Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Archer3083 wrote: »

I think the future for Clare is a lot brighter than Cork. Clare have outstanding talent coming through the underage set up at the moment. If Clare do not win the All-Ireland this year, they will certainly be able to return next year and challenge, and also challenge for many more years unless immigration and injury affect the talented young players. Underage talent would be very desirable but realistically teams just need maybe 2-3 new players every year to keep things fresh and strengthen a panel. I think under JBM players like Harnedy have been unearthed. I'm sure JBM will continue this process.

This may seem a stupid question at this point in time but does anyone know what JBM will do if Cork win tomorrow. Will he see out his 3 years with Cork? Would he be happy to seek out an extension to 5 years or more? In 1999 he left after Cork won an All-Ireland. Inter county management is an incredibly demanding job. It takes unbelievable dedication to do the job for even one year.

I really do hope that JBM's contract is extended whether Cork win or lose. I hope he's given another 3 years to continue the progress and development.

Different than 99 jbm had other commitments,he has none now.


Jbm is here for another three years win or loose,one more defo.

Then he will be offered,two more.That is a done deal.

But the examiner the same paper said harnedy was out ,juliet was a doubt and sheehan and walsh meant be training will prob run with a story jbm considerng future,just to see a paper.


Theres only a very few good writers there.


Win or loose jbm and cork are winners to any geuine hard core fans.


They will be a few that criticise him if we loose ,but F*** them.

Cork know he has done a fantastic job,and if their was an award would won manager of the year.

Nerves starting now ..leaving in 45 minutes.


Cork - will bunch midfield and the half back aera under the puckouts is the school of thought.Id be worried that the case,as clear want ruck ball and are like a blindside in rubgy at the breakdown.


Cronin much better health wise,harndy and cian should break even.That al we need to do.Lorchan and lehane have a vital job with the breaks.

Thats why coughlan needs to be used early as he is a gd man breaking ball.

Im confident of a huge display from cork and we will win.If clare put in the same performance or better than the last day,were in big trouble.

Thats a hard ask.


Today should be a gd test,barometer of our lads ,and in what we need for next year.


Today is a great chance at the same time.


Win or loose,its great to be a cork man.Irish by birth ,Cork by the Grace of God.

Archer3083 wrote: »

I think the future for Clare is a lot brighter than Cork. Clare have outstanding talent coming through the underage set up at the moment. If Clare do not win the All-Ireland this year, they will certainly be able to return next year and challenge, and also challenge for many more years unless immigration and injury affect the talented young players. Underage talent would be very desirable but realistically teams just need maybe 2-3 new players every year to keep things fresh and strengthen a panel. I think under JBM players like Harnedy have been unearthed. I'm sure JBM will continue this process.

This may seem a stupid question at this point in time but does anyone know what JBM will do if Cork win tomorrow. Will he see out his 3 years with Cork? Would he be happy to seek out an extension to 5 years or more? In 1999 he left after Cork won an All-Ireland. Inter county management is an incredibly demanding job. It takes unbelievable dedication to do the job for even one year.

I really do hope that JBM's contract is extended whether Cork win or lose. I hope he's given another 3 years to continue the progress and development.

The talent is in cork,more so than clare,i c it at club games,harty ,colledges etc.

Unlike clare and tipp and waterford and limerick we dnt invest money in the teams or the right manager.

After the harty game wed, ard scoil had a meal paid by the school in mallow gaa afterwards,and a bus to take them down etc.

Bandon or sum cork schools didnt have the same luxury.


The farce that cork gaa is run by ,is seen by the tickets for the after match function tngt.25 euro,bv at the end of the ticket it says all money goes to the players holiday fune.

I welcome the function ,but no way should cork need money for the hoilday.The wealthiest board in the county.A joke.

I hope the Pairc is refused,the scale of it.

Expect pa callaghan ,michael cahalane to feature with cork panel next year or year after with alan cadogan.


Clare have done the same with such lads same age ,jbm done it with sweetman doing the leaving cert.

Cahalane had a poor second half wed bt still got 3-4,in the harty cup.


Big and strong,he needs to involved with the hurling or he be lost to football.

Pa callaghan is a super star in the making,hindered by poor underage management.

Guy has pace,skill,strong,and can hurl of both sides and a blistering shot.

William kearney twin,daniel,and leigh desmond and colm spillane be worth a look.

Jamie wall may be watched.The more i c of bud hartnett im not convinced.

Eoin keane ,with a year of hurling under him ,should be watched.


Cormac walsh midelton another talent.


Kenny and murphy may nt be their next year.Superb servants and ambassadors of the game.


Cussen and naughton should savour today as they wnt be their next year.

Sullivan may be their.

Ellis wnt be.

Killan murphy another solid defender.

what a total downer!great effort by the lads to keep in touch with them,have to say though well done Clare,they played some serious hurling and deserved their victory.

First of all congrats to clare a superb team,and better team won.


Clare did hit the same level as the last day but cork played much better in the second halfbt the goals killed us.


If you had said nash would conceded five goals,the last time 2007 against waterford i would have said what are you sniffing.


I thougt he would concede one but nt 3 but not a hope five.But bar one i could not fault him,as the four were superb goals and two he had no protection at all from hes full bactj.

He s free was sum goal,to beat 12 men n the line,unreal unreal.He must be the only goalie that can concede five and win an all star.


Shane o neill,i had doubts about he being a Natural comanding full back.He was good the last day against honan but today was brutally exposed in what i always said,you must have a natural full back against a real quailty goal getter in Tots.I didnt think he would start.He did not even think it himself.

Mcdonnell was superb ,at corner back,i wouldnt have started him -but he was v good.A v gd corner back.My preference was lorchan at five,and he was the one to loose out.Next year he is grand as a corner back.


Lorchan must be at half back.I had reservations about him as a midfield man,while better today its nt hes position.


Sul done v good bar like o neill a dreadful mistake for two goals.

Egan was awful.

Joyce was magnificent and grew in to the game,sum amount ball he hurled in the second half.He is one for next year.


Kearney a good game,as he was up against but needs a more balanced partner,lorchan not it.


Lehane poor game,has the talent,but two points poor return.

Cian mac i said i had doubts to start him,he was awful.Not up to it,he is a sub at best.


Cronin fought hard,won gd ball but not hes best.

I was accused of being bonkers when i said luke should get 20 min,no more.I was correct,and today showed that.He had six games,hasnt delivered should nt lasted so long .

Horgan very good,limited ball and has the al star.

Best man til last.Seamus harnedy take a bow,FFS words dnt do you justice ,but i wil try.

Brave,brillant,honest,skilful,a braveheart, in all magnicficent.One goal and two,cd got another goal,made three points,wn lots dirty ball.


The work rate of the ball,was unreal.Our find of the season and from play ,with scores,overall contrbution ,even ahead of pat horgan,my view our best ever forward this year.
He got our first points in the drawn clare game,and dublin game,always at the pace of the game.
One twelve in six champ games,unreal.

An all star.You gave your all.again he suprised me he would be better than i thought.Yes he could turn water in to wine.

We unearthed a gem,he wil be better and a future captain of corkTo find him,the season is already a success.wel ****ing done seamus.

I said naughton shouldnt be usf.Again i was right.Awful in possesion,ponderus and al he has is pace.when harnedy AGAIN when the need was greatest,plucked a superb ball at the edge of the square,naughton was the last man you wantf to c ,get it.Why couldnt it have been moylan or lehane.

Naughton dropped it.The chance to be a hero, and draw the game,he blew it.I have said it many times,he aint up to it.Thank god,thats the last game for him in a cork shirt.

That was hes last game for cork.

Jamie coughlan was much better sub,and i dnt want be harsh on jbm but to pick naughton over jamie was a poor call.

Kenny dne good as a sub.

White i doubted him,wdnt have rated him but he was very good,credit due.

He tightened up the defence,a lot.


Cork i said last nght needed three players.Just three,you can win an all ireland with two average guys,but you need at least 13 top men,and like clare and the superb tots,a real game changer.

I always say you Must have a spine ,of a team at 3 .6,in the middle,cf and full forward.

We have at one at midfield,one at cb,but we need a full back ,a midfielder and a cf,or half forward.

Full back was exposed brutally when the third goal was scored with two cork men went for one ball,o neill never minded the house and a goal.
A good full back plays the aera nt the man.That doesnt mean o neill is poor,he is top quailty defender,nt a full.


When u c shane o donnell ,at 19 and tony kelly and darren sweetnaham,then cork must invest in michael cahalane,pa callaghan,and have them on the senior panel.


Jbm must take the bull by the horns,as if poor managers at underage are in place,those lads wnt develop,but jbm can get them and save them.


Its gut wrenching to loose,but no one expected us to be here at the start of the year.


We are the most improved team ,as we came from nowhere.jbm and them deserve huge respect ,and admiration for what he has done.

He has brought pride,enjoyment to cork hurling,and when lessers teams would have died we never gave up 8 down,kept coming back,and no shame our disgrace to beaten this clare team.

In 2010 we beaten by kk in a semifinal,we were beaten after 20,we gjve up.Today we were beaten after 16 min,bt we never gave up.

Thats the diff,between cork under walsh and cork under jbm.

Two of the greatest finals ever,a worthy champion,and a superb tactian,who knew cork were weak at full back ,but had the balls to pick o donnell at full forward,and went for the julgar and it paid off.

Moylan was fantastic when he came on,super point and goal,and tracking back in the corner back,at one stage.


I said he should came on earlier for luke.

The draw next year is thur night live rte.

Munster may be best served nt winning it as youd have to peak two early to win it,its so competitve.


We dnt want clare ist round.

Limerick or waterford suit us fine.The sheedy talk seems to died down,if they dnt get sheedy,and depending who they get i wdnt fear them in cork .

Waterford ,again who is the manager?i wdnt mind them.Itr not saying that we are certs to win,nt at all,just their the easier two outside tipp and clare.

We dont need to be on their side of the draw.To get to a munster final,be good,as we cd loose,and just 3 games then.


Be great clare,tipp met first round.Tipp i expect to be very good at the very least in Munster next year.


Its been a good year,but div 2 will hurt us,when we try blood young lads,we wnt know how good they are.
Id say kenny and murphy will retire,from what i heard tngt.

Paudie be back.We have defenders options.

Cussen,naughton,bud,all gone.Michael o sul shoujhd gt game time today, nt sure he stay next year.

yomtea98 wrote: »

Knackered, disappointed and proud

Same here,im irish but more importantly im a cork man.Proud as bunch,still wear cork jersey during the week.Hope they get a huge crowd homecoming.

Archer3083 wrote: »

I wasn't at the game. I watched it on the telly. I thought Cork could have benefitted from being more cynical. For the first two goals I felt Cork defenders could have hauled down the man and given away free scoring opportunities to Colin Ryan. I was shouting at the television, 'Bring him down' and nothing happened except for a pass off to Shane O Donnell and a goal. Better team won. Cork need to find better players in defence and midfield. Harnedy, Horgan, Cronin and Lehane had good games up front but Cork's defence was nervous and shaky all day. Midfield of McLoughlin and Kearney was cleaned out! I wouldn't call for wholesale changes. I think Cork need to find 3-4 key players in those areas

Agree we needed a cynacism to our play,like the rock had.The last time we conceded five with nash was in 2007 against waterford when the rock was misring.

Lehane was poor,cronin good at best,horgan good but its dissrespectful to say they were in the same league as harnedy.

He was inspirational, our best forward by a country mile, he got scores ,made them-won frees,and only for him we were ****ed,up **** creek without a paddle.

He would have bn man of the match from a cork perspective.Our best player ,unlucky nt to get two goals.

One_More_Mile wrote: »

A natural fullback & dominant, aggressive center back would have made all the difference today. Stats will show Shane O Neill left in 4-3 to he's opposite marker

Having i been saying that we need a natural full back last hour,even ten months.

Joyce thunderd in to the game in the second half,but again they were under savage pressure as cian wasnt mobile to win any ball at h forward and cronin was in at full.

O farell was useless,should have walked after 20.
Want to c next full back go to ucc and sars next week.

Archer3083 wrote: »

Luke O'Farrell was incredibly poor both days. He doesn't lack skill but he certainly lacks physicality. There was a softness about this Cork team all over the field today. I think Clare knew they could and did bully them!

In most aeras we were bullied i agree.Cronin as big as he is was blown out of it,by aggression hunger tenacity of clare.

Lehane lacks that mindset ,farell the same.They nd to get it fast,or be like naughton.Lehane i have confidence,o farell i am doubtful.

Thats why and i said it wks back midelton are grand flashy dans hurling club games ,but in a dog fight i remain convinced they wil win the county.

A team like na piasaigh or carrig cd beat them where mideltn could beat the sars in a shootout etc.

999/112 wrote: »

Das rite, he was a "one trick" pony today, and what a trick.
Clare have another "trick" ....... his name is Shane "Hat Trick" O'Donnell!!!

Not very dignified. And in response to your post Cork have 30 titles and Clare have how many?????? 4

Amprodude wrote: »

I know. But every year is different. If they dont get any injuries to key players this Clare team have few All Irelands in them. As for Cork i dont know where it will lead us? Div 2 hurling will not help.

I agree but when you look at guys like duggan,alan o neill,clancy shows their strength in depth with the two o connells boc in particular.



Clare have won an all ireland,many clare teams past would loose,but this team is a special team,a different team,as they dnt know defeat,unlike cork they know just one way to win.


Their underage was reviewed in 2010,seanie mcmahon and jamsie etc tore up the succesful manual and wanted it changed as said clare must keep evolvimg to be succesful.They have an astute manager,one of the best around,who will get all the help he needs with his dad the chairman.

The only thing that will hinder clare is complacency however they have a huge advantage.They won this all ireland nt beating the big two kilkenny and tiq.


Next year cute davy will say they have to beat them to get full respect and it will drive them on.Clare when beaten in june i posted clare thread dnt panic,all the posters wanted davy head.

I said stick with him til the end of the year,judge him then.I said it remained to be seen would he win ye an all ireland,but he was the best man for clare.

Davy will build an empire with them.Most these lads dnt drink.


At the u17 tournament,a guy called loughanne at midfield i singled out.There is huge talent in clare.



I said it fri night,said it all year long,win or loose we have serious problems.But we are much better than last year,but we nd to not panic now ,just get three players.

Next year i cnt c us winning it.The year after if we make progress.We are ahead of limerick thanks to allen,and waterford,and galway,so were a bit more developed.


A lot depends their new managers.

Pat mulchay done a review,like an affadivit of schools,underage in cork,what needed to be done,as he was with the development squads.Frank and the board ignored it,pat mul walked away.


Everything i said all year about this cork team i was right,bar white impressed me yesterday.


Horgan i said had to stand up ,he did,fantastic year-as he was last chance saloon.

We should have had a natural three in the league,injury to spillane,keane didnt help.

Lorchan isnt a midfielder,half back.

Joyce nds be left centre,to develop,and nt like keith earls,jack all trades master of none.

We need a balance with kearney.

We needed another ball winner,half forward,we found that and much more,harnedy,what a find.

Luke should be panel next year,but told shape up,ship ov.Mindset more than anything.

Cough5an has to become regular cork,maybee midfield.

Naughton was useless,one stage beared down n goal,froze ,turned back dropped ball.

When i saw him on as ist sub,i knew we were beaten.

Leigh desmond must be looked at,spillane,michael cahalane,pa callaghan etc.Ian cahill of cloyne a super full back,at 17 must be watched.

Invest in youth.The minor and u21 managers cd be as important as yesterday.If we get two clueless managers,i will have no hair or teeth left.

Amprodude wrote: »

Honan scored a vital goal fair play to him. He played his part when he came on and did what was needed. He is still a one trick pony though my opinion wont change there

Enjoy the celebrations and the win, your team fully deserved it and earned it.

Honan scored game was over,practially.He would suited o neill,down to the ground after the ist day.

He is nothing like tots who has sumthing like 6-7 in a handful games.

Amprodude wrote: »

Still gutted.

The one thing i would be worried about as a Cork fan tonight is we may not be contesting an All Ireland Final for a long time again you will have Clare KK Tipp Waterford Dublin and Galway back next year and div2 hurling will send us back a good bit. Winning Munster would be a stepping stone next year but unlikely.

Heartbroken but beaten by a better team. No shame in that.

Last year i would have taken munster.The way its so competitve,its about peaking,i wouldnt focus on it,bar to get to a final.


Limerick won it and its just held them back,they thought and sum still live in a fanatsy that there as good as that and believe they would beat clare if they met again.The players are their,but need the right manager ,but it seems sheedy isnt in their yet.

Id rather get to an all ireland final than win munster be honest.

Amprodude wrote: »

I agree.

With div2 hurling we will only go backwards. The progress we made this year was unreal but when JBM tries out new players in League we wont know how good they are or if they are up to it until first round of championship. We are years behind most other hurling counties in terms of development squads. We have alot of clubs in Cork, we are a big county with a big population. I would be hopeful in that regard that Cork can put a good team together and be back competing again each year in the future.
We badly need Silverware. Nothing since 2006 is an unbelievable Stat for Cork hurling. Thats the 3rd replay we have lost since 2007 in Championship. Lost League Final and Munster Final 2010. League Final 2012, Lost relegation playoff 2013 and Munster and All Ireland 2013. We need to end this losing streak soon.

The development squads hurling are doing now v good,the problem is there is no progression of their managers to minor etc ,instead clowns get the job and it becomes a circus.