What happened on the red line this morning?

lolosaur wrote: »

What if i pushed you onto the track. how would you like that action?

There is a build up of over 100-150 people at those tram stops regularly at peak times per tram, there are people crossing at a busy intersection not mentioning it is a cross town rat run to the two busiest shopping districts.

that girl this morning, god rest her, would she be one of the people you want to take responsibility for her own actions?


What a useless post.

Well lets be honest - what happens if anyone pushes you onto the road at any pedestrian crossing in the country where large volumes of cars or other vehicles are passing, such as at the two pedestrian bridges between O'Connell Bridge and Grattan Bridge on the Quays?


You are trying to suggest that the LUAS per se is any more dangerous than a car, bus or truck, which it patently is not.


What happened to that poor girl this morning was something that (from the reports so far) I don't believe any railings or otherwise could have stopped. She was unfortunate to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Boulevardier wrote: »

" people need to take responsibility for their own actions. "

LXflyer I normally respect your views, but your post on this thread is appalling. I suggest you withdraw it.

I am not in any way referring to the poor woman that died this morning in that statement. It was a completely freak accident that happened to her, and she and her family have my sympathies.

I am referring to the general implication in the posts by lolosaur where he/she implied that LUAS by design was unsafe and that pedestrians need to be railed in and that people crossing the road in front of approaching trams are not in any way at fault.

People walk out in front of approaching trams left right and centre and as such they are causing a major hazard - those people need to be more responsible.

Banjoxed wrote: »

Speaking in general, and not about any specific case, the only way additional rules and regulations would change pedestrian behaviour would be to have the guards arresting and prosecuting jaywalking in a way that would deter messing at busy junctions.

Have a look at the Luas Annual Safety Statistical Report. Under section 3.2, you'll see the majority of incidents are road traffic collisions.

http://www.rpa.ie/Documents/Health%20and%20Safety/RPA_Luas_Annual_Safety_Statistical_Report_2012.pdf

Breaking the lights when the LUAS is crossing is endemic. On Queen street collisions have happened so often that they have to put up large neon signs warning drivers not to break the lights.

That said, the Jarvis Street LUAS stop is a nightmare. There isn't enough room for passengers getting off, waiting at the stop and general pedestrians walking through. Combine that with a traffic coming down Jervis Street and it's just plain dangerous for pedestrians. It's a dangerously designed LUAS stop. Blaming pedestrians for jaywaking completely misses the point.

There's a lot of traffic crossing the tracks on Jervis Street. All of it coming either from the Ormonde Quay or Great Strand Street. That traffic is either going to the Jervis Carpark or Parnell St. Since the only way of getting to Ormonde Quay is from O Donnovan Rossa Bridge, or from Inns Quay, it is obvious that Jervis Street is being used as a rat-run for any non-Jervis-Carpark traffic. So if the only major car-destination is Jervis, then I would completely advocate reconfiguring Jervis Street around the area where the Luas crosses it. In fact I would contend that Jervis Street needn't be a through-route at all: the street is wide enough to be two-way to facilitate entry to and egress from the Jervis Carpark. That way the 10 meters either side of the Luas crossing could be closed off to cars, offering a significantly safer crossing area for pedestrians over the current constrained setup.

RIP poor Lady

theKillerBite wrote: »

I saw all the flowers at the scene this evening :-(

Maybe they could put rumble strips before luas junctions. I know they have red flashing lights on the ground at some of crossings but is this across the board??

At this stage, I'd be in favour of automatic bollards at every Luas/Road Junction from Museum to Liffey Street.

Victor wrote: »

Let's compare it to road traffic casualties.

So, Luas is 5 times safer per journey. However, we are overstating Luas-related casualties, so we could easily say it is ten times safer..

Absolutely 100% Agree.

The continuing risk of Injury or Death as a result of physical assault on a Luas service,is a far more significant threat to Public Safety than any injury from a collision !

Aard wrote: »

There's a lot of traffic crossing the tracks on Jervis Street. All of it coming either from the Ormonde Quay or Great Strand Street. That traffic is either going to the Jervis Carpark or Parnell St. Since the only way of getting to Ormonde Quay is from O Donnovan Rossa Bridge, or from Inns Quay, it is obvious that Jervis Street is being used as a rat-run for any non-Jervis-Carpark traffic. So if the only major car-destination is Jervis, then I would completely advocate reconfiguring Jervis Street around the area where the Luas crosses it. In fact I would contend that Jervis Street needn't be a through-route at all: the street is wide enough to be two-way to facilitate entry to and egress from the Jervis Carpark. That way the 10 meters either side of the Luas crossing could be closed off to cars, offering a significantly safer crossing area for pedestrians over the current constrained setup.

The nub of SO much of Dublin City's Traffic Planning problems.

The cack-handed,and highly dubious planning decisions taken decades ago by long forgotten Corporate and Political figures which gave Multi-Storey Car Park developers effective control over Dublin City's day to day operation.

Someday we shall have full disclosure as to the "details" surrounding such travesties,but I would also suggest much evidence has been shredded or incinerated to keep the issue from causing "trouble".

The City is blighted,not by the Multi-Stories themselves,but by the TOTAL absence of the necessary infrastructure to support and cater for the basic operations of such facilities.

Rather than focus upon the Facilities themselves,take the time instead to stand outside the Entrances and Exits of these Multi-Stories and marvel at how ANY supposed "Professional" Planner could have signed-off on the arrangements now in place for decades.

Stand outside the MAIN Exit for the Jervis Multi Storey and wonder at what language the "Professional" Planners Degree was written in...:(

Even worse is how we have become so inured to this cockamamey behaviour,so that when it's franchised out to our latest locations such as the Dundrum Centre,nobody bats an eyelid....Sheer Dangerous Lack of Planning Responsibility,all passed off as a Native Ability to "come up with something" and "see how it go's"

This issue is ongoing and whilst not directly conected to the Sad Accident which claimed this lady's life,is I feel part of the menu of contributory factors,the responsibility for which remains unaddressed.

Another incident on the redline again a man was stuck by a tram in city west this evening ,while apparently crossing the tracks

While that's an awful thing to have happened, it should be recognised that being hit while crossing the tracks is an entirely different situation to what happened on Jervis Street yesterday, and that the two shouldn't be conflated.

He has nobody to blame but himself.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/young-man-hospitalised-after-he-is-struck-by-luas-30168066.html

The 18-year-old man was crossing the “segregated tracks” which is off-limits to pedestrians between the Cheeverstown and Citywest stops on the red line around 8:30pm last night when he was struck.

Banjoxed wrote: »

Speaking in general, and not about any specific case, the only way additional rules and regulations would change pedestrian behaviour would be to have the guards arresting and prosecuting jaywalking in a way that would deter messing at busy junctions. Better for individuals to be a bit more copped on that cars, buses and trams can injure or kill you and are not a source of compo if they hit you.

That should have read Can't not Can.