M9 motorway (general thread)

linny · 29-01-2015 9:14am

mountcisco wrote: »

An Bord Pleanala has given the go-ahead for an offline service area adjacent to Junction 7 Paulstown on M9

This is great news for all traveling from Waterford/Kilkenny on the m9

STIG83 · 29-01-2015 1:30pm

That be good, saves me driving to Castledermot for a pit stop.

Al Capwned · 29-01-2015 7:00pm

But Castledermot is a right place for a pitstop.....

fricatus · 10-02-2015 1:02pm

Anyone know what the works and lane closures between J9 and 10 (Kilkenny and Knocktopher) are in aid of?

road_high · 10-02-2015 11:58pm

fricatus wrote: »

Anyone know what the works and lane closures between J9 and 10 (Kilkenny and Knocktopher) are in aid of?

Are these ongoing now?

It's crazy, no stretch of the M9 has escaped closure for various works and repairs after barely 5 years opening. Can see more happening too between J8 and J7 northbound just after kilkenny going up the hill as there's a hump in the road that appears to be getting worse...

fricatus · 11-02-2015 9:56am

road_high wrote: »

Are these ongoing now?

Yes, from Monday to Friday of this week according to AA Roadwatch. It's down to one lane for a stretch, but the delay is minimal - about two minutes sitting at 90 km/h, which is hardly a penance.

road_high wrote: »

It's crazy, no stretch of the M9 has escaped closure for various works and repairs after barely 5 years opening. Can see more happening too between J8 and J7 northbound just after kilkenny going up the hill as there's a hump in the road that appears to be getting worse...

I dunno, I think maybe you're being a bit harsh. It was a big project, and they were never going to escape some sort of issue. It seems they're being proactive in fixing problems before they get out of hand.

It's pretty normal in other countries. I remember going up the North a lot between about 2002 and 2006, and every time I went there was a contraflow on the A1 while they resurfaced some stretch or other.

And whatever you do, don't start complaining about the M9 to anyone who's had to drive the stretch of M1 between Luton and the M25...

I think the roadworks there might still be ongoing! :pac:

Sully · 12-02-2015 11:27pm

fricatus wrote: »

Anyone know what the works and lane closures between J9 and 10 (Kilkenny and Knocktopher) are in aid of?

Looks like drainage work as they have dug a trench along the central medium so I assume?

fricatus · 13-02-2015 10:10am

Sully wrote: »

Looks like drainage work as they have dug a trench along the central medium so I assume?

Yeah, it looks like they're doing something like that all right. I know that there's a curve just as you head north of Knocktopher that gets a lot of water flowing across it when there's heavy rain, and I'd say that was the concern that prompted these works.

Captain Havoc · 13-02-2015 10:15am

fricatus wrote: »

And whatever you do, don't start complaining about the M9 to anyone who's had to drive the stretch of M1 between Luton and the M25... I think the roadworks there might still be ongoing! :pac:

It's not too much better up north , drove from Bradford to Coventry on Tuesday, 50mph a good lot of the way.

barneygumble99 · 30-03-2015 6:28pm

M9 fully opened northbound at the new service station location. When is the service station itself due to open? Doesn't seem to be much building going on.

road_high · 30-03-2015 10:04pm

barneygumble99 wrote: »

M9 fully opened northbound at the new service station location. When is the service station itself due to open? Doesn't seem to be much building going on.

'Bout bleedin time. I don't think they've even started building that yet. Just the flyover and approach roads/layout.

Bards · 03-04-2015 7:56pm

road_high wrote: »

'Bout bleedin time. I don't think they've even started building that yet. Just the flyover and approach roads/layout.

Looks that way ok, Clonmel Enterprises seems to have just had the enabling works contract for the MSA

http://www.clonmelent.com/projectlist/2015/1/7/m9-kilcullen-msa

fricatus · 06-04-2015 2:27pm

Somebody wasn't paying attention and drove straight through (as in literally through) the roundabout at the Waterford end of the motorway over the past day or two.

From the pattern of the wheel tracks and the dirt on the ground it looks like they went straight into the roundabout from the M9, demolished the signs, continued across, then turned right and went back around the roundabout, taking the exit for the N25 and city centre.

:eek:

There is definitely a case for rumble strips. Yes there's plenty of signage to say a roundabout is coming up, but it's been demonstrated now beyond debate that there are people who just do not pay attention until they are literally shaken into doing so.

Sully · 06-04-2015 10:26pm

fricatus wrote: »

Somebody wasn't paying attention and drove straight through (as in literally through) the roundabout at the Waterford end of the motorway over the past day or two.

From the pattern of the wheel tracks and the dirt on the ground it looks like they went straight into the roundabout from the M9, demolished the signs, continued across, then turned right and went back around the roundabout, taking the exit for the N25 and city centre.

:eek:

There is definitely a case for rumble strips. Yes there's plenty of signage to say a roundabout is coming up, but it's been demonstrated now beyond debate that there are people who just do not pay attention until they are literally shaken into doing so.

Saw that. Some drivers are idiots though. Had one person in a MPV drive in the overtaking lane and was oblivious to cars flashing and beeping to get passed - resulting in cars having to undertake.

road_high · 07-04-2015 4:48pm

Sully wrote: »

Saw that. Some drivers are idiots though. Had one person in a MPV drive in the overtaking lane and was oblivious to cars flashing and beeping to get passed - resulting in cars having to undertake.

Sounds like just a normal day on any Irish motorway or dual carriageway in my frustrating experience. Amount of drivers that are not able to use a motorway is scary. I'll to add this I find young females the worst offenders for sitting/hogging lanes.....

Autosport · 07-04-2015 7:46pm

road_high wrote: »

Sounds like just a normal day on any Irish motorway or dual carriageway in my frustrating experience. Amount of drivers that are not able to use a motorway is scary. I'll to add this I find young females the worst offenders for sitting/hogging lanes.....

And also males in my experience

Comedy of Errors · 08-04-2015 9:51am

fricatus wrote: »

Somebody wasn't paying attention and drove straight through (as in literally through) the roundabout at the Waterford end of the motorway over the past day or two.

From the pattern of the wheel tracks and the dirt on the ground it looks like they went straight into the roundabout from the M9, demolished the signs, continued across, then turned right and went back around the roundabout, taking the exit for the N25 and city centre.

:eek:

There is definitely a case for rumble strips. Yes there's plenty of signage to say a roundabout is coming up, but it's been demonstrated now beyond debate that there are people who just do not pay attention until they are literally shaken into doing so.

People just get hypnotised into doing motorway speeds then it's on them before they think.
See also the Dunkettle Interchange at the end of the M8, you come down a big hill onto that, surprised there's not more rear enders going on.

Chris_5339762 · 08-04-2015 9:21pm

The 100kmh section and the bendiness of the Glanmire bypass seems to wake people up. But with the M9 its just 120kmh straight into a roundabout.

veryangryman · 09-04-2015 8:24am

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

The 100kmh section and the bendiness of the Glanmire bypass seems to wake people up. But with the M9 its just 120kmh straight into a roundabout.

Waterford though, you get the view of the splendour of the new bridge quite a bit back. Something there should wake one up that the roundabout is near. Ok, not somebody using it for first time...

STIG83 · 14-05-2015 10:34am

Any word when the Kilcullen Service Area will be built?
Ground work and poles are up for signage and bridge constructed.

SoupyNorman · 20-05-2015 9:18am

STIG83 wrote: »

Any word when the Kilcullen Service Area will be built?
Ground work and poles are up for signage and bridge constructed.

One can only assume soon as the ground seems to be levelled off in preparation.

It's going to be an Applegreen yes?

Schadenfreudia · 21-05-2015 6:13pm

SoupyNorman wrote: »

It's going to be an Applegreen yes?

You seem to know the answer!

rameire · 21-05-2015 7:08pm

I thought it was a Topaz and a Burger king. mmmmmmmm.

hi5 · 22-05-2015 10:03am

The sinking at the overpasses at Paulstown seem to be coming back again, they were repaired a few years ago:(

Trick of the Tail · 23-05-2015 10:56pm

Topaz, of course, as Denis O'Brien owns them now.

SoupyNorman · 24-05-2015 5:25pm

Trick of the Tail wrote: »

Topaz, of course, as Denis O'Brien owns them now.

I will put aside my prejudice for this particular Topaz due how unbelievably useful this will be.

D Trent · 24-05-2015 5:51pm

SoupyNorman wrote: »

I will put aside my prejudice for this particular Topaz due how unbelievably useful this will be.

Regardless of the fact that it will cost €7 for a tall Re.Store coffee ðŸ˜‚

radharc · 25-05-2015 2:19pm

Definitely Topaz according to the Sunday Business Post, not sure what franchise for the restaurant

tonc76 · 25-05-2015 2:22pm

radharc wrote: »

Definitely Topaz according to the Sunday Business Post, not sure what franchise for the restaurant

link?

radharc · 25-05-2015 2:38pm

tonc76 wrote: »

link?

I read it on the SBP.

radharc · 09-06-2015 9:35am

What a situation the M9 is now in regarding the provision of services:

Junction 2/3 (KILCULLEN): Official MSA to be opened by end of 2015, Topaz are the preferred bidder.

Junction 5 (CARLOW SOUTH): Topaz off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 6 (MILFORD): Applegreen off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 7 (PAULSTOWN): Private developer has received full planning permission from ABP for off-line station.

So 2 confirmed permissions and 2 with ABP in the space of 60km! Obviously assume Topaz would drop J5 if they are selected for the NRA tender.

D Trent · 09-06-2015 3:26pm

radharc wrote: »

What a situation the M9 is now in regarding the provision of services:

Junction 2/3 (KILCULLEN): Official MSA to be opened by end of 2015, Topaz are the preferred bidder.

Junction 5 (CARLOW SOUTH): Topaz off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 6 (MILFORD): Applegreen off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 7 (PAULSTOWN): Private developer has received full planning permission from ABP for off-line station.

So 2 confirmed permissions and 2 with ABP in the space of 60km! Obviously assume Topaz would drop J5 if they are selected for the NRA tender.

Your assumption is that The Greedy get less greedy?

Not in this world pal !

L1011 · 09-06-2015 3:29pm

D Trent wrote: »

Your assumption is that The Greedy get less greedy?

Not in this world pal !

No, I'd say he assumes that they realise that cannibalising their own traffic is a bad idea.

road_high · 11-06-2015 9:36pm

Seems total overkill. And nothing planned around Kilkenny or south of that? Least there they'd be a big local trade as well as from the motorway.

road_high · 11-06-2015 10:15pm

D Trent wrote: »

Your assumption is that The Greedy get less greedy?

Not in this world pal !

Thing is there wouldn't be the business there for all so close to eachother so I don't think it's greed, just bad business. Services at every junction make no sense and if all these are built, they'll be all half empty most days.

rameire · 08-07-2015 6:48pm

Cones have been placed northbound and southbound on the M9 at the new services slips, also signs indicating haard shoulders are closed.

Hopefully this will be the start of the construction of the actual services.

Sully · 08-07-2015 6:51pm

Am I the only one to notice the amount of dips in the road? With some signage warning of the problem. Up around Kilkenny mostly. The last time I passed that way they were digging on the hard shoulder on an embankment for some reason

D Trent · 08-07-2015 8:38pm

rameire wrote: »

Cones have been placed northbound and southbound on the M9 at the new services slips, also signs indicating haard shoulders are closed.

Hopefully this will be the start of the construction of the actual services.

Anyone know will it be Topaz or Applegreen ?

STIG83 · 10-07-2015 12:31am

D Trent wrote: »

Anyone know will it be Topaz or Applegreen ?

Hopefully AG

AugustusMinimus · 10-07-2015 9:59pm

Just a thought with the new stretch of M11 opening.

Instead of having built the M9, should we have simply built a motorway from Waterford to Enniscorthy and tie in with the M11.

It would have given Waterford motorway access to Dublin and would have helped take pressure off the Naas dual carriageway. Would have been a lot cheaper too.

Schadenfreudia · 10-07-2015 10:19pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Just a thought with the new stretch of M11 opening.

Instead of having built the M9, should we have simply built a motorway from Waterford to Enniscorthy and tie in with the M11.

It would have given Waterford motorway access to Dublin and would have helped take pressure off the Naas dual carriageway. Would have been a lot cheaper too.

But what about Carlow and Kilkenny?

Never mind that the N11 into Dublin is even more congested than the M7/Naas Road.

veryangryman · 11-07-2015 12:01am

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

But what about Carlow and Kilkenny?

Both glorified towns, give them both a WS2 bypass (if even) and move on

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Never mind that the N11 into Dublin is even more congested than the M7/Naas Road.

Sort the hippies out by (i dunno) ignoring them with a proper motorway through glen and bobs your uncle

Schadenfreudia · 11-07-2015 1:00am

veryangryman wrote: »

Sort the hippies out by (i dunno) ignoring them with a proper motorway through glen and bobs your uncle

If only!

The restrictions in the Glen on "environmental" grounds are the most bizarre ever perpetrated in the name of....basically nothing!

Your insults to CW and KK are noted and rejected...

road_high · 11-07-2015 10:54am

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Just a thought with the new stretch of M11 opening.

Instead of having built the M9, should we have simply built a motorway from Waterford to Enniscorthy and tie in with the M11.

It would have given Waterford motorway access to Dublin and would have helped take pressure off the Naas dual carriageway. Would have been a lot cheaper too.

The NRA did an analysis of both and went with the M9, and rightly so. It serves a far greater swath of the country. The N11 skirts the Coast for a lot of it's journey and no one live in the sea. The M9 doubles as a link to the midlands and beyond, the M11 mainly Dublin.
And how would it have been cheaper considering its a longer distance? The M9 was the obvious choice. Terrain was easier too.
South of Arklow stretches of the M11 are often empty. One could argue these were overkill (I wouldn't as complete infrastructure is a good thing).

AugustusMinimus · 11-07-2015 11:34am

My other thought is whether the M9 should have been realigned the enter Dublin along the N81 ?

road_high · 11-07-2015 4:48pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

My other thought is whether the M9 should have been realigned the enter Dublin along the N81 ?

Nice idea but the terrain would be difficult and go through some scenic areas. Also no large towns in west Wicklow but would have been a nice weight off the Naas road.

rameire · 11-07-2015 8:21pm

rameire wrote: »

Cones have been placed northbound and southbound on the M9 at the new services slips, also signs indicating haard shoulders are closed.

Hopefully this will be the start of the construction of the actual services.

False alarm, cones are gone and grass has been cut.

jd · 11-07-2015 9:01pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Just a thought with the new stretch of M11 opening.

Instead of having built the M9, should we have simply built a motorway from Waterford to Enniscorthy and tie in with the M11.

It would have given Waterford motorway access to Dublin and would have helped take pressure off the Naas dual carriageway. Would have been a lot cheaper too.

That was under strong consideration about 20 years ago. The N11 would have gone on the West side of Enniscorthy rather than the east. It would have meant that Waterford - Rosslare (present N25) would have been (mostly) motorway.

linny · 04-08-2015 10:07am

radharc wrote: »

What a situation the M9 is now in regarding the provision of services:

Junction 2/3 (KILCULLEN): Official MSA to be opened by end of 2015, Topaz are the preferred bidder.

Junction 5 (CARLOW SOUTH): Topaz off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 6 (MILFORD): Applegreen off-line development currently with An Bord Pleanala, having been granted permission by Carlow CC

Junction 7 (PAULSTOWN): Private developer has received full planning permission from ABP for off-line station.

So 2 confirmed permissions and 2 with ABP in the space of 60km! Obviously assume Topaz would drop J5 if they are selected for the NRA tender.

looks like the junction 6 station is no more
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/244827.htm

road_high · 04-08-2015 11:53am

linny wrote: »

looks like the junction 6 station is no more
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/244827.htm

Made no sense once the one at Paulstown has started and one at kilcullen whenever they decide to crack on with.

M9 motorway (general thread)

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