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Time To End Internment - Release Marian Price and Martin Corey

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    So members of the 32csm who want independence from Britain, felt the "long finger" of the law on their way back home, to Britain?

    Priceless!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    So members of the 32csm who want independence from Britain, felt the "long finger" of the law on their way back home, to Britain?

    Priceless!

    People from Scotland who travelled over for the protest. Some of them were 32CSM Scotland members.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Terrible to hear about the harrassment on the way from from the protest:
    When will this lot learn to get real and look at the facts. There is no such thing as Republican POWs. Just criminals and they deserve to be treated as criminals.

    They need to get a life and stop thinking they can change anything by supporting wannabe terrorists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Her heath is further deteriorating.
    Sinn Féin MLA Jennifer McCann has welcomed the decision to move Marian Price from Hydebank Prison to a hospital in Belfast.

    The West Belfast MLA, who is a member of the Justice Committee at the Assembly said:

    “This is a welcome move. Marian Price should of course be released as her continued imprisonment is an affront to natural justice.

    “Along with party colleagues Raymond McCartney and Sean Lynch I have pressed the Justice Minister to, in the absence of her release, move Marian Price to an outside hospital.

    “We welcome this move which will see Marian Price get the care she needs and Sinn Féin will continue to press for her immediate release.”


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    These dissidents seem very fragile, they all seem to have terminal illnesses , atleast they do when they go to jail


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    We all remember Michael Stone and his attack on the funerals of the Gibraltar 3 in Milltown cemetery.
    He was jailed for life but subsequently released on licence which was revoked by the Secretary of State after his arrest for his ' attack ' on Stormont - I recall no howls of protest from anyone when his licence was withdrawn.

    Everyone released under the Good Friday Agreement was made aware that it was release on licence . The last ' cause celebre ' on this issue was also supposedly at deaths door in much the same way the Price Sisters were when they were released , apparently suffering from severe eating disorders brought on by their hunger strikes.

    Marian Price will probably be released soon and again undergo a transformation of her health.

    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Delancey wrote: »
    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?

    Stephen rea was married to dolouris price,there divorced now afaik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Bonus_Pack


    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Bonus_Pack wrote: »
    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.
    Fully agree. She was released as an ex IRA terrorist and then she went and got involved with new IRA terrorists by holding a piece of paper which threatened to murder police officers.

    Its amazing how naive her defenders seem to think we are and how deluded they are. I hope she rots in prison.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Delancey wrote: »
    We all remember Michael Stone and his attack on the funerals of the Gibraltar 3 in Milltown cemetery.
    He was jailed for life but subsequently released on licence which was revoked by the Secretary of State after his arrest for his ' attack ' on Stormont - I recall no howls of protest from anyone when his licence was withdrawn.

    Everyone released under the Good Friday Agreement was made aware that it was release on licence . The last ' cause celebre ' on this issue was also supposedly at deaths door in much the same way the Price Sisters were when they were released , apparently suffering from severe eating disorders brought on by their hunger strikes.

    Marian Price will probably be released soon and again undergo a transformation of her health.

    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?

    Thats not exactly what happened... is it? His "attack" was real enough to warrant convictions for attempted murder as a result, as well as possession of weapons. He got 16 years.

    I dont agree with a politician having that much power re imprisoning people. SF never have either.

    Price's situation is different. She has committed no crime. Charges relating to her holding a speech (contents of which she was unaware of, Judge agreed with that) have been dropped. Also, the judiciary did not deem her act as worthy of imprisonment (when she was charged) as she was granted bail. A British politician disagreed with this and imprisoned her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Bonus_Pack wrote: »
    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.
    I got that far, and once I read that I realized that whatever followed had very little weight as you clearly dont have a good grasp of things.

    And fwiw no she was not engaged in a dirty protest (or any) but was housed alone in an empty wing. There was an interview with her in the Irish news a few months ago... surprisingly she didn't have a bad word to say about the prison guards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Leave her where she is. She broke the terms of her licence. She's probably not even sick: every time someone like her is put behind bars the claims of ill health come out.

    If she's sick, she'll get the same treatment in custody, possibly even better treatment IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    murphaph wrote: »
    Leave her where she is. She broke the terms of her licence.

    The same terms exist for all POWs who had life sentences. Her being involved in politics is no different than Martina Anderson for example. Marian did not break the law. That is the key issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    The same terms exist for all POWs who had life sentences. Her being involved in politics is no different than Martina Anderson for example. Marian did not break the law. That is the key issue.

    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA
    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.

    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA



    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.

    She was a PIRA prisoner. They were part of the POW release since their war was over. Whatever her political opinions or GFA stance now should have no bearing. There is no line in the GFA or clause in prisoner release dictating how they can vote, what rallies they attend or who they speak on behalf of.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭junder


    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA



    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.

    She was a PIRA prisoner. They were part of the POW release since their war was over. Whatever her political opinions or GFA stance now should have no bearing. There is no line in the GFA or clause in prisoner release dictating how they can vote, what rallies they attend or who they speak on behalf of.

    Erm the quote from the gfa from the post before yours kind of does



    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    junder wrote: »
    Erm the quote from the gfa from the post before yours kind of does



    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.

    She did benefit from the agreement because she was not affiliated to an organisation maintaining a ceasefire.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    She did benefit from the agreement because she was not affiliated to an organisation maintaining a ceasefire.

    and now she doesn't because she is. The situation was kept under review. Funny that Shinners say they accept the GFA but then defend prisoners who couldnt move on and reject violence. Funny that they crow about politicians being involved in incarcerating people (removing their licence) when they had no problems with politicians releasing people (on licence).

    The situation in this regard will be kept under review. You* accepted the GFA. If this was too ambiguous for you then you should have objected at the time.

    *By you I mean republicans - those calling for the release of a woman who associates with terroristd and those calling this internment. What's her excuse, she didn't know what was written on the piece of paper? Did she also not know where she was? Did she just take a wrong turn on the dairy isle at tesco and end up as a ring leader at a dissident rally? Poor dear.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    and now she doesn't because she is. The situation was kept under review. Funny that Shinners say they accept the GFA but then defend prisoners who couldnt move on and reject violence. Funny that they crow about politicians being involved in incarcerating people (removing their licence) when they had no problems with politicians releasing people (on licence).

    The situation in this regard will be kept under review. You* accepted the GFA. If this was too ambiguous for you then you should have objected at the time.

    *By you I mean republicans - those calling for the release of a woman who associates with terroristd and those calling this internment. What's her excuse, she didn't know what was written on the piece of paper? Did she also not know where she was? Did she just take a wrong turn on the dairy isle at tesco and end up as a ring leader at a dissident rally? Poor dear.

    There is no law against attending a dissident republican rally. A judge already accepted that she could not have known what was on the paper. That was thrown out of court and before she was released they decided to hold her for Massareene... Colin Duffy saga all over again.

    If they go back to ignoring all legal procedures we all know where things are headed. History set a clear precedent for that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    There is no law against attending a dissident republican rally.

    So? You've already been asked why you think she had to break a law. The benefits of early release were contingent on the affiliations of the prisoners. It said that the situation in that regard would be kept under review. Her presence at the rally while not breaking any laws established an affiliation with dissidents - that is enough to have her licence revoked. She really should've been more careful about who she chose to hang around with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    So? You've already been asked why you think she had to break a law. The benefits of early release were contingent on the affiliations of the prisoners. It said that the situation in that regard would be kept under review. Her presence at the rally while not breaking any laws established an affiliation with dissidents - that is enough to have her licence revoked. She really should've been more careful about who she chose to hang around with.
    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are
    not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit
    from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under
    review.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/07_12_04_ni_agreement_03.pdf

    In this context under review means that when the following:
    Four paramilitary groups, the Continuity IRA, the Real IRA, the Red Hand Defenders and the Orange Volunteers, are not eligible for the prisoner release scheme because they were not on ceasefire at the time of the Agreement.
    are on ceasefire their situation will be reviewed and release considered.

    It does not mean that a former PIRA prisoner can be sent back to prison should they drop support for SF strategy.
    There were a few anomalies, several prisoners under the PIRA prisoner umbrella were not included in the original agreement for several reasons. To clear this up they were granted royal pardons and released that way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    She was released on licence. Although she received an RPM this is related to her 20 year sentence and not the life sentences. It makes no sense why it would relate to all her convictions. Media stories and private communications at the time of her release make it quite clear it was conditional on her behaviour
    The panel found that Paterson’s view was correct, that while the balance of Price’s 20-year sentence was remitted, her release from the life sentences was conditional on future behaviour. They cite a letter dated April 30th, 1980 – the day Price was released – from the private secretary to the Secretary of State to the private secretary to the Queen: “Her (McGlinchey’s) release involves release from the life sentence which means that she will always remain liable to be recalled to prison if her behaviour justifies this step.”

    The commissioners supported this view with a quote from an Irish Times news story on May 1st, 1980: “The official announcement explained that the release was ‘on licence’, meaning that Price could be recalled at any time.” The panel goes on to note, however, that the Royal Prerogative of Mercy was issued “sometime very shortly after her release . . . although the precise date is uncertain.”


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA



    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.
    Agree. That is all there should be to it. She decided to get involved with IRA terrorists and hold a piece of paper which threatened to kill police officers. What does that and her defenders not understand?

    How can anyone possibly defend such thuggish behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Agree. That is all there should be to it. She decided to get involved with IRA terrorists and hold a piece of paper which threatened to kill police officers. What does that and her defenders not understand?

    How can anyone possibly defend such thuggish behaviour.
    Totally and absolutley agree, she is on a life licience, she had her chance, she should be kept in now, in her case life must mean life.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    Agree. That is all there should be to it. She decided to get involved with IRA terrorists and hold a piece of paper which threatened to kill police officers. What does that and her defenders not understand?

    How can anyone possibly defend such thuggish behaviour.

    And she wasn't just a naive passerby asked to help out by holding the paper on the windy day as she took a stroll through the cemetery. She's secretary of the 32csm, the 'political' wing of RIRA - she quite surely agrees with the sentiment of the speech.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    There is no law against attending a dissident republican rally. A judge already accepted that she could not have known what was on the paper. That was thrown out of court and before she was released they decided to hold her for Massareene... Colin Duffy saga all over again.

    If they go back to ignoring all legal procedures we all know where things are headed. History set a clear precedent for that.

    Out of curiosity if a convicted Loyalist terrorist continually associated with paramilitary groups would you find it ok that they're still walking the streets?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    RMD wrote: »
    Out of curiosity if a convicted Loyalist terrorist continually associated with paramilitary groups would you find it ok that they're still walking the streets?

    Right now there are paramilitary flags up in many town centres that the police are afraid to touch. If they did pull down someone from a ladder and find that he was on license so sent him back to prison for another few years that would be wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    RMD wrote: »
    Out of curiosity if a convicted Loyalist terrorist continually associated with paramilitary groups would you find it ok that they're still walking the streets?
    What do you mean by associate?

    If there is enough evidence to warrant proceedings over alleged membership then they can be dealt with that way.

    If however they have committed no crimes then they should be left alone.

    Politicians should not have the power to imprison people on a whim, no matter who they are.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 141 ✭✭Patrick Cleburne


    What do you mean by associate?

    If there is enough evidence to warrant proceedings over alleged membership then they can be dealt with that way.

    If however they have committed no crimes then they should be left alone.

    Politicians should not have the power to imprison people on a whim, no matter who they are.
    Are you serious?

    She was holding a piece of paper which was read out by a IRA terrorist threatening to murder police officers. Marian Price got out of bed that morning and KNEW she was going to go and meet IRA terrorists talking about using terror.

    She knew all this and she got caught out. Stop defending it and just accept it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    She went to a commemoration and held a sheet.

    She committed no crime and the charges were dismissed.

    You seem to think that attending commemorations like that one warrants being jailed... thats internment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    She went to a commemoration and held a sheet.

    She committed no crime and the charges were dismissed.

    You seem to think that attending commemorations like that one warrants being jailed... thats internment

    If you're released on license for another crime you were committed of and told not to hold a sheet at a commemoration, then she does warrant being jailed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Good to hear that the campaign is gathering momentum, I understand Dublin City Council unanimously supported a motion calling for her release a few days ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Good to hear that the campaign is gathering momentum, I understand Dublin City Council unanimously supported a motion calling for her release a few days ago.

    Fair play to them. Its the support coming from other parties that will bring down internment this time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    She went to a commemoration and held a sheet.

    She committed no crime and the charges were dismissed.

    You seem to think that attending commemorations like that one warrants being jailed... thats internment

    Did she think the guy was wearing a mask to hid his bad acne? Really, i think people who want her out are eager for her to get her-self back into the murder business again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    getzls wrote: »
    Did she think the guy was wearing a mask to hid his bad acne? Really, i think people who want her out are eager for her to get her-self back into the murder business again.
    If thats what you "think" maybe you shouldn't share your thoughts, unless you want to embarrass yourself that is.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 806 ✭✭✭getzls


    If thats what you "think" maybe you shouldn't share your thoughts, unless you want to embarrass yourself that is.

    Can't see any other real reason. She was a terrorist and still is imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    getzls wrote: »
    Can't see any other real reason. She was a terrorist and still is imo.
    Willful blindness I see...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Willful blindness I see...

    So what is she then? A convicted terrorist released on license who still associates with dissident Republican terrorists sounds quite right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    RMD wrote: »
    So what is she then? A convicted terrorist released on license who still associates with dissident Republican terrorists sounds quite right.
    Everyone who wants her released supports the RIRA etc you say?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    Everyone who wants her released supports the RIRA etc you say?

    Didn't say anything of the sort, care to point out where I did? I said she's a convicted terrorist who still associates with dissident Republican terrorists as demonstrated by the Easter commemoration.

    I asked you what is she since you claim stating she was and still currently is a terrorist is "wilful blindness". How in anyway does that make a blanket claim of all her release supporters being RIRA supporters also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Bonus_Pack


    Good to hear that the campaign is gathering momentum, I understand Dublin City Council unanimously supported a motion calling for her release a few days ago.

    What? f that's true, then Dublin City Council are an absolute disgrace. How could they call for the release of a known terrorist who shows no remorse whatsoever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Bonus_Pack wrote: »
    What? f that's true, then Dublin City Council are an absolute disgrace. How could they call for the release of a known terrorist who shows no remorse whatsoever.
    That Dublin City Council calls for the release of Marian Price on health and humanitarian grounds and requests an explanation for the incarceration of Marian Price from the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for Justice in Northern Ireland and First and Deputy First Ministers in Northern Ireland.
    That was the motion, supported by all parties.

    Well you see, you dont have to agree with someones politics to see that they are suffering an injustice... only people you agree with should have due process and justice? Hardly.

    Well done to Dublin City Council, I hope other councils pass similar motions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    I should point out that seen as DCC passed it it HAS to be debated/voted on by all CCs in the 26.. at least that's my understanding


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    That Dublin City Council calls for the release of Marian Price on health and humanitarian grounds and requests an explanation for the incarceration of Marian Price from the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for Justice in Northern Ireland and First and Deputy First Ministers in Northern Ireland

    Her behaviour in prison is likely causing her ill-health.

    As for an explanation, please don't bother the minister with such rubbish

    She was knowingly associating with dissident terrorists who threatened the people of this island, hence she broke the terms of her licence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Her behaviour in prison is likely causing her ill-health.

    As for an explanation, please don't bother the minister with such rubbish

    She was knowingly associating with dissident terrorists who threatened the people of this island, hence she broke the terms of her licence.
    What do you mean by her behavior in prison is causing her ill health?

    She isn't on protest or anything (as I stated already) and has behaved excellently by all accounts. Besides, she is in hospital now.

    I think it likely that the prison conditions, being isolated in what essentially was solitary confinement (only female in a male prison, alone on the wing) coupled with a lack of adequate medical attention exasperated her many underlying medical conditions.

    You seem quite flustered that DCC have called for her release... only a matter of time now I feel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Bonus_Pack


    That was the motion, supported by all parties.

    Well you see, you dont have to agree with someones politics to see that they are suffering an injustice... only people you agree with should have due process and justice? Hardly.

    Well done to Dublin City Council, I hope other councils pass similar motions.


    I understand your POV to a certain extent but it is not a simple as that. If it were a citizen of the republic who were incarcerated for a non-terrorism related crime I would understand but in this case the person is a convicted terrorist incarcerated and for the southern government to be calling for her release, for what ever reason, will be seen by many as defacto support for Republicanism. I certainly see it that way.

    Plus, basically every left wing nutjob organisation calling for her release is more or less a supporter of republicans.

    I detest her, her kind and her cause.

    As for her health, it is likely the cause of her behaviour. I have been told that she is smearing shíte and menstrual blood on the walls. Thats bound to cause health issues. This sort of behaviour (and the 1981 Bobby Sands et al. episode) plays right into the hands of loyalists who wish to brand ethnic Irish people as barbarous uncivilised savages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    What do you mean by her behavior in prison is causing her ill health?

    She isn't on protest or anything (as I stated already) and has behaved excellently by all accounts. Besides, she is in hospital now.

    I think it likely that the prison conditions, being isolated in what essentially was solitary confinement (only female in a male prison, alone on the wing) coupled with a lack of adequate medical attention exasperated her many underlying medical conditions.

    Didn't she refuse to be moved to a female prison? So her behaviour. Can you comment on her personal hygeine, her eating behaviour, her exercise regime, her reading and keeping her mind active? There are lots of ways you can let yourself go without explicitly being on a protest. What exactly is her medical condition? Is it an actual biological illness/condition?
    You seem quite flustered that DCC have called for her release... only a matter of time now I feel.

    DCC shouldn't support terrorists or terrorist sympathisers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    She suffered greatly while she was in prison in England, on hungerstrike... it has had lasting effects


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭Laminations


    She suffered greatly while she was in prison in England, on hungerstrike... it has had lasting effects

    Does she have an actual biological medical condition? And it was her that refused to be moved to a female prison
    past moves made on medical grounds have proved detrimental to, and even exacerbated, Marian's complex medical conditions.

    source

    Are they so complex they don't have a name?


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