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Ferox Primary Food Not Genetics

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    BoarHunter wrote: »
    when the fish reach a certain size you have to consider the ratio : Energy spent to catch < energy provided by the meal . A big Trout will consider more hunting for easy fish preys than spending the whole day rising for small insects... that just doesn't worth it from their perspective.

    therefore the fish that intend to catch bigger preys will go and find them deeper and as they change their diet their flesh and colour will also change. I suppose that their cortex evolve differently than other trouts from their diet.

    this of course influence the genetic IMHO and i wouldn't know the single clue about why some fish change and some other don't.

    As DFF says all dogs come from one single species of wolf ...

    A lot of artificial selection especially in the last 300 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    coolwings wrote: »
    The Great Lakes have always had large trout and salmon, not due to good spawning inflowing streams, but grown on from enormous quantities of stocked fry.

    mmmm enormous quantities of stocked fry, therefore artificially force fed, don’t think that is my thing…….its a bit like carp fishing where carp fisheries are filled with tons of high protein bait to feed the fish up to un-naturally looking over sized forced fed fish…they look obese…rainbow trout fed on pellets, god knows what the pellets really contain…..farm salmon feeding them on a concoction of chemicals….chickens forced fed toxic water etc… people are eating that stuff and wondering why they get seriously ill…..all of that is too much for me I would rather catch one wild fish than 10 force fed fish….maybe i am too old fashioned.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 3,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭coolwings


    Well it's a sea fishing scene.
    If you look at the Irish sea, a vast area, and want to catch sea trout, which only spawn in the inflowing rivers, then you must accept that the wild spawning of sea trout is only sufficient to provide sea trout fishing in the rivers themselves, and in the coastal areas right along the nearby shore.
    the spawning is appropriate for that much stock.

    But the Great Lakes are like several Irish seas made of freshwater, If you are prepared to think bigger, and ban trawlers, then you could say, what if we stock enough fry to put sea trout all over the Irish sea? For when the sea trout are off lets also put in Chinook (to 50lbs) and Atlantic salmon (to 30lbs), and steelhead rainbows (lake and stream fishing), and brown trout (same) wouldn't that be game fishing over a vast area, and jobs for hundreds of thousands more people, and think of the fishing, tackle, boatmaking, engine sales and servicing, food, and tourism industries that would thrive around a game fishing lake the size of the Irish sea. The size of such a recreational fishery is mind boggling, and they have several in those lakes. They stock fry not big fed fish.
    You have to imagine brown trout hunting and feeding on herring/mackerel shoals (the shad) to get an idea of where the growth rates come from.
    Check it out. They have the worlds best trout and salmon fishing, not thousands of miles away in Alaska but situated right beside big cities, and the fish were stocked no bigger than fry. The fish that run the spawning streams in autumn are enormous.

    Would you be curious about making the Irish sea into a Corrib/Mask type fishery with boat launches at Dublin, Dundalk, Wexford, Cork and Belfast and places inbetween and full with fish the size of that, and all publicly available with your state license, not private?

    That's what they have got. I wouldn't knock it until I try it! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    coolwings wrote: »
    Well it's a sea fishing scene.
    If you look at the Irish sea, a vast area, and want to catch sea trout, which only spawn in the inflowing rivers, then you must accept that the wild spawning of sea trout is only sufficient to provide sea trout fishing in the rivers themselves, and in the coastal areas right along the nearby shore.
    the spawning is appropriate for that much stock.

    But the Great Lakes are like several Irish seas made of freshwater, If you are prepared to think bigger, and ban trawlers, then you could say, what if we stock enough fry to put sea trout all over the Irish sea? For when the sea trout are off lets also put in Chinook (to 50lbs) and Atlantic salmon (to 30lbs), and steelhead rainbows (lake and stream fishing), and brown trout (same) wouldn't that be game fishing over a vast area, and jobs for hundreds of thousands more people, and think of the fishing, tackle, boatmaking, engine sales and servicing, food, and tourism industries that would thrive around a game fishing lake the size of the Irish sea. The size of such a recreational fishery is mind boggling, and they have several in those lakes. They stock fry not big fed fish.
    You have to imagine brown trout hunting and feeding on herring/mackerel shoals (the shad) to get an idea of where the growth rates come from.
    Check it out. They have the worlds best trout and salmon fishing, not thousands of miles away in Alaska but situated right beside big cities, and the fish were stocked no bigger than fry. The fish that run the spawning streams in autumn are enormous.

    Would you be curious about making the Irish sea into a Corrib/Mask type fishery with boat launches at Dublin, Dundalk, Wexford, Cork and Belfast and places inbetween and full with fish the size of that, and all publicly available with your state license, not private?

    That's what they have got. I wouldn't knock it until I try it! :)

    interesting post....but i don't think its the size of the lakes that matter??? just that they are better managed, yes no? you are 100% about the economic benefits of such fish 'Engineering' there is no doubt about that...for a angler who prefers wild fisheries it might not be the most appealing, but each to their own and i am not knocking their systems, i fished over there and the fisheries are so well managed compared to here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    what is the down side to our natural fish stock if we did what the USA did?

    i think if we did the same as them we would have a huge problem....

    i would say all our natural seatrout would be gobbled up and all our salmon smolts..

    disaster.....

    dont mess with what is already natural... just help it get healthy again...

    USA only do that rubbish cus they like everything obnoxiously big and are greedy... and never had a wild fishery like Ireland


    and if you want to fish for an amazing fighter in the sea go after BASS ... they are one of the best fish to eat and there is enough around to support rod fishing only...

    Bass fight well above there weight...

    Try it on the spinn or fly... bass in my book are up there with seatrout for the fight they put up....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    never had a wild fishery like Ireland[/COLOR]

    i would not be too sure about that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    i would not be too sure about that


    where in the USA do you have a similar fishery in a 100 mile radius from the centre of the country...

    i know of none...

    hop in the car and go anywhere in ireland and your there on the river....

    in america you have to hop on a plane... to get to places like you see in ireland...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭BoarHunter


    I fished a bit in the US and i can say that fishery management is at least a century ahead of ireland without looking for an argument here. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    BoarHunter wrote: »
    I fished a bit in the US and i can say that fishery management is at least a century ahead of ireland without looking for an argument here. ;)

    in what way?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    in what way?

    it would take a long long time to reply to that question, have you ever fished in north america? canada or US? if so you know the answers already, if not you should go over sometime....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    it would take a long long time to reply to that question, have you ever fished in north america? canada or US? if so you know the answers already, if not you should go over sometime....

    yea but i got to travell ages to get to the spot... lol:)

    you going to pay my flights...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭ironbluedun


    you going to pay my flights...


    a 1 way ticket...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    what is the down side to our natural fish stock if we did what the USA did?

    i think if we did the same as them we would have a huge problem....

    i would say all our natural seatrout would be gobbled up and all our salmon smolts..

    disaster.....

    dont mess with what is already natural... just help it get healthy again...

    USA only do that rubbish cus they like everything obnoxiously big and are greedy... and never had a wild fishery like Ireland


    and if you want to fish for an amazing fighter in the sea go after BASS ... they are one of the best fish to eat and there is enough around to support rod fishing only...

    Bass fight well above there weight...

    Try it on the spinn or fly... bass in my book are up there with seatrout for the fight they put up....

    Yellowstone Park, Zion Park, Teton Park, Pennsylvania, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Montana, Catskills, Adirondacks, Alaska, Yosemite, Sierra Nevadas, Maine, Puget Sound.

    You're right, no wild fisheries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    a 1 way ticket...........

    thants not very nice ....:rolleyes:

    would it be first class? LMAO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    thants not very nice ....:rolleyes:

    would it be first class? LMAO
    Anything to get you on the plane IMO

    :pac: jk


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Rycn wrote: »
    Anything to get you on the plane IMO

    :pac: jk


    sure you would be board to death on here with out me LMAO:D excuse the pun

    this fishing lark needs a good old stir... the pot has been stagnent for donkeys...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    sure you would be board to death on here with out me LMAO:D excuse the pun

    this fishing lark needs a good old stir... the pot has been stagnent for donkeys...
    Your right!

    Were better than flyforums.co.uk anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Rycn wrote: »
    Your right!

    Were better than flyforums.co.uk anyway,


    how did you type the F word ... if i type it it comes up blank... with dots...:)

    **** = F word


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    how did you type the F word ... if i type it it comes up blank... with dots...:)

    **** = F word
    The u is in italics :)

    Right, grammar lesson for dryfly:

    #1: No more random amounts of fullstops! please?

    Im not taking the piss, seriously stop with them if you can! and put in a capital letter every now and again, give your posts some meat :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Rycn wrote: »
    The u is in italics :)

    Right, grammar lesson for dryfly:

    #1: No more random amounts of fullstops! please?

    Im not taking the piss, seriously stop with them if you can! and put in a capital letter every now and again, give your posts some meat :)

    they were not random full stops.... that was the F word....

    ill keep the good grammar for my book.... :)

    am i using up your web server memory with full stops ....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    Capture.jpg

    The fullstops marked in blue, they are what i meant.

    You dont have to stop using them, i just think id enjoy your posts more without.

    They only serve to make your posts harder to understand sometimes.

    Use a comma instead if you want :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Rycn wrote: »
    Capture.jpg

    The fullstops marked in blue, they are what i meant.

    You dont have to stop using them, i just think id enjoy your posts more without.

    They only serve to make your posts harder to understand sometimes.

    Use a comma instead if you want :)


    yep you did not understand the last post ....

    i said they are the F word ....


    i was making a joke ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭bitemybanger


    Keep it on topic lads. Less of the "handbags" and cursing, young and old alike post here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Keep it on topic lads. Less of the "handbags" and cursing, young and old alike post here.

    congrats on your new post as a MOD... do you have to wear special cloths :) or an important looking hat or something...

    you missed the F word when i quoted yer man... it sais **** in one of my posts in the quote


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 477 ✭✭davidk11811


    There seems to be alot more Bolloxing around than there is of talk about angling. LMAO <== See what I did there :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    There seems to be alot more Bolloxing around than there is of talk about angling. LMAO <== See what I did there :D


    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Rycn


    Keep it on topic lads. Less of the "handbags" and cursing, young and old alike post here.
    No handbags here, i was being serious with him. Not being sly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭DryFlyFishing


    Rycn wrote: »
    No handbags here, i was being serious with him. Not being sly.

    i was being serious to....:)....


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