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Ares TAR-21 Tavor Review-Discussion

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  • #52
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    not that much work, have a look at the review http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055595962


  • #53
    Darth Phoenix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭Darth Phoenix


    Oh god ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty :D:D.
    I owe ya a bottle of bb's for that.
    Thanks again Puding ;)


  • #54
    Levy613
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8 ✭Levy613


    Hi

    I have just purchased a Tavor TAR-21 and have had loads of problems with the firing, be it in either semi or auto mode.

    I am using the 8.4 battery as recommended and it is still the same.

    Been talking to Zeroone airsoft who I have purchased it from, but they are also having the same problems with the rest of the Tavor's TAR_21 that they stock.

    Does anyone else have this problem?

    Thanks very much.


  • #55
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    what problems you have with semi and auto? is it locking up ? need a bit more imformation to be able to help, if you read the review thread i go over the lock up problems i had


  • #56
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Had to post here I'm sorry.

    I was a big fan of the "idea" of having a Tavor. But after holding one, firing one, and being fired against, it is literally the biggest pile of ****e for €480 I've seen.

    On first pickup, I wasn't overally impressed with the rubbery feel. But I got over it quickly, it was a Tavor, and Mac made it awesome. However I noticed that the mag supplied with it would not stick in, tried my midcaps, same. The mag catch is flimpsy at best and rubbish. A good ol dboys mag stuck in but that would be an annoying problem.

    The cocking handle is just confusing and sounds filthy. You go to rack it back and it goes back a little, then grinding forward, and in view it a filthy compressed spring that makes it operate, not a pretty sight.

    The iron sights on the rifle are extremely poor and ancient looking. Theres literally one big long piece of metal that flips up on the front, and a very ****ty rear sight, completely useless and very poorly designed/made.

    The MARS sight is so poor and disgraceful, if I got it with a €40 springer I'd complain. It has 3-4 settings for "brightness" but it is a TINY dot, that gets no brighter or dimmer. For me its the piece that makes the rifle important and beautiful, it looked good, but functioning was pants, I'd love to tear it off and slap a PROPER WORKING Eotech onto it.

    There was a number of buttons that pushed, but did nothing that I could see. I watched as one lad went through a stressful perdiod trying to get the batteries in, the design point of view looks retarded for how the battery inserts.

    So thats the woes and tribulations BEFORE the thing even got fired, which is what infuriates me even more, and firmly put in my mind
    A)Never buy a Tavor from Ares
    B)Never buy from Ares/Star

    On roughly 8-10 occasions I came within 30 feet of a Tavor. And the enemy got the jump on me, and before I could react 20 rounds were of at me, first time round I called hit and walked away, thinking " I didnt actually get hit, must have hit a mag". Second time around though I realised i didnt get hit, and dropped the target.

    Third time, Alan, had his rifle aimed at my chest yet I got bursted in the neck and cheek. The next engagement with alan, his BB's missed me completely from about 14 feet. This happend numerous other times. The hop up on those guns are complete and utter tripe.

    Two Tavors were out tonight, out of the box, and could not hit jack ****. With hop fully off, they shot straight into the air. What use is that? Its fair enough saying right you need a hop fix, but I've been told the hop up on #EVERY one of these rifles in this country is fail. 6 different people, tonight another 2, experiencing hop up fail.

    Seemingly word I received was that alot of Tavors shipped wihout any hop up unit or some part, epic quality management fail.

    Have to say for that sort of money I'd expect more then the heap of junk Ares are selling. Greatly dissapointed cause I was looking forward to having a go of one then picking one up, will not be touching this with a barge pole.

    I'll hope that the TSI one is a bit better, as in its hop up unit works,,you know..the most ****ing essential thing in a rifle.


  • #57
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    OK firstly.... you seem to put a lot of unsubstatiated opinionated crap in that post... ill start from the top...

    Rubbery feel? erm What?

    the ares midcap that came with mine is the best mag I own, over CA, mag, and other brands... brilliant, feeds great, the mag catch is different, but works perfectly..

    the iron sights... have you actually looked at them? **** bit of metal? erm, its fully ajustable for elevation, remember its buis? crap? sod off mate, they are extremely accurate and precice iron sights...

    yep, the mars is crap. eotech? no, that looks ****, put an acog on, atleast its used.

    cocking handle? well something was jammed, guess waht? the battery wire was probably catching the bolt mech at the rear,.. easy to do, but fixable, it doesnt grind, and by the way, REAL GUNS HAVE SPRINGS ON COCKING LEVERS, DUH.

    buttons that do nothing...

    handguard: laser press switch
    behind mag: bolt cover release which holds it back, also, gearbox de-tensioning feature like ICS m4s...

    top rear is NV mount, not buttons, the rest is easy enough for even a masada fanboy to work out...

    trials and tribulations with the battery? well he must have been rather daft, its fairly easy to do... pin out, battery in, done....

    Im sorry you dont like it, but these all seem personal winges regarding a weapon.

    The performance issues you mentioned ive heard of, but cannot really empathise, as my weapon performs perfectly as adversited.... with NO work outside the box bar setting the apparently non existant hop....

    ever consider alan maybe cant shoot for ****?


  • #58
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Well I took the rifle for a few rounds at the start, and was not impressed from the word go at the ridic elevation that was experienced. I would trust my girlfriend to be able to shoot me from 10 feet, so the actual user is no issue, it was visable how shocking the rifle was, and that from about 5-7 feet, aimed at my legs, it managed to crack my neck and cheek.

    Obviously its a peronsal opinionated post, everyones is, yours right there is.

    It does have a poor rubbery feel to it, where you can actually squeeze the rear of the rifle and it presses in.

    The Areas midcap on the one I took out, would not lock into the rifle, and my mags wouldnt lock in either. Mag catch felt very flimsy, and looking inside, was commented that it didnt look the best of shape.

    The mere fact you said accurate and precise, then ironsight, in relation to an airsoft gun was a tad bit lol there to be frank. A skinny front ironsight pops up from the front, and a small rear one comes up from the back, flipped around, that could not even been seen properly through the mars, maybe they were not setup right, but they are absolutely shocking looking, an did not look effective what so ever in use.

    The cocking lever was pants, I felt I'd break it pulling it back too hard, and it would only got a fraction, then the bolt cover would open, it defies the point of having the whole exposed cocking lever there with the ****e looknig spring. Why not, like an mp5, have only the room it needs to move back and forth, instead of the whole length of the front assembly, when it moves like what 4 inches?

    Every time on release, it actually felt like it was grinding. And Yes real rifles was use springs, but would it take much to cover it up, it looks like a springer childs toy and is a serious eye sore.

    There was two or three buttons on the rear end of the rifle, that seemed to have no function, and looked completely out of place....the front end laser button? does it actually work? didnt see no laser.

    He wasn't daft with the battery, its a retarded design, pulls the wires,over the motor, then down, granted after some time you can owrk it out quickly, but its just seemed over complicated.

    Like you said yours is fine, but the amount of fails in this country, and from reading in other countries, is a bit of a joke considering the price of the thing.

    And of course they are personal whinges, but they are valid ones, ironic you call me a masada fanboy....but I knew the first response to my post would be yourself, with a hostile sly response....the traits of a fangirl.... : /

    One working sports lines out of twenty doesn't make sportlines good, they are still ****. For a rifle that costs nearly €500 , to put that into perspective, thats THE most expensive rifle available on the irish market today afaik, from a "supposidly" high end manafacturer, you'd expect some quality in performance minimum.

    Three guys got rifles, with no hop up units, like, there was no actual units in the rifle, what is that about?


  • #59
    NakedDex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    I've noticed a trend with the Tavors. It seems those who got them upon launch are having no problems but anyone who got them after that are seeing more and more reliability issues. I've heard several accounts of hop failures and a few of the hop simply not being there as well as a couple of others.

    While I am itching at the bit to get one, I think I'm going to hold off for a while. This could be a case of Ares not realising the demand for the Tavor, or at least underestimating it, and their QC slips for a while as they rush manufacture enough to keep up with orders. It might right itself in a month or two and everyone has happy, glowing reports like those who have the initial batch are dishing out.

    Hopefully this isn't a CA job. Ares/Star are nothing if not innovative and have one of the most interesting ranges out there (an M200 and a Tavor released in the same month, beats another M4 variant). I'd hate to see them go south based on their QC.


  • #60
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    cocking lever: as i said, battery wire trapped behind the transit frame of the bolt cover, fix that, its fine.
    also why cover the spring? real rifles dont? fecking poser...
    iron sights through mars... wrong... you can see them through it CLEARLY, they cowitnes....

    squeezy body... what?

    It seems ireland got a bad batch, which is suprising.

    I cant comment again on the things you raise, as you dont get it it seems.

    This is silly, you're basing this all on lemmons, when plenty are happy with them, i invite you to use my tavor when i see you next... please take it for the day to use... you will see a huge difference... I have working hop, working mag catch, brilliant build quality and operation with my weapon which was one of the first into the UK.... mine works, ive done nothing to it but change from 328 to 370 for an event and back... and that was a dream to do...


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  • #61
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    TheDoc wrote: »
    It does have a poor rubbery feel to it, where you can actually squeeze the rear of the rifle and it presses in.
    TheDoc wrote:
    There was two or three buttons on the rear end of the rifle, that seemed to have no function, and looked completely out of place....the front end laser button? does it actually work? didnt see no laser.

    Sorry to ask this, but are you sure you were using a Tavor? I've played with FireKitten's ... I could quite confidently club a CaveTroll to death it without worry of flexing.

    Secondly, yes there is a laser button and the "buttons" to which you refer at the back of the rifle are actually pins. Perhaps you might want to re-examine the Tavor and learn what is what before slatting it wholesale ...
    The mere fact you said accurate and precise, then ironsight, in relation to an airsoft gun was a tad bit lol there to be frank. A skinny front ironsight pops up from the front, and a small rear one comes up from the back, flipped around, that could not even been seen properly through the mars, maybe they were not setup right, but they are absolutely shocking looking, an did not look effective what so ever in use.

    Yes; accurate + precise + ironsight. I've used them to satisfaction. I would also add the words fire & laser into the sentence as well.


    Edit: btw things like missing hop units are f*ck ups. But those are Ares f*ck ups, not the AEG itself that's at fault ...


  • #62
    Masada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭Masada


    Have to say although i havent seen one yet, more and more of them seem to be steaming hot piles of sh1te.
    Its not just Ireland though, theres bad reviews all over the place. Im glas i didnt fork our for one of these as soon as they came out, the only thing that prevented me from buying one was the fact that it was Ares and a unique gearbox, something that caught me out for impossible to scorce parts in the past.

    So, thats sh1te, the TSI appears sh1te, there goes my dream of a gucci Tavor. :(


  • #63
    Craigsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Craigsy


    Just to throw my lot in i feel Doc is making a valid point, he's held the Tavor in question and what he's said it the way his is, that doesnt mean all of them are like this. I think the whole "No, no, no tavors are perfect, there's nothing wrong with them" argument is a little biased


  • #64
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Firekitten wrote: »

    I cant comment again on the things you raise, as you dont get it it seems.

    I'm sorry I'm unable to accurately depict the Tavors sold outside of Ireland, but I wont point out the obvious reason as to why I'm only able to comment on the batch available for retail in Ireland...where I live...

    And obviously I'm a poser, I play airsoft....its 80% of the actual game, getting kit that LOOKS nice and FEELS comfortable....

    It is kinda annoying your taking it so personal...as if I have NO IDEA what I'm taking about, a year handling rifles as a job and witnessing the **** ones and the good ones, I'd like to think I have some notion of what is a good quality built rifle.

    And granted there maybe some quality ones floating about, there isn't one on the irish scene yet from what I have heard,seen,felt, and thats a shame....

    But just as you take offence in comments distasteful to your country, I take great offence in people belittling me, and my opinions on Airsoft equipment when its my job, and I like to think I'm pretty ****ing good at it.

    In the last twelve months, any rifle that started of poorly, usually stays that way, and if it gives aggro to the retailers that sell them, then they just drop the line to save the hassle, obviously. So although it might be a superb rifle, if this keeps up they will just dissapear of the market, which is a pity, but atleast consumers wont be forking our nearly half a grand for something, that doesn't work...


  • #65
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    bias maybe. but an owner of a working gun, i can imagine assembly issues that could cause performance issues, but his comments on the iron sights, cocking, battery fitting, body feel are all hilariously personal and wrong.

    From a shooters pov, and an owner of the said rifle, those points he raised were wrong.


  • #66
    Craigsy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 611 ✭✭✭Craigsy


    Firekitten wrote: »
    bias maybe. but an owner of a working gun, i can imagine assembly issues that could cause performance issues, but his comments on the iron sights, cocking, battery fitting, body feel are all hilariously personal and wrong.

    From a shooters pov, and an owner of the said rifle, those points he raised were wrong.

    So you've handled the exact tavor he had then, it is what it is


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  • #67
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Craigsy wrote: »
    Just to throw my lot in i feel Doc is making a valid point, he's held the Tavor in question and what he's said it the way his is, that doesnt mean all of them are like this. I think the whole "No, no, no tavors are perfect, there's nothing wrong with them" argument is a little biased

    TBH, I think Dex may have the truth here in that Ares have grossly underestimated demand and are cuttnig corners to ship orders; thus QC is slipping until demand calms down.

    Only time will tell if that particular trend holds out. We have Tavors that work (I've seen two, used one), and we have Tavors that are apparently steaming p00. So which is the litmus indicator?


  • #68
    rossism
    Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭rossism


    As owner of the rifle in question maybe i can help clear up a few things.

    The tavor doc seen has issues with its hop-up unit and is being returned to the shop it was bought in to be checked and hopefully fixed. the battery cable was blocking the cocking lever from pushing the bolt back.Have the tavor in front of me and cant see any buttons wth no uses?


    Edit: The tavor in question belongs to my dad, i myself have another tavor(yes two tavors bit of overkill)
    anyway my own tavor was bought 3 weeks before the other and personally i have had no problems with my own.


  • #69
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Craigsy wrote: »
    So you've handled the exact tavor he had then
    as i mentioned, assembly issues fine, materials? that is a different matter. Half of his issues i cannot comprehend actually existing unless they stopped making the rifle I own, and sell an entirely different weapon now... because thats the only way.


  • #70
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    rossism wrote: »
    As owner of the rifle in question maybe i can help clear up a few things.

    The tavor doc seen has issues with its hop-up unit and is being returned to the shop it was bought in to be checked and hopefully fixed. the battery cable was blocking the cocking lever from pushing the bolt back.Have the tavor in front of me and cant see any buttons wth no uses?
    thankyou... someone that took the time to actually THINK before whining very loudly.

    the cable can get in the way, as I said.


  • #71
    Masada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭Masada


    While I wouldn't form a negative opinion on a rifle based on 1 out of 10 giving trouble, I also wouldn't endorse a rifle as being "good quality" if i got a good one and 10 others failed. I think the No's outweigh the Yes's at the moment, and until the good ones outweigh the bad ones this is going to be slated as a piece of sh1t. unfortunate, but true.


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  • #72
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    In Ireland yes.... otherwise, if you check the rest of the world, most are happy.

    Have you ever noticed that those complaining are always louder than the satisfied?


  • #73
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Lemming wrote: »
    Sorry to ask this, but are you sure you were using a Tavor? I've played with FireKitten's ... I could quite confidently club a CaveTroll to death it without worry of flexing.

    It was definitely a Tavor, as clearly stated on the brown box with the big writing " Tar-21"
    Secondly, yes there is a laser button and the "buttons" to which you refer at the back of the rifle are actually pins. Perhaps you might want to re-examine the Tavor and learn what is what before slatting it wholesale ...

    Probably right about being pins, pretty big that the tip of my index finger could push them in and out...to be confused with a button...interesting, but ill take your word, guess it wont be long before they fall out then : /

    The Tavor got a full over before the game started, granted its a rifle ive held for the first time, i got most of it quickly....but it doesn't excuse the slatting, doesnt take a genius to notice piss poor



    Edit: btw things like missing hop units are f*ck ups. But those are Ares f*ck ups, not the AEG itself that's at fault ...

    Thats like a really "WoW" comment lemming to be pretty honest. Ares make the Tavor....it has been their hot product for months, their only other competitor, is from TSI...and they managed...to forget...to put in hop up units, into their product.

    Thats like saying " Yeah but sportlines just have ****e pistons, thats classic armies fault, not the actual CA Sportlines"

    they have forgotten, across the board on large quantities of rifle, to forget to put in the component that makes the damn thing work.

    I've I was doing a review and got handed that, I wouldnt send it back saying " sorry I need one that actually has a hop unit" I'd be straight to the page slamming the manafacturer.

    Thats a serious school boy error, thats like BMW hyping a new model car, then shipping the majority without the engine, the thing that makes them function, then saying " Its not the cars fault, its a class car"


  • #74
    NakedDex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    Lemming wrote: »
    TBH, I think Dex may have the truth here in that Ares have grossly underestimated demand and are cuttnig corners to ship orders; thus QC is slipping until demand calms down.

    Only time will tell if that particular trend holds out. We have Tavors that work (I've seen two, used one), and we have Tavors that are apparently steaming p00. So which is the litmus indicator?

    None of them are, yet.
    The test will be in six months or so when demand calms down. If the latest ones are still holding faults, then it's Ares making a gun on the cheap by cutting corners they didn't on the originals. If the latest ones are just as good, or better (they may fix that MARS), then Ares had a QC issue and all smells good in the rose garden again.
    However, the true test is in six months time that the results of the above should be combined with the performance of Tavors that are being used now. Give them time. They may yet bed in or self destruct.


  • #75
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Masada wrote: »
    While I wouldn't form a negative opinion on a rifle based on 1 out of 10 giving trouble, I also wouldn't endorse a rifle as being "good quality" if i got a good one and 10 others failed. I think the No's outweigh the Yes's at the moment, and until the good ones outweigh the bad ones this is going to be slated as a piece of sh1t. unfortunate, but true.

    By the same logic that you feel the no camp outweigh the yes camp; isn't it disingenuous and a little presumptuous to 'slate' an AEG as sh1t when it is looking increasingly likely that there are early bad batches due to demand? By that logic; 50 bad tavors vs. 49 good ones would qualify it as being absolutely ****e when that is not the case statistically speaking.

    The other point to note is that if you had 1 bad aeg in 10; that one complaint would be louder than all of the positives combined - as is human nature.


  • #76
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Thats like a really "WoW" comment lemming to be pretty honest. Ares make the Tavor....it has been their hot product for months, their only other competitor, is from TSI...and they managed...to forget...to put in hop up units, into their product.

    Thats like saying " Yeah but sportlines just have ****e pistons, thats classic armies fault, not the actual CA Sportlines"

    they have forgotten, across the board on large quantities of rifle, to forget to put in the component that makes the damn thing work.

    I've I was doing a review and got handed that, I wouldnt send it back saying " sorry I need one that actually has a hop unit" I'd be straight to the page slamming the manafacturer.

    Thats a serious school boy error, thats like BMW hyping a new model car, then shipping the majority without the engine, the thing that makes them function, then saying " Its not the cars fault, its a class car"

    way to go about missing a f*cking point ...

    it's like paying for something and not getting it, but somethign else. Funnily enough not the product's fault but human error itself. A missing hop unit is not a design flaw, it's a great big gaping f*cking. QC. Human. F*cking. error.


  • #77
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    TheDoc wrote: »
    /

    The Tavor got a full over before the game started, granted its a rifle ive held for the first time, i got most of it quickly....but it doesn't excuse the slatting, doesnt take a genius to notice piss poor
    Yeah, like you noticed the laser and laser button on the handguard. quite thourgh.... and the 'buttons' and the fact you were trapping a wire with the cocking handle and didnt realise 'grinding' = something wrong.


    Dex: yeah, quite true, the initial demand has been massive, id not be suprised if it was a qc issue for suppy speed.... I still cant belive your comments regarding build quality unless they changed materials,

    btw, you do know its a polymer body not meant to be metal right?

    as for **** guns at first never improving? G&G m14, v1 bad, v2 upwards = excelent, CA m15 v1... bad, v2-5 excelent, recently ofcourse, less so.
    WE at first... hicapas, bad, we 1911s... great... getting this then?


  • #78
    NakedDex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    Firekitten wrote: »
    Dex: yeah, quite true, the initial demand has been massive, id not be suprised if it was a qc issue for suppy speed.... I still cant belive your comments regarding build quality unless they changed materials,

    btw, you do know its a polymer body not meant to be metal right?

    as for **** guns at first never improving? G&G m14, v1 bad, v2 upwards = excelent, CA m15 v1... bad, v2-5 excelent, recently ofcourse, less so.
    WE at first... hicapas, bad, we 1911s... great... getting this then?

    Was this directed at me? I didn't mention anything about changing materials or lack of positive progression, or anything about polymer v metal?


  • #79
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Firekitten wrote: »
    In Ireland yes.... otherwise, if you check the rest of the world, most are happy.

    Have you ever noticed that those complaining are always louder than the satisfied?

    I don't know what you actually want me to say, that I'm sorry my inferior opinion was wrong and your right, o please forgive me?

    Unfortunately it is rare that you get more then one rifle to do a comparison on, especially a Tavor....

    Granted I've clearly made a mistake with the button/pin issue, however a pin the size of the tip of my finger, that moves in, then pops back out, you can imagine how i thought it was a button.

    Performance wise it was poor, as the gentleman that owned it just said, and hes not the first I've heard, like I said atleast seven others this week alone.

    As said by FireKitten:

    but his comments on the iron sights, cocking, battery fitting, body feel are all hilariously personal and wrong

    From a shooters pov, and an owner of the said rifle, those points he raised were wrong.

    I'm going to vacate that thread now for fear of more infractions that I need right now. Airsoft is opinion based, I like this, you like that. This is a review thread, I gave my opinion, my review, get off your ****ing horse, your not gods gift to airsoft. What gives you the right to tell me MY feelings on a piece is wrong? There my opinions, my feelings, and of course they are personal, everything is personal, your personally defending your rifle here, when others are calling it ****e. I think bulpup rifles are ****e, I think aks are ****e, I'll never use one or own one, they dont feel comfortable to me, but I accept there others out there who love them, and I'd never tell them they are wrong, its their opinion and their choice.

    The points I made are not wrong, they were voiced by a few lads there tonight, from most opinions I've gotten from folk ( and it is alot of folk) they are not impressed with the tavor, uncomfortable , overpriced and just not liked by alot of people. I'm not going to tell the ones that do own them they are wrong. It is their choice, but stop taking it personal, ive every right to post in this review thread, some negetitive feedback.

    And as for your last comment, that is the biggest Walt thing I've ever heard. Seriously, its getting on my nerves some of the stuff you come out with, and your general superiority complex in relation to irelands airsofters, your an airsofter, we are airsofters, we shoot toy guns, dressed in camo. Military experience or whatever, makes no shod of difference what so ever. Get over it.

    And just on a final note

    There was a number of buttons that pushed, but did nothing that I could see.

    That was my original post, I knew what the laser button was on the handguard, its a BIG feature of the rifle, but it didnt do anything, it didnt work.....so you can stop trying to bash me now...


  • #80
    Masada
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭Masada


    You all need to go have a cookie and calm the fuk down...

    take a step backwards and start to realise this is a toy gun you are all talking about.

    Yes there will be good and bad opinions, but getting personal about your difference of opinion makes you look like a gang of 5 year olds.


    *quote Lemmings Sig here* (i love irony. lol )


  • #81
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    walty?

    I was british army, I AM a shooter, I have SHOT real assault rifles, both the sa80 and ar15 series (not uk) therefore, stating from a shooter's pov, is not walty, so just grow up.

    yes we are playing with toy guns, but the context of that comment was correct.
    Military experience or whatever, makes no shod of difference what so ever.
    Hah! that shows SO much.

    and for a fact, your comment regarding 'cant see iron sights through mars' is _Literally_ wrong. because one can.

    I'm out of this now, its getting stupid.


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  • #82
    NakedDex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    Synopsis of the last couple of pages.

    Some people really like them.
    Some people really don't.

    Some people have nothing but good reports from theirs.
    Some people have had some serious issues.

    The MARS is universally disliked.

    These issues are likely down to poor QC and may go away.

    ...and...

    The button, much like the cake, is a lie.


  • #83
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    sorry just had to laugh with both sides of the debate on this one, tavor the new aug??

    anyway i have a suspicion that the US and HK/European both are coming from different sources or at lease handles differently, the tavors brought inside the us seem to have non of the issues some in Europe have had, the fact the us version come with a QC tag that shows when and who tested the aeg is a bit telling, there is also the different Ares web sites if you have a look, a HK and a USA version.

    From looking into a wholesale account with ares USA it seems to be that in reality the ares USA are importing in bulk running QC and shipping out almost like a francis it seems, where as we are getting directly from source in Europe.

    The tavor does have problems i documented a lot of them, it shows a lot about how much i like the tavor that i took the time to correct the problem and tbh it has become and exceptional performer. But unfortunately in Europe and hk the lemon rate is exceptionally high to high really.

    A lot of the criticism of things like buttons and feels are a bit silly as this are just copying the real thing so its not the airsoft product thats the problem but your just not liking the original design, i think its important to sprat airsoft aeg problems and dislikes originating from the original design of the real steel.

    Everyone that has asked me should i buy one i simply told them this, get a ares USA version or wait for the next gen ones to come out, as i can see ares relishing a version with just the mount, or wait the cheaper cybergun release (this is in-fact the ares )

    The ares for me was never about value for money, it was about the external finish and look, i know there was issues but i knew i could fix them, the tavor looks ammazing to me everything else is secondary i can make that work.

    Edit: also the lemon rate also looks a lot highter than it is , the reason for this is we have people from the uk and other country posting about problems beacuse at the moment when your search for ares tavor we come high on the list so anyone searching for help beacuse they have problem find use :) its a good thing but also does means that we hear about a lot of the problems but none of the people with working no issues tavors, at lot of people who have issue are new posters hear a lot of the pms i get are from new posters from the uk infact


  • #84
    Rooky1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Rooky1


    Hi guys.
    Does the Tavor come with a tightbore as standard?
    What length is the inner barrel? 407mm???
    Thanks for any help.


  • #85
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    As the only person here with a working one, I dont have electronic calipres, but it wouldnt suprise me if it was... the performance suggested so. best to ask pud on barrel length, not had mine out.


  • #86
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    As the only person here with a working one

    mine works :) took it out for its first skirmish last weekend :D


  • #87
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    So what did you think of your 'sh1te' gun? was it reallly sh1te? did it feel like sh1te? :P


  • #88
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    well i never said it was a **** gun mine just needed some tlc, and i thought my last post made laid out my thoughts.

    I brought my tavor knowing full well the issue with it, i was torn between the tsi and ares version glad i went for the ares even more know after seeing the latest pictures of the tsi i posted in the news thread.


  • #89
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    barrel length is about 420mm my calipers are showing less than 6.05 ish but mine are old non digital versions so impossible to get accurate .00 sizing and i suspect they could be a little off will try and borrow my fathers and test the barrel again


  • #90
    Rooky1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Rooky1


    Puding wrote: »
    barrel length is about 420mm my calipers are showing less than 6.05 ish but mine are old non digital versions so impossible to get accurate .00 sizing and i suspect they could be a little off will try and borrow my fathers and test the barrel again


    Thanks for the info Puding!


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  • #91
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Rooky1 wrote: »
    Hi guys.
    Does the Tavor come with a tightbore as standard?
    What length is the inner barrel? 407mm???
    Thanks for any help.

    You will be able to use a 510mm barrel when they release the full length external barrel. All the TARs currently on the market are all in the CTAR config with the carbine barrels.


  • #92
    Rooky1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Rooky1


    I wonder when that kit will be out!
    I do like the sound of that.
    Thanks for the info.


  • #93
    rossism
    Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭rossism


    one of mine works:p.
    the other has hop up problems:(


  • #94
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    red wolf have the ares scope rail mount for the tavor along with the side mount for lights/lasers ect etc

    have both on order should be hear by friday or monday at the latest

    Shooter Side Rail for ARES TAR-21

    Shooter Top Scope Rail for ARES TAR-21


  • #95
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    the other has hop up problems

    mine was very sensitive so replaced all the wheels and internals with guarder versions and fixed the problems, another i fixed for a friend i just need to place a shim under the main wheel as it was too loss

    DSC_51080001.jpg

    stock hop up , i've never been a fan of the star/ares hop up bucking and nub, i find the hope up far to soft normal and never liked the built in hop up nub in the arm or i normal replace this


  • #96
    rossism
    Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭rossism


    thanks for the info pudding.

    the broken ones less then a week old do.so i think i might just bring it back and ask them to have a look at it as i wouldnt be able to strip the gun myself.


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  • #97
    Firekitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Puding wrote: »
    red wolf have the ares scope rail mount for the tavor along with the side mount for lights/lasers ect etc

    have both on order should be hear by friday or monday at the latest

    Shooter Side Rail for ARES TAR-21

    Shooter Top Scope Rail for ARES TAR-21
    Growl... couldnt they have atleast made it accurate to the RS? ill keep my custom jobbie thanks :P


  • #98
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Firekitten wrote: »
    Growl... couldnt they have atleast made it accurate to the RS? ill keep my custom jobbie thanks :P

    Whats wrong with the design of the rail/rails?


  • #99
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Whats wrong with the design of the rail/rails?

    was what i was thinking, from all the pictures i've seen they look pretty close


  • #100
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Whats wrong with the design of the rail/rails?
    Puding wrote: »
    was what i was thinking, from all the pictures i've seen they look pretty close

    I think, and I'm open to correction here by FireKitten, that the top rail mount they've made looks like it will sit too low.


  • #101
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


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    tavor_idf_2.jpg

    true from pictures height is right issue is the mounts for the acog seem to replace the rear sight as well as above, so unless a complete new top section is made it is never going to be 100% accurate, the issue with any mount that just sit in from the iron sights is i find its too far forward to be comfortable at time, the rail system in the picture allows the acog to site further back

    edit: then again you do have this a lot highter allowing the acog to site back a lot more as its over the top of the iron sight, seen so many differant types of mounts and there in service

    tavor04xp3.jpg


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