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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    I can think of one major disadvantage....builds just won't look as cool in the future! :(


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    This is God.

    Discuss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭duffman85


    Solitaire wrote: »
    :eek:



    Just. :eek:
    Wow +1 :eek:
    High end processor and graphics on the same core will change so much in the world of computing. No need for huge cases to accomodate 1 foot long graphics cards, less compatibility issues without the massive range of CPU/GPU's, same RAM used for graphics and general use...thats just off the top of my head but so much more possibilities. I'd say this has been AMD's long term plan ever since they bought ATI. They've been happy to let Intel rule the CPU market while they have been quietly working on integrated processing. I do vaguely remember reading somewhere though that Intel are working on something similar albeit not with someone like ATI to back them up.
    You've probably seen this at this stage but ...
    Engadget wrote:
    ASUS demos Immensity X58 Hydra mainboard with integrated ATI Radeon HD 5770 GPU
    http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/asus-demos-immensity-x58-hydra-mainboard-with-integrated-ati-rad/


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭zappb


    Intel Core i7 980x is about to be retired by the i7 990 - end of quarter 3 2010 according to techreport.

    Cheaper six cores on the way from intel this year as well,


    Peace


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭david p


    Thought this article might be of interest to anyone putting together a gaming PC:

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/athlon-ii-x3-440-gaming-performance,review-31906.html :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    wtf is this sh*t?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.448447

    combo448447.jpg

    edit: Oh its a Mini-ITX case... but what the frick.

    FREAKY IMAGES

    lianli03.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    the spider case is gonna look a lot less badass with cables connected to it, and i wouldnt put it anywhere but on a dust free lab's tabletop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭Deano12345


    Lian Li and some college students got together and modded one of those 'Spider' cases to walk. I seen a vid of it, its quite epic :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Tea_Bag wrote: »
    the spider case is gonna look a lot less badass with cables connected to it, and i wouldnt put it anywhere but on a dust free lab's tabletop.
    in fairness it wouldnt really collect that much dust. a little bit, like everything else, but not a lot. And very easy to dust off either way. I'd just be worried about people touching it - they'd either hurt themselves or It.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Who are Galaxy? I've never heard of them. Like the casing however.

    galaxygeforcegtx480vchamber01-575x378.jpg

    Uses the same vapor cooling seen on the Sapphire Vapor-X line.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    They're actually one of those cheap-'n'-nasty nVidia partners :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    terribad?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    nah, safely mediocre :P

    Sure does look nice though :D First time I've seen a nice Galaxy card :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    How hot is hot for a gpu?

    i was playing a bit of Mafia 2 demo, (with Apex Physics and everything else on High) and after 30min my GTX 460 was hitting 61 degrees at peak.

    also, i was only averaging 23-28 fps, and sometimes upto 37 fps briefly.
    is this pretty low? i was using FRAPS, does it use much overhead?


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Tea_Bag wrote: »
    How hot is hot for a gpu?

    i was playing a bit of Mafia 2 demo, (with Apex Physics and everything else on High) and after 30min my GTX 460 was hitting 61 degrees at peak.

    also, i was only averaging 23-28 fps, and sometimes upto 37 fps briefly.
    is this pretty low? i was using FRAPS, does it use much overhead?

    The temperature is fine, but you should be getting a higher FPS on that. What drivers are you using?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    driver version: 8.17.12.5896

    i downloaded the newest drivers from nvidia.com, installed and after reboot it apears to be the same driver..


    Just an EDIT, i restarted the game with apex physics off, and im getting at least 55 fps. seems like its an absolute hog of gpu resources. i also didnt notice any difference with it off and on.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    At a guess I'd say Apex is horribly borked and those cheeky gits are using the demo for some last-minute beta-testing on unsuspecting users... sound familiar ArmA? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    the only thing that puts me off galaxy is their bizarre and worrying tendency to use frogs as models on their retail boxes. Forget sapphire with their hot cyberpunk girls.....frogs are clearly the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Whats A-Typical transfer speed between hard drives? I'm getting 70-75 MB/s sending my Steam folder from one to the other: one being a 7200RPM Seagate Barracuda 3gbps sata and the other being a WD 7200RPM sata 6gbps.

    For what its worth I will tell you now: The barracuda is dead quiet, the WD, not so much.

    i need some bencmark programs for these drives.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Chuck Finlay


    A steam folder will probably have lots of different data and file types and sizes in it, lots of random stuff, so 75MB/s doesn't sound that bad to me.
    Try downloading and then copying larger chunks of some ISOs and you probably will get 100++ out of it.
    Some HDD benchmarks are Iometer, Atto or HD Tach, which are often used in reviews around the web, so you can compare the results directly.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Best you can hope for with non-RAIDed, non-server magnetic HDDs is ~155MB/s in a large single file transfer between two Samsung F3s. If you're lucky :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Looks like the next Ati series are imminent

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/ATI-Catalyst-10-8-Driver-Leaks-Southern-Islands-HD-6000-Codenames-153800.shtml

    They are listed in the latest driver release. So is this a revision of current cards or the jump to the next ones?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Chuck Finlay


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Looks like the next Ati series are imminent

    http://news.softpedia.com/news/ATI-Catalyst-10-8-Driver-Leaks-Southern-Islands-HD-6000-Codenames-153800.shtml

    They are listed in the latest driver release. So is this a revision of current cards or the jump to the next ones?

    It is a revision of the current cards and the jump to the next ones :)

    Cayman Antilles probably multi-gpu cards.

    201008aug26.th.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Chuck Finlay


    Woot!
    Cayman XT 6718 (=6870) benchmark: http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1498296-1-1.html
    GTX480 busted? Idk, 2000 more points seems too good to be true...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Chuck Finlay


    "But now, let's do --- the neeeewwws!"

    GOOD NEWS! This morning, on my way to work, I was overtaken by the new Dacia Sandero!
    daciasandero1.jpg

    [end of james may impersonating mode]

    Anyway, the GF106 aka GTS450 benchmarked, results below 5770. Which means that it's on par with the GTS250...lol. ASUS OC version with an incredible 925MHz hits 150W ... but probably overvolted.
    For comparison:
    GTS250: 11.8 GPixel/s, 47.2 GTexel/s, 70.4 GByte/s
    GTS450: 12.5 GPixel/s, 25.0 GTexel/s, 56.7 GByte/s

    An expected still-to-come GTS455 is rumored to be another 192bit variant of the GF104 (seen on GTX460). My bet is on 288 Streamprocessors and 48 TMUs on this one, which would beat the 5770 with ease.

    Then we will see the GF108 chip in the GT230, which is expected to hit markets in October with a 128-bit wide interface. With only 96 SPs, 16 TMUs and 8 ROPs (edit2: i f***ed up, must be 16 ROPs) this card will be completely underpowered for its 1GB of RAM (yes, seriously). But maybe it can catch up to a GT240 or a HD5670. I suspect that this card is supposed to become the eye-catcher for the OEM-market, since OEMs love presenting big numbers to their unknowing customers ("1024 MB VRAM!!!!!!!11111").

    This all seems a bit obsolete tho, since the Radeon HD6000 ATI series (pardon me, AMD) is by now expected in October (!). Does anyone think Nvidia stands a chance from that point on?


    EDIT:
    More infos today:
    Radeon 6800 and 6900multi-GPU are supposed to get a 384bit memory interface .. :eek:
    Radeon 6770 supposed to beat the GTX460-1024 by a slight margin, priced the same. Launchday Oct 13th, which is quite ironic, since on the same day Nvidia is going to release its GF108 :)

    EDIT2:
    More new bits:
    B3D forum:
    - improved Cypress architecture, all GPU blocks improved (so shaders too?)
    - better performance clock for clock, less power consumption.
    - The experience in the 40nm process allows for better organization of the die (and save space - that's what I personaly wondered if possible)
    - Better yields allow for more complicated structures
    - new UVD 3.0 decoder, with full video playback acceleration for Eyefinity, up to 6 monitors. Overall better decoder.
    - no problems with samples of chips and cards, not even with the 6970.
    - prototypes might be send to AMD partners in the coming weeks
    - AMD wants HD6970 on the market before Xmas (obviously!)
    - No worries from competetion, they believe Radeons will reign in DX11 generation
    - Aggressive pricing planned, as long as enough cards can be produced. (buy one asap before prices go up! )
    - First low-end, then middle, then HD6970.
    - HD6800 planed for beginning of 2011, could be earlier though.

    - no comment on the rumour AMD would be doing a fusion processor for next Xbox.
    - lots of optimizm in the AMD camp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,813 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    Hey,

    I'm looking at moving my RAID setup onto a dedicated system.

    I currently have 4x Samsung F1 1TB drives and looking to add to it {probably in a different ARRAY}.

    But where is the best option:

    4 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB HD103SJ

    or

    2 x Samsung SpinPoint F3EG 2TB HD203WI

    Are the 2TB mature/reliable enough to trust as a NAS disk ?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Anyway, the GF106 aka GTS450 benchmarked, results below 5770. Which means that it's on par with the GTS250...lol. ASUS OC version with an incredible 925MHz hits 150W ... but probably overvolted.
    For comparison:
    GTS250: 11.8 GPixel/s, 47.2 GTexel/s, 70.4 GByte/s
    GTS450: 12.5 GPixel/s, 25.0 GTexel/s, 56.7 GByte/s

    I recall a bunch of us already made the GTS250=GTS450 joke over on the old LOL@FERMI thread in Graphics... and behold! Life once again imitates art :pac:

    That's an incredible amount of donkey-corpse-flogging though... 8800GTS = 9800GTX+ = GTS250 = GTS450 :o That thing's been rehashed more times than the Ninbendo DS! :pac:

    Few surprises though - we all knew AMD were only doing a minor architectural update to improve the sloppy performance-per-clock that both the shaders and ROPs had on HD5000 and further boost repeatibility and power efficiency of the 40nm dies. Now I'm wondering if I shouild hold on until next month before buying stuff - if HD6700 hits the shelves in volume it could cause more price cuts for the GTX460s :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Now I'm wondering if I shouild hold on until next month before buying stuff - if HD6700 hits the shelves in volume it could cause more price cuts for the GTX460s :D
    Maybe....


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Interesting... looking at HWVS and the lower-mid-range is turning into a real slapfest - you can see both HD5750 1GB and GTS450s starting just past €110 and pre-OCd versions at just a fiver more, with another fiver on top of that getting you the Palit Sonic with a meaty 12% OC... but even then its under serious pressure from the HD5770 1GB range which has been dropped to start at under €125 now - some serious price dueling going on right now :eek:

    I <3 price dueling :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭duffman85


    Intel Software unlock of processor performance.
    From Engadget: Intel wants to charge $50 to unlock stuff your CPU can already do
    9-18-10-intel600.jpg


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    We can all see where this will be going in a few months time. No OCing Sandy Bridge via bus, and now you'll have to buy extra unlocked bins on the new CPUs in order to OC at all - and I bet those bins will be "rented", with clients being forced to pay €50 every three months or so to "keep" access to the bins and thus keep their OC :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Its finally happened - Intel finally went and pulled Nineball's shotgun trick. AMD win by default :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    duffman85 wrote: »
    Intel Software unlock of processor performance.
    From Engadget: Intel wants to charge $50 to unlock stuff your CPU can already do
    9-18-10-intel600.jpg
    Solitaire wrote: »
    We can all see where this will be going in a few months time. No OCing Sandy Bridge via bus, and now you'll have to buy extra unlocked bins on the new CPUs in order to OC at all - and I bet those bins will be "rented", with clients being forced to pay €50 every three months or so to "keep" access to the bins and thus keep their OC :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

    Its finally happened - Intel finally went and pulled Nineball's shotgun trick. AMD win by default :cool:

    Its not all that bad - whats described in the engadget article. You pay more for more performance ala VW with their TDI, TDI and TDI engines.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Intel_Software_Upgrade.torrent


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    I didn't mean the current scheme, that's just Intel flogging some i3s binned as PGs off to OEMs then giving owners the option of upgrading the PG back up to i3-hood. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    The thing is, Intel has already warned us that this idea is a trial for something more... comprehensive... and we also know Sandy Bridge can't be OCd as the bCLK is hardware-locked and the formerly unlocked -K premium series will be downgraded to severely limit how much the multiplier can be increased past stock (IIRC the words from the original article were "just a few bins" - likely 266-400MHz past stock). So no OCing Intel's next CPU unless you can stump up a grand for an Extreme Edition. Suicide, surely? :confused:

    But what if Intel went and cut a deal with board partners to set guaranteed OC settings for CPUs? Then they could charge people money in return for push-button OCing of a CPU. It would allow clueless technophobes instantly boost their CPU without any fiddling in return for cold hard cash. Odds are the higher-binned K-series will allow you to purchase even bigger boosts and functionality (eg. turn an i5-750 into an i7-860) in return for more moolah.

    Worse still, there's the ignomious horror of the dreaded GCRS (Guaranteed Constant Revenue Stream) to think about. The Pentium G upgrade is a one-time thing but how long do you think it will take Intel to "rent out" the Sandy Bridge upgrades? We can blame EA and BioWare all we like for pushing "microtransaction" ass****ery but hypercapitalism's vile offspring has been with us since the invention of pay-per-view TV and mobile phones. Its just that nowadays every unscrupulous corporation under the sun is trying to come up with a clever (and legal) excuse to ram some form of GCRS up our rears. After all, what company doesn't want to sell the same old rope at twice the price it was originally sold for? And there'll be a line of peeps who would love to "own" an i7 for €150, not realising that over the 2-3 years they own it they'll actually be shelling out €400+ for the privelige... Add the fact that a legit, push-button OC would have much larger mainstream appeal than current OCing and Intel may be about to roll out a modern grift for modern gamers :o

    [/rant]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭VenomIreland


    I want to spend the extra money on a new mobo and a Bulldozer CPU just to stick it to Intel now :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    According to semi accurate we will see the 6870 by mid to late November, with OEMs Shipments beginning around the time the 6770 is hitting stores.

    Looks like good times ahead as wafer supplies are much higher and yields are very good. :)

    http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/09/24/amds-6870-coming-november/

    This is my favourite bit
    Stick around, the rest of 2010 is going to be very exciting from a GPU standpoint, and early 2011 looks just as good. Unless you are an Nvidia stockholder, then it won't be nearly as fun

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    marco_polo wrote: »
    The top notch Corsair F60 SSD is exactly the same price (Makes me sad as I payed only £15 less for the 40Gb version about two months ago :().

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/233258

    Edit: Actually the similar performing 60Gb OCZ vertex 2 is also very similar price:
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/225415

    Both have the latest sandforce controller so can't go wrong either way.

    phew nearly said this in the BA section..

    ive been seriously considering getting an SSD for some time now, but not in dire need of one, i figured it pays to wait.

    anyway, of the two of them, which one is better? i cant find any reviews comparing the two. my gut is saying to go with the Corsair.. but i dunno.. help?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Tea_Bag wrote: »
    phew nearly said this in the BA section..

    There is a thread for BA chat ;)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Tea_Bag wrote: »
    phew nearly said this in the BA section..

    ive been seriously considering getting an SSD for some time now, but not in dire need of one, i figured it pays to wait.

    anyway, of the two of them, which one is better? i cant find any reviews comparing the two. my gut is saying to go with the Corsair.. but i dunno.. help?

    Would probably plump for the Vertex 2 myself all things being equal, but really you could flip a coin as they are all but identical (the 100Gb versions are compared here: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=911&type=expert&pid=1), I have seen it claimed that OCZ have better support and slightly earlier access to firmware upgrades from Sandforce as the preferred OEM.

    Just out of curiousity I ran the ATTO benchmark there on my F40, very close to what it says on the tin:

    129194.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    i posted this in C&T, but no replies at all..

    Sold on Physx - advice needed
    Right so im playing Mafia 2 atm, and it runs alot better than the demo on my GTX460, and boy what a difference PhysX makes. its quite amazing. anyway, the game (or my GTX460) bogs down occassionally when there is heavy explosions/gunfire/crazy stuff happening all at once, still well playable, but i feel i could get more out of it.

    so i thought i could move the physX engine off the GPU by buying a second hand (maybe 9800gtx??) card and throwing the physx onto that, hopefully getting me better fps/gameplay.

    is it worth it?

    whats yer suggestions?

    whats a good/cheap card for the job?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    This will have to do since there is no wild speculation thread. :p

    Has anyone else seen the supposedly leaked AMD slides doing the rounds over the last few days?

    Obviously I would treat with a pinch of salt as absolutely anyone could have knocked these up. (There was another fake one going around some time ago as I recall so healthy skeptism advised) But is seems if true that the 6700 series will be pitched at fairly close to 5800 performance levels.

    We will find out soon enough I suppose (No until November now apparently :()

    100127roko70599pc7p45i.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    marco_polo wrote: »
    This will have to do since there is no wild speculation thread. :p

    Has anyone else seen the supposedly leaked AMD slides doing the rounds over the last few days?

    Obviously I would treat with a pinch of salt as absolutely anyone could have knocked these up. (There was another fake one going around some time ago as I recall so healthy skeptism advised) But is seems if true that the 6700 series will be pitched at fairly close to 5800 performance levels.

    We will find out soon enough I suppose (No until November now apparently :()

    100127roko70599pc7p45i.jpg
    I think they should be nice and price the 6770 at the 5770 mark and so on... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    from what ive heard the 6770 is supposed to be competing with the gtx 460 so im guessing prices around the 200 mark (witch is class if the performance is true)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Only a couple of days before the HD6870 and HD6850 are released.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/19/amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-hd-6850-officially-pictured-coming-this/

    Presumably most of the reviews are written at this stage and will become available after release. Hopefully it delivers what it is promising. Just worried though as to power draw etc. If the 6870 is replacing the 5770, it has 2 power connectors vs 1 on the 5770, just wondering if this will run much hotter etc?


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Only a couple of days before the HD6870 and HD6850 are released.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/19/amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-hd-6850-officially-pictured-coming-this/

    Presumably most of the reviews are written at this stage and will become available after release. Hopefully it delivers what it is promising. Just worried though as to power draw etc. If the 6870 is replacing the 5770, it has 2 power connectors vs 1 on the 5770, just wondering if this will run much hotter etc?

    Going by the naming convention the 6870 is going to be high end like the 5870 of the current gen. Two power connectors wouldn't be out of place on a higher end card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Going by the naming convention the 6870 is going to be high end like the 5870 of the current gen. Two power connectors wouldn't be out of place on a higher end card.

    I think they are changing the naming convention - this card will be slower than the current 5870. Dont know what the 5870 equivalent will be, 6890?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Lu Tze wrote: »
    I think they are changing the naming convention - this card will be slower than the current 5870. Dont know what the 5870 equivalent will be, 6890?

    I did not know that. Hope it's not true, I'm sick of learning new naming conventions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    I did not know that. Hope it's not true, I'm sick of learning new naming conventions.

    I hate change or anything different as well :pac:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Busy week for AMD, they were giving their first public public demos of Llano yesterday as well

    http://www.zdnet.com/blog/computers/amd-shows-fusion-power-first-public-32nm-llano-demonstrations/4095


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