight though

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 12:19pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

If this is not the most wishy washy leaflet / policy document in the whole election?

For the "common good" eh :rolleyes:

Roly eyes doesn't make your point anymore valid eh :rolleyes:

Independents leaflets are always going to be vague, it is well known around Galway from talks that she has been involved in that she is the proper left wing candidate for Galway (Bar Sinn Fein)

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 12:25pm

We Need Community wrote: »

Roly eyes doesn't make your point anymore valid eh :rolleyes:

Did you even read her "policies" before voting?

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 12:33pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

If this is not the most wishy washy leaflet / policy document in the whole election?

For the "common good" eh :rolleyes:

What exactly is your problem with the "common good"?

Ideology? Bad copy for an election leaflet?

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 12:37pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

What exactly is your problem with the "common good"?

Ideology? Bad copy for an election leaflet?

The leaflet contains a lot of wishy washy points and nothing concrete
lets say she gets elected what will you use to hold her accountable, her vague policies?

same criticism goes to Noel Grealish btw, what exactly are his policies?

what is it with Galwegians voting for dismal politicians? On the bright side at least Frank and Niall are gone

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 12:38pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Did you even read her "policies" before voting?

Of course I did, I read through the majority of Galway West candidates "policies" as you call them

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 12:41pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

The leaflet contains a lot of wishy washy points and nothing concrete
lets say she gets elected what will you use to hold her accountable, her vague policies?

same criticism goes to Noel Grealish btw, what exactly are his policies?

what is it with Galwegians voting for dismal politicians? On the bright side at least Frank and Niall are gone

So is it your opinion that the fundamental problem is with independent candidates?

May I take it that you are not against the "common good" as a general principle?

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 12:42pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

So is it your opinion that the fundamental problem is with independent candidates?

May I take it that you are not against the "common good" as a general principle?

Go ahead define "common good"

Pure Sound · 27-02-2011 12:44pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

The leaflet contains a lot of wishy washy points and nothing concrete
lets say she gets elected what will you use to hold her accountable, her vague policies?

same criticism goes to Noel Grealish btw, what exactly are his policies?

what is it with Galwegians voting for dismal politicians? On the bright side at least Frank and Niall are gone

Most Independents policies are vague no matter where you go, What are the policies you have come across that are concrete, they are all just talking idealogically, Catherine Connollys behind the scenes stuff is what convinced me

Keylem · 27-02-2011 12:49pm

Connolly ahead of Kyne by roughly 200 votes. Naughton's 5497 votes are now being distributed!

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 12:57pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Go ahead define "common good"

I asked you first!

I'm not trying to argue by just posing questions. I'm trying to understand your perspective.

You were the one that raised objections to the term "common good". They are two familiar English words -- what do they mean to you? What do you think Connolly might have in mind?

And to repeat my earlier question: is it your opinion that the fundamental problem is with independent candidates?

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 1:03pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I asked you first! I'm not trying to argue by just posing questions. I'm trying to understand your perspective.

You were the one that raised objections to the term "common good". They are two familiar English words -- what do they mean to you? What do you think Connolly might have in mind?

And to repeat my earlier questions:

So is it your opinion that the fundamental problem is with independent candidates?

May I take it that you are not against the "common good" as a general principle?

Thats the thing, it means sweet f all, its a vague line based on fuzzy policy leaflet, I would go as far as saying it is insulting of the intelligence of voters (tho Galway voters are a special breed :P as illustrated by past history)

One thing that I hoped people would have learned in this election is to:
* scrutinize the candidates and question them
* hold them accountable if elected based on their promises

How do you scrutinize someone who is coming up with wishy washy crap like "common good"? is she a socialist of some sort or more of a religious candidate?? why is she focusing solely on local issues when running for national parliament (damn it we dont need another Healy-Rae)?

more importantly if she is elected what will you use to hold her accountable with?

damnit people have no lessons been learned.

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 1:10pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Thats the thing, it means sweet f all, its a vague line based on fuzzy policy leaflet, I would go as far as saying it is insulting of the intelligence of voters (tho Galway voters are a special breed :P as illustrated by past history)

One thing that I hoped people would have learned in this election is to:
* scrutinize the candidates and question them
* hold them accountable if elected based on their promises

How do you scrutinize someone who is coming up with wishy washy crap like "common good"? is she a socialist of some sort or more of a religious candidate?? why is she focusing solely on local issues when running for national parliament (damn it we dont need another Healy-Rae)?

more importantly if she is elected what will you use to hold her accountable with?

damnit people have no lessons been learned.

You're not answering my questions! You'd make a good politician...

The words 'common good' do have meaning, though apparently not to you. Which says something about you (I'm not sure what) not about that commonly used term.

What lessons have you learned, and how did you apply them in the current election?

ei.sdraob · 27-02-2011 1:11pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

You're not answering my questions! You'd make a good politician...

The words 'common good' do have meaning, though apparently not to you. Which says something about you (I'm not sure what) not about that commonly used term.

What lessons have you learned, and how did you apply them in the current election?

Did you read the post you replied to?

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 1:15pm

What did you conclude, and how did you act, based on your scrutiny of the candidates?

BTW, are you seriously suggesting that Connolly and Healy Rae are compatible bedfellows?

EDIT: reading between the lines, I presume you are an intelligent voter and not one of that "special breed" of Galway voter...

Black Swan · 27-02-2011 1:16pm

REMINDER...
Please be advised that a few of the above posts are becoming a bit too personal. Please focus on the content of posts, and not each other.
Thanks, Black Swan

Iwannahurl · 27-02-2011 1:21pm

Black Swan wrote: »

REMINDER...
Please be advised that a few of the above posts are becoming a bit too personal. Please focus on the content of posts, and not each other.
Thanks, Black Swan

No worries. For the record, I am just trying to question assumptions and elicit some information about underlying ideology/politics.

It's not enough IMO just to make sweeping statements about candidates or the people who may vote for them.

johngalway · 27-02-2011 2:14pm

Odds against Connolly winning the final seat lengthening considerably according to Jim Fahy on RTE just now.

Dog fight between FHE & Kyne.

Am not going to have any finger nails left soon..........

Fine Gaels candidates FHE on 6725 and Sean Kyne on 6651 on the 8th count.

SF candidate to be eliminated next I believe. He got a lot of support from Connemara, Kyne is also a Connemara based councillor.

Keylem · 27-02-2011 2:21pm

Looks like it'll be a battle between FDH and Sean Kyne for the last seat. Connolly slipping down!

johngalway · 27-02-2011 3:17pm

Count 9

FHE 6814
Kyne 6735
CC 6573

Keylem · 27-02-2011 3:23pm

johngalway wrote: »

Count 9

FHE 6814
Kyne 6735
CC 6573

79 votes between top two - very close!

johngalway · 27-02-2011 3:24pm

Kyne didn't do as well out of that last count as I'd thought. (I presume that was the distribution of SF transfers).

CrowdedHouse · 27-02-2011 3:35pm

No - Cuiv surplus

johngalway · 27-02-2011 3:38pm

Ah, thanks CH.

Keylem · 27-02-2011 3:48pm

It's possible Connolly could benefit greatly from SF transfers!

Adrian009 · 27-02-2011 3:55pm

Keylem wrote: »

It's possible Connolly could benefit greatly from SF transfers!

Maybe, though SF are still transfer-repellent. This election could change that.

ArtSmart · 27-02-2011 4:06pm

Adrian009 wrote: »

Maybe, though SF are still transfer-repellent. This election could change that.

from a policy viewpoint connolly should do well from SF transfers this time round. certainly more so than Kyne and FHE

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