Formula 1 2014: Round 15 - Japanese Grand Prix (NO FOOTAGE OF THE CRASH ALLOWED)

dloob · 05-10-2014 9:52am

I suppose it's easy in hindsight to say a safety car should have gone out right away, but if it had gone out there would probably have been no end of complaining about health and safety gone mad.

finnharpsboy · 05-10-2014 9:54am

Ted looks quite shaken on sky, i wonder does he know something and not saying just yet?

Myrddin · 05-10-2014 9:54am

Deleted User wrote: »

The interviews with the drivers looks like the know something.

I had the same thought. Hope he's ok.

05-10-2014 9:55am

dloob wrote: »

I suppose it's easy in hindsight to say a safety car should have gone out right away, but if it had gone out there would probably have been no end of complaining about health and safety gone mad.

Honestly if they're going to be using those vehicles then a Safety Car probably is necessary.

Andrew76 · 05-10-2014 9:57am

Ghost Train wrote: »

BBC decided not show Sutil interview just there

Guess they want to be careful whats said live

He didn't give any details on the Sky interview. Looked very subdued, understandably. Ted said the medical helicopter did take off just not with Jules in it, possibly because local hospital might not have helipad. Fingers crossed for him.

donspeekinglesh · 05-10-2014 9:57am

did the conditions get worse after the red flag? Surely if the helicopter couldn't fly the cars shouldn't have been running.

05-10-2014 9:57am

finnharpsboy wrote: »

Ted looks quite shaken on sky, i wonder does he know something and not saying just yet?

I'd imagine there's information they don't want to repeat on-air. I can't imagine any initial information or reactions from the scene are going to be great news.

losthorizon · 05-10-2014 9:58am

I knew it wasnt Sutil from the start as there seemed to be a shot of him sitting by the side of the road with his head in his hands looking disconsolate.

Very soon after a caption with Bianchi came up and they switched to the Marussia garage. Surprised the BBC never copped on to this.

Since Sennas death there have been no deaths or major injuries in actual racing but there has been in recovery situations in testing and races and among marshals and its perfectly clear this is a situation that the FIA has to look at.

While the actual racing itself is as safe (f thats the correct term) as it will ever be recovery situations are not. Indeed we had a marshal killed at the Canadian GP two years ago.

I really hope Jules is OK.

05-10-2014 9:58am

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

did the conditions get worse after the red flag? Surely if the helicopter couldn't fly the cars shouldn't have been running.

Apparently it was a choice to send him by road rather than air.

losthorizon · 05-10-2014 10:00am

Andrew76 wrote: »

He didn't give any details on the Sky interview. Looked very subdued, understandably. Ted said the medical helicopter did take off just not with Jules in it, possibly because local hospital might not have helipad. Fingers crossed for him.

Heard on the radio that the Helicopter could take off but its too foggy at a higher altitude for it to fly.

frostie500 · 05-10-2014 10:00am

finnharpsboy wrote: »

Ted looks quite shaken on sky, i wonder does he know something and not saying just yet?

I doubt it. I'll walk you all through the process of finding out news for an injured driver/rider at a race.
Inside the press box there is almost as much speculation as we have on forums, probably more. When a rider/driver gets taken to the medical centre there is always speculation as we all wait for news. In most instances there will be journalists standing at the centre waiting for offical news and we do not go into the medical centre (journalists are allowed into the centre for medical attention but are not welcome in other circumstances). We stand at the front and wait for news, if a driver/rider is taken to hospital that is all that the journalist knows.
The impact of seeing family and team members struggle to deal with the situation can be hugely upsetting and can lead to your imagination running wild. At the moment all we know is that Jules is going to hospital at the moment and the reaction of the drivers is the same as journalists. They also don't know what state Jules is in and are reacting to the news as they've received it from their teams.
We can all speculate about what happened and the condition of Jules but honestly at this time no-one knows anything other than he is on his way to hospital

smellslikeshoes · 05-10-2014 10:00am

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

did the conditions get worse after the red flag? Surely if the helicopter couldn't fly the cars shouldn't have been running.

Not sure if was said on BBC but on sky they said that the helicopter could fly so it might have been medical reason they went by road.

05-10-2014 10:02am

losthorizon wrote: »

I knew it wasnt Sutil from the start as there seemed to be a shot of him sitting by the side of the road with his head in his hands looking disconsolate.

Very soon after a caption with Bianchi came up and they switched to the Marussia garage. Surprised the BBC never copped on to this.

I was confused when that caption came up and I noticed Sutil running from the safety car which was more confusing.

Since Sennas death there have been no deaths or major injuries in actual racing but there has been in recovery situations in testing and races and among marshals and its perfectly clear this is a situation that the FIA has to look at.

While the actual racing itself is as safe (f thats the correct term) as it will ever be recovery situations are not. Indeed we had a marshal killed at the Canadian GP two years ago.

I really hope Jules is OK.

For all the talk of standardisation and improvement of safety and procedures over the years there's still a lot left in the hands of the tracks. Remember the lorry on-track in Korea? The standard and speed of recovery of vehicles also varies a lot and that's where the major safety issues have been recently. All the track "improvements" they want to push through won't stop poor procedures or the use of inappropriate equipment causing hazards.

05-10-2014 10:03am

frostie500 wrote: »

I doubt it. I'll walk you all through the process of finding out news for an injured driver/rider at a race.
Inside the press box there is almost as much speculation as we have on forums, probably more. When a rider/driver gets taken to the medical centre there is always speculation as we all wait for news. In most instances there will be journalists standing at the centre waiting for offical news and we do not go into the medical centre (journalists are allowed into the centre for medical attention but are not welcome in other circumstances). We stand at the front and wait for news, if a driver/rider is taken to hospital that is all that the journalist knows.
The impact of seeing family and team members struggle to deal with the situation can be hugely upsetting and can lead to your imagination running wild. At the moment all we know is that Jules is going to hospital at the moment and the reaction of the drivers is the same as journalists. They also don't know what state Jules is in and are reacting to the news as they've received it from their teams.
We can all speculate about what happened and the condition of Jules but honestly at this time no-one knows anything other than he is on his way to hospital

Would there be access to the radios used by the medical teams and the like?

flazio · 05-10-2014 10:04am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would there be access to the radios used by the medical teams and the like?

Race control radios are on a closed network and are not broadcast.

counterlock · 05-10-2014 10:05am

Just saw another pic where the left sidepod and mirror are missing. The area above the steering wheel is marked with yellow paint.

frostie500 · 05-10-2014 10:06am

Deleted User wrote: »

Would there be access to the radios used by the medical teams and the like?

I doubt it. If the radio is on an encrypted channel they'd have access otherwise you'd need to be given the access code

Shane732 · 05-10-2014 10:08am

counterlock wrote: »

Just saw another pic where the left sidepod and mirror are missing. The area above the steering wheel is marked with yellow paint.

Have they release footage of the accident?

counterlock · 05-10-2014 10:10am

Shane732 wrote: »

Have they release footage of the accident?

I haven't seen any, just some pictures on twitter.

Shane732 · 05-10-2014 10:13am

counterlock wrote: »

I haven't seen any, just some pictures on twitter.

Just seen some pictures with the wheels of the car caught under the JCB.

finnharpsboy · 05-10-2014 10:14am

No photos or videos.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:16am

Images show that the right rear of the car impacted the JCB first, with more damage sustained by both the roll hoop and the front bulkhead, all from the left hand side. Jules was taken to Mie University hospital, which is less than 10 miles from the circuit.

dloob · 05-10-2014 10:25am

Just saw an image there from the daily mail with pretty much the entire engine cover and air box ripped off.

05-10-2014 10:25am

No photos or videos please.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:30am

Mika Salo, the race steward, has reportedly told Finnish media that Jules suffered a head injury on collision with the recovery vehicle. The FIA have reviewed the footage.

Zcott · 05-10-2014 10:30am

Seeing suggestions that they didn't take the helicopter because of pressure and altitude issues with head injuries.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:33am

Zcott wrote: »

Seeing suggestions that they didn't take the helicopter because of pressure and altitude issues with head injuries.

I asked Gary Hartstein (former F1 doctor) that, he says effect would be negligible at best.

frostie500 · 05-10-2014 10:37am

_rebelkid wrote: »

I asked Gary Hartstein (former F1 doctor) that, he says effect would be negligible at best.

I have to say I have very little time for Gary on twitter. He did a very important job in F1, no doubt, but throughout Schumacher's injury and recovery Hartstein was consistently peddling out tweets that had no substance other than to make fans worry about the condition of Schumacher. He can say that he is lookng at things from a medical perspective but he has no information on what the condition of the patient is. Today with Bianchi he has started to do the same thing again and it sets fans into a panic.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:42am

Maldonado has been given a 20 second penalty for speeding in the pit lane.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:42am

frostie500 wrote: »

I have to say I have very little time for Gary on twitter. He did a very important job in F1, no doubt, but throughout Schumacher's injury and recovery Hartstein was consistently peddling out tweets that had no substance other than to make fans worry about the condition of Schumacher. He can say that he is lookng at things from a medical perspective but he has no information on what the condition of the patient is. Today with Bianchi he has started to do the same thing again and it sets fans into a panic.

He does sometimes blur the line between what is procedural and what is speculative. But his knowledge on procedures is quite useful.

frostie500 · 05-10-2014 10:45am

_rebelkid wrote: »

He does sometimes blur the line between what is procedural and what is speculative. But his knowledge on procedures is quite useful.

No doubt, I find his medical insight interesting but it's very difficult not to read his posts on Schumacher and now Bianchi and think the worst. It's obviously a very fine line to thread between the two but I feel that he adds too much to speculation

Ghost Train · 05-10-2014 10:48am

Looking back at race, it did show the marshals immediately put their hands up calling for medical attention. Was a slight delay then before safety car then called out

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 10:52am

#ForzaJules is the second Top Trend Worldwide on Twitter.

Myrddin · 05-10-2014 10:55am

frostie500 wrote: »

I have to say I have very little time for Gary on twitter. He did a very important job in F1, no doubt, but throughout Schumacher's injury and recovery Hartstein was consistently peddling out tweets that had no substance other than to make fans worry about the condition of Schumacher. He can say that he is lookng at things from a medical perspective but he has no information on what the condition of the patient is. Today with Bianchi he has started to do the same thing again and it sets fans into a panic.

He certainly doesn't dress things up. But in the same respect, for all intents & purposes he is an expert on formula one medical treatment & procedures, & in the end, he wasn't far wrong about Schumacher's prognosis either, certainly as far as we can tell. I think a lot of what he says is perceived as scare mongering etc, and it is kind of detached/from a professional perspective. It is more than someone just throwing guess etc out there though.

Larbre34 · 05-10-2014 11:01am

Its incredible the parallels with the de Villota incident, but of course it should never happen in controlled circuit scenario.

I think its likely we are about to hear of the first fatality in F1 for 20 years and probably the immediate closure of the Marussia team. Sponsors will run away.

When you look at the outcomes of Maria and in other circumstances Schumacher, the best you can hope for is that Bianchi knew nothing about it.

losthorizon · 05-10-2014 11:16am

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its incredible the parallels with the de Villota incident, but of course it should never happen in controlled circuit scenario.

I think its likely we are about to hear of the first fatality in F1 for 20 years and probably the immediate closure of the Marussia team. Sponsors will run away.

When you look at the outcomes of Maria and in other circumstances Schumacher, the best you can hope for is that Bianchi knew nothing about it.

Its actually the fourth if thats the case and all have involved marshaling situations.

The last three were marshals and dont feature on the radar so much but every one is a human life and of equal value. Those stupid JCBs, trucks and recovery vehicles need to be kept off track.

Remember someone hitting the opened door of a safety car at one stage - cant remember who a few years ago.

counterlock · 05-10-2014 11:25am

I remember Schumacher coming very close to hitting one of the recovery vehicles in Brazil. There has need a lot of near misses over the last few years.

bbability · 05-10-2014 11:30am

Hindsight is a great thing. Just recap the race from Lap 39. Conditions had become worse, rain was falling heavier, visability had dropped, cars were beginning to slip and slide on the inter's. It was plain obvious that those cars should have been on full wets when Magnussen changed but the teams and race engineers make those decisions along with the drivers. The second point I totally agree with, absoultely no way should a JCB have entered the track without the safety car been deployed however we don't fully know the circumstances surrounding the crash as of yet. The main focus now is the driver making a recovery and perhaps lessons learned. I do hope he's ok.

donspeekinglesh · 05-10-2014 11:45am

losthorizon wrote:

Remember someone hitting the opened door of a safety car at one stage - cant remember who a few years ago.

Nick Heidfeld, in Brazil, either 2001, or 2002 I think.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 11:49am

French Media have apparently spoken to Bianchi's Father, who says Jules suffered severe had trauma, and is being operated on. He remains in critical condition.

Ghost Train · 05-10-2014 11:51am

It is nearly always something Martin Brundle comments on, the way he hates seeing the recovery trucks on track

AMKC · 05-10-2014 11:51am

losthorizon wrote: »

I knew it wasnt Sutil from the start as there seemed to be a shot of him sitting by the side of the road with his head in his hands looking disconsolate.

Very soon after a caption with Bianchi came up and they switched to the Marussia garage. Surprised the BBC never copped on to this.

Ye me too altough I think David Coulthard had a fair idea when the medical car was called that here must have been something else going on as he had a fair idea that Adrian Sutil was not that badly injured being a former F1 driver himself and knowing how safe modern F1 cars are.

Since Sennas death there have been no deaths or major injuries in actual racing but there has been in recovery situations in testing and races and among marshals and its perfectly clear this is a situation that the FIA has to look at.

What about Felipe Massa,s crash in 2009 at Hungary that was very serious it knocked him unconcise and he ended up missing half a season over it.

While the actual racing itself is as safe (f thats the correct term) as it will ever be recovery situations are not. Indeed we had a marshal killed at the Canadian GP two years ago.

I really hope Jules is OK.

I also really hope that Jules is OK and makes a full recovery.

dloob · 05-10-2014 11:55am

Ghost Train wrote: »

It is nearly always something Martin Brundle comments on, the way he hates seeing the recovery trucks on track

He almost hit one at that very corner, instead he hit a marshal beside it who got a broken leg.

PukkaStukka · 05-10-2014 12:01pm

My initial reaction upon Sutil's crash was that it would cause an immediate safety car in the belief they wouldn't otherwise try to remove his car at such a notoriously difficult and risky location. Why didn't they do that?

I just hope Jules will be ok.

acquiescefc · 05-10-2014 12:11pm

Didn't know about bianchi, just got back to hotel myself sopping wet.

On the jcb-ers, they were trying to move a Porsche in the support race at turn 2 and making a right arse of it. Took almost two or 3 minutes to get it behind the barrier.

Hope he's ok anyway, was a great race. Heavens opened just at the start, thought they were never going to go green. Not fun being sopping wet and staring at pace car lights wishing them to go out.

Hamiltons pass was great, and the red bulls were actually race-y. Next time I go I'll bring a radio, didn't have a scooby as to what was happening at some points.

Cool_CM · 05-10-2014 12:21pm

Sky F1 aren't even showing the highlights that were supposed to be on now.

_rebelkid · 05-10-2014 12:21pm

FIA statement:

"The CT scan shows Bianchi has suffered a severe head injury and undergoing surgery. He will then be moved to intensive care"

losthorizon · 05-10-2014 12:22pm

There is going to be another statement soon.

Edit: that was the statement above.

zombieHanalei · 05-10-2014 12:23pm

Link?

Peanut Butter Jelly · 05-10-2014 12:26pm

FIA confirm Jules is being operated on following a head injury.

Formula 1 2014: Round 15 - Japanese Grand Prix (NO FOOTAGE OF THE CRASH ALLOWED)

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