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*Ahem* slight rant

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Some would argue the emergency shelters are actually better than what they had before.
    Only those trying to create an alternative reality to fit their worldview.

    Seriously, Haiti is not better off, though maybe you'd suggest the 230,000 men women and children that died, are?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Anyway guys, im not liking the way this thread is going. Nothing against anyone just i put too much time in it.

    I shall leave this thread and forum for a while to the disappoimoment of some im sure :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I cant remember you're question but if its why do I believe in God?


    I feel very blessed.

    Like how many people are poor, how many people dont have access to clean water, how many people are in bad health?

    I'm none of those things, I live a good life, it could be better but it could be a hell of a lot worse, and for this reason I'm thankful.

    Why doesnt God make everybody rich and happy so?

    Again I dont know, perhaps God left the running of the world in the hands of man and this is the result.

    Why do natural disasters happen?

    NOt all disasters are bad, also humans arent the only species on earth. When floods happen, some species prosper while others dont, it's the circle of life, and we as humans have to live as one in perfect harmony with nature.

    Also take Haiti, I remember seeing an interview and a woman said that the earthquake was like a blessing, many died but the attention and money poured into it after majorly improved the standard of living there.

    See, it's stuff like this that put's me off the religious.

    Life is good for you, so clearly God loves you and he exists. And all the poor people well, they're just being 'tested' aren't they.

    Bloody well guarantee that if the situations swapped for a while your faith would dwindle to sod all.

    You live in comfort because you were born in the right country, that is all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Pretty much everything. Do you think you'd be Catholic if you were born and raised in Saudi Arabia?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Galvasean wrote: »
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    Not funny at all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.

    The belief system which you are indoctrinated to follow is most likely defined by your geographic location. For example, if I were born in Iran, I would most likely have been raised under some branch of Islam.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    I would be into Sufism :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.
    Heard of many atheists in Afghanistan?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.

    Whichever religion rules the roost gets first dibs. For example in Ireland the schools have for a long time been run by the Roman Catholic Church who have made sure that their religion was thought as fact. Until quite recently anyone who questioned said 'facts' got the crap beaten out of them.
    Jump over to Saudi Arabia where Muslims are in charge. Kids are thought that Islam is true from the word go so they grow up to be Muslims.
    Northclare wrote: »
    Not funny at all

    Orange2 seemed to like it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭sephir0th


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Looks like atheists don't exist on that map thanks for the proof lads :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Oh dear.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Northclare wrote: »
    Looks like atheists don't exist on that map thanks for the proof lads :)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 iBeast


    I think all atheists are just grumpy wasters looking for attention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    iBeast wrote: »
    I think all atheists are just grumpy wasters looking for attention.

    Says the guy who went out of his way to go into an Atheism & Agnosticism forum to say that..

    edit: how about that Stephen Hawking guy huh? What a waster! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Barr125


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    So what you're saying is that I didnt actually use any of those words.

    What definition of God did you see to say he's 'all loving?'

    And again maybe the God you dont believe in is all those things but the God I believe in I just cant say that is true or untrue.

    Then please, define what you believe ''God'' is in your opinion so everyone here can use the correct terms. You don't think your God is all-loving, what else do think he is/is not. It'll save everyone hassle.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    And lets say God didnt exist? easy right for you, then how can you explain why earth has oxygen, and no other planet around us has? That's if you believe in other planets, maybe no other planet exists but yet you believe there are because somebody told you.

    Some things are because they are, I cant explain it, I dont know why God does these things, maybe there is no God but what harm is it doing you if you I believe in something?

    I literally banged my head against the keyboard at that. One word: Photosynthesis! You know, the thing plants do?! Just because you can't explain something, does not mean it already hasn't been.

    And of course there are other planets! I can give you a fecking telescope and you can see them for yourself, not just because a man in a lab coat told us there was. You may as well have said there's no Moon while you were at it. -.-

    I'm sorry if I'm coming off as crass, but you're just being ignorant yourself, even if by accident. If you're going to make a statement like ''Explain how oxygen on this planet.'' then have some evidence to back it up YOUR explanation, and not just ''my invisible friend did it.''
    You seem particularly overly non-religious, have you got 100% proof of no god or do you blindly believe what some scientist tells you?

    Burden of proof lies with those that make the statement, ergo ''I believe in God'' Again, you are a person that does not understand that Atheism is effectively, the default position of belief and non-belief.

    And as for ''blindly believing what some scientist tells you?'', nearly every single thing that science has provided us, can be tested by independent observers. I believe scientists when they say Gravity exists. I can't see it, touch, taste or smell it, but I CAN test it. I can pick something up and observe gravity working. And if tomorrow, a scientist came with an alternative explanation as to why things fall back to the ground and he had concrete, repeatable experiments that prove his hypothesis, then we would revise the Law of Gravity. Simples.
    Now I know it's 'cool' and 'hip' not to believe in ice cream but deep down I think you believe in ice cream and would really like some ice cream.
    I actually take a large amount of offence from this. I'm an atheist and yet I still have not told my own parents because of what I have heard from other atheists who told their families, and were disowned and do not speak to them. We don't choose to be atheists because it's ''hip'' or ''cool''. We do it because we have some ****ing common sense.

    And no, deep down, I really don't need an imaginary friend who will make all my dreams come true if I wish hard enough.

    So I'll leave you with this statement, I always finds works well: I don't believe in your God, for the same reasons you don't believe in Zeus, Apollo or Ra.

    That's my rant over! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    I am reminded of a quote by Bertrand Russell
    The problem with this world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Calibos wrote: »
    I am reminded of a quote by Bertrand Russell

    Where did you find that quote? :pac: :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Nice one lads, a map of the world with no atheists.

    Was that an own goal ?


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Northclare wrote: »
    Nice one lads, a map of the world with no atheists.

    Was that an own goal ?

    You realise that comment is still stupid? It doesn't improve with repetition.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Northclare wrote: »
    Nice one lads, a map of the world with no atheists.

    Was that an own goal ?
    Clearly we all live in Antarctica.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Cheer up its only a comment.

    I would never get emotionally attached to comments on forums as its a sign of being over codependence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Dades wrote: »
    Northclare wrote: »
    Nice one lads, a map of the world with no atheists.

    Was that an own goal ?
    Clearly we all live in Antarctica.

    LOL Come down and Join us its nice and warm down here :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Northclare wrote: »
    LOL Come down and Join us its nice and warm down here :)
    Uh, down where now? On the turtle?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    No I'm hanging onto a sunfish I hope it knows where its going.

    I seen a few pass hanging onto Parrotfish alright :)

    They keep repeating themselves ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Barr125


    Dades wrote: »
    Uh, down where now? On the turtle?

    No, think he means Hell, considering that's where we're all apparently going. Least it'll be warmer than where we are now.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Northclare wrote: »
    I seen a few pass hanging onto Parrotfish alright :)

    They keep repeating themselves ;)
    I suspect even a fish can distinguish between the Arctic and the Antarctic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Not if her world view is topsy-turvy.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Northclare wrote: »
    Nice one lads, a map of the world with no atheists.
    That's a map of world religions. Atheism is not a religion.

    /sheesh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Northclare wrote: »
    What does the country a person was born in have anything to do with their beliefs.

    Isn't it obvious?

    Funnily enough, people born here in Ireland are usually Christian, mostly Catholic. And people born in say, Israel are funnily enough, Jewish.

    I suppose if you're lucky you may meet a Muslim in Iran... oh right...

    I mean really, why even ask that question?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Why are you worried about me asking the question ?

    I think its a good idea if you question why your turning my question into your question.

    Can someone answer these questions without sarcasm or insulting comments ?


    If your into house music would you refuse to dance if the DJ spun some soulful gospel house ?

    If you like Iron Maiden, would you sing along to their songs ? or e mail them and tell them their lyrics are not politically correct ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Northclare wrote: »
    Why are you worried about me asking the question ?

    Because it's not a very smart question to ask. It has an incredibly obvious answer, which a few people have given here.

    Think about it for a moment. How much of your religious views are a direct result of being born and raised where you were? Who taught you religion? Who told you that your particular religion is the right one? How come people in predominantly Muslim countries generally don't grow up Catholic or Lutheran or Methodist? Don't you think it's interesting that the ones that DO grow up to be other than the most common religion in that country were generally raised by people of the same religion?

    The question itself isn't at all worrying. The answer not being readily apparent to you is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Maybe you should read the post above my original question.

    I know that there are different religions all over the world.

    But for you to say my question is stupid means you make a judgment without even asking why I asked the so called stupid question.

    A lot of posts from the atheists seem to mention the word stupid a lot.

    If you were wondering how one can prune a rose or graft a rose onto a root stock, would it be nice of me to laugh and say ffs are you stupid :S

    Can you tell the difference between two root cuttings from the same plant ?

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    You misunderstand.

    Good horticulture requires plenty of training and practice.

    Asking something that is obvious after a moment's thought does not. You may as well get upset at the stares you'll get from asking "What's 1+1?"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    That's the point I'm making I could ask 300 horticultural experts the same question and every answer won't be the same.

    It al depends on the angle of the cut, the time of year, the right rootstock where to get it, and the right growing conditions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Question for the OP:

    Have you carried out / or can you quote a large survey of atheists which would support your hypothesis ?

    Because, otherwise, you are generalising based on absolutely nothing.

    In my experience, it's just simply a case that they do not believe in any god/gods because they are quite logical and analytical and not because they're somehow traumatised by bad things happening in the world.

    There maybe many reasons why someone has a particular set of beliefs or none, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions without doing proper sociological research!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    And how many answers are there to 1+1, Nothclare?

    You've been given the answer by several people at this stage. Can you not be thankful that you've learned something you didn't know before?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Northclare wrote: »
    Why are you worried about me asking the question?
    Nobody was "worried" that the question was asked.

    What was silly was that having asked a good question, even if it had a fairly obvious answer which was provided politely, was that you then tried to make a a smartass comment, and so, you got a few smartass replies in response.

    As ye sow, so shall ye reap -- look on it as an expression of everybody's love for you :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Maybe your right but to some people you could be wrong.

    I could tell someone ill take them to see the Atlantic Ocean and bring them to Poulnasherry Bay.

    I could take out a map of the world and show it to someone who is illiterate and point to the pacific.

    I could be selling trout flies to a guy who knows nothing about fishing and tell him he will catch dogfish down the local river.

    It's the same with religion and spirituality if Atheists did more research on the depth of it all then they might just keep an open mind about it.


    I was an Atheist and became a believer thats my business but I know what its like to be an atheist, but do ye know what its like to believe in God ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Most of us do. Nearly all of the posters here were born in Ireland, after all.

    Then we started actually looking at the faith we were required to believe in. Most of us concluded that it was bollocks for a very large variety of reasons.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Northclare wrote: »
    Maybe your right but to some people you could be wrong.

    I could tell someone ill take them to see the Atlantic Ocean and bring them to Poulnasherry Bay.

    I could take out a map of the world and show it to someone who is illiterate and point to the pacific.

    I could be selling trout flies to a guy who knows nothing about fishing and tell him he will catch dogfish down the local river.

    It's the same with religion and spirituality if Atheists did more research on the depth of it all then they might just keep an open mind about it.


    I was an Atheist and became a believer thats my business but I know what its like to be an atheist, but do ye know what its like to believe in God ?
    You really don't have anything useful to add to this thread at all, do you?

    I suspect you like to think of your posts as being witty and challenging, when in fact you are but the latest in a long line of religious trolls who are all mouth and no ears.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joseph brand


    Northclare wrote: »
    Maybe your right but to some people you could be wrong.

    You're either right or wrong. Religion is either true or false. There's plenty of evidence for religion being a myth but none for it being true.
    Northclare wrote: »
    I could tell someone ill take them to see the Atlantic Ocean and bring them to Poulnasherry Bay.

    That's what religion does. Makes a fool out of you. But the trip doesn't end at Poulnasherry Bay.
    Northclare wrote: »
    I was an Atheist and became a believer thats my business but I know what its like to be an atheist, but do ye know what its like to believe in God ?

    Is it like believing in 'psychic Sally' and her super powers? Or John 'biggest douche in the universe' Edwards?

    Isn't it awfully convenient that religion is a belief that you must blindly accept without any 'proof'. It's probably just a coincidence that the church has a lot of power and money. god loves money. The flock needs a shepherd. "Baaaaaaaaaaa!"


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Northclare wrote: »
    do ye know what its like to believe in God ?
    I think most people know what it's like to have to make the often heroic effort required to convince oneself that some deity exists, or at least, to pretend that it does.
    Northclare wrote: »
    Maybe your right but to some people you could be wrong.
    Nothing "could" about it -- to many people we are factually wrong (and morally, intellectually and no doubt, everything else too).

    But still, at most, one side is right and even the balance of probabilities, let alone the balance of evidences, does not suggest that it's yours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Northclare


    Well if thats your opinion Dades so be it many of ye are very clever and know just about everything about nothing.

    It was a challenge for me being a believer to go into your superficial nerdy discussions.

    I might not add much to your discussion but your far too clever for me to be engaging with.

    Its true what believers say about atheists...........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    They make you uncomfortable by challenging the beliefs for which you have no evidence, or are even flat out rubbish?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Northclare wrote: »
    Well if thats your opinion Dades so be it many of ye are very clever and know just about everything about nothing.
    If I was short with you it's because I hate to see regular posters honestly engaging with people who have no inclination to follow a discussion, and simply respond in rhetoric.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Northclare wrote: »
    Well if thats your opinion Dades so be it many of ye are very clever and know just about everything about nothing.

    It was a challenge for me being a believer to go into your superficial nerdy discussions.

    I might not add much to your discussion but your far too clever for me to be engaging with.

    Its true what believers say about atheists...........

    That we're meticulous about where we place our apostrophes?


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