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Armed Police in Ireland

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    Goonerdee wrote: »

    Ooops, I didn't make it clear in my post that British Transport Police only operate in GB only and are not a UK wide force.

    I was under the impression they were the Airport police but it seems they only cover the ports and railways in GB.

    Any UK airport I've been in, and thats a lot of them, were looked after by their local police force, not BTP. As far as I'm aware BTP look after rail only


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Goonerdee


    MarkMc wrote: »
    Any UK airport I've been in, and thats a lot of them, were looked after by their local police force, not BTP. As far as I'm aware BTP look after rail only

    Yes, that is correct, I was mixing up the ports and airports.

    Nearly all airports in GB are manned by local police forces, there may be one or two airports with airport police but I think these would be smaller airports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    BTP AFAIK are funded by the railway companies and Network Rail.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,506 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I was in East Midlands Airport a few years back. They had armed police on patrol, was a little surprised as it's a pretty small airport, but I guess the threat can come from anywhere, and maybe they figure risk isn't exclusive to more popular airports. Can't recall if I saw any in Leeds Bradford - it's a pretty pokey place as well, wouldn't surprise me if they had an overt presence there, too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    When you consider that Glasgow was attacked, then security at the smaller, regional UK airports may be justified.


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AllthingsCP


    An Cigire wrote: »
    Ive done some research into thos subject as it intrigued me...

    The Airport Police In the North of Ireland are employed by the Belfast International Airport Authority which a private limited company and its Airport Police Officers are attested as Constables to perform duties as such and carry their relevant powers on all lands & roadways that constitute an Aerodrome.

    In practice when arresting a offender they transfer them over their prisoners to the PSNI and use there custody facilities. According to a member in Norn Iron anyways..

    The Airport Police in the South of Ireland are employed by the Dublin/Cork/Shannon Airport Authorities each of which is a State owned Public Authority and their Airport Police Officers are appointed as Authorised Officers to perform duties as such and carry their relevant powers on all lands & roadways that constitute an Aerodrome.

    The every day threat environment in the 6 counties of the North is far different from life down south. The policing sevice required to match this is evident when you compare the PSNI to the Gardai.

    This is not to exonerate the Irish State Airport from any terrosist threat but the DAA Police work closely with the Gardai to proactively respond to threats and I've seen them operating checkpoints stopping cars and asking drivers what their purpose is in the airport. This may be only for reassurance policing purposes but it is also effective at deterring those with criminal intent I imagine from coming to airport.


    The only armed policing unit in the south of Ireland that secures a piece of civil infrastructure is the Military Police Garrison in the Goverment Buildings Quarter in Dublin. The Gardai don't undertake any similar armed static uniformed duties in the state.



    The Provost Guard is a wing of the Military Police they do static guarding in the Government Building along with the Gardai.

    Armed Gardai are present in the presidential Home, Along with Members of the Irish Defense Force


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AllthingsCP


    Irish Customs handle Ports, Airports and policing of the roads and have the power to arrested and detain


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Irish Customs handle Ports, Airports and policing of the roads and have the power to arrested and detain

    They do what now????


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AllthingsCP


    They do what now????

    Irish Customs similar to UK Border force have different divisions for Airports, Naval Ports, And Public roads, they have the power to stop and detain you make arrests, but as far as i know do not carry arms


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,649 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I feel safe in the knowledge that we have no requirement for armed patrols on our transport hubs.
    I think tourists do. I always laugh at the ones on the UK. I really do't think they know how to handle them, and feel threatened by there presence.

    EireGun your user name is a bit odd but suits the thread, it gives the image of you been a member of a paramilitary group or on support of one.

    As for guards at embassies they are local guards to the embassy so its British police at there embassy, us police at there one and they carry the same arms as there coleagues


  • Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭PhotogTom


    I'd be pretty confident this story is true. My source is a golfing buddy of mine when I live in America who was a Captain of Detectives in a major American city. One of his postings was in charge of the police detail at the airport.

    This would have been many years ago - say early 90s. So this was long before Twin Towers, etc were attacked and visible, armed presence was not as acceptable. He had several teams of under cover police "armed" with H&K MP5's that fit into a case that looked much like a brief case. These guys were meant to patrol the airport. But, as he was told at his retirement party, the several hundred rounds of 9mm was very heavy. So they started carrying the guns with little or no ammunition. All they really did was follow attractive women around the concourse while making inappropriate comments over their earpiece radios.

    Makes you wonder just how effective all that armed presence is? Just sayin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    ted1 wrote: »
    I feel safe in the knowledge that we have no requirement for armed patrols on our transport hubs.
    I think tourists do. I always laugh at the ones on the UK. I really do't think they know how to handle them, and feel threatened by there presence.

    Just curious, what makes you think they don't know how to handle them? I believe they have to re-qualify a few times a year in order to carry those firearms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭guttenberg


    Remmy wrote: »
    Just curious, what makes you think they don't know how to handle them? I believe they have to re-qualify a few times a year in order to carry those firearms.

    I think Ted means tourists don't know how to act around armed police. Can they be approached and asked directions? will they engage in friendly chat or shout at them to back off?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    guttenberg wrote: »
    I think Ted means tourists don't know how to act around armed police. Can they be approached and asked directions? will they engage in friendly chat or shout at them to back off?

    Most tourists will be from countries where all Police are armed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,649 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    guttenberg wrote: »
    I think Ted means tourists don't know how to act around armed police. Can they be approached and asked directions? will they engage in friendly chat or shout at them to back off?
    I mean the police don't know how to handle them, they have zero experience pointing a gun at a human with intent to kill them. More than likely if they had to use them there would be civilian casualties, look at the poor Brazilian fellow killed on the tube station in England a few years back.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    ted1 wrote: »
    I mean the police don't know how to handle them, they have zero experience pointing a gun at a human with intent to kill them. More than likely if they had to use them there would be civilian casualties, look at the poor Brazilian fellow killed on the tube station in England a few years back.

    Ah would ya get off it. When police are armed, they go through strict training on where and when a gun should be produced or used. It's not 'more than likely' that there would be civilian casualties.

    Gardai have to write written reports every time they take out their extendable baton, and face disciplinery action if it was uncalled for. So imagine the risk of producing and aiming a gun in a situation where civ casualties are possible - they'd go to jail, and they'd know that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    And no, they don't need a swat team for Dublin Airport. What they need are more segways and yet another rebranding!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭AllthingsCP


    discus wrote: »
    And no, they don't need a swat team for Dublin Airport. What they need are more segways and yet another rebranding!!

    Aww mate brilliant!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    EireGun wrote: »
    I watched this video on YouTube of armed Gardai in Ireland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObal19T5zk), and now I'm interested. I just have a few questions regarding armed Police here...

    In Dublin Airport, are there any armed units (like RSU/ERU) that are stationed at the airport? I can't find much information on the web, but seeing that Dublin is one of the busiest airports in Europe it wouldn't make much sense if there wasn't a dedicated armed response there. What about the other airports? I understand there are GNIB Detectives (armed?) at our airports, but are there any US/UK-like armed Police patrolling overtly or covertly? What about any Defence Forces personnel at the airport? Another question about the airport (and others), does Ireland have any air marshals at all? I read before that the ARW/SDU/ERU are the only armed units capable of carrying out such tasks. But how common, if all, is it?

    Just regarding the embassies, are the security officials at the US & British (and other) embassies in Dublin armed? And are there armed Gardai guarding the embassies outside? What about US Pre-Clearance at Dublin & Shannon, are their officers armed? I've heard before that they are, but apparently according to the law they are not!?

    And lastly, I understand the RSU does not operate in the Dublin region. Why is this, and when will the capital city have it's own RSU units?

    Forgive my ignorance. Thanks in advance.

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    Bloody hell, you sound like a terrorist doing a bit of homework. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    Irish Customs similar to UK Border force have different divisions for Airports, Naval Ports, And Public roads, they have the power to stop and detain you make arrests, but as far as i know do not carry arms

    There are so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to begin correcting you.

    There is no "Irish Customs" as such. There is Revenue Enforcement, of which customs is a part, and who bear "Custaim" on their jackets. They deal with enforcement of all customs and excise offences.
    The UK border force is unlike the "Irish Customs" in that they also have an Immigration function.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    ted1 wrote: »
    I mean the police don't know how to handle them, they have zero experience pointing a gun at a human with intent to kill them. More than likely if they had to use them there would be civilian casualties, look at the poor Brazilian fellow killed on the tube station in England a few years back.

    C'mon back when you have the slightest clue what your talking about. Oh and just so you know, the intent is to stop , not kill. Police are not assassins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    ted1 wrote: »
    I mean the police don't know how to handle them, they have zero experience pointing a gun at a human with intent to kill them. More than likely if they had to use them there would be civilian casualties, look at the poor Brazilian fellow killed on the tube station in England a few years back.

    I dare say you have no knowledge at all about how Police / Garda training works when it comes to firearms.

    To give you an idea inside what sort of parameters armed Police operate you can use and research an example close to home; a good few chunks of the PSNI use of force guidelines and rules are in the public domain ( purposely put there ) and can be found on the web.

    Before a Garda/police officer is even allowed out of the training range with a live firearm it involves several weeks of intense training involving using the firearm and more importantly learning to asses violent situations properly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Well, we are in safe hands when it comes to maritime activities.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Gallery of Garda Emergency Response Unit, ERU, conducting anti-terror drills in Dublin alongside other European specialist Police units... Fascinating stuff.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Sniper teams and spotters from the Garda Síochána Emergency Response Unit (ERU) and Special Detective Unit (SDU) or "Special Branch"...


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    Armed Gardai (SWAT)
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    Garda Special Branch Spotters (anti-terrorism)
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    Garda Marksmen during security operation for state visit of Queen Elizabeth II to Republic of Ireland (2011)
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    Armed Gardai as part of heavy security for visit of President of the United States, Barack Obama, to Ireland in 2011
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    Covert Garda Marksman/Snipers embedding during rural counter-terrorism operation
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    Garda Counter-Snipers keep watch over Dublin City during Queen's visit to Dublin, May 2011
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    Garda Emergency Response Unit (ERU) Counter Assault Team (CAT)
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    Defence Forces Army Ranger Wing Snipers & Spotter (G2 Directorate of Intelligence)
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    Irish Army Ranger Wing (ARW) scout sniper keeps watch over Dublin City's Convention Centre in early 2014 during European People's Party EU meeting
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    Irish Defence Forces counter-terrorism unit at Baldonnel Casement Military Aerodrome, Dublin
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    Irish Army ARW Snipers
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  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Chief87


    Do the defence forces work with the Guards when dealing with criminal gangs? Also have the defence forces ever come into contact with the IRA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    Chief87 wrote: »
    Do the defence forces work with the Guards when dealing with criminal gangs? Also have the defence forces ever come into contact with the IRA?

    They do prison escort for serious cases along with other duties aid to the.civil power role


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    Chief87 wrote: »
    Also have the defence forces ever come into contact with the IRA?

    Private patrick Kelly, RIP, comes to mind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭An Cigire


    In November 1987 Dessie O'Hare the border fox and a another criminal.. Failed to stop at a Garda/Army VCP and the effectiveness of FN was tested...


  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭SNAKEDOC


    Maybe this question has being answered already but i dont see the RSU dealing with any issues at dublin airport as its covered by the dmr so it would fall under the operational area of the ERU would it not.

    The airport has a very clear line of escalation from uniformed gardai to detectives and armed support, and clear areas for each district to cover as entry and exit points from the airport surrounds.

    Someone said that we are not a neutral country and its being argued on other forums before but we provide personnell for peacekeeping duties we do not fight wars. Our garda force is primarily unarmed as are our airport security and it works so why should we have a huge armed pressence that is not needed. If the airport had armed officers two or three would not work a whole force of officers would be needed and its totally unnceessary. We have gardai stationed there and stations a short distance away who are always on hand to go straight to the airport if needed, armed officers in the airport is not needed.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 cavalryman3


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    Question: What gear are they wearing please?. thanks !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


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    Question: What gear are they wearing please?. thanks !

    The North Face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭mcgarrett


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    Question: What gear are they wearing please?. thanks !

    Karrimor Spartan jacket


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 cavalryman3


    mcgarrett wrote: »
    Karrimor Spartan jacket
    Is this their jacket?
    http://www.pri.uk.com/spartan-jacket.html

    Thank you.

    Also, yes I know their pants are the north face thank you eire, but I was asking about their jacket and if they are wearing anything underneath.

    thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    Is this their jacket?
    http://www.pri.uk.com/spartan-jacket.html

    Thank you.

    Also, yes I know their pants are the north face thank you eire, but I was asking about their jacket and if they are wearing anything underneath.

    thank you.

    Im always wary of these questions. Why do you want to know??


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 cavalryman3


    Hooch wrote: »
    Im always wary of these questions. Why do you want to know??
    To be honest, If I could have a wish now, it would be to GET RID OF ALL weapons on this earth, and anyone that has violence in them just gets that out of them, and if they still wish to inflict pain on others then may they be dragged out of this universe.

    now, regarding your question:
    It is very good that you may be wary of those type of questions, I get your point ... I play airsoft and that jacket looks god dam sexy as hell !!! full stop. I don't care weather Obama himself says HEY man that jacket is not cool. Well I don't care. I know it looks good and it does. It looks cozy,sexy and warm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Images of the Garda Síochána Special Detective Unit (SDU) from the media...

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    Armed detectives from the Irish Special Branch carrying out surveillance over the funeral of an IRA terrorist

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    The Garda Special Detective Unit is a section of the national Garda Crime & Security Branch (CSB), which also houses the National Surveillance Unit (NSU) and Emergency Response Unit (ERU)

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    The Special Detective Unit is Ireland's main counter-terrorism unit

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    SDU members ensuring no firearms are brandished or discharged at the funeral of a republican dissident

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    Heavily armed Garda Special Branch officers in their crowd control role


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    These are a collection of publicly available images of An Garda Síochána carrying out Close Protection (CP) duties...

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    Motorcade of President of Ireland/Uachtarán na hÉireann Mary McAleese [former]

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    President of the United States of America, Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama after disembarking from Marine One in the Republic of Ireland

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    First Lady of the United States ("FLOTUS") was protected by armed Close Protection Officers (CPO) from the Garda Special Detective Unit

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    US Ambassador to Ireland Daniel M. Rooney with a bodyguard from the Irish Special Branch (right)

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    NATO's Supreme Allied Commander (Europe), Admiral James G. Stavridis of the United States Navy was protected by the Garda Emergency Response Unit (ERU) on his tour of Ireland

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    Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Tony Blair, was protected by a close protection detail from the Garda SDU on his visit to Dublin

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    Queen Elizabeth II on her 2011 visit to the Republic of Ireland was protected by the Special Detective Unit, Emergency Response Unit, Irish Army Ranger Wing (ARW) and Directorate of Intelligence (G2)

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    Advance and defensive drivers from the Garda ERU chauffeured the Queen in an armoured Land Rover Range Rover


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


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    Taoiseach Enda Kenny was protected by a VIP Close Protection (CP) Bodyguard team from Ireland's Defence Forces special operations force, the Army Ranger Wing (ARW) on his recent visit to Irish Army troops in Beruit and southern Lebanon, June 2014.

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    The Irish ARW close protection operatives overtly carried Steyr AUG assault rifles, with a shortened barrel for Close Quarters Combat/Battle, concealed SIG Sauer semi-auto handguns and wore suits, sunglasses and earpieces. They accompanied Enda Kenny on his flight, helicopter trip, vehicle journey and formed a protective "diamond" around Mr. Kenny as he met Irish peacekeeping troops at their base in southern Lebanon.

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    Members of the Garda Special Detective Unit (SDU) and Garda Emergency Response Unit (ERU) also protect the Irish leader.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Dramatic pictures of a team of four plainclothes armed members of the elite Garda ERU chasing and apprehending a suspect at gunpoint, believed to be involved in an abduction, following a high speed chase through Dublin, after a suspected 'tiger kidnapping' hostage taking. Two shots were fired during the incident by ERU officers, no one was seriously injured or killed.

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    Unrelated;

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    Doesn't look like anyone was apprehended in those pics. And if gannons were on the scene the prisoner was long gone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    foreign wrote: »
    Doesn't look like anyone was apprehended in those pics. And if gannons were on the scene the prisoner was long gone.

    I imagine the implication is that the occupant of the car was discovered hiding in picture 2 following a search.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Armed Garda detectives, plainclothes, from Dublin City (North Central) in unmarked cars responding to a fatal shooting after a gunman went on a crime spree across north inner city Dublin
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭lighterman


    EireGun wrote: »
    Armed Garda detectives, plainclothes, from Tallaght in unmarked cars responding to a fatal shooting after a gunman went on a crime spree across north inner city Dublin

    I'm not doubting. Just a query. How would units from the South be attending the North Central and how do you know they're from Tallaght.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    lighterman wrote: »
    I'm not doubting. Just a query. How would units from the South be attending the North Central and how do you know they're from Tallaght.

    It was on the caption of one of the photographs, I'm not 100% it's entirely accurate, but I'm sure they had reason to state that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭voter1983


    I thought the uzi was withdrawn from service a couple of years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    voter1983 wrote: »
    I thought the uzi was withdrawn from service a couple of years ago

    Not entirely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    bravestar wrote: »
    Not entirely.

    Evidently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    voter1983 wrote: »
    I thought the uzi was withdrawn from service a couple of years ago

    Maybe he found it under the seat, you never know what you find under the seats of a cop car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


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    Reserve garda Ciaran McGowan, who is the son of Acting Garda Commissioner Noirin O'Sullivan, has captured a top prize in an international law enforcement photo competition.

    Ciaran (26) submitted a photo of a garda checkpoint targeting organised crime in Cork city, taken two years ago.

    The image has now won third prize in Europol's competition, which this year attracted entries from talented photographers from across Europe and beyond.

    Ciaran, whose father is Det Supt Jim McGowan, works full-time as a press photographer with the Collins agency.

    Watched by his proud parents, he and 92 others graduated as reserve force officers at the Garda College in Templemore last December.

    First prize was won by Austrian police officer Alfred Effenberger, for his photo of Alpine police training on a snowy mountainside, while runner -up was Italian police diver, Alessandro Grasso, for his shot from the School of Marshals in Rome. The three win a trip to the Netherlands, including a visit to Europol HQ.

    - Tom Brady, Irish Independent


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